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Ayu
9.7 fits so much better than 9.5 especially because the human eye interprets 9.7 so much faster that it fits better am I right? Guys, stop telling him to change the AR, it's almost like saying copy pasting isn't creative.
Topic Starter
Bara-
What happened
Ayu is acting 'for' me instead of against O.o
Thanks
I'll set it to 9.7
Still would've like 9.9, but then I'm unable to read it as it's so close to 10
Mafumafu
Take a place here. Will mod tomorrow :D

Unused hitsounds: soft-hitwhistle.wav

00:10:151 (1) - For this part, I guess its better to use a more consistent DS. You could use jumps at where you put finishes and keep regular DS at other notes.

I'd have to say that the DS should be considered again. You use very large DS on notes but the DS on sliders are quite unstable and vary from very small to very large with reasons that are not that distinct.
For instance, 01:53:333 (6,1) - The DS on this slider is very large, that's OK because the pitch of the vocal here is high. But when the pitch gets lower, the DS is still very huge. (at 01:55:605 (1,2) - ). Furthermore, 02:01:060 (1,2) - Here the pitch is quite high but the DS is too small.
Another exapmle is the sliders here 02:33:787 (1,2,3) - have small DS while 02:30:151 (1,2,3) - here they are very large. But the music sounds nearly the same.
There're other parts like this. Maybe you can think over them again.

02:44:242 (4,5,1,2) - Quite hard to read.

03:21:060 (1) - Ctrl+G?

05:30:302 (1) - Use lower volume on the spinner end.

hitsounds are fine.
Streams are quite nice xD
Good Luck!
[ owo]
Hey! My M4M request mod here =w=

00:10:151 (1,2) - Pretty sure making this parallel with 00:11:060 (3) isn't too difficult. It'll make it look better too. (rotating it 15 degrees clockwise works)
00:23:636 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - The focus of these jumps is up-down-up-down while the rhythm is 1-2-3-1-2-3.
I would prefer a remap of these jumps because right now you focused a duple or double rhythm rather than the song's triplet rhythm
00:28:030 (7,8,1) - To me at least, hit circles with large ds but not much of an "angle" between the jumps are harder to hit. So a jump like this to me is not as "fun" as other jumps are. (aka I don't like flow like this in jumps, but hey, just my two cents)
00:31:060 (6,7,8,9,10) - Same as I described earlier
00:41:060 (1) - This doesn't look that good to me, especially the inside curve of the slider. I would smooth it out. Also, the jump is pretty large o.O
01:27:424 (3,4,5) - I know you want radial symmetry, but the flow is awkward (on mouse at least)
01:33:636 (8,1) - idk, but this anti-jump feels weird to play, especially when considering the strength of the next beat in mind
01:35:605 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - This stream could be better to play if 01:36:060 was a hitcircle, not a slider tail, especially since 01:36:060 is an important beat.
As Jenny would say, "passive hitsounding"
01:56:515 (3,4) - Blanket >:C
01:57:424 (1,2,3,4) - This reminds me of Garven's mapping style, low angle jumps, which I personally don't like x.x
01:58:182 (5) - Passive hitsounding issue
02:10:151 (1) - This SV slowdown was pretty unexpected IMO
02:44:546 (5,1,2) - This was a bit awkward for me
03:00:909 (8,1) - Mentioned earlier
03:02:878 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Same
03:30:000 (7,1) - This is a pretty underwhelming jump, considering 03:29:697 (6,7) and that it's the climax of this musical phrase
04:08:787 (4,5,6,7,8) - Passive hitsound
04:16:969 (1,2,3) - This leading into the stream makes the start of the stream pretty difficult to read on the 1st or 2nd try. Moving it away or perhaps not stacking would fix that
04:24:696 (1) - Get rid of slider tail hitsound?
04:57:879 (2,3) - Better blanket?
04:59:242 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Tornado jumps get tiring after a while, just put triangle jump varients and a bit of randomness. Also applies to the many times you used tornado jumps before.
05:06:364 (8,1) - Underwhelming jump

Oh boy you love your symmetry
Sorry if I couldn't help your map at all T_T

Good luck, and if my mod dosen't help, feel free to cancel the M4M request :P
Topic Starter
Bara-

Regraz wrote:

Take a place here. Will mod tomorrow :D

Unused hitsounds: soft-hitwhistle.wav

00:10:151 (1) - For this part, I guess its better to use a more consistent DS. You could use jumps at where you put finishes and keep regular DS at other notes. Kay

