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2015-07-18 22:05 Kuki: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/731096 Cutos - Between Sanity and Insanity [Normal]]
2015-07-18 22:06 Kuki: 00:12:206 (3,4) - straighten these out
2015-07-18 22:06 Kuki: or curve
2015-07-18 22:06 Kuki: your choice
2015-07-18 22:07 Hathz: Straighten in what way exactly
2015-07-18 22:08 Kuki: atm the middle one is slightly higher
2015-07-18 22:08 Kuki: than both circles on the side
2015-07-18 22:08 Hathz: Ah yeah thought you meant that, just making sure
2015-07-18 22:08 Kuki: click and drag to make a box under them and you should be able to see
2015-07-18 22:08 Hathz: :3
2015-07-18 22:08 Kuki: yep
2015-07-18 22:08 Kuki: :3
2015-07-18 22:08 Hathz: Sounds fair
2015-07-18 22:08 Kuki: 00:26:955 (3,1) - not a fan of this overlap here
2015-07-18 22:09 Hathz: Because it's a normal diff or just in general
2015-07-18 22:09 Kuki: 00:28:295 (1) - maybe rotate 45 degreees and move to x288 y132 or something like that
2015-07-18 22:09 Kuki: just in generaal
2015-07-18 22:11 Hathz: Alright
2015-07-18 22:11 Hathz: Lots of overlapping in this mapset anyway xD
2015-07-18 22:11 Kuki: 00:51:591 (4) - don't like this shape
2015-07-18 22:11 Kuki: yeah lol probably best not to worrry
2015-07-18 22:11 Kuki: maybe add a couple curves to it or something
2015-07-18 22:11 Kuki: 00:51:591 (4) - i mean ^
2015-07-18 22:12 Hathz: I think I'm keeping that because it's used in other diffs too and I like weird sliders :>
2015-07-18 22:12 Kuki: mk :>
2015-07-18 22:13 Kuki: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/729682 Cutos - Between Sanity and Insanity [Hyper]]
2015-07-18 22:14 Kuki: 00:01:983 (3,1) - stack?
2015-07-18 22:14 Hathz: Oh oops :D
2015-07-18 22:15 Hathz: Yep
2015-07-18 22:15 Hathz: Was meant to be a stack
2015-07-18 22:15 Kuki: 00:53:435 (2) - idk what this is
2015-07-18 22:15 Kuki: it doesnt fit to anything
2015-07-18 22:16 Hathz: It's supposed to be matching the quick piano notes right there
2015-07-18 22:16 Kuki: it isn't
2015-07-18 22:16 Kuki: lol
2015-07-18 22:16 Hathz: :D
2015-07-18 22:16 Hathz: Kind of yeah
2015-07-18 22:17 Hathz: Erm
2015-07-18 22:17 Hathz: I'll see what I can do about that
2015-07-18 22:17 Kuki: could just make it a stream
2015-07-18 22:17 Kuki: it isn't verry fast at all
2015-07-18 22:17 Kuki: still 1/4
2015-07-18 22:18 Kuki: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3405430
2015-07-18 22:19 Hathz: Yeah I think that looks nice
2015-07-18 22:19 Kuki: :)
2015-07-18 22:20 Kuki: 00:55:446 (3) - should start here 00:55:111 (1) -
2015-07-18 22:20 Kuki: 00:59:971 (5,2) - stack
2015-07-18 22:20 Kuki: 01:01:983 (4) - stack ^
2015-07-18 22:21 Kuki: 01:18:742 (2) - snap to grid?
2015-07-18 22:21 Kuki: 01:19:915 (3,4) - blanket?
2015-07-18 22:22 Kuki: 01:20:586 (1,1) - stack sliderends
2015-07-18 22:22 Kuki: 01:23:603 (3,1) - stack
2015-07-18 22:22 Kuki: 01:25:279 (1,2,3,4) - make a stream
2015-07-18 22:23 Kuki: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/731810 Cutos - Between Sanity and Insanity [Another]]
2015-07-18 22:24 Kuki: 00:03:993 - why not map this note?
2015-07-18 22:25 Hathz: I can add a slider I suppose
2015-07-18 22:25 Kuki: 00:10:195 (6,7,8,9) - really overmapped, spinner perhaps instead?
2015-07-18 22:26 Hathz: Alright
2015-07-18 22:27 Kuki: 00:19:748 (1,2,3) - so weird to just stop streaming when it sounds like there should be one and still map stream beat
2015-07-18 22:29 Hathz: Ok I can fix that
2015-07-18 22:30 Kuki: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/729681 Cutos - Between Sanity and Insanity [Extra]]
2015-07-18 22:31 Kuki: 00:21:591 (5) - mapped to nothing
2015-07-18 22:33 Kuki: 00:44:720 (2,8) - stack
2015-07-18 22:33 Kuki: 00:53:519 - you miss this note
2015-07-18 22:34 Kuki: 01:57:290 (3,6) - fix overlap
Exa
Modding done


