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Sern888
11:00 UTC +0
17:00 UTC +8

11+8 = 17
Dj Spada
waiting for the next schedule,


i hope this tournament not a meme. :>
Kephin
the schedule of Indonesia vs SAR also has the same mistake in time converting

I think ingen converted it wrong because his time zone is UTC+2, and adding 6 hours to Malaysia and 5 hours to Indonesia

just saying
Cryolien
Now that you mention it, it could be that
sankansuki
even on the correct time still no match?

what great management
WB FangSy
when i saw that , i found Koeran team had been changed 2 time after registeration finished

why?



in the end of Sep


last week



don't tell me "some of them be banned in osu"

today i heard that you changed the rule after Oct 17th like this




but in the last floor about your tournament new system was 12days ago in this page (Oct 21st) t/349167/start=75

and you also didn't tell us about "a captain can change the team members before Oct 17th"

if you told us maybe we also changed our team and made it more perfect than before

and this is first time that i herad about a tournament can change team members after registeration finished , rediculous

Ingen1334 wrote:

Kephin MIT is not going to be close.

Then FangSy, yes, i helped Korea this year to register, because first time, a player leave osu!, 2nd time a player is banned, 3rd times 2 players leave, i wanted just to help team like i did every time.

Like Pope Gadget pm on private for asked to change a match hour, i try my best for help players

Steins, it's because i care about players, i helped UK, Korea, because i wanted just they take pleasure in MIT, unfortunally MIT Group Stage was not good but i'm currently working on that for improve MIT during round of 16.
juankristal
Argentina is out of this tournament. Sorry Ingen but we just cant/dont want to play.
projectc1
this tournament become more sad when all match schedule today was somehow canceled...

it's a shame and also i don't even know what to say anymore
sankansuki
Australia is also out of this tournament

tried to make this work but it just didn't
WB FangSy
After MIT postponed 5 weeks

After you changed the date with "live of pools" 3 time

After you got up late on "Round of 16" started and then even blame your staff/referee said that it was not your problem

After you got a big mistake with all countries time in Quarter Final

After many countries left and more and more countries WBD and WBD again, you just said they left also wasn't your problem .

After you changed the MIT system when MIT was running

After 3 time(group stage have one, round 16 WBD and this week), when all of our teammates online, and then you told match couldn't be continued. i know, when you see that , you will say to me "why this is my problem?"

After the registeration finished, you changed Koeran team members 2 time and said that it just because you want to help more partcipants to make them can join MIT better? I said that before, this is the first time that i herad about a tournament can change team members after registeration finished.

Just because you want to help more partcipants to make them can join MIT better? why not let them win every match by defult and give them #1 place immediatly?

this is unfair, is partial, is ridiculious

when you messaged to me and said "you only can trust yourself" and blamed your staff again, I message to you to gave your some idea about MIT and just said a word about you were a selfless person and then? you shared that message to other people and finally they told to me and gave me the pic about your chat record

ingen, you make all of us angry, all of us all of Chinese team members don't want to join this tournament now, also before, but i hold them don't let them leave before.

but now, I m tired. this tournament is totally ridiculious. goog game
-Konner-
Well, at least there is a lesson that can be learnt from all of this. Assuming that a guy like that can move on. Just think about everything that has happened in this tournament and previous tournaments. Take in all of what the participants have had to say. Basically do anything which avoids this situation in the future.

#crai4 WB FangSy 2015



Edit: Also, maybe you should consider not harassing your map selectors when you have made sudden changes to the structure of your tournament.
Topic Starter
Ingen1334
FangSy

I postponed 5 weeks MIT ? Never

Yes date to live of pools, a date where you're presence is not required. I said why i was not there during Group Stage, if you're not able to understand or read, i'm sorry but it's not my fault. All countries time, no it was the first 3 countries in the MIT, all the other match was in time then, i was there for referee for your match against Korea, but China was not connected. Yes win by default, did you asked the team, why these win by default in round of 16 ? I don't think. Then about hours, yes i mistake on first 3 matchs, but UTC+0 was good.