I'd have to say that the DS should be considered again. You use very large DS on notes but the DS on sliders are quite unstable and vary from very small to very large with reasons that are not that distinct.
For instance, 01:53:333 (6,1) - The DS on this slider is very large, that's OK because the pitch of the vocal here is high. But when the pitch gets lower, the DS is still very huge. (at 01:55:605 (1,2) - ). Furthermore, 02:01:060 (1,2) - Here the pitch is quite high but the DS is too small.
Another exapmle is the sliders here 02:33:787 (1,2,3) - have small DS while 02:30:151 (1,2,3) - here they are very large. But the music sounds nearly the same.
There're other parts like this. Maybe you can think over them again. Fixed most of them

02:44:242 (4,5,1,2) - Quite hard to read. I kinda like the way this works

03:21:060 (1) - Ctrl+G?

05:30:302 (1) - Use lower volume on the spinner end.

hitsounds are fine.
Streams are quite nice xD
Good Luck!

[ owo] wrote:

Hey! My M4M request mod here =w=

00:10:151 (1,2) - Pretty sure making this parallel with 00:11:060 (3) isn't too difficult. It'll make it look better too. (rotating it 15 degrees clockwise works) True, but I kinda want to have solid DS
00:23:636 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - The focus of these jumps is up-down-up-down while the rhythm is 1-2-3-1-2-3. Well, it's actually 1-1-1-1-1-1 due to the drums. Good point though, but I prefer current's
I would prefer a remap of these jumps because right now you focused a duple or double rhythm rather than the song's triplet rhythm Soo many triangles
00:28:030 (7,8,1) - To me at least, hit circles with large ds but not much of an "angle" between the jumps are harder to hit. So a jump like this to me is not as "fun" as other jumps are. (aka I don't like flow like this in jumps, but hey, just my two cents)
00:31:060 (6,7,8,9,10) - Same as I described earlier
00:41:060 (1) - This doesn't look that good to me, especially the inside curve of the slider. I would smooth it out. Also, the jump is pretty large o.O Elbows <3
01:27:424 (3,4,5) - I know you want radial symmetry, but the flow is awkward (on mouse at least)
01:33:636 (8,1) - idk, but this anti-jump feels weird to play, especially when considering the strength of the next beat in mind Intended
01:35:605 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - This stream could be better to play if 01:36:060 was a hitcircle, not a slider tail, especially since 01:36:060 is an important beat.
As Jenny would say, "passive hitsounding" It's the same as the previous part with a ctrl H, so I'm keeping it
01:56:515 (3,4) - Blanket >:C
01:57:424 (1,2,3,4) - This reminds me of Garven's mapping style, low angle jumps, which I personally don't like x.x
01:58:182 (5) - Passive hitsounding issue
02:10:151 (1) - This SV slowdown was pretty unexpected IMO Sliderticks
02:44:546 (5,1,2) - This was a bit awkward for me It's fine
03:00:909 (8,1) - Mentioned earlier
03:02:878 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Same
03:30:000 (7,1) - This is a pretty underwhelming jump, considering 03:29:697 (6,7) and that it's the climax of this musical phrase
04:08:787 (4,5,6,7,8) - Passive hitsound
04:16:969 (1,2,3) - This leading into the stream makes the start of the stream pretty difficult to read on the 1st or 2nd try. Moving it away or perhaps not stacking would fix that Stack is intended for build up
04:24:696 (1) - Get rid of slider tail hitsound?
04:57:879 (2,3) - Better blanket?
04:59:242 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Tornado jumps get tiring after a while, just put triangle jump varients and a bit of randomness. Also applies to the many times you used tornado jumps before.
05:06:364 (8,1) - Underwhelming jump

Oh boy you love your symmetry
Sorry if I couldn't help your map at all T_T
Thanks!
No reply means fixed


Good luck, and if my mod dosen't help, feel free to cancel the M4M request :P
Sc4v4ng3r
Hello~ M4M from your queue~
And this map is so intense o.o

  1. Unrankable issues
  2. My opinion which I highly recommend changing it
  3. Just small suggestions/nazi

[General]
  1. All looks fine.


