Poll 26: Should we remove scoreboards from qualified maps?

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Should we remove scoreboards from qualified beatmaps?

Yes
334
12.22%
No
627
22.94%
Keep them but don't reward performance points until ranked
1772
64.84%
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x86
3rd option is clearly the best
Also an unavoidable warning that says "this map can be disqualified at any time" should be included
Euny
i agree with this. when dq some map, it gives feels 'lost' to players also mappers. so i think, we should remove scoreboard from qualified map.
then we will get better feelings more than now when map's dq.
puxtu

qwr wrote:

3rd option is clearly the best
Also an unavoidable warning that says "this map can be disqualified at any time" should be included
pretty much this.
It feels really hurts when losing a pp
jesse1412
I feel like dumb fucks will complain double about "not getting pp from X map" if the pp is removed. Remove the score board and I'll be far less inclined to test a map. I like it how it is, a few comments in map threads is worth the additional play testing.
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peppy

jesus1412 wrote:

I feel like dumb fucks will complain double about "not getting pp from X map" if the pp is removed.
I completely agree.
Bara-
Illiterate and ignorant people will always complain
No matter what
A message saying You'll get no pp from this map should be fine
As long as it covers the whole screen
For 5 seconds
In multiple colors
Nisshoku

peppy wrote:

jesus1412 wrote:

I feel like dumb fucks will complain double about "not getting pp from X map" if the pp is removed.
I completely agree.
Am I one of the rare breeds of players left that really doesn't give two shits about this? Just saying.

EDIT: "This map is in qualified status, qualified maps will only give Performance Points after the map is fully ranked!" <-- This message seems fairly satisfactory
Monstrata
What about cases where the map doesn't change? Say it was a metadata issue, which has no effect on actual gameplay?

Regardless... if the scoreboard were removed there would no longer be any incentive to play the maps before they were ranked. People usually play maps in qualified to secure top/#1 ranks on the lower diffs (mapsets with no spinners are especially prone to this) or to get pp. I think the third option is the most ideal because people will get to keep their scores/pp if the map passes qualified.

At the same time, however, if you were to implement this, pp gain needs to be hidden from players somehow, otherwise even if a map does not immediately reward a player pp, they will still assume they have obtain those pp, and this would still create drama should a map get disqualified because players will be "expecting a top play". Basically at the end of the day, if a map is dq'ed, you are still going to get people saying "rip my 300 pp score etc etc" even if they never actually got it added onto their Top Plays (yet). I doubt this can be fully avoided, because players can always estimate about how much pp they would have received...
azer467
Maybe something like remove pp but keep scoreboard or remove scoreboard but keep pp

For now, I think just adding a panel at the top of the scoreboard ingame to warn players is fine, because the main problem for them complaining about is that we can't recognize ranked/qualified maps in-game because they both are marked with a heart
x86

monstrata wrote:

At the same time, however, if you were to implement this, pp gain needs to be hidden from players somehow, otherwise even if a map does not immediately reward a player pp, they will still assume they have obtain those pp, and this would still create drama should a map get disqualified because players will be "expecting a top play". Basically at the end of the day, if a map is dq'ed, you are still going to get people saying "rip my 300 pp score etc etc" even if they never actually got it added onto their Top Plays (yet). I doubt this can be fully avoided, because players can always estimate about how much pp they would have received...
I was thinking the same thing
To put it in different terms, qualified scores should not be "gambles", or "this score has a chance of giving me pp"

If you want to cut down drama, remove pp from qualified maps, so it's only about the leaderboard or score
Fullerene-

peppy wrote:

Players who try the map generally don't report issues with it. It's the actual QAT that do the checking.
One reason this may happen is because some may see a person pointing out issues in a qualified map as a malicious act, either against the mapper or BNs involved.

It's stupid, but sometimes I see that modding maps post-qualification is discouraged (whether passively or aggressively) and those who do are told that doing so should be left solely to the QAT.
B1rd
I agree with this. In fact I was considering making a thread myself. There is no reason to have qualified maps give pp; if they do, yes more people will play it, but they'll only be playing it for the pp. If they don't give pp, the people who play the map will be much more likely to be doing so to actually test the map, which is the purpose of the system. If you let them have a scoreboard, you will run into a similar problem of people complaining when people didn't get pp from FCing the map as indicated by the scoreboard.
I also think that when map is ranked it should have gone through thorough testing, and only rarely should it have to be recalled due to a previously undetected issue. I shouldn't be the norm. The yoyoing of maps in and out of a ranked state, especially of popular ones that have the community's attention (like Toumei Elegy), just make the mapping team look unprofessional, whatever the case may be.
Lanturn

To be honest, most of the problems and bitching come from the maps getting DQ'd themselves, not the actual PP loss (though I won't deny there are problems on this end as well sometimes)

That third option is completely stupid though. "hiding" pp isn't going to solve any of the problems. monstrata pretty much sums everything up. People will always complain, even if they don't have a specific number to look at.

One thing I'm going to mention though, is that if scores/pp get disabled, then map ratings should be as well.
-Makishima S-
In my opinion - keep them but don't reward performance points for score.

Personaly scoreboard is fun and allows to compete with others, check scores and approximately amount of points what you need IF map get's ranked (i know it's not ppv1 anymore but there are still people who like to fight over #1 just for fun).
Qualified maps should not be rewarded at all becouse in case of DQ it creates only sad/toxic spam in map topic.
Yuudachi-kun

peppy wrote:

jesus1412 wrote:

I feel like dumb fucks will complain double about "not getting pp from X map" if the pp is removed.
I completely agree.
But this is better than more drama from loss after a DQ, yes?
x86

Lanturn wrote:


To be honest, most of the problems and bitching come from the maps getting DQ'd themselves, not the actual PP loss (though I won't deny there are problems on this end as well sometimes)

That third option is completely stupid though. "hiding" pp isn't going to solve any of the problems. monstrata pretty much sums everything up. People will always complain, even if they don't have a specific number to look at.

One thing I'm going to mention though, is that if scores/pp get disabled, then map ratings should be as well.
The third option is actually ambiguous - it doesn't specify [in qualification] if pp rewarding will be delayed or not considered at all
Yuudachi-kun
It actually does to me. "Don't reward until ranked"
Cerulean Veyron
tl;dr,
Why do we need to keep the scoreboard that players can't even earn any pp or w/e from it anyway? I feel that some players would start establishing new dramas than the old ones, and other shtstorms.

Uhh, I know it's only for some testplays or sth else. But IMFO, It's best we remove the scoreboards.
Mahogany
I think a combination of option 3 and having a new icon to indicate a map is only in the qualified state ingame would be the ideal solution, personally. I'm still surprised there's no ingame distinction between Qualified and Ranked, and that is probably the source of a good deal of drama.
Lanturn

qwr wrote:

The third option is actually ambiguous - it doesn't specify [in qualification] if pp rewarding will be delayed or not considered at all
The big problem is if you actually have to play the map again and you can't beat your score (a Tie for example doesn't overwrite it) You're basically screwed forever without earning PP. I don't see how it's possible for the third option to be treated in that manner. It definitely means you'll earn your PP once it moves to ranked. If this was the case, I'd rather have all scores wiped upon ranking.
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