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Slick

-Lemons wrote:

Wee

You asked me to look at blankets and whatnot so here you go<3

00:03:628 (6) - http://puu.sh/k2lyS/fd95a5fb46.jpg move it slightly over and bring up the anchor point for a better blanket

00:05:145 (1) - move the middle anchor to 448|304 , the big curve on that slider feels off to me

00:05:651 (3) - Rotate 6 degrees so it leads into the slider better, then move it to 180|272 for the blanket fixed

00:08:684 (4,5) - I don't like the placement of these, it feels like a really harsh flow for this part http://puu.sh/k2m1B/3d5f002500.jpg I think moving 00:08:684 (4) - to 196|268 winds up with a much better flow and it makes use of the curve on 00:09:022 (6) - fixed

00:11:550 (4) - Move this to 256|40, having it so close feels weird

00:19:471 (4,5) - http://puu.sh/k2nIa/84d39b6048.jpg

00:22:673 (1) - I would just make this a curved slider or make it completely blanket around 00:22:336 (3) - slider end, the current one looks a little funky fixed

00:25:875 (3,5) - http://puu.sh/k2nSQ/9f62614cbd.jpg I adjusted the last red anchor point to be closer to 5 and then moved the last white anchor point down slightly for a better blanket

00:28:404 (2,3,1) - polish 3 so that way the curve is the same as 2 and have it be a perfect blanket over the red slider that comes up like this http://puu.sh/k2lkk/e52b5f67a4.jpg

00:29:920 (2,3,4,5) - something like this makes the curve on the end of the slider 5 look better http://puu.sh/k2lpN/ea79dad0ed.jpg

00:34:640 (1,3) - These two sliders look a little off to me in the way they rest together but I don't really have a good suggestion
changed a little

00:40:707 (1,2,3,4,5) - the flow here is pretty janky, specifically in the back and forth from 4-5-1 don't know if I like it or not

00:44:246 (1,2) - Move both of these together so you don't break the blanket, but have 1 rest on the slider head of 00:43:572 (2) -

00:58:741 (2) - move the end anchor to 184|368 for a tighter blanket fixed

01:05:819 (1,3) - You could probably blanket the sliderhead of 3 with the curve at the end of 1 (if you did this you'd have to move 01:06:325 (3,4,1,2,3,1,2) - all of this with it as well, to keep everything looking pretty, so totally up to you)

01:08:179 (2,2) - http://puu.sh/k2pnH/e3d65179ac.jpg

02:05:482 (2,3) - these two seem awfully close but the blanket is fine it's just a very close up blanket and the rest of them are about the same distance
typically

02:08:684 (4) - Now I know that 4 is stacked on the end of the 2 slider, but I think having it be blanketed by the large curve on 3 winds up looking better, plus it makes use of that nice slider design that otherwise is just a very simple blanket on the end of 3 into 2. http://puu.sh/k2q7P/ea468ee085.jpg you could also just remake the slider design on 2 so it rests in the area. http://puu.sh/k2qfS/3e71fab1df.jpg I do know that doing something like this makes the jump from 2-3 a little smaller but obviously it's up to you

02:42:224 (2,3,1,2,1) - This here looks amazing and I love it to bits, however, but I think if you rotate 02:42:224 (2) - by -40 and then move the sliders so that way the spacing is the same it winds up looking even better as then you make use of the hole in 1. http://puu.sh/k2rxF/dadd88f638.jpg if you do this BE CAREFUL WITH 02:42:898 (1) - as it can go offscreen, i'd suggest if you do this just take the entire combo 02:41:381 (1,2,3,1,2,1) - and moving it up slightly

02:59:078 (1,1) - the angle of these two is slightly off if you wanted them to be parallel http://puu.sh/k2qL4/9352d5622a.jpg

04:39:527 (2) - move to 364|308 for a blanket on 1 and then move 04:40:201 (1) - to 380|128 to blanket it all nice and tidy fixed

should be all I can see that could need any sort of changes
Thank you, -Lemons!
Arphimigon

Cherry Blossom wrote:

1/2 and 1/4 which are difficult to recognize.
@slick - I had said this before, and lately I considered it a part of the mapping style so brushed it off, but I guess it could be better.

Midge wrote:

here's a reminder that my part is confirmed possible
Possible sure, diffspiking at the last minute of the map when there was a previous kiai of the exact same intensity? Not so sure. I'd like your part if the whole map was harder, but as of here it is a 4+ min killer.

Cherry Blossom wrote:

There is also a lot of "mapping quality issues", i highly recommend you to improve your map before getting it bubbled.
[Grimoire]
I'm going to go over big points ayy

00:04:471 (4,5,6) - This is spaced 1/4, there is no other spaced 1/4 in this section, although vaguely justifiable it is inconsistency in this part and either all parts should be spaced or none. Also this has a lower pitch than most the others too, so it would be logical to remove the spacing here.

00:06:325 (6,1,2,3,4) - Because of oval flow here, Slider start 4 seems too far left and it ends up a flow breaker. Move slider 4 more left along with the triples, ideally 384|284 would be great, but because of the leading next pattern and avoiding remaps, 304|296 for the slider start may suffice or slightly lower.

00:10:370 (7) - Please don't make this a clickable note, its weaker than the previous note and feels odd too in that motion. 00:10:201 (6) - Extend this as a slider instead.

00:30:089 (3,4,5) - These honestly need more spacing, clear vocal here. It was increased a lot more 00:19:302 (3,4,5) - there. Another reason for the change is to separate it from this small distancing 00:29:246 (1,2) - here by making it larger than that small spacing you can separate the clearly expressed vocal.

00:43:235 (1,2) - Way too large of a 1/4 snap for an early calm point like this with little punchy vocal. Not only is the spacing extreme, but the flow breaks by having to add a weird snap too to start the slider from the last. I'd change 00:43:235 (1,2,3) - this whole part into being a lot less snappy in the first two sliders, and possibly with more consistent spacing between each of the sliders with similar flow.

00:51:831 - I feel as though there has been this nagging sound gasping to be there, perhaps reduce the slider length and add a note to make a sort of slider that ends with a triple, or a slider than has a 1/2 break to the next note

00:54:190 - Vocal here should mean that the slider starts here not next, or consistency with 00:46:943 (1,2) - I think this would be best, as these things should at least come up at an even amount of times (do it twice then change) and either way it would be simpler. I can see why you would not want to add this though, that's fine.

00:56:802 (2) - This note makes a lot of sense on a sightread but it really isn't actually there and makes just as much sense without it, remove this note and add more spacing to the next 1/2 note.

00:58:404 (1,2,1) - After all the last long sliders, I feel there has been enough. These follow the held vocal, but I'd abuse the fact that the last slider has 1) lower pitch and 2) easy and clear instruments to make it shorter by 1/4. I also think a small mini-jump from 00:59:078 (1) - to the next note can be a great gateway into the forthcoming jumps.

01:00:089 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - Personally this part for me is a little distasteful for multiple reasons. This slider 01:00:426 (1) - feels all too complex to want to focus on after the sudden stream spacing, I would rather play a simple curve or line but nothing I may have to think twice about with leniency/speed, so I' simplify the slider. Next of all 01:00:426 (1,2,3,4,5) - the triples angle of play doesn't entirely compliment the angle needed to get to it, as 4 and 5 are to far to the left.

01:03:797 (4,5) - (rare cases for good extended sliders) you can represent these similar like held vocals with two 3/4 sliders imo, both are pretty similar, the second is lower pitch slightly but that isn't too big of a deal.

01:19:808 (2) - Too slow too sudden, would increase to around 0.85 or 0.9 if you truly want the decrease to show the lower pitch and held vocal, but not 0.75 as that can actually be offputting

01:22:336 (2) - Due to various playstyles and my own personal experience, corner notes are annoying as hell. In the corners spacing feels much higher than the center. It's fine to use the sides and corners but flow/spacing is real weird there, as from experience I'd say move the note to 36|80. Your call.