[Normal]


00:00:139 (1) - Definitely no need for such a long finish.
00:25:278 - It's confusing that you are mapping that since you began with the heavy audio samples.
00:25:949 - Skipping such sounds while you have mapped them before makes that part feel inconsistent. Try ending the slider on the white tick and leaveing the red unmapped.
00:27:792 - Same goes for that.
00:28:295 (1,2) - Imperfect blanket.
00:30:474 - You gotta map stuff like that though. It's indeed an awkward rhythm for Normal diff.
00:58:463 (2) - I am generally unsure of the rhythm you follow.
01:24:608 (1,2,3,4,1) - Might be too difficult for newbies. Ask a BN about that.
01:27:290 (4) - Get rid of that finish. It's honestly unnecessary. (Sound good, but you exceed the preferable hitsound length by too much).
01:43:379 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Rip Normal.
02:26:284 (5) - Adasf finish.
- There are unsnapped objects.

[Hyper]


00:00:139 (1) - Why not change it into a normal slider, use a note on 00:00:642 - and then use another slider on 00:00:809 that ends at 00:01:480 - in order to actually both tap and map the piano. The start another slider at 00:01:647 - in order to map that beat and finish it where the slider is currently ending. It works because you map the most important stuff and also provide introductory flow and rhythm that will make the player more familiar with the overal difficulty early in the song. TL;DR
00:04:161 - Don't slow down sliders on <Insane diffs. It feels honestly really weird while playing.
00:15:885 - Move (9) here.
00:18:910 (1,2,1) - These jumps might be too hard. "Hyper" as a difficulty name justifies them though.
00:40:865 (2,3) - Too cramped. Might affect gameplay due it's difficulty to be read. It also looks aesthetically bad. Do something like this. (Imperfect example but you get my point).
00:59:804 (3,4,5,6) - That is also too hard since you have lowered the tension with the hold-reverse-sliders and the steady cursor movement and suddenly you start mini-jumps. That's not cool since the actual tension on the chorus does not justify them.
01:01:480 (3,4) - Too big of a jump and the transition feels weird due to the slider shape.
01:03:156 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Asymmetrical (Nazi) and also too hard.
01:43:379 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Honestly these are too hard but also fit. Ask a BN please before touching them.
01:54:441 - You map that audio sample here so the player taps but for the most part of your song, you don't. It feels inconsistent but does not directly affect the gameplay.
01:55:111 (4) - Same goes for that too.
01:55:111 (4) - Aaaand that.
01:56:452 (4) - AAAAaaaand that.
01:57:122 - And here you stop mapping it the same way.
01:59:301 (4) - Make it have same spacing with both sliders.
02:04:832 (1,3) - Rotate (1) so it's symmetrical with (3)'s after-red-anchor part.
02:18:072 (4) - Make it have same spacing with both sliders.