[Steel]
  1. 00:14:696 (3) - I'm not entirely sure if this was intentional, but would look cleaner if the tail of this slider completely overlapped the head of 00:13:787 (1) - .
  2. 00:17:424 (1) - I don't really get it, this is bit more of a stronger beat than 00:18:333 (5) - , yet (5) has 3.6x DS on it...
  3. 00:28:181 (8) - Maybe would be better if this was at x=344 y=144 to create a parallel pattern from 00:26:969 (2,5,6) - .
  4. 00:35:606 (1) - I do hear a cymbals in the head of this slider, would be better to add a finish here.
  5. 00:45:606 (1,1) - If this is part of your NC scheme, then I can't argue, but I don't really get why these has NCs on them when all the previous similar notes (like 00:23:787 (6,9) - ) doesn't have a NC on them.
  6. 01:27:423 (3,5) - I don't really know if this was intentional, but I think unequal distance here makes the pattern look a bit weird.
  7. 01:56:969 (4) - Personally I think the symmetrical pattern shouldn't be broke by this slider, this has quite a strong vocal on it. Just copy and paste (3) and ctrl + H then ctrl + G for the symmetry.
  8. 02:19:166 - Would be good if you could include a circle here for a triplet following the drum beats. If this is applied, claps should be added on the circle which is added here, as well as 02:19:091 (12,1) - .
  9. 02:27:878 (5,6,7) - Is this triangular pattern rotated on purpose?
  10. 04:14:242 (3) - Not really sure about this wiggle, it is pretty unnoticable during gameplay... May as well be a bit more harsher.
  11. 04:27:424 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Honestly I feel that the whole stream is bit overmapped, I don't really hear any instruments that justifies this. It can just be three 1/2 sliders, with wriggles like your mapping style.
  12. 05:30:150 (1) - Aesthetically would be better if this was on the centre of the grid.


That is all from me. Sorry if this didn't really help much though...
GL!
kunka
From your Q.
Because I put together the same main point, It may be hard to see it a little. sorry..

Steel

01:14:999 (4) - NC? I think it in the same way as 01:00:454 (1) - and 01:07:727 (1) -

03:03:788 (7) - ^

03:03:788 (7) - It is the same as the above. Similar point 01:36:515 (1) -

01:35:605 (1,2) - Would you like to get rid of overlap? It is easy to play. (it easier to see.)

03:02:878 (1,2) - ^

02:12:121 - 02:12:196 - Would you like to add a circle to these two places? With a sound sounding here, and I think that triple becomes easy to take rhythm at twice.

02:19:318 - Would you like to add a circle here? It is a reason same as the above. However, because current placement is beautiful, It is not necessary to add forcibly.

05:00:681 - ^

05:28:408 - ^

05:28:863 - ^

02:44:546 (5,1,2) - I feel rhythm to be oddly. Probably I think that this is because it takes the rhythm of the back. Would you like to take rhythm in a white line? How about this?

03:06:515 (1) - I think that the whistle here is not necessary.

Because it is good music, MOD was fun. GL ;)
Morbon
Hello, m4m here.
[Steel]
  1. 03:03:788 (7) - NC, like 01:36:515 (1) - here
  2. 00:24:242 (9,10,11) - i think this moment has a great diff gap with starting patterns, when i first time played it, i didn't expect that wide one. How about make the beginning a bit harder or reduce DS here?
  3. 00:31:969 (1) - how about ctrl+g and 00:32:424 (2,3) - ctrl+g here?
  4. 00:39:242 (1) - better stack with (7)
  5. 00:46:515 (1,2,3) - how about this, and next objects on your own
  6. 01:30:151 (1,2) - ctrl+h, next objects can be ctrl+H'ed too, but i'd suggest to put them by another way.
  7. 02:17:424 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - where are NC for every 3 circles? or i can't get idea
  8. 02:29:848 (5,6) - how about ctrl+g, and move this one 02:30:151 (1) to make a sort of diamond
  9. 02:33:787 (1,2,3) - i think it's too close
  10. 02:44:546 (5,1,2) - what is it? looks like unfinished sliders for some pattern, which you didn't used. if it's a pattern already, it's too confusing and misreadable
  11. 02:53:787 (1) - how about this? It's stacked with end of (3)
  12. 03:20:151 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - i think this order will be better, and ctrl+h next 2 sliders
  13. 04:29:924 - circle here and 04:29:999 - here
  14. 04:33:029 (4,5) - ctrl+g again, i like these things
  15. 04:48:333 (1,2) - in moments like this and the next symmetrical sliders i think you can increase DS
  16. 04:56:515 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - you can experiment with ctrl+g, this is one of variants ( (3) is highlighted )

I think that's all . _.
Rapthorn
Just wondering if these sliders (and other hard to read ones) are actually rankable, more of a question than anything

01:12:878 (3) -
04:06:969 (3) -
04:14:242 (3) -

The only one im actually concerned about is the 04:14:242 (3) - one, because of this

Slider anchors/nodes must not be used to manipulate slider speeds (whether they are normal nodes or red ones). Using extra nodes to make a slider "wiggle" is usually fine, but using so many that the slider gets scrunched up (which also makes the sliderball go crazy) or become a "hold slider" is abuse of the hitobject's intended use and is not allowed.
I might just have understood it wrong, but just wanted to point it out

no kd ofc

good luck
Topic Starter
Bara-
All sliders are perfectly rankable
Even though it gets slowed down. I used a SV 2.3 IIRC to make up for that to make it normal paced
Zaphkael


Yo, as promised. I'm sorry for being late.