About Korea, yes i helped Korea, but they didn't change the team just for fun, i said and wrote, it was due to a problem with a player, so it's a fact to a problem.

Changed MIT system, all players asked to change the system because match so long, So it was necessary to find a solution.

Message me for give me idea ? No FangSy, it's false, you never sent any council. Yes i shared your message to Sern and i spoke with richardfeder, of course, you spoke in chinese and these guys are chinese. I shared a sentence with them not your entirely message.
Kephin
Indonesia is giving one last chance, if problem exists next week (especially about our match), we will bid farewell too.
Do your best, and please don't mess up next week.
Rori Vidi Veni
This informative post will be deleted anyway, just move along
Loctav
Okay, seriously now. Stop making fun of this. Ingen has troubles understanding English and can partially be a bit stubborn, fine. You can criticize that. Moreover, Cryolien, I hoped that the MWC teached you with the BIG FAT DISCLAIMER I SENT TO EVERYONE that you should only rely on the UTC times. It is your very own fault to not pick up the UTC times and calculate the match times out of it by yourself.
Sure the wrong calculated time CAN be misleading, but errors happen and you should never blindly rely on assistive times that have been calculated from the absolute true one (here UTC time). It's not only Ingen's fault here, but also your own. So stop pinpointing that.

I recommend everyone to calm the fuck down on this and rather help Ingen to pick up the track of this tournament properly, instead of making fun of each other.

However your stance towards this tournament is, you are free to forfeit like always, but making fun of others and harassing them is not an option. If you want to criticize something, do it constructively.

It is more disgusting that everyone is just pissing on someone's efforts, signing up for a tournament, promise some sort of commitment and then do not show up. Whoever does this dickmoves is the one to blame, not the tournament host. They are not free from errors, but behaving like a big rioting mass of ignorant people is not helping anyone.

That's why we can't have nice things.
Kamikaze
Loctav, the reason why this was happening is because of backstage things going on which in short were looking like Ingen was pissing on his staff's efforts to make this tournament enjoyable even tho Ingen himself failed on many fronts. I do not wish to be involved in all this mess, but "pissing on someone's efforts (...)" point is not appropriate imo due to circumstances involved. We (staff and players) tried to help Ingen at first, but he rejected most of staff's ideas and went full on blockhead mode only making changes after pepole went berserk on him.
Whether Ingen deserved this or not is a subject for another discussion. But everyone saw that coming sooner or later after group stage.
Anyway, I hope that next tournaments won't end up like that.
shARPII
We'll have a discussion with Ingen as well.

You're free to explain your thoughts and show you disagree with real facts, not destroying him publicly without any other purpose than hurting someone.
This is two opposite things and some players seem to confuse both.

Hope we can have a better topic, even if the tournament continues or not.
Loctav

-Kamikaze- wrote:

Loctav, the reason why this was happening is because of backstage things going on which in short were looking like Ingen was pissing on his staff's efforts to make this tournament enjoyable even tho Ingen himself failed on many fronts. I do not wish to be involved in all this mess, but "pissing on someone's efforts (...)" point is not appropriate imo due to circumstances involved. We (staff and players) tried to help Ingen at first, but he rejected most of staff's ideas and went full on blockhead mode only making changes after pepole went berserk on him.
Whether Ingen deserved this or not is a subject for another discussion. But everyone saw that coming sooner or later after group stage.
Anyway, I hope that next tournaments won't end up like that.
This is constructive criticism and this is totally valid. What others are doing is simply harrassment and I will issue penalties to everyone continuing to do so.
-Konner-
I probably would have stayed and helped if i wasn't constantly told to "stop your shit Konner" and blamed in every post and message which was sent out to players (which i only know about because of the players showing them to me and telling me how offended they were by those messages).

Honestly, it is not worth the time and effort trying to get through to Ingen. I spent a few days doing so and kept getting more blunt and serious with each message but none of it lead to anything. I Also offered to take over in organisation but that offer didn't even receive a response. It was completely ignored.