[Another]


00:04:161 (1) - Space this note a bit more. It doesn't represent the tension which is generated by the deep piano notes.
00:06:842 - Don't leave that unmapped.
00:08:183 - Same goes for that, since you've mapped notes of the same nature before, it only seems weird skipping them now.
00:10:865 (1) - I get why you would slow down this but 00:11:871 (4,1) - these are not the same. There is increased tension here (buildup) and you are only holding the player back this way. (Same goes for every other slowed down slider of the same section).
00:21:088 - Try to bring out those audio samples, why not do a mid-steam mini-jump.
00:23:435 (4) - This slider seems out of place because it's curve is not justified by the audio it's representing. (Not to mention it starts on a red tick which is a big no-no).
00:23:184 (2) - You are mapping nothing here.
00:26:117 (4) - Same goes for that, with the difference that this is not curved. Why not start the slider 00:25:949 - here? It would make much more sense.
00:24:524 (2) - You are mapping nothing here.
00:25:865 (2) - Nothing here either. I am going to stop pointing them out, recheck all your triplets again.
00:24:776 (4,5,6,1) - Very unfriendly flow, also the spacing compared to everything previously is very different.
00:28:128 (7,1) - Too little spacing here, emphasize the kick on (1) better.
00:37:178 - Mapping that sound after skipping it so many times is inconsistent and plays awkwardly.
00:38:184 (4,5) - The transition is weird due to the slider shape.
00:39:692 (5,6) - Random reverse sliders. If you can explain why you used them here, that would be nice.
00:40:698 (2) - The slider path is not directly unclear but it is most certainly weird. You could have used a better slider for this. Like 00:38:184 (4) - for example.
00:41:536 (6,1) - Broken flow does not emphasize strong beats in the most respective way. The spacing is too small here.
00:42:038 (2,3) - This is a good example of inconsistent hitsounding in relation to the hitobjects used. The clap is on the head of (2) and then on the tail of (3).
00:51:089 (1,2) - Imperfect blanket.
00:52:094 (3,1) - Imperfect blanket.
01:06:172 (1,2,3,4) - The flow here becomes rather weird due to the fact that the back-and-forth jump creates linear flow, which transforms into elliptical due to the shape of (3) and then it discontinues, transiting into (4) without letting the player actually reach the end of (3), creating another snappy flow. All that mashup of movement becomes confusing for players of this map's level. I suggest playing around with the hitobjects a bit more on this pattern.
01:18:575 (4,1) - They touch. They shouldn't.
01:17:067 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - You are treating the same audio sample pattern in a different way on this set of hitobjects. Try staying consistent for the sake of nice gameplay.
01:23:267 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Big no here. Keep the flow going. Antijumps server nothing I can think of.
01:38:351 (2) - I get that you are using the shape to bring out the sound in the middle but it feels weird skipping that while playing.
01:42:876 (3,4,5) - Use higher spacing here, especially on (4,5).
01:43:714 (2,3,4,5,6) - Same goes for that. Do Ctrl+S and input at least 1.2.
01:59:133 - Don't skip that.
02:04:161 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - I wouldn't use a stream here. There are notes like 02:04:244 (5,7) - that map nothing.
02:05:837 (4,1) - The overlap is asymmetrical. Fix it a bit.
02:24:776 (8,1) - Space them out a bit more.

[General]


- Check Ai on all diffs.
- Normal is generally cul. Trying playing around with the rhythm a bit more. I couldn't understand if you were treating certain audio samples as map worthy or not.
- The difficulty gap between Normal and Hyper is too big. This might (probably will) make your mapset unrankable.
- Another might need a very good reevaluation of the patterns due to the triples that map nothing.
- Offset is 129 (I might be 1-2 ms off)

I didn't mod the rest of the difficulties because I can't stream well (membrane kb masteraze). I can't play them to check the flow and therefore I can't mod them. Just stack 00:22:597 (1,1) - on W1. Overall awesome mapset, I had some people testplay and they told me it's pretty decent. Sadly I couldn't tell for myself.
Topic Starter
Hathz
Thank you very much for the mod :)

Exa wrote:

SPOILER
Modding done

[Normal]