01:28:572 (1) - This Sv change is fine to represent the music but again it is a little high. I know you can play this whole slider without moving your cursor but it may come as a shock either way (I actually as a mater of fact got an 100 first time I ever played this...) reduce to 0.75 or 0.8, as 0.55 -> 0.9 is hella high

01:31:774 (1,2,3) - Curvy, 01:26:381 (2,3,4) - snappy. Please choose one for this sound. I prefer the first as the sounds are short, and well... snappy.

01:52:336 (2,3,4) - This is a little problematic. I like how it fits missed beats but it feels overmapped in a tapping sense. My only solution would be to make either one of 01:52:336 (2,3) - a slider or make the first a reverse. Personally I would make the first a slider and add a note.

02:02:786 (3) - This feels totally out of place, there is a lack of need for an extended slider at this time (were you trying to cover 02:02:617 - ?) making 02:02:954 - feel empty and I think that should have a sound played.

02:03:460 (6) - Whatever sound you decided to make this 1.28x SV on is hardly audible, and the slider should definately have lower SV. Definately makes reading the 1/4 gap (which is massive) a hard job

02:27:055 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - This is okay, but the slider angle is hard to hit after the jump from 3 to 4. Try this, it adds more curved flow and doesnt require remapping stuff:

02:29:415 - to 02:55:538 - should have much lower SV, it's so much calmer without constant kicks and has rather high SV for the music. I can't ask to remap, but just know I find that whole section too fast.

02:56:044 (1,2,1) - This was much more fitting when it was a stream

02:56:381 (1) - 3/4 slider and a note fits much more nicely here as 02:56:718 - is a clear clickable beat

03:03:797 (7,8,9) - NC either the 7 note or the 9 slider to further emphasize that epic electric sound as well as the current jagged slider?

03:05:145 (4,1,2) - This is kinda unreadable... the flow of going back and forth isn't really normal with 1/4 and I'd suggest moving 1 and 2 more right to make it seem easier to read

03:56:381 (3,4) - This spacing is way... way too high in conjunction with this flow-breaker this means you have to stop the curve of the slider to snap out iinto that next slider start, which in fact is near a side, with a higher spacing than most the other 1/4. Plently of reasons to make either the curve point more at the next slider, or reduce the distance.

03:56:718 (4,1) - This I'm not too sure about, since the straight movement can be more easily changed with another straight one. But my bets on it I'd still reduce to not add too much of a spike from the last one before.

04:29:499 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - You already know what I'm thinking but, simply use and easier pattern. You can start like this but not a whole 16 notes.

Enjoy
Topic Starter
Slick

Cherry Blossom wrote:

I'm lazy to bubble pop, just.
You can't silence both sliderticks and sliderslides together, i see a lot of sliders which have both silenced (consider 5% is silenced).
There is also a lot of "mapping quality issues" with 1/2 and 1/4 which are difficult to recognize. I don't really have time to check your map, but i highly recommend you to improve your map before getting it bubbled.

If i have time in future, i could help you with your map.
Good Luck ~
sliderslide & sliderticks fixed
Topic Starter
Slick

Arphimigon wrote:

00:30:089 (3,4,5) - These honestly need more spacing, clear vocal here. It was increased a lot more 00:19:302 (3,4,5) - there. Another reason for the change is to separate it from this small distancing 00:29:246 (1,2) - here by making it larger than that small spacing you can separate the clearly expressed vocal. fixed
Nyukai
So, the mapper requested a mod for this, we did IRC.

15:46 Slick: i'm back
15:46 Inyuschan: nice o3o
15:48 Inyuschan: well I guess you're ok with irc
15:49 Slick: yup
15:49 Inyuschan: (btw Kenterz is not BN anymore xD)
15:49 Slick: are you serious?
15:49 Slick: FUCK
15:49 Slick: okay
15:49 Inyuschan: yeah
15:49 Slick: mackenzie will qualify
15:50 Slick: but he's sooo lazy
15:50 Slick: inactive for 5 days
15:50 Inyuschan: like me
15:50 Inyuschan: I'm lazy
15:50 Inyuschan: OTL
15:50 Slick: :c
15:50 Slick: why did kenterz get removed?
15:50 Slick: inactivity as BN?
15:50 Inyuschan: yes
15:50 Inyuschan: many people has been removed
15:50 Inyuschan: indeed
15:51 Slick: hmm
15:51 Slick: i hope mackenzie will be online soon
15:51 Slick: or not removed from BN lol
15:52 Inyuschan: whatever
15:52 *Inyuschan is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/731905 Rita - Bookmark Memories [Grimoire]]
15:53 Inyuschan: why not custom colours?
15:53 Inyuschan: lol
15:53 Inyuschan: fitting with BG/SB
15:53 Inyuschan: or something D:
15:53 Slick: hmm default works good
15:54 Slick: i like default colors
15:55 Inyuschan: 00:25:370 (1,2) - this stack looks weird for me somehow
15:55 Inyuschan: a bit unreadable I'd say
15:55 Slick: 00:25:370 (1,2) - many people have mentioned this
15:55 Slick: i've tried a lot of different things but i truly think it plays best where it is now
15:56 Inyuschan: lol it's your first map?
15:56 Slick: hmm for upload yeah
15:57 Inyuschan: 00:49:555 (8) - can't hear anything here, I'd remove it
15:57 Inyuschan: I noticed
15:57 Inyuschan: xD
15:57 Inyuschan: hopefully you'll improve more
15:57 Inyuschan: the map doesn't convence me after all
15:57 Slick: 02:17:111 (9,10) - same here?
15:57 Inyuschan: there sounds fine for me
15:57 Inyuschan: wait
15:58 Slick: lol it's the same
15:58 Slick: 02:25:875 (2,3) - here also?
15:58 Inyuschan: it's not the same at least for me
15:58 Inyuschan: there is fine... you can leave (8) there
15:58 Inyuschan: I think it's fine after all
15:59 Inyuschan: due to vocal
15:59 Slick: i think so too
15:59 Inyuschan: 00:51:999 (4,5,1) - wtf lol
15:59 Inyuschan: weird pattern xD
15:59 Slick: yeah
15:59 Slick: i can remake it into something better
15:59 Slick: i will do it
16:00 Inyuschan: 00:54:359 (3,4) - weird overlap
16:00 Slick: should i move 00:54:359 (3) - more right
16:01 Inyuschan: maybe
16:01 Inyuschan: 01:26:718 (3) - hard to read
16:01 Slick: 01:31:774 (1,2,3) - make it the same as this?
16:01 Slick: easier to read
16:02 Inyuschan: maybe
16:04 Inyuschan: I'm not sure about bubbling honestly lol
16:05 Slick: please don't bail
16:05 Slick: so many beatmap nominators has left this map
16:05 Slick: people who were intially willing to bubble
16:05 Slick: but didn't because the map is scary
16:05 Slick: this video is for you
16:05 Slick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0
16:06 Inyuschan: first of all
16:06 Inyuschan: never force a BN to do something if he/she doesn't want
16:06 Inyuschan: or if he/she is not sure
16:06 Slick: yeah
16:06 Slick: sorry
16:08 Inyuschan: I don't mean I don't like the map, it's fun to play and looks nice
16:08 Inyuschan: I just don't agree with some rhythm and many BN can say the same
16:09 Inyuschan: also
16:09 Inyuschan: you use a lot of repetitive sliders o.o
16:09 Slick: what rhythm seems? weird to you?
16:11 Inyuschan: for example this one
16:11 Inyuschan: 02:19:808 (1) -
16:11 Inyuschan: it's just an example
16:11 Inyuschan: you're skipping totally the vocal while you follow it many times
16:11 Inyuschan: for example I don't agree with that
16:11 Inyuschan: anyways, I'm done with this, go and update
16:11 Inyuschan: I'll post this
16:12 Slick: skipping the vocal?
16:12 Slick: do you mean slider should be longer lol?
16:12 Slick: updating
16:12 Inyuschan: no I mean
16:12 Inyuschan: 02:19:977 -
16:12 Inyuschan: you didn't map that vocal xD
16:13 Slick: 02:19:977 - new vocal starting here?
16:13 Slick: i don't hear any new vocal ;w;
16:13 Slick: 02:19:808 (1) - i only hear one vocal starting here
16:14 Inyuschan: uh okay I didn't mean vocal
16:14 Inyuschan: but
16:14 Inyuschan: how can I explain it
16:14 Slick: you mean violin?
16:14 Inyuschan: there's a sound which it's not mapped and I miss it
16:14 Inyuschan: did you update?
16:14 Slick: yeah some synth sound of some kind , i can hear it too
16:15 Slick: not yet
16:15 Slick: 00:51:999 (4,5,1) - i can't find pattern for this
16:15 Inyuschan: don't really know xD
16:16 Inyuschan: I'll edit my post anyway

