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CINDERELLA PROJECT - Star!! [Taiko]

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climbb65588
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2015年7月29日 at 下午 09:24:48

Artist: CINDERELLA PROJECT
Title: Star!!
Source: アイドルマスター シンデレラガールズ
Tags: The Idolmaster Cinderella Girls IM@S IDOLM@STER TV Size Hidekazu Tanaka MONACA
BPM: 178
Filesize: 15402kb
Play Time: 01:27
Difficulties Available:
  1. Futsuu (2.15 stars, 211 notes)
  2. Kantan (1.72 stars, 111 notes)
  3. Muzukashii (2.87 stars, 356 notes)
  4. Oni (4.18 stars, 494 notes)
Download: CINDERELLA PROJECT - Star!!
Download: CINDERELLA PROJECT - Star!! (no video)
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TVアニメ「アイドルマスター シンデレラガールズ」オープニングテーマ「Star!!」
Anime "THE IDOLM@STER CINDERELLA GIRLS" opening theme song "Star!!"

今 未来だけ見上げて
PatZar
HYPE!!!!!! i want to GD this :(
kanpakyin
I am ready~ I am ready~
PatZar
btw, delete that "Cinderella" on tag
and kd me :^)
aabc271
☆!!
And good luck :)
OnosakiHito
After some discussion in #taiko about this map I'm sure about certain things, so let's go with the modding.

[General]
In general spread is fine. This is a really good example to other mapper how a spread can be large but consistent. Mapper used for every diff a main snapping which he followed strictly and applied in a harder or easier way accordingly to the paste of the song. This leads automatically to fine spread. Yet, some refining is still needed but which aren't difficulty at all:
  1. 01:03:002 - Kiai in Kantan should carry more 2/1 notes. You can see with the picture I provide downbelow that Futsuu to Oni all provide a denser pattern constellation with their main snapping than Kantan. Which is why you should probably have some more 2/1.
  2. 01:03:002 - Same timeline for Muzukashii with a different case: You should have some rest moments since your other diffs provide them as well. Oni has 1/2, Futsuu 3/4, Kantan even bigger, so Muzu should have some too, for example 3/4 at 01:07:890 (283) -
  3. 00:00:980 - Do me the favor and add the redline at this timeline. It has no difference in offset, neither do you have a greenline before the redline, so nothing would happen if you change the redline's place. We would be just on the more safer side, in case any of the QATs have a problem that the timeline is out of the timelines range.
  4. Countdown and letterbox can be removed in Taiko since they have no effect.
[ Muzukashii]

Actually, all I have to say about the Muzukashii is that you should have at some places just some note removals to avoid having too long 1/2 pattern or sections in general. It has to do with the difficulty aspect which QATs take really serious. So whenever you have the possibility to put a break in an consistent way, please do / try so. This can for example happen at places like this 00:19:351 - or 00:21:205 - where patterns are kind similar to Oni. This kind of deletion is of course not a must and just one suggestin of many other ways. But please take this serious and try having at calmer parts or sections some breaks.

[ Oni]

As I told your before, after the talk in #taiko it has been found out that the difference with certain patterns might be too small. While personally I think the differences can be somehow distinguised, people are probably still right that this might be to insignificant to be recognized, so having some little refining would be appropriated. Have a screen from the intro (first line) which is compared with 3 other parts of your song (kiai not included, which has also just small differences):



  1. 00:00:306 ~ 00:09:070 - As mentioned above, people think this part shouldn't be so similar to the upcoming one, so making it more simple might be appropriate here. Things like kkk could be removed. Also let me mention: In case it becomes much more easier than before, don't forget to check the other diffs as well for spread purpose.
  2. 00:14:800 (75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97) - I do beleieve this patterns needs some kind of refining or restruction since I can't see any clear structure here. Might be just me, but patterns do not seem to have any "real" connection to each other either. I will just leave for some kind of brainstorming a pattern I changed quick: http://puu.sh/j8L41/722161aa9a.jpg
  3. 00:37:974 (200) - While this kat is supported by the song, it plays odd due to it's natural appereance. But we could avoid that by just deleting this note.
Actually I don't wanna say much more about the Oni. Overall it is fine, but as mentioned before, maybe making the parts differ a little bit more from each other would be better. Maybe deleting certain tripplets or having a break could be already moe than enough. If you need support with that, I can go more in detail. But for now, I wouldn't like to interfer too much into your mapping, since you are an old mapper who has his own ideas, too.

