All of the top players use tablet for a reason. And it's not just that tablets are cheaper. Saying it's just a 'placebo' is ridiculous.
Streams also have an aim component.silmarilen wrote:
this is bullshit, streaming has nothing to do with your aim hand. doomsday, cptnxn and angelsim are so good at streams because they have high speed and stamina in their left hand, not because they use a mouse with their right.xxjesus1412fanx wrote:
theyre bad, mouse is better than tablet for streams, tablet better for jumps
proof: dooms king of time freeze, cptn being the only one who fc'd freedom dive who doesn't out-skill every other top player to the point of being peerless.
Maybe I am doing something wrong, but I play with mouse, and I only use my wrist, not my entire arm ;-;KuranteMelodii wrote:
I snap a lot on tablet, besides, mouse drains more stamina on your aiming hand since you move your entire arm instead of your wrist
But still, "tablet or mouse is better" is bullshit, it comes to preference
how is a tablet cheaper? you dont need a super exquisite mouse with 17 buttons that plays games instead of you, a cheap one is fine , and those have lower dpi which is an advantageB1rd wrote:
All of the top players use tablet for a reason. And it's not just that tablets are cheaper. Saying it's just a 'placebo' is ridiculous.
You can get a Tablet for $30 which is cheaper than most gaming mice.ShadyAngel wrote:
how is a tablet cheaper? you dont need a super exquisite mouse with 17 buttons that plays games instead of you, a cheap one is fine , and those have lower dpi which is an advantageB1rd wrote:
All of the top players use tablet for a reason. And it's not just that tablets are cheaper. Saying it's just a 'placebo' is ridiculous.
even if thats true youre not gonna run and buy a tablet are you? no you keep your mouse.
if you have had a tablet in the first place or you wanted to by one anyway then sure enjoy otherwise its an investment with relatively minor gains.
but i could be wrong, and players here are aiming for those ranks and pp and if you say that the tablet is somuchfkinbetter its unbelievable, then thats fine
Older Wacoms are 133hz. Huions and new Wacoms are all 200hz.chainpullz wrote:
It's hard to say absolute positioning is objectively better than relative. Either way you are still building muscle memory. Any negatives with mouse sensors are relative to the quality of your sensor. For what it's worth, most quality mice have substantially better polling rates than tablets, which are capped out around 128 hertz.
But for me it's not my right arm using mouse getting tired, it's my left arm hitting beats with q and w getting tired.KuranteMelodii wrote:
I snap a lot on tablet, besides, mouse drains more stamina on your aiming hand since you move your entire arm instead of your wrist
It's because of absolute positioning, nothing more nothing less. It definitely makes it easier to learn to aim for the circles. What nobody can say for sure is whether or not mouse aiming at top level play is a handicap (i.e. after a decade of practice)otoed1 wrote:
So far, the arguments I have for tablet being better are price, which is variable, weight, and absolute positioning. I feel as though weight isn't that important, although I doubt i'm high enough rank and don't play DT enough to give a proper thought about weight and only really high ranked players could discuss it well. Absolute positioning is a definite advantage, but I feel as though play time will easily overcome these issues. Price is too much of a varying factor in my opinion and frankly if I were to purchase another tablet, I would make sure its a higher priced tablet with good reviews, etc. in order to make sure it is high quality. It seems to me that mouse is only marginally worse than tabler, unless you find using it uncomfortable to play with.
Earlier someone made a point how most high ranking players use tablet. However, this does not directly mean that tablet is better than mouse in a significant way. Consider this: People who have purchased a tablet obviously have a greater drive to play the game, as they were willing to spend money on it. Saying that just because something is more popular doesn't mean its better. That would be like saying because Coca Cola is the best soda in the U.S simply because it is the most popular.
Try playing physically intense maps before speaking up that wayHK_ wrote:
Mouse takes physical effort? Mouse makes your wrist sore? Just how weak you people are???????
This.Incera wrote:
Because mouse is, it requires more effort than throwing a pen around on a tablet compared to bigger mouse, technically making it "easier" to get better with tablet.
And because tablet is mainstream in High Rankings.
Thanks for advice. Will try that.GoldenWolf wrote:
Try playing physically intense maps before speaking up that way
Endaris wrote:
Actually you have to grip a pen harder than you have to grip a mouse due to how you have to control the pen perfectly in an afloat position while you can just push the mouse around if you have a nice surface to glide on.
I mean we keep hearing of people having problems with their penhand too.