So, I guess it's clear what I think: I'm not really sure about this map, in my opinion it's not ready yet, I wish I could have more time to help you but I already posted this which it's basically what I think.

Weird to see a map with default colours, though.

EDIT: I also suggested to reduce AR because it's quite high at the moment, but the mapper refused too.
Tshemmp
2015-09-12 14:47 Tshemmp: 00:33:965 - why don't you do a long slider here
2015-09-12 14:47 Tshemmp: like this one 00:35:314 (3) -
2015-09-12 14:47 Tshemmp: or this one 00:36:662 (3) -
2015-09-12 14:47 Tshemmp: its basically the same part, right
2015-09-12 14:48 Tshemmp: 00:38:010 (3) - I find this kinda ugly, the bending at the top is too strong imo
2015-09-12 14:49 Tshemmp: you could make the second slidernode a red one
2015-09-12 14:49 Slick: are we irc modding it?
2015-09-12 14:49 Tshemmp: dunno
2015-09-12 14:49 Tshemmp: I don't care :D
2015-09-12 14:49 Tshemmp: I can also do a forum post but
2015-09-12 14:50 Tshemmp: I have a feeling I won't have much to say about this map
2015-09-12 14:50 Slick: yeah we can just irc it
2015-09-12 14:52 Tshemmp: 01:27:392 (1,2) - hm don't like the spacing between these two
2015-09-12 14:53 Slick: yeah i can just ctrl + g that back
2015-09-12 14:55 Tshemmp: 01:48:628 (1) - NC here already?
2015-09-12 14:56 Tshemmp: ahh
2015-09-12 14:56 Tshemmp: why is 01:48:628 (1) - this one so fast
2015-09-12 14:56 Tshemmp: but these not 01:54:696 (4) -
2015-09-12 14:56 Tshemmp: wwait
2015-09-12 14:56 Tshemmp: wrong first link
2015-09-12 14:56 Tshemmp: I mean this one 01:54:359 (1) -
2015-09-12 14:59 Slick: true
2015-09-12 14:59 Slick: idea is for
2015-09-12 14:59 Slick: 01:54:359 (1) - to be the entry for 01:54:527 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this small pattern
2015-09-12 15:00 Slick: 01:55:370 (1,2,3) - and this the exit, why 01:55:539 (3) - is fast again
2015-09-12 15:00 Tshemmp: ya but the difference between SV is too big imo
2015-09-12 15:00 Slick: 01:54:359 (1) - yeah i should probably make this on 1,00
2015-09-12 15:00 Slick: like 01:55:539 (3) -
2015-09-12 15:01 Slick: nice catch
2015-09-12 15:01 Tshemmp: that would be good
2015-09-12 15:01 Tshemmp: 02:42:561 (3,1,2,1) - hhnnnggg very nice
2015-09-12 15:02 Slick: thanks
2015-09-12 15:03 Tshemmp: 02:56:887 (1) - hm again such a huuugue increase in SV, its nearly 3 times as fast
2015-09-12 15:03 Tshemmp: why not make it just 1,0
2015-09-12 15:03 Slick: this is 5eania's part
2015-09-12 15:03 Tshemmp: all the kicksliders
2015-09-12 15:03 Tshemmp: oh
2015-09-12 15:03 Tshemmp: its a collab?
2015-09-12 15:04 Slick: do you see the storyboard?
2015-09-12 15:04 Tshemmp: I see it but I didn't pay attention to it
2015-09-12 15:04 Slick: wasn't it noticable when playing that when dubstep begain
2015-09-12 15:04 Slick: it was like someone else mapped it
2015-09-12 15:04 Slick: cause this is one of those collabs style changes are noticeable
2015-09-12 15:05 Slick: midge mapped the last dubstep
2015-09-12 15:05 Tshemmp: ok
2015-09-12 15:10 Tshemmp: 04:19:302 (1,2,3,4) - would like it more if this was a bow to the left instead of to the right, like this http://puu.sh/k8Cqo.jpg
2015-09-12 15:11 Slick: saving for midge
2015-09-12 15:11 Tshemmp: 04:21:662 (1,1) - I don't understand why the second slider has to be 3 times slower than the pervious one
2015-09-12 15:11 Tshemmp: ya
2015-09-12 15:12 Tshemmp: 04:24:022 (1,1) - remove NC
2015-09-12 15:12 Tshemmp: 04:24:359 (2) - add NC
2015-09-12 15:13 Tshemmp: ok, now your part again
2015-09-12 15:13 Tshemmp: 04:41:550 (1) - again I dont like the bending at the top, my personal taste says it looks ugly
2015-09-12 15:14 Slick: 04:23:347 (1) - you're not a fan of sliders like this?
2015-09-12 15:14 Tshemmp: this one is fine
2015-09-12 15:14 Tshemmp: but the one I linked
2015-09-12 15:14 Tshemmp: kinda is unfinished
2015-09-12 15:14 Slick: 04:41:550 (1) - should be curved more?
2015-09-12 15:14 Tshemmp: either that
2015-09-12 15:14 Tshemmp: or curved less
2015-09-12 15:03 Tshemmp: 02:56:887 (1) - hm again such a huuugue increase in SV, its nearly 3 times as fast
2015-09-12 15:03 Tshemmp: why not make it just 1,0 like all the kicksliders afterwards
04:15:763 (1,1) - this SV change is impossible to read
2015-09-12 15:10 Tshemmp: 04:19:302 (1,2,3,4) - would like it more if this was a bow to the left instead of to the right, like this http://puu.sh/k8Cqo.jpg, gives better flow and less combobreaks
2015-09-12 15:11 Slick: saving for midge
2015-09-12 15:11 Tshemmp: 04:21:662 (1,1) - I don't understand why the second slider has to be 3 times slower than the pervious one
2015-09-12 15:11 Tshemmp: ya
2015-09-12 15:12 Tshemmp: 04:24:022 (1,1) - remove NC
2015-09-12 15:12 Tshemmp: 04:24:359 (2) - add NC
Cherry Blossom
As promised.
Please, reply to this mod and tell me why you didn't change without saying "it's my style" or "there are already ranked maps with the same kind of pattern" or other reasons like this.
Also, i'll try to respect your style and see what you want to do, there is nothing absolutely true in my mod, but note that there are very subjective quality standards if you want to rank your map.

Grimoire



  • Inaudible ticks followed :
  1. 00:04:724 (5) - There is nothing audible on this tick, and this pattern is a little overdone because the spacing for 1/4 is quite huge, for nothing audible on a blue tick. And this is not recommended at all and you should avoid that. If you want to keep it, just reduce the distance and make them overlapped, at least.
  2. 02:11:887 (1,2) - There is nothing audible on this tick. Playing a double after a 1/1 slider is a little difficult because it requires a perfect timing. Avoid useless difficulty here by removing this note which follows nothing audible.

