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Discussion with two muslims on fightcade

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Aqo
Thought this might be interesting. A recording of a chat I had in the lobby of a certain online game. Note that I was playing matches with somebody during the start, I marked the part where I finished my matches and joined the chat with a red asterisk.

<TokuChyeAlpha2000> god job man
<Espeon> ggs
<FightCade.[Jijel]> fuck u israel
<FightCade.[Jijel]> bitch of world
<FightCade.[Jijel]> israel terrorism
<FightCade.[Jijel]> bitch terrorism
<FightCade.[Jijel]> dont came to this room bitch
<FightCade.[Jijel]> damn for you
<FightCade.[Jijel]> Aqo terrorism bitch
<FightCade.[Jijel]> you still here
<FightCade.[Jijel]> get out
<FightCade.[Jijel]> bitch
<FightCade.[Jijel]> this room has become a wafting smell of blood
<FightCade.[Jijel]> get out bitch
<FightCade.[Jijel]> monky
<FightCade.[Jijel]> donky
<FightCade.[Jijel]> terrorism
<FightCade.[Jijel]> terrorist
<System> To replay your match, type /replay challenge-9434-1436656064.92@samsh5sp
<FightCade.[Jijel]> u see
<FightCade.[Jijel]> bitch here from israel
<FightCade.[Jijel]> get out bich
<FightCade.[Jijel]> terrorist
<FightCade.[Jijel]> fuck you terrorist
<saide> nn FightCade.[Jijel]
<FightCade.[Jijel]> what
<saide> ليست اخلاق النبي
<saide> عليه الصلاة و السلام
<FightCade.[Jijel]> i know
<FightCade.[Jijel]> but he is from israel
<FightCade.[Jijel]> i dont xare
<FightCade.[Jijel]> i dont car
<saide> اعلم ذلك
<saide> ندعوه للاسلام
<FightCade.[Jijel]> are u made
<FightCade.[Jijel]> anta majnon ??
<FightCade.[Jijel]> i want to kill him
<saide> لماذا ؟
<saide> لربما يسلم على يدنا
<saide> Aqo you are muslim ?
<FightCade.[Jijel]> these people
<FightCade.[Jijel]> afflicted with the curse of Moses
<FightCade.[Jijel]> and u know that
<saide> yes
<saide> but let me ask him
<FightCade.[Jijel]> god's wrath on them
<saide> Aqo you are muslim man ?
<FightCade.[Jijel]> everything is over for them
<FightCade.[Jijel]> and this shit man Aqo know this well
<saide> he dont talk !
<FightCade.[Jijel]> for this they make mischief in the land
<saide> دعنا منه
<saide> لن يتكلم
<FightCade.[Jijel]> if he muslim
<FightCade.[Jijel]> he will talk with you
<FightCade.[Jijel]> but u know , he is ....
<saide> الله يهديه للاسلام
<FightCade.[Jijel]> no
<FightCade.[Jijel]> i dont like this
<FightCade.[Jijel]> let him suffer in hell
<FightCade.[Jijel]> he and his people
<saide> لا يا اخي ، نحن ندعوهم فان ابو فقد طلموا انفسهم
<FightCade.[Jijel]> saide
<saide> نعم
<FightCade.[Jijel]> this man know everything about islam
<saide> اعلم
<saide> يعلمون عن ديننا ما لا تعلم
<FightCade.[Jijel]> and he know islam is the last religion
<FightCade.[Jijel]> but i told you
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<Aqo> lol
<Aqo> why do you think I'd be muslim
<FightCade.[Jijel]> and u know
<Aqo> lmao
<FightCade.[Jijel]> god's wrath on them
<FightCade.[Jijel]> becoz this
<FightCade.[Jijel]> everything is over for them
<saide> Aqo you want login in islam ?
<FightCade.[Jijel]> why kill Palestinians
<Aqo> because hammas fire rockets at us
<FightCade.[Jijel]> Palestinians have blood green ??
<Aqo> tell them to stop and we won't fire back
<FightCade.[Jijel]> why sow Jewish tree
<FightCade.[Jijel]> because they will not speak
<FightCade.[Jijel]> you know this
<Aqo> ?
<FightCade.[Jijel]> stupid hhh
<Aqo> I don't care about religion, I'm completely atheist
<FightCade.[Jijel]> ah
<Aqo> people should respect their neighbours
<Aqo> if you can't even do that, you fail as a human being
<FightCade.[Jijel]> you don't have land
<FightCade.[Jijel]> god's wrath on you
<Aqo> lol....
<saide> FightCade.[Jijel]
<FightCade.[Jijel]> u play the role of the fool
<FightCade.[Jijel]> oui saide
<saide> لقد قال كلاما معقولا نوعا ما
<saide> انه غير مؤمن اصلا
<FightCade.[Jijel]> do you believe him
<FightCade.[Jijel]> ???
<FightCade.[Jijel]> he like divel
<saide> نحن لا يهمنا ان يكون صادقا مهنا
<saide> معنا
<saide> ان يكون صادقا مع ربه هو الاهم
<FightCade.[Jijel]> okok this is not problem
<FightCade.[Jijel]> we in the last world
<FightCade.[Jijel]> now
<saide> يجب ان نقنعه بوجود الله
<FightCade.[Jijel]> hell wait you Aqo
<FightCade.[Jijel]> you and your ppl
<Aqo> my best wishes to you
<Aqo> I hope your future generations get better education
