[Rule] The minimum draining time for a map must be 1 minute

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Yauxo

Granger wrote:

I disgree, even with the new proposal of limiting to 1 minute if the song is 1 minute or longer.

If you want to stop people from excessively cutting songs out of lazyness simply forbid that or, better, limit how much of a song you're allowed to cut. Something like that:

The final drain time of a song must be at least 85% of the full version song.
Wording it like this would disallow TV-Sizes and "short ver." songs completely.
Most Animu TV Size songs have a longer, 3+ minute version, so that would throw things off. TV Size length cant reach these 85% of the 3+ minutes at all.

Really though, just disallow very obvious cuts around 1 minute but allow natually short songs with at least 30 seconds. Noone will be hurt.
Cloudchaser
Agreed in some way with baraatje123's point but I'm giving reference to those people who cut the song from 4 mins to 1 min. Anyway, I'd approve if the song is extremely short and it's able to being looped like your example.

I don't know if you get my idea.
Mercurial

Yauxo wrote:

Wording it like this would disallow TV-Sizes and "short ver." songs completely.
Anime songs (TVSize) are official so there's nothing against them.
UndeadCapulet

Mercurial wrote:

Yauxo wrote:

Wording it like this would disallow TV-Sizes and "short ver." songs completely.
Anime songs (TVSize) are official so there's nothing against them.
The wording says "full version song" so technically it does disallow TV Sizes, since those aren't the "full version". Changing it to "official release" would solve the issue, more or less.
Mercurial

UndeadCapulet wrote:

The wording says "full version song" so technically it does disallow TV Sizes, since those aren't the "full version". Changing it to "official release" would solve the issue, more or less.
Unless you don't map 15/20 seconds of your selected song, then there's nothing against it.
pkhg

monstrata wrote:

Rule: The minimum draining (play) time for a map must be 30 seconds.
Guideline: If the potential drain time for a song is longer than 1 minute, the minimum draining (play) time for the map must be 1 minute.
this
Wafu

monstrata wrote:

Rule: The minimum draining (play) time for a map must be 30 seconds.
Guideline: If the potential drain time for a song is longer than 1 minute, the minimum draining (play) time for the map must be 1 minute.
But, why do we need to make 2 things, just make a rule that is providing an exception, potential also is not the right word imo, that would cause people asking whether they can have song less than minute or not. Potential could mean remix, lowered BPM or loop.

The minimum draining time for a map must be 30 seconds. If original version of the song is longer than 1 minute, the minimum draining time for the map must be 1 minute with an exception of official cuts.
Official cuts = i.e. TV Size. Short Ver. provided by artist
Snaggletooth

Wafu wrote:

monstrata wrote:

Rule: The minimum draining (play) time for a map must be 30 seconds.
Guideline: If the potential drain time for a song is longer than 1 minute, the minimum draining (play) time for the map must be 1 minute.
But, why do we need to make 2 things, just make a rule that is providing an exception, potential also is not the right word imo, that would cause people asking whether they can have song less than minute or not. Potential could mean remix, lowered BPM or loop.

The minimum draining time for a map must be 30 seconds. If original version of the song is longer than 1 minute, the minimum draining time for the map must be 1 minute with an exception of official cuts.
Official cuts = i.e. TV Size. Short Ver. provided by artist
but then we'd still have the issue of actual full length songs that are just above one minute but cant achive 1 minute full drain time. Thats why I'm saying, this should only apply to cuts made by the mapper.
Wafu
It applies only to cuts made by mapper. "with an exception of official cuts"
Mercurial

Wafu wrote:

It applies only to cuts made by mapper. "with an exception of official cuts"
Finally someone gets it.
Maeglwn

Mercurial wrote:

Wafu wrote:

It applies only to cuts made by mapper. "with an exception of official cuts"
Finally someone gets it.
this, jesus :P was really surprised more people didn't understand this
quaternary
I don't get how someone can look at that poll and conclude that 60s or less maps are everyone's least favorite and they should be unranked. By that logic, we should also be unranking anything over 6 minutes because they are also less popular than 2minute/3minute songs. While we're at it, let's make only anime opening theme songs rankable, other genres are clearly less popular. Oh, and Hard, Insane, or Extra diffs are the most popular, so Easy and Normal should be unranked. As well as modes other than Standard.