Recall me once you think you manage to find a solution for this. Sorry for the lack of examples, but I'm kinda in a hurry now.
That post looks so big, but actually there is not much to change. Maps are in general fine. Just Kantan needs some more notes here and there.
Topic Starter
climbb65588

OnosakiHito wrote:

After some discussion in #taiko about this map I'm sure about certain things, so let's go with the modding.

[General]
In general spread is fine. This is a really good example to other mapper how a spread can be large but consistent. Mapper used for every diff a main snapping which he followed strictly and applied in a harder or easier way accordingly to the paste of the song. This leads automatically to fine spread. Yet, some refining is still needed but which aren't difficulty at all:
  1. 01:03:002 - Kiai in Kantan should carry more 2/1 notes. You can see with the picture I provide downbelow that Futsuu to Oni all provide a denser pattern constellation with their main snapping than Kantan. Which is why you should probably have some more 2/1.


    Some 2/1 notes have been added into Kantan such as 01:03:676 (78) - and 01:06:373 (82) -
    The overall note density has been increased now.

  2. 01:03:002 - Same timeline for Muzukashii with a different case: You should have some rest moments since your other diffs provide them as well. Oni has 1/2, Futsuu 3/4, Kantan even bigger, so Muzu should have some too, for example 3/4 at 01:07:890 (283) -

    Some continuous 1/2 notes have been deleted. However, I'm not sure the meaning of your "break" whether it is a 2/1 or 1/1 of blank space.
    In my understanding, a 1/2 blank space can already be a "break" for Muzukashii, especially in the Kiai area which even contains some 1/4.
    Anyway, I really hope that you can point out the exact place for deletion if the breaks in Muzukashii is still not enough

  3. 00:00:980 - Do me the favor and add the redline at this timeline. It has no difference in offset, neither do you have a greenline before the redline, so nothing would happen if you change the redline's place. We would be just on the more safer side, in case any of the QATs have a problem that the timeline is out of the timelines range.

    All timelines are fixed now.
  4. Countdown and letterbox can be removed in Taiko since they have no effect.
All fixed. But is it a matter when there's no difference? lol

[ Muzukashii]

Actually, all I have to say about the Muzukashii is that you should have at some places just some note removals to avoid having too long 1/2 pattern or sections in general. It has to do with the difficulty aspect which QATs take really serious. So whenever you have the possibility to put a break in an consistent way, please do / try so. This can for example happen at places like this 00:19:351 - or 00:21:205 - where patterns are kind similar to Oni. This kind of deletion is of course not a must and just one suggestin of many other ways. But please take this serious and try having at calmer parts or sections some breaks.

Some notes from 00:17:159 - to 00:27:946 - are deleted. More breaks (>1/1 note space) should be included now.
In the beginning part of the verse, some large note gaps are included now (e.g. 00:28:957 - )
Overall, the note density diversity should be wider now (2 more 1/4 tripplets are included in Kiai too).

[ Oni]

As I told your before, after the talk in #taiko it has been found out that the difference with certain patterns might be too small. While personally I think the differences can be somehow distinguised, people are probably still right that this might be to insignificant to be recognized, so having some little refining would be appropriated. Have a screen from the intro (first line) which is compared with 3 other parts of your song (kiai not included, which has also just small differences):



  1. 00:00:306 ~ 00:09:070 - As mentioned above, people think this part shouldn't be so similar to the upcoming one, so making it more simple might be appropriate here. Things like kkk could be removed. Also let me mention: In case it becomes much more easier than before, don't forget to check the other diffs as well for spread purpose.

    kkk has been removed. However, to be honest it's quite difficult to change the pattern in intro part.
    Harmony between music and hitsounds is the main focus in my mapping method, so the suitability for the rhythm takes the first place in stead of diversity in mapping pattern. Vocal, piano and the bells lead the note in the very beginning part, and what you can see now already is the simplest note patterns.
    The guitar, drum and bells are the supports for the upcoming part, I can say it's a coincidence if two parts are similar as the purposes of those two phases are diffierent.
  2. 00:14:800 (75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97) - I do beleieve this patterns needs some kind of refining or restruction since I can't see any clear structure here. Might be just me, but patterns do not seem to have any "real" connection to each other either. I will just leave for some kind of brainstorming a pattern I changed quick: http://puu.sh/j8L41/722161aa9a.jpg
    The structure of this part is easy, d representing the snare and k for decoration based on the string.
    Yet, 00:15:643 (82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93,94) is changed referencing to your suggestion. The purpose of my "d"s should be more oblivious now.
  3. 00:37:974 (200) - While this kat is supported by the song, it plays odd due to it's natural appereance. But we could avoid that by just deleting this note.
Fixed.