00:31:818 (11) - why don't you place this lower since you already have this up-and-down momentum?

01:01:060 (1) - flip horizontally since it would fit the flow so much better

01:11:666 (4,5) - spread these out, keep the flow going in maps that have this star rating

02:28:333 (1) - left anchor point lower to keep the circle movement better

03:32:727 (5) - place this one a little bit further away from the previous to keep a more constant build-up

04:15:605 (1,2,3) - are you sure that you want to space them this much?

05:02:424 (5) - I'd ctrl+g this one

Lol I didn't find much, it's kinda over the top for me, but who am I to say that xD

Good luck, and because I didn't find a lot, have a star

~Scout
Topic Starter
Bara-
Thanks guys
Because of IRL things I will check it later
Due to that, I also'll not give kudosu for now
I always do it after I apply the mod
Topic Starter
Bara-
Because it's too much I won't relpy to you all individually
Scout - Fixed all
Scav - Fixed all but ◾00:28:181 (8) because of stack
kunka^4 - Fixed all but the ones about a circle adding (the ones you said were not neccessary)
Morbon - Foxed most of them, things I denied were mostly based on aesthetics, even if it flows better or such (I like aesthetics)

Thanks guys!
Alphabet
Hey :)
nub mod pls don't hate :o

General

Everything is okay here.

Steel

00:44:696 (1) - New combo isn't needed.

00:51:969 (1) - ^ But I think you should add a NC at 00:52:423 (3) -

01:25:152 (3) - Flip this around do it's symmetrical to 01:24:696 (1) -

02:12:424 (4,5,6) - You should remove this triplet and make it like this: http://prntscr.com/8i5ejp

02:21:211 (1) - Can you add a break after this spinner? It's a bit mean for people that can just survive those triangles.

04:17:424 (1) - to 04:24:165 (6) - You should add only a couple of repeating sliders inbetween this, imo it's a bit too long.

04:24:696 (1) - Try and shorten this by a tick.

04:34:696 (5) - not really needed, but it'd be better if you made this slider symmetrical on both sides.

04:38:333 (1) - NC

04:53:409 (8) - I think you should remove this circle.


Did I do good things? o-o
Love the symmetry in this, and it's hard
Good luck :)
Topic Starter
Bara-

Alphabet wrote:

Hey :)
nub mod pls don't hate :o

General

Everything is okay here.

Steel

00:44:696 (1) - New combo isn't needed.

00:51:969 (1) - ^ But I think you should add a NC at 00:52:423 (3) - Doesn't feel well

01:25:152 (3) - Flip this around do it's symmetrical to 01:24:696 (1) - Technically, this would be correct, but look at the movement. (1) goes from the middle to the outside. A reverse means Outside to inside, which is what it currently does

02:12:424 (4,5,6) - You should remove this triplet and make it like this: http://prntscr.com/8i5ejp

02:21:211 (1) - Can you add a break after this spinner? It's a bit mean for people that can just survive those triangles.

04:17:424 (1) - to 04:24:165 (6) - You should add only a couple of repeating sliders inbetween this, imo it's a bit too long. Kinda intended

04:24:696 (1) - Try and shorten this by a tick. But then it loses it's shape ;w;

04:34:696 (5) - not really needed, but it'd be better if you made this slider symmetrical on both sides.

04:38:333 (1) - NC

04:53:409 (8) - I think you should remove this circle. Nah, it follows the drums


Did I do good things? o-o
Love the symmetry in this, and it's hard
Good luck :)
Thanks!
It was a good mod!
Oh for the next time, something like 04:38:333 (1) - NC is bad. Why? It doesn't say (1) in other client's, as the Original number was (7) (so it took me some time to find xD)

Fixed all unmentioned!
Deppyforce
Ayy M4M :3

[Steel]
Overall : I Think There Are A Bit Too Much illuminatiTriangles Patterns Here

00:14:696 (3,4,5,6) - I Think (4) On (3)'s Head Is hard To Read, Maybe Change Pattern?