00:00:139 (1) - Definitely no need for such a long finish. Changed on all difficulties.
00:25:278 - It's confusing that you are mapping that since you began with the heavy audio samples.
00:25:949 - Skipping such sounds while you have mapped them before makes that part feel inconsistent. Try ending the slider on the white tick and leaveing the red unmapped.
00:27:792 - Same goes for that.
00:28:295 (1,2) - Imperfect blanket.
00:30:474 - You gotta map stuff like that though. It's indeed an awkward rhythm for Normal diff. All of the above: Remapped this section
00:58:463 (2) - I am generally unsure of the rhythm you follow. Should be better now
01:24:608 (1,2,3,4,1) - Might be too difficult for newbies. Ask a BN about that. Will edit if deemed too hard
01:27:290 (4) - Get rid of that finish. It's honestly unnecessary. (Sound good, but you exceed the preferable hitsound length by too much). Okay
01:43:379 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - Rip Normal. I'll leave this as it is for now, seems easy enough to me
02:26:284 (5) - Adasf finish. You may take my finish but you'll never get my whistle!!
- There are unsnapped objects. Fixed, I'm not really sure how the unsnapped stuff happened since I checked before initially uploading the map

[Hyper]


00:00:139 (1) - Why not change it into a normal slider, use a note on 00:00:642 - and then use another slider on 00:00:809 that ends at 00:01:480 - in order to actually both tap and map the piano. The start another slider at 00:01:647 - in order to map that beat and finish it where the slider is currently ending. It works because you map the most important stuff and also provide introductory flow and rhythm that will make the player more familiar with the overal difficulty early in the song. TL;DR Sure, I like it
00:04:161 - Don't slow down sliders on <Insane diffs. It feels honestly really weird while playing. Changed, slider now has slightly different timing
00:15:885 - Move (9) here. Moved and kept the position of the note as it is, whether that jump is now maybe a bit too hard I can't tell for sure
00:18:910 (1,2,1) - These jumps might be too hard. "Hyper" as a difficulty name justifies them though. Moved a tiny bit closer
00:40:865 (2,3) - Too cramped. Might affect gameplay due it's difficulty to be read. It also looks aesthetically bad. Do something like this. (Imperfect example but you get my point). Fair enough, it plays a little better too I'd say
00:59:804 (3,4,5,6) - That is also too hard since you have lowered the tension with the hold-reverse-sliders and the steady cursor movement and suddenly you start mini-jumps. That's not cool since the actual tension on the chorus does not justify them. Changed
01:01:480 (3,4) - Too big of a jump and the transition feels weird due to the slider shape. Too used to insane diffs ._.
01:03:156 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Asymmetrical (Nazi) and also too hard. Lmao
01:43:379 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Honestly these are too hard but also fit. Ask a BN please before touching them. Alright
01:54:441 - You map that audio sample here so the player taps but for the most part of your song, you don't. It feels inconsistent but does not directly affect the gameplay. Changed this section to be similar to the what comes afterwards
01:55:111 (4) - Same goes for that too.
01:55:111 (4) - Aaaand that.
01:56:452 (4) - AAAAaaaand that.
01:57:122 - And here you stop mapping it the same way.
01:59:301 (4) - Make it have same spacing with both sliders. Sure
02:04:832 (1,3) - Rotate (1) so it's symmetrical with (3)'s after-red-anchor part. Check
02:18:072 (4) - Make it have same spacing with both sliders. Check

[Another]


00:04:161 (1) - Space this note a bit more. It doesn't represent the tension which is generated by the deep piano notes. Check
00:06:842 - Don't leave that unmapped. Added stuff and slightly remapped
00:08:183 - Same goes for that, since you've mapped notes of the same nature before, it only seems weird skipping them now. ^
00:10:865 (1) - I get why you would slow down this but 00:11:871 (4,1) - these are not the same. There is increased tension here (buildup) and you are only holding the player back this way. (Same goes for every other slowed down slider of the same section). Remapped this section, should feel better to play now
00:21:088 - Try to bring out those audio samples, why not do a mid-steam mini-jump. I'm not quite sure how to make this play and feel nice so I'm leaving it as it is for now

A note about the following points: This difficulty (and Extra) are intentionally using weird slider shapes and asymmetry along with some anti-flow and hard-to-play patterns. I wanted to make this play a little bit "special" regardless of whether it's objectively correct or not. While I did change a few things like removing triplets and adjusting flow, most of this will remain the same for now. Stuff highlighted green got changed. Blue things are partially changed or not relevant due to a remap.