    ____________________________________


    Long sliders, and 1/4 1/2 gaps between sliders
  3. First point Concerning those long sliders, When you can follow vocal with a long slider, and when you can end it on a strong note, just do it, instead of ending a slider on a 1/4 tick later, It gives a better impression when you try to follow all instruments and vocal. And also, there is nothing really audible on blue ticks where your long sliders end.
  4. Second Point And concerning consistency with your sliders i really have doubts, sometimes for the same notes you use different lengths, and i'm 100% sure you will have troubles with the QAT concerning consistency and lack of "concept" about rhythm (Captin's Asymmetry's DQ). Using 3/4 sliders in not really recommended at all, and they can only be used if the mappers knows what he wants to do with, it includes consistency and view about rhythm. You made things inconsistent, for example 01:55:707 (1,2,3) - and 00:17:280 (1,2,3) - which are the same notes, but not the same patterns, a perfect example of what you should not do with 3/4 sliders.
  5. 00:19:977 (1) - This slider is really weird because it ends on a blue tick, on nothing really audible. You can end it here instead 00:20:314 -, on the strongest beat. Imo, following vocals makes you skip the strongest beats, when when you can follow them with a 1/2, just do it instead of following vocals with 1/4 and skipping most important notes. Same for 00:20:988 (3) - , use a 1/2 slider instead of a 3/4
  6. 00:28:066 (1,2,3) - Still hard to recognize which is 1/2 and 1/4, it could be better if you increase the distance between 00:28:066 (1,2) - , it will be easier to read. And same scenario for 00:31:269 (2,3,1) -
  7. 01:45:257 (2,3,4,5) - same for ^ , visually these objects 01:45:257 (2,3) - has the same spacing as 01:45:595 (3,4) - . There should be a higher distance between 01:45:595 (3,4) -
  8. 01:58:909 (2,3) - I was really surprised by this pattern when i was playing, the long distance between this double 01:59:331 (3,4) - and this slider 01:58:909 (2) - was not expected or predictable because there wasn't another pattern like this before, and the distance between those objects is really high. It could be better if they have the same distance, just see :
  9. 01:59:752 (1,2) - Same as i said for long slider, in first point.
  10. 02:11:887 (1) - same as ^ and you should do it, because a 1/4 gap between a long slider and a triple is not conventional and more difficult to play than a double after a slider. It will be more fluid if there is a 1/2 gap between 02:11:887 (1,2) - .


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    Other
  11. 00:26:718 (1,2) - There should be a higher distance between this triple and this circle 00:26:718 (1) - . Visually, the distance between 00:26:718 (1,2) - and 00:27:055 (4,5) - is the same, and that could be surprising, i got surprised too and i got a miss. With a higher distance between 00:26:718 (1,2) -, it will give more acceleration to the player and it will be easier to play the next pattern, and easier to read as well. Same for 01:54:190 (5,1) -
  12. 01:05:819 (1,2,3) - It seems you didn't have enough space to make this pattern more airy. There is a less distance distance between these objects compared to what you can see before this pattern. It could be better if you make things consistent here, so you should increase the distance between 01:05:819 (1,2) - . And also you should increase here too 01:06:156 (2,3) - in order to make this pattern more airy and better to play. It won't give an impression of slowdown.
  13. 01:09:696 (6) - tbh this circle is really difficult to catch because it is at top right and also the spacing between previous circles is enough large. There is a spacing change between 01:09:527 (5,6) - and that could be a little surprising and the player might miss, when i played it with HD i was a little lucky, i didn't see that circle and i just hit it randomly and i got it. So, it should be better if you keep the same spacing on this zigzag pattern. Or if you don't want to keep the same spacing, just reduce the global spacing of this pattern. Same for 01:10:875 (6,7) -
  14. 01:51:325 (4,5) - This looks counter intuitive to play, there are strong vocal notes on both objects (the circle and the sliderhead) and you put an antijump here. The distance between 01:51:325 (4,5) - is really close and it is really disproportionate compared to 01:50:819 (3,4) - , and i really recommend you, at least, to increase the distance between 01:51:325 (4,5) - .
  15. 03:52:168 (3,4,5) - This looks a little uncomfortable to play, because the angle is near to 180° and the spacing between circles is really large, it will be smoother if there is a closer angle between those circles. You can try a symmetry with 03:52:168 (3,5) - , but you will need to arrange the next circle 03:52:673 (6) - in order to keep this pattern as fluid a possible. Just see the symmetry
  16. 03:56:381 (3,4,1) - The distance between these sliders is really large, the gap between each slider is 1/4, and the player might get a 100 on each sliderend if he doesn't know the gap between each slider is 1/4. At least, this slider 03:56:381 (3) - should be 1/2 slider instead, according to First point.

As i said before your self popped bubble, this needs a lot of improvements, my mod will not make your map good enough to get rebubbled.
You have to work on the structure, i didn't talk about the structure because there is no starting point for making good suggestions about "how to make this pattern more structured", because of your style. This map is various slidershapes and high spaced circles, and some wub, this kind of maps is difficult to treat. Overall, the playability of the map is nice, but it is a little difficult to play these long and fast sliders, the player might get a sliderbreak easily.
We already talked about that in my #spectator yesterday, with Mazzerin too. And you also said something about the QAT that answered you about how they will treat this map etc.

As i said, what i am saying is not absolutely true, you can choose to ask a BN for a rebubble after my mod if you want, but it's risky.
Good luck ~
Rohit6
19:42 Slick: are you modding it?
19:42 Rohit6: yeah
19:43 Slick: wow from india
19:43 Rohit6: lol
19:43 Slick: the country with free pussy around every corner :D
19:43 Rohit6: lol no
19:43 Rohit6: cant even find a gf here
19:43 Rohit6: ;-;
19:43 Slick: i mean
19:43 Slick: you can just rape a chick
19:43 Rohit6: kek
19:44 Slick: nobody cares about rape in india :D
19:44 Slick: that's why it's the country with free pussy
19:45 Slick: how do you survive the heat?
19:45 Slick: i feel like i'm dying if it gets beyond 20 degress here in norway
19:45 Rohit6: lol its 32 here
19:45 Rohit6: all year round
19:45 Slick: how do you survive that
19:45 Slick: 16 - 18 degress is perfect
19:46 Rohit6: you get used to that
19:46 Rohit6: i cant stand cold
19:46 Rohit6: have to wear a sweater if it gets below 20
19:46 Slick: what lol
19:47 Slick: where i live it can become 15 - 20 minus degress in the winter
19:52 Rohit6: i cant say much tbh
19:53 Rohit6: this is way above my paygrade :P
19:53 Slick: you can just blanket mod
19:53 Rohit6: alright
19:53 Slick: xD
19:58 Rohit6: 03:33:123 (1,2) - blanket
19:59 Slick: that's the only one you found
19:59 Rohit6: 03:36:662 (1,4) - blanket
19:59 Slick: 03:36:662 (1,4) - is good
19:59 Slick: i will fix that
19:59 Rohit6: okay
20:01 Rohit6: rest is fine
20:01 Slick: yeah post it
20:01 Slick: not the irc log though
20:01 Slick: the suggestions
20:01 Slick: add this too
20:02 Rohit6: 04:41:550 (1) - you can make this smoother
20:02 Rohit6: 04:45:595 (1) - end can be smoother
Topic Starter
Slick

Cherry Blossom wrote:

[*] First point Concerning those long sliders, When you can follow vocal with a long slider, and when you can end it on a strong note, just do it, instead of ending a slider on a 1/4 tick later, It gives a better impression when you try to follow all instruments and vocal. And also, there is nothing really audible on blue ticks where your long sliders end.
If you listen on 25%, you'll hear that the vocals are held past the red node occasionally, hence why i chose to end on blue ticks rather than red ticks.
Inconsistent, yes, but without reason, no.