Actually I don't wanna say much more about the Oni. Overall it is fine, but as mentioned before, maybe making the parts differ a little bit more from each other would be better. Maybe deleting certain tripplets or having a break could be already moe than enough. If you need support with that, I can go more in detail. But for now, I wouldn't like to interfer too much into your mapping, since you are an old mapper who has his own ideas, too.

Recall me once you think you manage to find a solution for this. Sorry for the lack of examples, but I'm kinda in a hurry now.
That post looks so big, but actually there is not much to change. Maps are in general fine. Just Kantan needs some more notes here and there.
Oh, shouldn't I add "(TV Size)" after the song title? (even I see some TV size map haven't added it)

Thanks for your mod, Ono. Hope my responses could meet your expectation.
But I just want to point out that (also for other modders) the note density in this map is actually diverse and with their reasons related to the music.
Here's a brief explanation, mainly talking about the Oni, of different parts of my map.

Nardoxyribonucleic
Hi, here comes a taiko mod as requested.

  • [General]
  1. It would be better to shift the BG slightly downward so that the clock could be more visible.
  2. You may want to lower the hitsound volume by 10% since the current one is too loud imo.
  • [Kantan]

    Disable countdown, letterbox and widescreen support.
    Consider HP+2 and OD+1 to make a better spread with Futsuu ? If the setting is too low, it would be too easy to pass the difficulty.
  1. 00:25:924 (31) - you may delete this note for simplicity since the snappings among 00:25:249 (30,31,32,33) - are quite complicated for Kantan.
  2. 00:48:845 (57) - consider removing finish here ? It is a bit overemphasized imo.
  3. 01:02:328 (76) - deleting this note for a 4/1 break would help beginners to rest before the dense kiai.
  4. 01:13:114 (92) - this note could also be deleted if you apply ^
  5. 01:22:553 (106) - same as 00:25:924 (31) -
  • [Futsuu]

    Disable countdown, letterbox and widescreen support.
  1. 00:43:115 (101) - this note could be deleted to shorten the 1/1 pattern and give a 2/1 break.
  2. 00:48:845 (115) - same as Kantan
  3. 01:02:665 (151) - this note could be deleted if you apply the suggestion at 01:02:328 (76) - in Kantan. This would make a better spread with Muzukashii as well.
  4. 01:09:744 (168,169) - maybe swap these notes to D K to make hitsounds more consistent with Kantan ?
  5. 01:13:452 (177) - same as 01:02:665 (151) -
  • [Muzukashii]

    Disable widescreen support.
    Maybe HP+1 to make the setting a bit harder than Futsuu ?
  1. 00:05:530 (17,18) - consider swapping these notes to k d for the vocal ? This would be more consistent with the lower difficulties too.
  2. 00:42:103 (163) - It seems that moving this note to 00:42:272 - would result in a smoother flow.
  3. 00:48:845 (190) - same as Kantan
  4. 00:57:777 (225) - this note could be deleted for one more 3/2 break.
  5. 00:59:463 (232,234) - swapping these notes to d k would follow the background pitch in a way better.
  6. 01:26:766 (356) - maybe delete this note to shorten the 1/2 pattern a bit ? You may change 01:26:598 (355) - to k afterwards to improve the flow.
  • [Oni]

    Disable countdown and letterbox.
  1. 00:28:283 (160) - maybe k as you did in Muzukashii for the vocal ?
  2. 01:20:278 (449) - move to 01:20:109 - and change to d ? Currently the pattern is too similar to the previous 01:17:329 (431,432,433,434,435,436,437,438,439) - , which would be a bit plain imo.
  3. 01:20:867 (454) - you may also change this note to d to vary the pattern further.
About the wording "(TV Size)", it can be used only if there are official sources supporting its existence.