I do agree that constant shitposting and flaming is a bad idea. However, Ingen has made so many people angry in the background and hasn't made any effort to calm the fires of what he has done. So in all honesty, it is on him. I am sorry if you think that this post is out of line but i know a lot of what happened during the group stages. I was basically the one doing all of the organising of players during that stage. If Ingen disagrees with this, there are many players who can tell you otherwise.
Ascendance
I guess it's in every team's right to quit the tournament, but if you're going to quit, it's better not to spill so much shit on the way out... It's best to resolve things in pm with Ingen, and if he doesn't want to listen then there is no point in continuing to argue with him. Just leave, wait for the conclusion of the tournament, and then bring up your issues. If the issues are so bad that they need to be discussed immediately, just pm him or a member of Tournament Management.

A lot of stuff is said here about "this tournament is just getting worse", but imo, creating more drama than there already is isn't helping it. Just be patient and hopefully we can resolve these things with more peaceful means... Maybe Ingen will rethink some things staff has said and accept some new ideas.
Topic Starter
Ingen1334
I'm sorry but i disagree in some parts. Kami yes i waited end to Group Stage and not during, then it's false because Steins told me to add more referees, i did. I changed MIT system due to a decision with my map selectors, in more you're guy who gave most ideas and i listened you. I disagree with the fact some players say we wanted help you. I accepted help to players wanted to help me and don't shout on me for them pleasure.

I accepted help to my staff, if MIT changed it's due to learn to my staff, i can't accept that Kami. Yes i had problems with two members due to personal reason i disagree and not with them work, to my staff but all the others are always here.

But of couse, much players here forget to say, the threat or insult against me, like you Kami. I accepted ideas to my staff after Group Stage because it was necessary. Then i apologizes to every players. Then about say Ingen didn't manage the players, it's false, 5 matchs had no referees in Group Stage and yes i was not there due to my health but everyone seems don't understand that. And 1 match had problems to referees because my internet dropped.= but i sent apologizes to everyone, then everyone forget to say about boycott organise by a mania group than 2 guys here posted support

Then i listen players, i just spoke with Halogen for have his bracket because i have no answers from editors. About MIT now, MIT semi-final will be 14 and 15 November for know who continue MIT and let Korea and China play them match.
aitor98

Ascendance wrote:

I guess it's in every team's right to quit the tournament, but if you're going to quit, it's better not to spill so much shit on the way out... It's best to resolve things in pm with Ingen, and if he doesn't want to listen then there is no point in continuing to argue with him. Just leave, wait for the conclusion of the tournament, and then bring up your issues. If the issues are so bad that they need to be discussed immediately, just pm him or a member of Tournament Management.

A lot of stuff is said here about "this tournament is just getting worse", but imo, creating more drama than there already is isn't helping it. Just be patient and hopefully we can resolve these things with more peaceful means... Maybe Ingen will rethink some things staff has said and accept some new ideas.
I talked with Ingen and I think that now he's able to hear people ideas, or things like that. Okey, Ingen did it wrong, he tried to fix it, he had a mistake with the schedules, that can happen, but there was other mistake. All the blame of this thread was unnecessary at all. If there was no blame, I think this tournament would go forward better than now. Ingen is trying as hard as he can to fix all this, and at least finish this. The replies of this thread are not helping in nothing of Ingen. More pressure, stress.... Those conditions are hard for work. And Ingen is not guilty of the abscence of his staff. He is not god, he can't manage all the tournament, that's why a staff exists. And other thing is, the countries. Some countries left the tournament because of all the shit that is going on. At least I wanna thank those teams who at least said "hey, we're not going to participate more" or something like that. There were some teams that they didn't say nothing, they didn't even go to the match, they did NOTHING and Ingen and his staff waited 30 minutes for at least an answer. Yes, 30 minutes may be too much but, he wanted to assure that the match wasn't going to be WBD.