Cherry Blossom wrote:

[*] Second Point And concerning consistency with your sliders i really have doubts, sometimes for the same notes you use different lengths, and i'm 100% sure you will have troubles with the QAT concerning consistency and lack of "concept" about rhythm (Captin's Asymmetry's DQ). Using 3/4 sliders in not really recommended at all, and they can only be used if the mappers knows what he wants to do with, it includes consistency and view about rhythm. You made things inconsistent, for example 01:55:707 (1,2,3) - and 00:17:280 (1,2,3) - which are the same notes, but not the same patterns, a perfect example of what you should not do with 3/4 sliders.
00:17:280 (1) - is not extended
01:55:707 (1) - is extended, follows the violin

00:18:460 (1) - is extended,for this vocal it fits
01:56:887 (1) - is not

00:19:977 (1) - is extended,for this vocal it fits
01:58:404 (1) - is not

00:20:988 (3) - is extended,for this vocal it fits
01:59:415 (4) - is not

00:21:325 (1,2) - is not extended
01:59:752 (1,2) - is extended, for this vocal it fits

Cherry Blossom wrote:

00:19:977 (1) - This slider is really weird because it ends on a blue tick, on nothing really audible. You can end it here instead 00:20:314 -, on the strongest beat. Imo, following vocals makes you skip the strongest beats, when when you can follow them with a 1/2, just do it instead of following vocals with 1/4 and skipping most important notes. Same for 00:20:988 (3) - , use a 1/2 slider instead of a 3/4
00:28:066 (1,2,3) - Still hard to recognize which is 1/2 and 1/4, it could be better if you increase the distance between 00:28:066 (1,2) - , it will be easier to read. And same scenario for 00:31:269 (2,3,1) - fixed
01:45:257 (2,3,4,5) - same for ^ , visually these objects 01:45:257 (2,3) - has the same spacing as 01:45:595 (3,4) - . There should be a higher distance between 01:45:595 (3,4) - fixed
01:58:909 (2,3) - I was really surprised by this pattern when i was playing, the long distance between this double 01:59:331 (3,4) - and this slider 01:58:909 (2) - was not expected or predictable because there wasn't another pattern like this before, and the distance between those objects is really high. It could be better if they have the same distance, just see :fixed
01:59:752 (1,2) - Same as i said for long slider, in first point.
02:11:887 (1) - same as ^ and you should do it, because a 1/4 gap between a long slider and a triple is not conventional and more difficult to play than a double after a slider. It will be more fluid if there is a 1/2 gap between 02:11:887 (1,2) - .

Other
00:26:718 (1,2) - There should be a higher distance between this triple and this circle 00:26:718 (1) - . Visually, the distance between 00:26:718 (1,2) - and 00:27:055 (4,5) - is the same, and that could be surprising, i got surprised too and i got a miss. With a higher distance between 00:26:718 (1,2) -, it will give more acceleration to the player and it will be easier to play the next pattern, and easier to read as well. Same for 01:54:190 (5,1) - going to fix this
01:05:819 (1,2,3) - It seems you didn't have enough space to make this pattern more airy. There is a less distance distance between these objects compared to what you can see before this pattern. It could be better if you make things consistent here, so you should increase the distance between 01:05:819 (1,2) - . And also you should increase here too 01:06:156 (2,3) - in order to make this pattern more airy and better to play. It won't give an impression of slowdown. i did intend for a slight slowdown, i'll look into making it better
01:09:696 (6) - tbh this circle is really difficult to catch because it is at top right and also the spacing between previous circles is enough large. There is a spacing change between 01:09:527 (5,6) - and that could be a little surprising and the player might miss, when i played it with HD i was a little lucky, i didn't see that circle and i just hit it randomly and i got it. So, it should be better if you keep the same spacing on this zigzag pattern. Or if you don't want to keep the same spacing, just reduce the global spacing of this pattern. Same for 01:10:875 (6,7) - repositioned it
01:51:325 (4,5) - This looks counter intuitive to play, there are strong vocal notes on both objects (the circle and the sliderhead) and you put an antijump here. The distance between 01:51:325 (4,5) - is really close and it is really disproportionate compared to 01:50:819 (3,4) - , and i really recommend you, at least, to increase the distance between 01:51:325 (4,5) - . going to fix this
03:52:168 (3,4,5) - This looks a little uncomfortable to play, because the angle is near to 180° and the spacing between circles is really large, it will be smoother if there is a closer angle between those circles. You can try a symmetry with 03:52:168 (3,5) - , but you will need to arrange the next circle 03:52:673 (6) - in order to keep this pattern as fluid a possible. Just see the symmetry fixed
03:56:381 (3,4,1) - The distance between these sliders is really large, the gap between each slider is 1/4, and the player might get a 100 on each sliderend if he doesn't know the gap between each slider is 1/4. At least, this slider 03:56:381 (3) - should be 1/2 slider instead, according to First point.

As i said before your self popped bubble, this needs a lot of improvements, my mod will not make your map good enough to get rebubbled.
You have to work on the structure, i didn't talk about the structure because there is no starting point for making good suggestions about "how to make this pattern more structured", because of your style. This map is various slidershapes and high spaced circles, and some wub, this kind of maps is difficult to treat. Overall, the playability of the map is nice, but it is a little difficult to play these long and fast sliders, the player might get a sliderbreak easily.
We already talked about that in my #spectator yesterday, with Mazzerin too. And you also said something about the QAT that answered you about how they will treat this map etc.

As i said, what i am saying is not absolutely true, you can choose to ask a BN for a rebubble after my mod if you want, but it's risky.
Good luck ~
Thank you, Cherry Blossom!
AnOzi Changle
good map
some mod ...
no kd

02:03:460 (6) - some blanket
02:05:482 (2) - blanket with 1 no 3
02:23:095 (2,4,5,6,7) - Five-pointed star

I think this map can use more slider
more blanket
more overlap
not too much circle&jump
sorry . my mod is terrible

good luck
Myxo
I didn't think I would get involved with this map again, yet I have to make something clear here.

Literally every BN and QAT were telling you to change the Extended Sliders, so that's what you should do. Even though the vocals are hold, you can't just ignore strong beats in the music and map all sliderends on nothing instead. It is not nice to play at all (because the players are hearing a strong sound earlier than the slider ends) and sounds bad, too.

If the consistency / structure you see in it is not obvious for any other player, mapper or BN, it's pointless.

You have improved the map a lot since the very beginning, that doesn't mean you can keep it as it is now and just get it ranked. Your rhythmic concept is not working at all, so you need to change it or keep your map unranked. It's really as simple as that.

Feel free to prove me wrong though.
Winnie
Oh I remember modding this
Kibbleru
hmmm seems gud enough for me.

ranked
Depths
same tbh
Winnie
I swear to god I believe that I personally went over this 1 on 1 but never said I was gonna mod this map. I never agreed to modding unless there is something that states I said so. I always remember what I say and make promises to especially when it comes to modding because I'm an organized man, All I remember is you saying can you check my beatmap, and so I did, but down below is really strong intimate words. Remember when I said that your map reminded me of midge maps, and you laughed. Because I remember it clearly even if you say it was 3 months ago.

Desperate-kun wrote:

I didn't think I would get involved with this map again, yet I have to make something clear here.

Literally every BN and QAT were telling you to change the Extended Sliders, so that's what you should do. Even though the vocals are hold, you can't just ignore strong beats in the music and map all sliderends on nothing instead. It is not nice to play at all (because the players are hearing a strong sound earlier than the slider ends) and sounds bad, too.

If the consistency / structure you see in it is not obvious for any other player, mapper or BN, it's pointless.

You have improved the map a lot since the very beginning, that doesn't mean you can keep it as it is now and just get it ranked. Your rhythmic concept is not working at all, so you need to change it or keep your map unranked. It's really as simple as that.