I Think 00:23:333 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - And 00:30:606 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Should Be Same

01:00:454 (1,2,3,4,1) - Rotate This Star A Bit Will Make It Looks Better

01:07:878 (2) - This Should Be Further Away From (1)

01:24:696 (1) - Maybe Ctrl + G

02:00:757 (4) - Move Further Up And Move 02:00:908 (5) At The Center Of The Grid

02:10:151 (1) - SV Change Is Bit Too Much imo

02:12:878 (8) - Add NC

02:45:453 (2) - This Is Hard To Read lol Maybe Ctrl + H

04:22:878 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - I Think The Spacing Is Too Big For The Other Jumps' Spacing Throughout The Map (Diff Spike)

04:44:545 (3,1) - Should Be Bigger Jump Like The Way You Make These Triangle Larger Every 3 Notes And Maybe Increase Stream's Spacing A Bit

05:11:818 (6) - Should Be Somewhere Like x254 y374

05:44:242 - Spinner End Here

I Can't Make Good Mod On Extra Marathons ;w;
Good Luck :3
Topic Starter
Bara-

Deppyforce wrote:

Ayy M4M :3

[Steel]
Overall : I Think There Are A Bit Too Much illuminatiTriangles Patterns Here

00:14:696 (3,4,5,6) - I Think (4) On (3)'s Head Is hard To Read, Maybe Change Pattern?

I Think 00:23:333 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - And 00:30:606 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Should Be Same

01:00:454 (1,2,3,4,1) - Rotate This Star A Bit Will Make It Looks Better I like the antijump between (5,1)

01:07:878 (2) - This Should Be Further Away From (1)

01:24:696 (1) - Maybe Ctrl + G Nah, breaks distnce

02:00:757 (4) - Move Further Up And Move 02:00:908 (5) At The Center Of The Grid

02:10:151 (1) - SV Change Is Bit Too Much imo Not really

02:12:878 (8) - Add NC Nah, breaks consistency

02:45:453 (2) - This Is Hard To Read lol Maybe Ctrl + H Lol, it's quite easy actually

04:22:878 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - I Think The Spacing Is Too Big For The Other Jumps' Spacing Throughout The Map (Diff Spike) This is not even close to being a diff spike, spacing is relatively low

04:44:545 (3,1) - Should Be Bigger Jump Like The Way You Make These Triangle Larger Every 3 Notes And Maybe Increase Stream's Spacing A Bit As it's following a stream, that's be ridiculous

05:11:818 (6) - Should Be Somewhere Like x254 y374

05:44:242 - Spinner End Here It's fine

I Can't Make Good Mod On Extra Marathons ;w;
Good Luck :3
Thanks!
No reply means fixed :3
Rakuen
As requested!

Default = Normal mods
Blue = Strongly recommended
Red = Unrankable issue
Pink = Will be discussed if not changed

Hitsound

  • Unused hitsound:
  1. soft-hitwhistle.wav

Steel

  • Is the diff name related? (not the type of "metal")
  1. 00:21:060 - Finish (constant)
  2. 02:45:453 (2) - This can be like Ctrl+H, looks better for me
  3. 03:33:787 - Could make the volume slightly higher, the background noise is still there, and the custom hitsounds are too low
  4. 04:05:757 (5) - Feels like too close to 04:05:151 (4) -
  5. 04:14:242 (3) - No way...sure this is rankable?
  6. 04:44:696 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Feels like a bit overmap here... :o ...

Uhh this map feels alike with my Tengaku, dunno why... >.>"

Call me back if you need!
Topic Starter
Bara-

Rakuen wrote:

As requested!

Default = Normal mods
Blue = Strongly recommended
Red = Unrankable issue
Pink = Will be discussed if not changed

Hitsound

  • Unused hitsound:
  1. soft-hitwhistle.wav

Steel

  • Is the diff name related? (not the type of "metal")
  1. 00:21:060 - Finish (constant)
  2. 02:45:453 (2) - This can be like Ctrl+H, looks better for me
  3. 03:33:787 - Could make the volume slightly higher, the background noise is still there, and the custom hitsounds are too low
  4. 04:05:757 (5) - Feels like too close to 04:05:151 (4) -
  5. 04:14:242 (3) - No way...sure this is rankable Talked about this with you in-game, not sure what caused this to happen?
  6. 04:44:696 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Feels like a bit overmap here... :o ... It feels like a great build up for the next part, due to the high speed in that part

Uhh this map feels alike with my Tengaku, dunno why... >.>"

Call me back if you need!
Thanks!
No reply means fixed!
Rakuen
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