You wouldn't ask "what is your favorite osu! mode", and then when the result is Standard, unrank Taiko, CTB, and Mania, right? That's just idiotic. I don't see how this poll is any different.
Snaggletooth

Wafu wrote:

It applies only to cuts made by mapper. "with an exception of official cuts"
I am not talking about official cuts. And if you want to include short songs, that I brought up (example: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/301072),
which are only barely over a minute, then you should clarify the wording to prevent confusion
and future conflicts.

How about:

The minimum draining (play) time for a map must be 30 seconds. If the song was custom cut by the mapper, the minimum draining (play) time must exceed 1 minute. This is to prevent mappers from excessively and unreasonably cut songs and preventing a full experience, while
still allowing the option to shorten songs that have an overly repetitive beat/tune to prevent boredom while playing and mapping.
Mercurial

Snaggletooth wrote:

How about:

The minimum draining (play) time for a map must be 30 seconds. If the song was custom cut by the mapper, the minimum draining (play) time must exceed 1 minute. This is to prevent mappers from excessively and unreasonably cut songs and preventing a full experience, while
still allowing the option to shorten songs that have an overly repetitive beat/tune to prevent boredom while playing and mapping.
Yes and no.

Yes for what you said.

No for "Yeah, I've got this sweet song I do want to map but I don't to spend much time on it. Uhm, great idea! What about cutting off this 2:15 song to 1 minute or so? It's perfect!"

I'm okay with the "85% of the song mapped" option.

tuddster wrote:

I don't get how someone can look at that poll and conclude that 60s or less maps are everyone's least favorite and they should be unranked.
"Hur dur, I hate short maps because they bring nothing to the game because Muh opinions > your opinions".

That kind of people.
Wafu

Snaggletooth wrote:

The minimum draining (play) time for a map must be 30 seconds. If the song was custom cut by the mapper, the minimum draining (play) time must exceed 1 minute. This is to prevent mappers from excessively and unreasonably cut songs and preventing a full experience, while
still allowing the option to shorten songs that have an overly repetitive beat/tune to prevent boredom while playing and mapping.
This is almost the same thing I said, just longer and more complicated because it allows another exception.

If the cut was officially used somewhere, you are allowed to use it under 1 minute - That means any cut which were done by mapper or other person (this only talks about mapper, which is pretty questionable and there would soon be people making soundcloud, cutting it and uploading it as some another artist with "no, I did not cut it, it is some other person's cut".

The minimum draining time for a map must be 30 seconds. If original version of the song is longer than 1 minute, the minimum draining time for the map must be 1 minute with an exception of official cuts.
Was covering this as well. Official cut = exactly the same song you are mapping, but shortened by artist or someone else to use it in official source. This still allows you to cut maps on yourself if it will be longer than 1 minute. If there is a problem for someone to understand that it is equal to your wording, just simpler, the problem is on the other side, this is as obvious as it just could be.

Nevertheless mapping TV Size versions and so on is a bit lazy, but might have reasons - Including video, thus presenting the anime a little, but cutting them manually is just lazy and I did never see a reason to cut it unless there were really unmappable parts.
TheLukay
I don't think this rule makes any sense.
There weren't big complaints over the last years, so why now.
There was a lot said already so I don't have really anything to add, but I just think this doesn't feel right.
I enjoy every lenght of maps. Although I like long maps over 5 minutes the most, the short ones are still fun.
And that's what this game is about, right?
Liiraye

Mercurial wrote:

Snaggletooth wrote:

How about:

The minimum draining (play) time for a map must be 30 seconds. If the song was custom cut by the mapper, the minimum draining (play) time must exceed 1 minute. This is to prevent mappers from excessively and unreasonably cut songs and preventing a full experience, while
still allowing the option to shorten songs that have an overly repetitive beat/tune to prevent boredom while playing and mapping.
Yes and no.