Feel free to prove me wrong though.
Arphimigon
I came back after a long time to check up on this map again, and saw:

Desperate-kun wrote:

Literally every BN and QAT were telling you to change the Extended Sliders, so that's what you should do. Even though the vocals are hold, you can't just ignore strong beats in the music and map all sliderends on nothing instead. It is not nice to play at all (because the players are hearing a strong sound earlier than the slider ends) and sounds bad, too.
I agree with this for the most account, however most of the "weird" extended sliders have been ironed out, and mostthe remaining ones feel fine. So sadly I have to disagree with:

Desperate-kun wrote:

Your rhythmic concept is not working at all.
Since it feels pretty nice rhythmically.
Rip vocal sliders.

Remember that time I remade the first 2 mins of the song? Yeah I think that's what the QAT/BNs want. It's very plain and boring, but it is rhythmically simple, however I know there must be a way that both can work together. I can't come up with ideas now, so hit me up at a later time so I can come back to this again.

Good luck yo, I'm still watching.
dqs01733
Well it seems that our super long chatlog from august is still relevant.. didnt even bother posting it at the time since everything got brushed off as "subjective" <.<

2015-08-08 00:20 Slick: hi
2015-08-08 00:20 Kotonoha: hello
2015-08-08 00:21 Slick: right so i apparently need more testplays
2015-08-08 00:21 Slick: could you try my map?
2015-08-08 00:21 Slick: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/731905 Rita - Bookmark Memories [Grimoire]]
2015-08-08 00:21 Kotonoha: okay
2015-08-08 00:22 Kotonoha: it looks pretty difficult so give me 10 minutes to warm up
2015-08-08 00:22 Kotonoha: ill tell you when im playing it
2015-08-08 00:22 Slick: np, thx
2015-08-08 00:23 Kotonoha: is it streamy with a lot of triplets and 5s or jumpy?
2015-08-08 00:24 Slick: jumpy with fast sliders hard to control sliders
2015-08-08 00:24 Slick: and massive diff spikes when the dubstep kicks in
2015-08-08 00:25 Kotonoha: okay ill just play it right away then
2015-08-08 00:30 Slick: holy shit that was close to failing
2015-08-08 00:30 Slick: nice play
2015-08-08 00:31 Kotonoha: i cant do streams and bursts when im not warmed up lol
2015-08-08 00:31 Kotonoha: well the map is pretty decent
2015-08-08 00:31 Kotonoha: it has a lot of spacing issues though
2015-08-08 00:31 Slick: care to point out a few if possible?
2015-08-08 00:32 Kotonoha: the way you play circles after a 3/4 slider are confusing
2015-08-08 00:32 Slick: :?
2015-08-08 00:33 Kotonoha: actually not just 3/4 sliders but extended sliders in general
2015-08-08 00:33 Kotonoha: 00:19:977 (1,2) - this for example
2015-08-08 00:33 Slick: yeah, too high for so early in the song :I
2015-08-08 00:33 Slick: needs nerf
2015-08-08 00:33 Kotonoha: because the slider is so long its kinda hard to make out if its extended or not
2015-08-08 00:34 Slick: lol
2015-08-08 00:34 Kotonoha: usually you can see when its 3/4 slider so you can place next circle further away but this time its not easy to spot
2015-08-08 00:34 Slick: i guess
2015-08-08 00:34 Kotonoha: connecting the two sliders makes it easy to see that its a 1/4 gap between the sliders
2015-08-08 00:34 Kotonoha: spacing is too large is what im getting at
2015-08-08 00:35 Slick: so you're not talking of exact errors
2015-08-08 00:35 Slick: just that in general it's too large?
2015-08-08 00:35 Kotonoha: yes
2015-08-08 00:35 Kotonoha: 00:21:325 (1,2) - these sliders has 1/2 gap and is smaller distance
2015-08-08 00:36 Slick: moving on to kiai
2015-08-08 00:36 Slick: yup easier
2015-08-08 00:36 Kotonoha: also
2015-08-08 00:37 Kotonoha: 00:36:156 (1,2) -
2015-08-08 00:37 Kotonoha: this is the first time ur using an extended slider ending with a circle
2015-08-08 00:37 Slick: 00:24:359 (2,3) -
2015-08-08 00:37 Kotonoha: so youre kinda defining 3/4 slider -> circle to have that spacing
2015-08-08 00:38 Slick: i guess
2015-08-08 00:38 Kotonoha: players are gonna think any larger spacing than that is 1/2
2015-08-08 00:38 Kotonoha: so when this 00:47:448 (2,3) - comes its gonna be mistake as a 1/2 because the spacing is so much larger
2015-08-08 00:38 Slick: i see
2015-08-08 00:39 Slick: but that's a very small if not subjective issue
2015-08-08 00:39 Slick: plays almost like a 1/2 slider
2015-08-08 00:39 Slick: but i understand
2015-08-08 00:39 Slick: and i agree
2015-08-08 00:39 Kotonoha: lol I wouldnt call that subjective
2015-08-08 00:40 Kotonoha: random spacings like that just confuses the player and is not natural to play
2015-08-08 00:40 Kotonoha: 01:04:134 (5,1) -
2015-08-08 00:40 Kotonoha: 01:05:819 (1,2) -
2015-08-08 00:40 Slick: that makes sense
2015-08-08 00:40 Slick: considering the vocal
2015-08-08 00:41 Kotonoha: well the thing is
2015-08-08 00:42 Kotonoha: you can have very varying distances on 1/2 jumps to stress sounds and the player is going to know when its a 1/2
2015-08-08 00:42 Kotonoha: 1/4 is not
2015-08-08 00:42 Slick: really?
2015-08-08 00:42 Kotonoha: yes really
2015-08-08 00:42 Kotonoha: look at any ranked map
2015-08-08 00:42 Kotonoha: never
2015-08-08 00:43 Kotonoha: unless its a 1/4 slider that pretty much behaves like 1/2 circle
2015-08-08 00:44 Kotonoha: 1/4 spacing is almost never bigger than 00:36:156 (1,2) -
2015-08-08 00:44 Kotonoha: and even that is a pretty big stretch
2015-08-08 00:44 Slick: seriously
2015-08-08 00:44 Slick: did not know
2015-08-08 00:44 Kotonoha: usually the circle is stacked
2015-08-08 00:44 Kotonoha: actually no
2015-08-08 00:44 Slick: if it's not bs what you're saying my map is fucked
2015-08-08 00:44 Slick: 04:05:145 (1,2) - lol
2015-08-08 00:44 Kotonoha: like this
2015-08-08 00:44 Kotonoha: http://puu.sh/jthih.jpg
2015-08-08 00:44 Kotonoha: BUT THAT IS ONLY CIRCLE
2015-08-08 00:45 Kotonoha: you can have bigger spacing when its extended slider to another slider
2015-08-08 00:45 Kotonoha: because of slider leniency
2015-08-08 00:45 Slick: 04:05:145 (1,2) - is slider to circle
2015-08-08 00:45 Kotonoha: but not too big, like this 00:19:977 (1,2) -
2015-08-08 00:45 Kotonoha: yeah thats fucking huge
2015-08-08 00:45 Kotonoha: but i mean
2015-08-08 00:46 Kotonoha: there are a lot of these mistakes
2015-08-08 00:46 Slick: plays fine though
2015-08-08 00:46 Slick: don't really see the problem
2015-08-08 00:46 Slick: you hit it
2015-08-08 00:46 Kotonoha: but all you have to do is place them like a did in the picture
2015-08-08 00:46 Slick: you didn't fail there
2015-08-08 00:46 Slick: if hat really interferes with ranking
2015-08-08 00:46 Slick: my map is fucked
2015-08-08 00:46 Slick: cause i play around with that
2015-08-08 00:46 Slick: so much
2015-08-08 00:46 Slick: that*
2015-08-08 00:46 Kotonoha: yeah but I can assure you 100% I read that as 1/2 at first
2015-08-08 00:46 Kotonoha: its easy to fix
2015-08-08 00:47 Kotonoha: you can really go through the map and fix all in 5 minutes
2015-08-08 00:47 Slick: lol no
2015-08-08 00:47 Slick: that would ruin all structure
2015-08-08 00:47 Slick: spacing
2015-08-08 00:47 Kotonoha: and another 10 minutes to rearrange stuff that doesnt play well after you change it
2015-08-08 00:47 Kotonoha: nah
2015-08-08 00:47 Slick: and so much would have to be repatterned
2015-08-08 00:47 Slick: everything kinda link together in this mapw
2015-08-08 00:47 Slick: map
2015-08-08 00:47 Slick: where one change affects another
2015-08-08 00:47 Kotonoha: well its your choice if you wanna change it or not
2015-08-08 00:48 Slick: i will only do it if it interferes with ranking
2015-08-08 00:48 Slick: it might be hard to play
2015-08-08 00:48 Slick: but it just challenges your intuition
2015-08-08 00:49 Slick: but aren't there a few more things
2015-08-08 00:49 Slick: you want to mention
2015-08-08 00:49 Slick: outside those circle after 3/4 sliders
2015-08-08 00:49 Slick: other than*
2015-08-08 00:49 Kotonoha: um
2015-08-08 00:49 Kotonoha: the two wubby parts
2015-08-08 00:49 Slick: they are quite hard yeah
2015-08-08 00:49 Kotonoha: wait
2015-08-08 00:49 Slick: fuck midge and 5eania
2015-08-08 00:50 Slick: xD
2015-08-08 00:50 Kotonoha: its not the quality or anything
2015-08-08 00:50 Kotonoha: the thing is
2015-08-08 00:50 Kotonoha: they are sooooooooo different
2015-08-08 00:50 Kotonoha: i get that theyre two different mappers
2015-08-08 00:50 Kotonoha: different styles
2015-08-08 00:50 Kotonoha: but this is just too much its like theyre mapping two different songs
2015-08-08 00:51 Slick: yeah fuck them
2015-08-08 00:51 Kotonoha: i really like 5eania's part
2015-08-08 00:51 Slick: qat said biggest problem with this would be the dubstep
2015-08-08 00:51 Slick: especially the midge's
2015-08-08 00:51 Kotonoha: its really good and the style fits nicely
2015-08-08 00:51 Kotonoha: but then you play midges part
2015-08-08 00:51 Kotonoha: same exact musing
2015-08-08 00:51 Kotonoha: but stream jumps
2015-08-08 00:51 Slick: haha xDD
2015-08-08 00:51 Kotonoha: huge spacing variation
2015-08-08 00:51 Kotonoha: sv changes
2015-08-08 00:52 Slick: yeah
2015-08-08 00:52 Slick: he abuses slider velocity so badly
2015-08-08 00:52 Kotonoha: jsut to name a few things
2015-08-08 00:52 Slick: like 1,50 --> 0,50
2015-08-08 00:52 Slick: midge's part is going to be a problem
2015-08-08 00:52 Kotonoha: although its kinda messy its pretty ok