<Aqo> and that we can finally learn to live together in the future
<FightCade.[Jijel]> hhhh
<FightCade.[Jijel]> stupid
<FightCade.[Jijel]> u relly stupid
<FightCade.[Jijel]> if we arab strong
<FightCade.[Jijel]> all world well become muslim
<Aqo> I have lots of arab friends here
<FightCade.[Jijel]> ok
<Aqo> and we all get along great
<saide> aqo Do you believe in Allah?
<Aqo> you don't need to be muslim or any other religion
<Aqo> no, saide, I don't believe in any gods
<FightCade.[Jijel]> but god want to put men like you and ur ppl in hell
<Aqo> I believe in people
<FightCade.[Jijel]> ok
<FightCade.[Jijel]> becoz this
<Aqo> gods are just imaginary figures people created in the past when they needed someone to guide them
<Aqo> today people are smart enough to guide themselves
<FightCade.[Jijel]> in the last world will be strong
<Aqo> but some people are still stuck in the past
<Aqo> and don't know how to move on
<FightCade.[Jijel]> and we will kill ur ppl
<Aqo> does your god tell you to kill people?
<FightCade.[Jijel]> then you will go to hell
<Aqo> does Allah think murder is good?
<Aqo> as far as I know
<Aqo> Allah said you should respect all people of all religions
<Aqo> so what you're saying makes no sense
<Aqo> you're talking like a terrorist
<FightCade.[Jijel]> listen
<saide> Aqo
<FightCade.[Jijel]> do u know what say god in koran
<saide> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kSFz9HuWmM
<saide> watch this
<FightCade.[Jijel]> god say in koran , If a person meets the devil and will not be able to create a fly
<FightCade.[Jijel]> only fly
<Aqo> the devil is your desire to hurt others
<FightCade.[Jijel]> the fly its very small
<Aqo> the real god is your choice to help people improve their lives
<Aqo> if you really want to have a god in your life, focus on making the world a better place
<FightCade.[Jijel]> and you said <Aqo> today people are smart enough to guide themselves
<FightCade.[Jijel]> hhhhh
<Aqo> not a place with violence and conflict
<FightCade.[Jijel]> stupid
<Aqo> if you're smart and educated
<Aqo> then you don't need a concept of a god
<Aqo> to know the right way
<Aqo> that the most important thing is respecting and helping other people
<FightCade.[Jijel]> ok
<Aqo> you can decide this on your own
<FightCade.[Jijel]> i want to ask you
<FightCade.[Jijel]> can i ask you
<Aqo> you can ask anything
<Aqo> but it's 3AM so I'm leaving soon
<FightCade.[Jijel]> Imagine yourself in the desert
<FightCade.[Jijel]> Then I found Palace
<FightCade.[Jijel]> I entered the palace and found an empty palace
<FightCade.[Jijel]> Then I went out and found a man
<FightCade.[Jijel]> then asked him
<FightCade.[Jijel]> For whom is this palace
<FightCade.[Jijel]> He told you
<FightCade.[Jijel]> It does not belong to any one
<FightCade.[Jijel]> Then you asked him
<FightCade.[Jijel]> Who built ?
<FightCade.[Jijel]> Then you say the man
<FightCade.[Jijel]> Water came alone
<FightCade.[Jijel]> Then mingled with the dust
<FightCade.[Jijel]> then became clay
<FightCade.[Jijel]> then became stones
<FightCade.[Jijel]> then became Palace
<FightCade.[Jijel]> u will believe him ?
<Aqo> huh
<FightCade.[Jijel]> u will believe him ?
<Aqo> believe which part?
<Aqo> he didn't make any claim
<FightCade.[Jijel]> this only home
<FightCade.[Jijel]> not earth
<FightCade.[Jijel]> everything
<FightCade.[Jijel]> story
<FightCade.[Jijel]> you cant believe him
<Aqo> I don't get your question
<Aqo> person A asked person B who made the palace
<Aqo> person B had no way of knowing, so he assumed people made it, since people usually build palaces
<Aqo> then they both witnessed a palace being made on its own, without people
<saide> he dont understand
<saide> FightCade.[Jijel]
<FightCade.[Jijel]> i know
<Aqo> showing that person B's claim might not have been correct
<Aqo> that doesn't really bring any point
<Aqo> nor did person A make any assumption on his own at any point
<FightCade.[Jijel]> i'll show him video
<Aqo> all he did was ask person B a question
<FightCade.[Jijel]> are u ready
<FightCade.[Jijel]> Aqo
<Aqo> Jijel
<Aqo> can I ask you a short question first
<Aqo> what do you find fun in life?
<Aqo> what is fun for you
<Aqo> have you ever thought about that?
<FightCade.[Jijel]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1RY0IqcoE4