Ingen is doing a hard work, maybe not a perfect work, but maybe other one would leave out this tournament long ago. I just wanna thank to Ingen for staying strong and bringing forward this tournament.
Ascendance

aitor98 wrote:

Ascendance wrote:

I guess it's in every team's right to quit the tournament, but if you're going to quit, it's better not to spill so much shit on the way out... It's best to resolve things in pm with Ingen, and if he doesn't want to listen then there is no point in continuing to argue with him. Just leave, wait for the conclusion of the tournament, and then bring up your issues. If the issues are so bad that they need to be discussed immediately, just pm him or a member of Tournament Management.

A lot of stuff is said here about "this tournament is just getting worse", but imo, creating more drama than there already is isn't helping it. Just be patient and hopefully we can resolve these things with more peaceful means... Maybe Ingen will rethink some things staff has said and accept some new ideas.
I talked with Ingen and I think that now he's able to hear people ideas, or things like that. Okey, Ingen did it wrong, he tried to fix it, he had a mistake with the schedules, that can happen, but there was other mistake. All the blame of this thread was unnecessary at all. If there was no blame, I think this tournament would go forward better than now. Ingen is trying as hard as he can to fix all this, and at least finish this. The replies of this thread are not helping in nothing of Ingen. More pressure, stress.... Those conditions are hard for work. And Ingen is not guilty of the abscence of his staff. He is not god, he can't manage all the tournament, that's why a staff exists. And other thing is, the countries. Some countries left the tournament because of all the shit that is going on. At least I wanna thank those teams who at least said "hey, we're not going to participate more" or something like that. There were some teams that they didn't say nothing, they didn't even go to the match, they did NOTHING and Ingen and his staff waited 30 minutes for at least an answer. Yes, 30 minutes may be too much but, he wanted to assure that the match wasn't going to be WBD.

Ingen is doing a hard work, maybe not a perfect work, but maybe other one would leave out this tournament long ago. I just wanna thank to Ingen for staying strong and bringing forward this tournament.
Yeah Ingen is a good person for setting up MIT, sure nothing is perfect and there are some issues, but for the next MIT, expect these to be resolved, as things get better through time!
Topic Starter
Ingen1334
In more i want added i always trust to come back to teams in MIT, Brazil, UK, Netherlands, i was your referees because i trusted you come back and i was your referees for show you, i'm here, i'm not doing something other like some thinks.

Then yes i had problems with members to my staff but t's personal, i can't accept a guy send a message to players for say i'm doing bad works and support a boycott. Help and organise a boycott is different.

Do you think organise a boycott after 1 round was normal, No. You didn't let any second chance to me than i heard i did mistakes and i changed that for you. Then i didn't insult or threat any map selectors. I guess someone said that for support the things but Blocko, Ziem and Skalim will told you the true. Same i never insulted Marirose leaved with a bad mappool and not finish.

Yes i have problems to health, so i'm not able to manage match on morning and nights but referees was there for round of 16. Because i listened your comments.

Just for add to aitor, yes i'm kind with all of them, because Korea was there for his match, the full team, they respected the UTC, like Indonesia and SAR. Not China
Kamikaze
Funny thing is that you accepted things that I've said alongside Ziemniak and Skalim (took a while as well) that were mostly Konner's ideas that I talked throughwith him, and you straight up ignored them when he said it.
I wasn't anywhere near the epicenter of this catastrophy, but I saw most of the things you said to him and "stop your shit" was probably the #1 most common phrase used, which can give an image of what the situation looked like. Which is you being incredibly dense about some things. For example any sort of change in the tournament structure. If you're trying hard to improve the tournament then fine, so be it but damage has been done and this is something you cannot repair and you have to accept the punishment for it. Saying "stop your shit" to me, konner, or anyone else from the staff frequently is at least unacceptable given your situation. I'm sure those who were in the epicenter of this mess can say way more about it. For now, consider me as a bystander, I'm not going to post here anymore, nor follow this event any further.
Finishing up mappools will take me 30 minutes and won't bother me anyway, so I'll do it, don't worry about it.
I hope you'll learn your lesson.
Topic Starter
Ingen1334
Yes i said that because sent to every players, i'm not good and you'll must leave MIT is not a good things. And you, you don't remember, you insulted and threat me. You told me i insulted Halogen and players in them back than it's false. I said that to 3 members, but i let you pleasure to ask every members to the staff. But of course you don't, because you think 3 guys are egual to 15. Then I always respected every players here, same if they didn't show up.