00:23:435 (4) - This slider seems out of place because it's curve is not justified by the audio it's representing. (Not to mention it starts on a red tick which is a big no-no).
00:23:184 (2) - You are mapping nothing here.
00:26:117 (4) - Same goes for that, with the difference that this is not curved. Why not start the slider 00:25:949 - here? It would make much more sense. - I actually disagree, there is a distinct kick sound on the red tick which is what this slider is mapped to
00:24:524 (2) - You are mapping nothing here.
00:25:865 (2) - Nothing here either. I am going to stop pointing them out, recheck all your triplets again.
00:24:776 (4,5,6,1) - Very unfriendly flow, also the spacing compared to everything previously is very different.
00:28:128 (7,1) - Too little spacing here, emphasize the kick on (1) better.
00:37:178 - Mapping that sound after skipping it so many times is inconsistent and plays awkwardly. - I think it plays fine, and it's not really skipped that much. Changed the order two other objects near this point though.
00:38:184 (4,5) - The transition is weird due to the slider shape. - Good :)
00:39:692 (5,6) - Random reverse sliders. If you can explain why you used them here, that would be nice. - Streams at that point on the Extra diff, hence the sliders.
00:40:698 (2) - The slider path is not directly unclear but it is most certainly weird. You could have used a better slider for this. Like 00:38:184 (4) - for example.
00:41:536 (6,1) - Broken flow does not emphasize strong beats in the most respective way. The spacing is too small here.
00:42:038 (2,3) - This is a good example of inconsistent hitsounding in relation to the hitobjects used. The clap is on the head of (2) and then on the tail of (3).
00:51:089 (1,2) - Imperfect blanket.
00:52:094 (3,1) - Imperfect blanket. - Need a zoom feature in the editor cause I have a hard time seeing details like that
01:06:172 (1,2,3,4) - The flow here becomes rather weird due to the fact that the back-and-forth jump creates linear flow, which transforms into elliptical due to the shape of (3) and then it discontinues, transiting into (4) without letting the player actually reach the end of (3), creating another snappy flow. All that mashup of movement becomes confusing for players of this map's level. I suggest playing around with the hitobjects a bit more on this pattern.
01:18:575 (4,1) - They touch. They shouldn't.
01:17:067 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - You are treating the same audio sample pattern in a different way on this set of hitobjects. Try staying consistent for the sake of nice gameplay.
01:23:267 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Big no here. Keep the flow going. Antijumps server nothing I can think of.
01:38:351 (2) - I get that you are using the shape to bring out the sound in the middle but it feels weird skipping that while playing.
01:42:876 (3,4,5) - Use higher spacing here, especially on (4,5).
01:43:714 (2,3,4,5,6) - Same goes for that. Do Ctrl+S and input at least 1.2.
01:59:133 - Don't skip that.
02:04:161 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - I wouldn't use a stream here. There are notes like 02:04:244 (5,7) - that map nothing.
02:05:837 (4,1) - The overlap is asymmetrical. Fix it a bit. - Symmetry would look too "artificial" in my opinion
02:24:776 (8,1) - Space them out a bit more.

[General]


- Check Ai on all diffs. Done
- Normal is generally cul. Trying playing around with the rhythm a bit more. I couldn't understand if you were treating certain audio samples as map worthy or not. Should be better
- The difficulty gap between Normal and Hyper is too big. This might (probably will) make your mapset unrankable. I hope not
- Another might need a very good reevaluation of the patterns due to the triples that map nothing. Triples taken care of
- Offset is 129 (I might be 1-2 ms off) Changed
PurpleHawk
I can't testplay these maps, starting to get early symptoms of RSI so I quit playing :'(
Looks like an awesome mapset :)