<FightCade.[Jijel]> watch this
<Aqo> lol
<FightCade.[Jijel]> watch video then ask me
<Aqo> that video is funny
<Aqo> you're saying that having this information written in the past is proof of god?
<Aqo> there were many ancient civilizations who were very advanced a knew a ton of things
<FightCade.[Jijel]> yes from 1400 years ago
<Aqo> in ancient greece they could already calculate the directions of stars movement
<Aqo> without having any telescopes or computers
<Aqo> and that was over 2600 years ago
<FightCade.[Jijel]> watch full video
<Aqo> people were always very smart
<Aqo> I watched the video
<FightCade.[Jijel]> watch full video then talk
<Aqo> just because people had knowledge in the past that we assume they didn't
<Aqo> doesn't mean someone else gifted them this knowledge
<FightCade.[Jijel]> this video is 0.000001 % from koran
<Aqo> people always had talented individuals who could reveal things ahead of their time
<Aqo> Jijel, is koran your entire life?
<Aqo> do you want to do what you're being told by others every day?
<Aqo> don't you have your own decisions?
<FightCade.[Jijel]> these things need to Microscope
<Aqo> you don't *need* a microscope to come to conclusions
<Aqo> even if you don't see something with your own eyes
<FightCade.[Jijel]> or you made Microscope before 1400 years ago hhhh
<Aqo> you can understand how it works
<Aqo> or maybe this concept is too advanced for you
<Aqo> don't you have a mind of your own? don't you ever want to make decisions on how to live, instead of being told by others?
<Aqo> let me ask you again
<Aqo> what is fun for you in your life?
<Aqo> name one thing that you think is fun
<FightCade.[Jijel]> in my life
<FightCade.[Jijel]> when I worship God and worship him
<Aqo> that's your idea of fun?
<Aqo> really?
<Aqo> wow
<FightCade.[Jijel]> yes
<FightCade.[Jijel]> its the best
<Aqo> I'm shocked
<Aqo> your life must be really boring :(
<FightCade.[Jijel]> becoz im nothing agaist god
<Aqo> don't you have fun talking to friends?
<Aqo> discovering new things?
<Aqo> doing things together with others?
<saide> FightCade.[Jijel] your video is very good
<Aqo> or are all of those things meaningless to you
<Aqo> compared to worshipping god
<saide> thanks
<FightCade.[Jijel]> ty
<FightCade.[Jijel]> Aqo
<FightCade.[Jijel]> i'll tell you something
<saide> Aqo we sms is clear
<FightCade.[Jijel]> in koran god say
<saide> We do not force you
<Aqo> I don't want to force you to change, either
<Aqo> in my opinion everybody should live their lives in the way they find most fun
<saide> It's your choice$
<Aqo> that way you'll live a fullfilling life
<FightCade.[Jijel]> i cant to make you muslim
<Aqo> but if your most fun thing is worshipping god, well, for me this is very sad to hear
<Aqo> I feel like you're missing out on a lot of the fun things in life
<FightCade.[Jijel]> i can if can want
<FightCade.[Jijel]> i can if god want
<FightCade.[Jijel]> ok
<Aqo> sorry but to me
<Aqo> it feels like you're being brainwashed from a young age
<FightCade.[Jijel]> if you lucky god will make you muslim
<Aqo> to let the concept of god control your life
<Aqo> it makes your life very short and limited
<Aqo> it stops you from advancing and reaching new places
<saide> Do not forget we tell you that Aqo
<Aqo> I can respect a person for being muslim
<Aqo> or christian, or buddahist, or any other religion
<Aqo> but I can't accept a person who doesn't make their own life choices
<Aqo> and lets others make choices for them
<FightCade.[Jijel]> everybody will die some day
<saide> FightCade.[Jijel] i will go
<Aqo> I think if you live your entire life by listening to rules from others, and not making your own decisions, then you're not really living like a person
<Aqo> you're living like an object
<FightCade.[Jijel]> ok
<FightCade.[Jijel]> sa7a s7orak
<Aqo> good night
<FightCade.[Jijel]> ok but
<Aqo> Jijel, anyway, thank you
<FightCade.[Jijel]> came here again
<Aqo> you helped me understand certain people better
<FightCade.[Jijel]> will talk mor later
<Aqo> I will come because I want to play samsho5 :b
<FightCade.[Jijel]> ok
<FightCade.[Jijel]> and we will talk
<Ozzy-X> lekum dini kum ve li yedin
<FightCade.[Jijel]> good night
<Aqo> good night
EneT
TL;DR
You should just go suicide bomb together; bring mom with you.
Topic Starter
Aqo
you're not funny.