2015-08-08 00:52 Kotonoha: the real issue is that it differentiates too much from the rest of the map
2015-08-08 00:53 Slick: yeah someone mentioned that
2015-08-08 00:53 Slick: it is expected of collabs
2015-08-08 00:53 Slick: but this might be too much
2015-08-08 00:53 Kotonoha: like if youre gonna make a collab you should make sure the styles are atleast a bit similar
2015-08-08 00:53 Slick: i do see that but tbh
2015-08-08 00:54 Slick: i think it's stupid when people make collabs
2015-08-08 00:54 Slick: and when you play it
2015-08-08 00:54 Slick: it's like it's mapped by one guy
2015-08-08 00:54 Kotonoha: if not one has to adjust to the others
2015-08-08 00:54 Slick: cause their styles are so generic and normal
2015-08-08 00:54 Kotonoha: yes some are like that
2015-08-08 00:54 Slick: it might be an issue
2015-08-08 00:54 Kotonoha: ACTION is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/525380 Buta-Otome - Hibikien]
2015-08-08 00:54 Kotonoha: look at tihs collab
2015-08-08 00:54 Slick: i did ask qat about it an they said it is expected of collabs
2015-08-08 00:54 Slick: we'll see i guess
2015-08-08 00:55 Kotonoha: they use the same spacings and sv's and whatnot
2015-08-08 00:55 Slick: EvilElvis
2015-08-08 00:55 Kotonoha: but jsut the way they place their patterns and even slider shapes
2015-08-08 00:55 Kotonoha: makes it easy to know when the mappers are switched
2015-08-08 00:56 Slick: general thoughts on the map?
2015-08-08 00:56 Slick: gotta admit it's pretty intense
2015-08-08 00:57 Kotonoha: do you want me to be completely honest
2015-08-08 00:57 Slick: sure
2015-08-08 00:57 Kotonoha: you wont be able to rank it like this
2015-08-08 00:58 Kotonoha: your fundamentals are pretty ok, could be improved
2015-08-08 00:58 Slick: thought you were gonna say my map was shit or something
2015-08-08 00:58 Kotonoha: the issue is just the style its mapped
2015-08-08 00:58 Slick: what do you mean?
2015-08-08 00:59 Kotonoha: the way you make squiggly sliders so normal
2015-08-08 00:59 Kotonoha: 3/4ths of your sliders are squiggly
2015-08-08 00:59 Kotonoha: no reason
2015-08-08 00:59 Slick: you could say it like this
2015-08-08 01:00 Slick: the map doesn't interfere with ranking
2015-08-08 01:00 Slick: but as a whole
2015-08-08 01:00 Slick: it kinda does
2015-08-08 01:00 Slick: just because of the way it is :I
2015-08-08 01:00 Slick: there isn't much hope for the map
2015-08-08 01:01 Kotonoha: ok so do you want me to say your map isnt working or say its not working and why?
2015-08-08 01:01 Kotonoha: lol
2015-08-08 01:01 Slick: why it isn't working
2015-08-08 01:01 Slick: ofc
2015-08-08 01:01 Kotonoha: no there isnt much hope for this map youre right, but you should listen to what I say carefully and take it with you for your next map you create
2015-08-08 01:02 Kotonoha: just make normal sliders
2015-08-08 01:02 Kotonoha: straight
2015-08-08 01:02 Kotonoha: slightly curved
2015-08-08 01:02 Kotonoha: one red anchor point
2015-08-08 01:02 Kotonoha: common ones
2015-08-08 01:02 Slick: other than that?
2015-08-08 01:02 Kotonoha: and never bust out shit like squiggly or round sliders and stuff unless the music says so
2015-08-08 01:02 Slick: cause you should assume i've been told this 12391203120310823 times before :)
2015-08-08 01:03 Kotonoha: and dont ignore percussion
2015-08-08 01:03 Slick: percussion?
2015-08-08 01:03 Slick: like claps & kicks?
2015-08-08 01:03 Kotonoha: drums
2015-08-08 01:03 Kotonoha: drum beat
2015-08-08 01:03 Kotonoha: 01:07:168 (1) -
2015-08-08 01:03 Slick: i do that a lot throughout the whole map
2015-08-08 01:03 Kotonoha: you did hitsound the ticks
2015-08-08 01:04 Kotonoha: but drum beats should be clickable
2015-08-08 01:04 Kotonoha: yeah you do it a lot and tbh its not good
2015-08-08 01:04 Slick: usually
2015-08-08 01:04 Slick: subjective
2015-08-08 01:04 Kotonoha: lol k
2015-08-08 01:04 Slick: most don't like it i know
2015-08-08 01:05 Slick: but i don't wanna make a map no one gives a second thought
2015-08-08 01:05 Slick: so excessive vocal mapping
2015-08-08 01:05 Slick: and big ass sliders is the way to go
2015-08-08 01:05 Slick: in theory nothing interferes with ranking
2015-08-08 01:05 Kotonoha: you should try to listen to the music and map whats dominating
2015-08-08 01:05 Slick: as far as i know
2015-08-08 01:05 Kotonoha: yesy the vocal is very strong where you made those sliders
2015-08-08 01:05 Kotonoha: but the percussion is still there
2015-08-08 01:06 Kotonoha: and every map today follows the percussion
2015-08-08 01:06 Kotonoha: and they can shift the focus to the vocals or other instruments that take over
2015-08-08 01:06 Kotonoha: while still keeping the percussion mapped
2015-08-08 01:06 Slick: but the still end sliders on the kicks & claps
2015-08-08 01:06 Slick: and such ik
2015-08-08 01:07 Kotonoha: breaking away from the percussions completely isnt good
2015-08-08 01:07 Kotonoha: yes but youre still missing a clap
2015-08-08 01:07 Slick: that's your opinion
2015-08-08 01:07 Slick: quite frankly
2015-08-08 01:07 Kotonoha: okay
2015-08-08 01:08 Slick: idk
2015-08-08 01:08 Slick: i guess most don't like such mapping
2015-08-08 01:09 Slick: it does have 10 favorites =D
2015-08-08 01:20 Kotonoha: well ive already talked about everything that major in your map
2015-08-08 01:20 Slick: pretty subjecive
2015-08-08 01:20 Slick: and aren't issues
2015-08-08 01:20 Slick: as far as i know
2015-08-08 01:20 Slick: that interfere with ranking
2015-08-08 01:21 Kotonoha: well, you wont get much else from me
2015-08-08 01:21 Kotonoha: maybe you can send these chatlogs or tl;dr's to qats or bns and whatnot and see what they think about the stuff i mentioned
2015-08-08 01:21 Slick: i already talked to them about the wobble sliders
2015-08-08 01:21 Slick: can ask about the spacing difference in 3/4 sliders
2015-08-08 01:22 Slick: like slider then circle
2015-08-08 01:22 Slick: then thing you mentioned
2015-08-08 01:45 Slick: talked to irre
2015-08-08 01:46 Slick: told him what you mentioned
2015-08-08 01:46 Slick: said it was fine
2015-08-08 01:46 Kotonoha: well there you go
2015-08-08 01:46 Slick: just that 03:56:381 (1,2,1) - had too large spacing
2015-08-08 01:46 Kotonoha: keep your stuff
2015-08-08 01:46 Slick: 01:58:066 (5,1,2,3,4,1,2) - and follows the voca
2015-08-08 01:46 Slick: vocal
2015-08-08 01:46 Slick: too much
2015-08-08 01:46 Slick: should be mapped otherwise
2015-08-08 01:46 Slick: and that me ignoring claps & kicks isn't a problem
2015-08-08 01:46 Slick: as long as i execute it properly
2015-08-08 01:47 Slick: he actually liked midges part xD
2015-08-08 01:47 Slick: and my massive sliders
2015-08-08 01:47 Kotonoha: good
2015-08-08 01:47 Slick: http://puu.sh/jtkZz.jpg
2015-08-08 01:47 Kotonoha: well midges part is good
2015-08-08 01:48 Slick: you shouldn't speak so confidently, you're still a new mapper
2015-08-08 01:48 Slick: be more humble when you're not certian
2015-08-08 01:48 Kotonoha: nope, these are just my opinions
2015-08-08 01:48 Slick: you said my map wouldn't get ranked
2015-08-08 01:48 Slick: because of the things you mentioned
2015-08-08 01:49 Slick: that there was little to no hope
2015-08-08 01:49 Slick: i guess that was a bald statement?
2015-08-08 01:49 Slick: but i still feel
2015-08-08 01:49 Slick: as a whole the map just doesn't feel good for ranking
2015-08-08 01:49 Kotonoha: I though it was clear that nothing i say is from the qats, bns and this ranking system view
2015-08-08 01:50 Kotonoha: im just a regular mapper
2015-08-08 01:50 Kotonoha: im sorry if i came across wrong
2015-08-08 01:50 Slick: you asked me " do you want me to be compltetly honest?"
2015-08-08 01:50 Slick: i said yes
2015-08-08 01:50 Slick: and you said it wouldn't get ranked
2015-08-08 01:51 Kotonoha: yes I shouldnt have phrased it like that "you can't get it ranked like this"
2015-08-08 01:51 Kotonoha: its more like "I dont think you can rank it like this"
2015-08-08 01:53 Slick: "think", that would be based on logic or information which it clearly it wasn't
2015-08-08 01:53 Slick: more like " i'm not sure but you might wanna check if it's okay to have inconsistent spacing with circles after 3/4 sliders"
2015-08-08 01:54 Slick: he even said the one that was extremely big
2015-08-08 01:54 Slick: 04:05:145 (1,2) - this
2015-08-08 01:54 Slick: that it was okay
2015-08-08 01:55 Kotonoha: lets not be so pedantic lol
2015-08-08 01:56 Kotonoha: i still stand by my opinion i had since I first played the map
2015-08-08 01:56 Kotonoha: my opinions
2015-08-08 01:56 Kotonoha: instead of arguing with me about why my opinions are wrong you can prove me wrong by ranking the map
2015-08-08 01:57 Slick: so you still think my map is unrankable because of my incosistent spacing with circles after 3/4 sliders
2015-08-08 01:57 Slick: lol
2015-08-08 01:57 Kotonoha: have i stressed enough how everything is just opinion?
2015-08-08 01:57 Kotonoha: yes
2015-08-08 01:57 Slick: well might be
2015-08-08 01:57 Slick: i can see it for me
2015-08-08 01:57 Slick: something like that on the DQ
2015-08-08 01:58 Slick: no
2015-08-08 01:58 Slick: it wouldn't be that it's inconsistent
2015-08-08 01:58 Slick: just that it doesn't corrospond to the music
2015-08-08 01:59 Slick: inconsistent spacing between 3/4 sliders isn't a problem as long as it corrosponds to music
2015-08-08 01:59 Slick: why else would irre say it was okay