General: Don't know if it would be any good for gameplay, but I think this is the rhythm of the drums at the end of the streams at 00:20:995 and 01:48:230:
Those are 1/6 sliders

I'm guessing you've chosen the combo colors based on the video? I would suggest matching the changes in combo color to the changes in color in the video in that case. So only yellow/grey/red in one section of the video and blue/grey (+ maybe add another blueish color?) in the other section

Normal: 00:58:788 (3) - Wouldn't recommend putting circles under slider ends on Normal/Easy, could be hard for a beginner to read

Riki's Expert
00:16:218 (1,2,3,4) - From what I can hear this is a steady 1/2 drum beat, so it's nice to emphasize that using single notes, however I don't understand how the jump from (4) to (1) fits into this? All of the notes have the same beat and imo should be emphasized equally. So even though the jump is very clear because of the repeating pattern it emphasizes (1) when there really isn't anything unique about (1)?
00:20:995 and 01:48:230 - Check general comment
01:04:486 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Tension is rising for these notes, so I would slightly increase the DS for each pair, like 1.4x, 1.6x, 1.8x: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3448551 and move the slider upwards to increase the distance between it and (2)
Or emphasize it even more then that?
01:24:598 (1,2) - I would maybe replace these with single notes to emphasize the strong beats?
02:04:822 (1,2,3,4, .... ) - I don't see the queue for such a large change in DS from the part before? I like the pattern and the sliders at 02:05:492, but imo those square jumps are too big considering the spacing of the other notes and the lack of significant change in the music. My suggestion would be to decrease the DS of the first jumps at 02:04:822 to 1.7x and then decrease the DS for the second jumps at 02:06:833 to 1.6x. The sliders would need to be decreased a bit aswell, but I still think it's nice to have a larger DS on those since they "catch" you.
Wish I could play this, it looks nice :)

Good luck with the mapset :D
RikiH_

PurpleHawk wrote:

00:16:218 (1,2,3,4) - From what I can hear this is a steady 1/2 drum beat, so it's nice to emphasize that using single notes, however I don't understand how the jump from (4) to (1) fits into this? All of the notes have the same beat and imo should be emphasized equally. So even though the jump is very clear because of the repeating pattern it emphasizes (1) when there really isn't anything unique about (1)? Yeah, reversed the middle part so I made a very cool pattern. Also lol, star difficulty decreased by 0.2
00:20:995 and 01:48:230 - Check general comment Well, there also are strong 1/4 drums, and I'd prefer to follow them
01:04:486 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Tension is rising for these notes, so I would slightly increase the DS for each pair, like 1.4x, 1.6x, 1.8x: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3448551 and move the slider upwards to increase the distance between it and (2)
Or emphasize it even more then that? Okay, changed a bit
01:24:598 (1,2) - I would maybe replace these with single notes to emphasize the strong beats? Okay, also made a jump
02:04:822 (1,2,3,4, .... ) - I don't see the queue for such a large change in DS from the part before? I like the pattern and the sliders at 02:05:492, but imo those square jumps are too big considering the spacing of the other notes and the lack of significant change in the music. My suggestion would be to decrease the DS of the first jumps at 02:04:822 to 1.7x and then decrease the DS for the second jumps at 02:06:833 to 1.6x. The sliders would need to be decreased a bit aswell, but I still think it's nice to have a larger DS on those since they "catch" you. Not sure about this... I'll just keep it for now, I'll wait for more opinions

Wish I could play this, it looks nice :) Thanks!

Good luck with the mapset :D
Update!

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Nitrousdragon
I wanna make a Super Expert so bad for this map, love the song :)

I was so excited about making it I finished a third of it today. If u want to take a look at it, download it from puush: http://puu.sh/jgNIx.osu

This Super Expert level is based mostly off of the Ethereal series, however, most Super Experts that I design are based off of jumps.
Topic Starter
Hathz
Hi,

You're welcome to make a Super Expert level (I gotta say I've never seen that name before lol), I like what you've done so far (maybe needs a little polish). I don't know what difficulty level you're aiming for exactly but please try to fit it somewhere in the middle of the existing two.
Come[Back]Home
Normal

00:06:832 (2,1) you could let those slider end on the next white tick. Its fits more, and it wont sound the unexpected
00:10:855 (1,2,3,4,1) I dont about this in a normal. As far as i know its not okay to change the ds in a Normal. You should keep the normal ds
00:18:899 (1,2) I dont like multiple repeats in Normal since they are too confusing imo
00:32:307 (3,4) If you'd move (3) a bit up, it could look like this.