You may call me back after that~ :D
Topic Starter
climbb65588

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

Hi, here comes a taiko mod as requested.

  • [General]
  1. It would be better to shift the BG slightly downward so that the clock could be more visible.
  2. You may want to lower the hitsound volume by 10% since the current one is too loud imo.
  • [Kantan]

    Disable countdown, letterbox and widescreen support.
    Consider HP+2 and OD+1 to make a better spread with Futsuu ? If the setting is too low, it would be too easy to pass the difficulty.
  1. 00:25:924 (31) - you may delete this note for simplicity since the snappings among 00:25:249 (30,31,32,33) - are quite complicated for Kantan.
  2. 00:48:845 (57) - consider removing finish here ? It is a bit overemphasized imo.
  3. 01:02:328 (76) - deleting this note for a 4/1 break would help beginners to rest before the dense kiai.
  4. 01:13:114 (92) - this note could also be deleted if you apply ^
  5. 01:22:553 (106) - same as 00:25:924 (31) -
All Fixed

  • [Futsuu]

    Disable countdown, letterbox and widescreen support.
  1. 00:43:115 (101) - this note could be deleted to shorten the 1/1 pattern and give a 2/1 break.
  2. 00:48:845 (115) - same as Kantan
  3. 01:02:665 (151) - this note could be deleted if you apply the suggestion at 01:02:328 (76) - in Kantan. This would make a better spread with Muzukashii as well.
  4. 01:09:744 (168,169) - maybe swap these notes to D K to make hitsounds more consistent with Kantan ?
  5. 01:13:452 (177) - same as 01:02:665 (151) -
All Fixed

  • [Muzukashii]

    Disable widescreen support.
    Maybe HP+1 to make the setting a bit harder than Futsuu ?

    Fixed
  1. 00:05:530 (17,18) - consider swapping these notes to k d for the vocal ? This would be more consistent with the lower difficulties too.
    I agree that k would be more suitable for the first note, but I'll keep the second note no change since a d is wired when there is no significant beat or melody behind.
  2. 00:42:103 (163) - It seems that moving this note to 00:42:272 - would result in a smoother flow.
  3. 00:48:845 (190) - same as Kantan
  4. 00:57:777 (225) - this note could be deleted for one more 3/2 break.
  5. 00:59:463 (232,234) - swapping these notes to d k would follow the background pitch in a way better.
  6. 01:26:766 (356) - maybe delete this note to shorten the 1/2 pattern a bit ? You may change 01:26:598 (355) - to k afterwards to improve the flow.
Fixed all the remaining mods.

  • [Oni]

    Disable countdown and letterbox.
  1. 00:28:283 (160) - maybe k as you did in Muzukashii for the vocal ?
    Fixed.
  2. 01:20:278 (449) - move to 01:20:109 - and change to d ? Currently the pattern is too similar to the previous 01:17:329 (431,432,433,434,435,436,437,438,439) - , which would be a bit plain imo.
  3. 01:20:867 (454) - you may also change this note to d to vary the pattern further.
All fixeds, and I've further change 01:21:036 (455) - to be K as kkd D is not beautiful imo.

About the wording "(TV Size)", it can be used only if there are official sources supporting its existence.

The official album of this song doesn't contain the TV Size ver., so I think it should be okay for no "TV Size" in the title.

You may call me back after that~ :D
Nardoxyribonucleic
Upon some minor fixes regarding note constellations and breaks, the lower difficulties now have sufficient rest moments and the set is generally nice with carefully arranged patterns according to the drums.

Bubbled~
OnosakiHito
We changed one kat to don in the Muzukashii and added composer into the tags.
Difficulties are a bit harder than usual due to density, but that should be fine. Spread is really good.
It should be fine on it's current state. Let's see what the other QATs will say.

Another example how upcoming TMT would work.

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toara_fict
wow Gratz :3
OzzyOzrock
i love you climbb >w</
Charlotte
gratz :)
Topic Starter
climbb65588
Thanks everyone and thanks Nardo & Ono :3
Finally a ranked taiko mapset >w<
An Copolo
damn son
Surono

An Copolo wrote:

damn son
son? are you name is fuq yu men?

u break nice record 1 page ;_;
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