Yes for what you said.

No for "Yeah, I've got this sweet song I do want to map but I don't to spend much time on it. Uhm, great idea! What about cutting off this 2:15 song to 1 minute or so? It's perfect!"

I'm okay with the "85% of the song mapped" option.

tuddster wrote:

I don't get how someone can look at that poll and conclude that 60s or less maps are everyone's least favorite and they should be unranked.
"Hur dur, I hate short maps because they bring nothing to the game because Muh opinions > your opinions".

That kind of people.
I'm not sure where you found that 85% mapped proposal but I have mapped and seen several maps with long intros that are quite unmappable or really doesn't need that much of it mapped. Further restrictions like that are bound to decrease quality of some songs. I might have misunderstood you but yeh
Snaggletooth

Wafu wrote:

This is almost the same thing I said, just longer and more complicated because it allows another exception.

If the cut was officially used somewhere, you are allowed to use it under 1 minute - That means any cut which were done by mapper or other person (this only talks about mapper, which is pretty questionable and there would soon be people making soundcloud, cutting it and uploading it as some another artist with "no, I did not cut it, it is some other person's cut".

The minimum draining time for a map must be 30 seconds. If original version of the song is longer than 1 minute, the minimum draining time for the map must be 1 minute with an exception of official cuts.
Was covering this as well. Official cut = exactly the same song you are mapping, but shortened by artist or someone else to use it in official source. This still allows you to cut maps on yourself if it will be longer than 1 minute. If there is a problem for someone to understand that it is equal to your wording, just simpler, the problem is on the other side, this is as obvious as it just could be.

Nevertheless mapping TV Size versions and so on is a bit lazy, but might have reasons - Including video, thus presenting the anime a little, but cutting them manually is just lazy and I did never see a reason to cut it unless there were really unmappable parts.
Then I really think the word 'cut' is what strikes me odd here. I don't disagree with you, I think I misunderstood or
perhaps we misunderstood eachother.
When you say 'officially cut' songs, I think about TV sizes. I think about intros, I wanted to adress
short songs that have an intro, a vers, chourse and an outro in just above one minute. I thought that these
exceptionally short and full songs would be banned with this rule.
Wafu

Snaggletooth wrote:

Wafu wrote:

This is almost the same thing I said, just longer and more complicated because it allows another exception.

If the cut was officially used somewhere, you are allowed to use it under 1 minute - That means any cut which were done by mapper or other person (this only talks about mapper, which is pretty questionable and there would soon be people making soundcloud, cutting it and uploading it as some another artist with "no, I did not cut it, it is some other person's cut".

The minimum draining time for a map must be 30 seconds. If original version of the song is longer than 1 minute, the minimum draining time for the map must be 1 minute with an exception of official cuts.
Was covering this as well. Official cut = exactly the same song you are mapping, but shortened by artist or someone else to use it in official source. This still allows you to cut maps on yourself if it will be longer than 1 minute. If there is a problem for someone to understand that it is equal to your wording, just simpler, the problem is on the other side, this is as obvious as it just could be.

Nevertheless mapping TV Size versions and so on is a bit lazy, but might have reasons - Including video, thus presenting the anime a little, but cutting them manually is just lazy and I did never see a reason to cut it unless there were really unmappable parts.
Then I really think the word 'cut' is what strikes me odd here. I don't disagree with you, I think I misunderstood or
perhaps we misunderstood eachother.
When you say 'officially cut' songs, I think about TV sizes. I think about intros, I wanted to adress
short songs that have an intro, a vers, chourse and an outro in just above one minute. I thought that these
exceptionally short and full songs would be banned with this rule.
Oh yeah, the 'with exceptions' means that all other cuts can be done, but must be 1 minute and above :)
Lanturn
Maps don't even get abused enough to need this "1 minute cut" rule thing. It's pretty pointless. Just let mappers map what they want. A guideline at best, but still pointless.

Also, back on topic. No to the 1 minute rule that was originally proposed, and definitely no to this new one that you guys kinda took over the thread with.
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