Still love 5eania's part tho
Chinochan
wake up!
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PatZar
sup slick, don't kd this, i don't even know how to mod std, but i want to know about 03:12:308 (1,1,1) - that 03:12:477 (1,1) - is too rush imo,
despo emng kek gitu cacad

and also, make this short 04:59:331 (1) - to 05:03:123 or 05:01:774 -
Firis Mistlud
Talked to slick, but there's nothing to fix so plz don't blame me lol

RIP 5eania

  1. "e_yuu0801.png" is a little bit NSFW but i think he's gonna change it


[Slick]
  1. 02:29:415 - to 02:55:538 - , Reduce SV because having same SV (as other parts of the song) in calm parts doesn't fit imo
  2. Also in 02:29:415 - to 02:55:538 - Although you muted the slider end on some sliders, I think it's a little bit weird about those notes after 3/4 sliders like 02:40:875 (2,3) - and 02:45:595 (1,2) - , i think it's much better if it's a 1/1 slider

[Midge-sen- okno]
  1. 04:15:932 (1,1,1,1,1) - Interesting slider pattern, but the thing that caught my attention is those distance are getting further, which is kinda weird imo because those sound doesn't get any stronger each note, although the pitch at the electronic sounds slightly goes higher but it doesn't strong enough to emphasize that much ( 04:16:437 (1,1) - Are acceptable since they got claps)
  2. 04:26:718 (1,1,1,1,1) - ^

If you want to, you can tell me to map those calm parts like 02:29:415 - to 02:55:538 - and 04:34:808 - to outro lol
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