This is true, its the biggest issue for me and it doesn't seem to go away (I even tried a lot different dpi's and bought better new mousepad for better tracking)felicitousname wrote:
One true objective advantage for the tablet is that you'll never get mouse drift with it. With mouse, no matter how good your sensor is, you'll still need to adjust the position of your mouse after a lot of movement. Mice never have perfectly linear tracking, and for some longer songs, this has a significant effect on the player.
Zenny says he no longer recommends the G303 due to high density, awkward shape, and cable that isnt good unless you strip the braiding off (which turns it into the most flexible cable ever)The Gambler wrote:
I could splurge on a smaller mouse like a Zowie or a G303 for a fingertip-grip example but I spent all that money already and don't wanna spend more.
Yo. I hit 5k a few months ago using 1800 dpi 1.0x. I also mostly use my wrist, but I occasionally move my arm for large, quick cross screen jumps because they're easier that way. Anyway, I'm saying this mainly because you can play whatever sensitivity you want as long as your mouse pad allows your mouse to go across the entire screen. My friend is at 30k and plays even higher dpi than me. It's crazy to watch him control the mouse so precisely, and I know I'd never be able to do that. But hey, it worked for him, so find what works for you.A6E wrote:
Maybe I am doing something wrong, but I play with mouse, and I only use my wrist, not my entire arm ;-;KuranteMelodii wrote:
I snap a lot on tablet, besides, mouse drains more stamina on your aiming hand since you move your entire arm instead of your wrist
But still, "tablet or mouse is better" is bullshit, it comes to preference
Dpi around 2k
Mice are also heavier.jaaakb wrote:
1800 dpi isn't very high if you use 1080p or larger res, sure it's in the higher end of what people use but nothing silly.
Imo mouse drift is the biggest reason why tablets are better. Repositioning can be hard depending on mouse (liftoff distance, how you grip it) and it's always something extra you have to do compared to absolute positioning devices.
You have to move your mouse smoothly and at the right speed. Even with perfect finger control, if you move your mouse too fast or make jumpy movements you will still end up with misses/50's.silmarilen wrote:
this is bullshit, streaming has nothing to do with your aim hand. doomsday, cptnxn and angelsim are so good at streams because they have high speed and stamina in their left hand, not because they use a mouse with their right.
I've never tried a tablet, but I think it would be better. Like others said a bad tablet is better than a bad mouse while a good tablet is greater or equal to a good mouse. So what do you get when you add these together? Tablets don't like cheese.Ichi wrote:
You don´t need a tablet to play good. The key word here is TIME, you have to invest time in order to be good, and most people want immediate results which in a game like this WILL NEVER HAPPEN. The only thing tablet does is give you a faster start, so what? your limits are gonna be pushed and you will always want more: more speed, more stamina, more aim and then keep asking for more so in the end it´s the same story. It´s never gonna be enough if you don't spend the time you need to keep improving. I believe both tablet and mouse have the same potential. They do have different learning curves and times. That and preference is the only difference to me.
Weight itself isn't necessarily a bad thing. To a point, additional weight provides better control the same way a larger tablet area or lower dpi does.ZenithPhantasm wrote:
Mice are also heavier.jaaakb wrote:
1800 dpi isn't very high if you use 1080p or larger res, sure it's in the higher end of what people use but nothing silly.
Imo mouse drift is the biggest reason why tablets are better. Repositioning can be hard depending on mouse (liftoff distance, how you grip it) and it's always something extra you have to do compared to absolute positioning devices.
The average tablet pen weighs 15g.
Average "gaming mouse" upwards of 100g
i use 600 pixels / ( 4000 cpi * 0.075 ) = 2 inches = 5.1 cm vertical area in theoryNadfee wrote:
< Additional useless info: I'm using 1800 x 0.7 = 1260 dpi and I only have to move my arm less than 2cm left/right to do comfortable cross map jumps.
I use fullscreen 1920x1080. Forgot to mention that. Yes I'm serious that I don't need to move my ARM more than 2cm to neither side to make a cross-map jumps. Infact, I only need to do it when they really are borderline cross map jumps.jaaakb wrote:
i use 600 pixels / ( 4000 cpi * 0.075 ) = 2 inches = 5.1 cm vertical area in theoryNadfee wrote:
< Additional useless info: I'm using 1800 x 0.7 = 1260 dpi and I only have to move my arm less than 2cm left/right to do comfortable cross map jumps.
x pixels / (1800 cpi * 0.7 ) = 2 cm * 3/4
x pixels = 6/4 cm * 1260 cpi
x pixels = 1,5 cm * 496 counts/cm = 744
do you use 1280*768 or something? resolution is as important in comparing effective sensitivities as dpi is, double res you have to move mice twice as much and same with dpi, but in reverse