I was honestly quite shocked to see how much people let religion dictate their life. It feels like something out of a fiction story to me, never met a person like this in real life. I've seen a lot of crazy things, but a person who honestly responds to "what's your most fun thing in life" with "worshiping god" made me realize just what really is the reality in some places in this world are.

scary.

guess we can just be glad we weren't born to the wrong parents.
EneT
That guy's an extremist, with that shitty education that he got I'd be surprised if he wasn't.
Chokladboll
muslims ruined sweden
Bweh
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with letting religion dictate your life. Keyword here being inherent. Everybody worships something; it doesn't have to be an imaginary concept. That zeal could lead you to some great things and all the same it could take you down some terrible paths.
Granger
Would you agree that following the Islam like this is bad?

Shit man, i have no issues with the people but i can see that once they're the mayority here they begin slaughering everyone else or force them to join the islam because "god told them so".
Bweh
Yeah, that's bad.

It's just weird how you don't really see much of car bombs or any of that crazy shit until you throw Muslims into the mix.
Granger
Islam is peaceful and friendly religion, thats why.

...To be fair, i could see christians do the same back then with the holy crusades if they only had the tech for it.
Lets face it, its a rather good strategy, it totally shakens the enemies morale while also killing a good few. Its just the part where they kill their own troops i find really weird.
Bweh
You talking about car bombs?
Granger
That, and more so airplane kidnappings to drive them into buildings and suicide bombings. Ie, the crazy shit.
Bweh
I think a lot of people have done that throughout the course of history

What I meant, in my insomnia-induced stupor, is that most groups seem to be able to coexist in a relatively peaceful manner until the muslim crowd isn't a negligible portion of the local populace anymore. I'm not saying muslims are the only way a community goes to shit, but rather any community with a bunch of muslims goes to shit. And bad. Like, Rotherham bad.
Wojjan

Brian OA wrote:

I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with letting religion dictate your life.
damn bribri you say a lot of things i disagree with in these threads

what I think is inherently wrong with Jijel's attitude and the attitude of militantly religious Islamite people is that they assume the words of the Quran to be true as they are written - this is a problem, because the Quran does not just talk about religion, ethics, human understanding and the supernatural, but also applies mythology to things in the material world, which contradicts modern-day science. This bullshit should not happen, as much as you want to believe. Just like those creationist Bible teachings, there religion is treading outside its bounds. (Just as Aqo treads out of his bounds when scientifically tackling a fable from the Quran, equaling religion to a lack of education and lack of free will, ...) It isn't conducive to a religion to want to step into that ring and butt heads with scientific theory.

but we also have nothing to gain by hating and look at us, ey. I for one hate the whole lot of you

my name is woffboffs & i care about this topic a lot
EneT
But what if I told you that I love you?
Bweh

Wojjan wrote:

damn bribri you say a lot of things i disagree with in these threads
You say these things but then you don't hate me at the end of the day

I really feel like elaborating on things because I feel like we are talking past each other a bit but then I just get lazy into the third sentence. I don't disagree with what you've said, though.
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