I'll not accept lesson or help to guy who try to destroy effort. I'm free for speak with every players in pm, i spoke with FelipeLink, he understood me but he came kindly.

ShaRPII, i'll be okay for discuss with you.
-Konner-
I think that you are not understand the difference between sharing information and boycotting. I sent out a message to explain some issues to people and to give them a warning about what might happen. The message that i had sent, had multiple parts which said that "The tournament is not currently cancelled and i do not know what is happening at this time". At no point did i tell people not to attend matches or the tournament in general.
Kephin
okay it seems that you guys are trying to sort things out..
Ingen, as a participant I want to ask the same question again, is this tournament still going with your new schedule? (my match is appointed on Saturday this week btw)

Edit : this tournament is still in quarter-final stage.. I believe you already know lol
Topic Starter
Ingen1334
And you sent to players to don't continue to participate, than you don't have to do that. This is how i won't continue to work with you but like i said it's personal.

Kephin, i jut didn't updated MIT 1st page and yes still in quarter final
-Konner-

Ingen1334 wrote:

And you sent to players to don't continue to participate

-Konner- wrote:

At no point did i tell people not to attend matches or the tournament in general.
Are you implying that i am lying? You can ask players if you like, there is none who i told or asked not to participate. You blamed me for players not participating even before i left so you are clearly just looking for someone to blame.
[Crz]DpXiaodong
It's true that Ingen had did a great job in solving all kinds of problems . And I felt greatful about he help me work out the problem of stream. But I wanna say that the management are quiet now . So..did Ingen solve the problem by himself? Or he talk to someone one by one or he had create another group? China team had been piss off just because the tournament had made too much mistake , and the issue of schedule can't be forgiven.
By the way, did everyone remember what Ingen said while he hold up tournament the first time?
The tournament were hold for fun! Don't be serious like that guys.
Please,Join it with a entertaining heart.
projectc1
is this tournament still up ?

because i havent see any mappoll, result at quarter-final (+ sudden match at wednesday) or new match schedule.

also i f i can suggest something to ingen, please next time bring some of your trustable friend to be your translator to help you communicate with your staff because from what i can see in this thread, you're bad at communicate with some staff and it really affect so much that this tornament become really mess up because of your poor communication.

and also this year is even messier than last year, i already anticipated that you'll get trouble at group stage but never thought it would be this train-wreck at all. -_-
Topic Starter
Ingen1334
No it's still up but like i said, i wait answer to team for know who continue MIT. Currently 3, so i wait always
Halogen-
Yeah, like... with this much of a layover, I was really hoping to at least see a map-pool. =/
Topic Starter
Ingen1334
I wait answer to USA, if USA is always up we can continue semi-final and final easily
-Squishy
Why do you need to wait?
If the team doesn't show up its a loss for them, and they can tell you anytime if they want to forfeit. It shouldn't be hard to update the thread if teams decide to bail out on the last minute.
Kephin

Squishykorean wrote:

Why do you need to wait?
If the team doesn't show up its a loss for them, and they can tell you anytime if they want to forfeit. It shouldn't be hard to update the thread if teams decide to bail out on the last minute.
frankly speaking, I think the same also
in fact ingen, you're the organizer, so you're the one who decide.. you don't need to wait for anyone
Steins
Let's finish this ~
-Squishy
Any news on MIT? It's been two weeks so the matches should start tomorrow yet there is no map pool nor schedule.
Kephin

Squishykorean wrote:

Any news on MIT? It's been two weeks so the matches should start tomorrow yet there is no map pool nor schedule.
I think ingen is still waiting for your country's answer.
if not, then he's waiting for mappools
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