00:36:330 (1,3) Overlap intended? I dont like how it looks
00:42:531 (2,3) You should keep the normal ds in normals
00:51:581 (4) There were unranks because of sliders like this used in normals
00:55:101 (1,2,3,4) Same as 00:18:899 (1,2)
00:58:285 (2,3) You could stack them perfectly
00:59:626 (5,6) ^
01:03:145 (1) Multiple repeat
01:05:156 (4,1) Keep constant ds in normals
01:07:838 (3,1) ^
01:09:849 (3,4) ^
01:16:218 (2,1) ^
01:24:598 (1,2,3,4,1) ^
01:46:050 (1,2,3,4) Multiple repeats
01:56:106 (4,1) ds is different
02:04:821 (1,2,3,4) This looks weird since every slider has a different and weird shape, you should let them look at least a bit similar, looks better
02:07:503 (1,2,3) Those are touching the hp bar which is unrankable
02:15:547 (1,3) I dont think you should do overlaps like this in a normal since you can barely see the sliderend of (3)
02:23:592 (1,2,3,4) Multiple repeats

Hyper

00:24:263 (1,3) They are touching which looks not really nice
00:26:609 (3,1) I'd look cooler if (1) is straight like (3)
00:29:626 (1,2,3) (1,2) are not overlapping, so why is (3) overlapping with (2)? Doesnt fit
00:51:079 (1,2) This has a weird flow, i dont think the sliderhead of (2) should be under (1)
00:54:766 (1) The NC here is unnecessary
01:21:246 (3,2) They are touching

Another

00:21:078 (3,4,5) 1/8 would fit here
00:21:413 (7,8,9) ^
00:24:765 (3,4) This looks weird. ctrl+g?


I really like this diff :o
Awesome!

Good Luck with this cool mapset :3
Nitrousdragon

Hathz wrote:

Hi,

You're welcome to make a Super Expert level (I gotta say I've never seen that name before lol), I like what you've done so far (maybe needs a little polish). I don't know what difficulty level you're aiming for exactly but please try to fit it somewhere in the middle of the existing two.
Yep, I'm trying to balance it out while going over 5.25 stars. Had to redo the streams and shorten the jumps just to reduce the difficulty. Atm Super Expert is 5.26 stars (besides the long spinner at the end, like on RikiH's Expert) due to slight alterations (1/4 sliders in streams, shorter jumps, etc). Once I map the rest, I should be able to give you the GD.
repr1se
Hello. M4M from #modreqs.

W1
00:18:900 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Uncomfortable to play. Angle them?
00:20:156 (4,1) - Space these streams the same as the previous ones? (1.6x spacing)
00:41:693 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - Was this intended or just filler? It doesn't follow the same rhythm as previous combos
00:55:939 (6,7) - Use 1.6x spacing for this (as you did in previous jump streams)
00:56:358 (10,1) - ^
00:58:034 (4,1) - ^
01:45:883 (8) - Curve this.
01:48:732 (1) - Curve as well. I think the SV change is too much. I suggest 0.25x
02:24:933 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - Make these more spaced instead of less spaced.

Extra
Overall having three SV's is quite straining. Consider reducing it to 2 SV's.
00:47:056 (1) - Make this a slower SV instead of a faster one
01:43:034 (6,1) - Space closer together
01:50:073 - Have the spinner end here and add notes to 01:51:414 - and 01:52:755 -
01:56:777 (1,2) - Space closer together

Riki's Expert
00:19:570 (9) - NC
00:20:911 (9) - NC
00:26:945 (1,2) - Curve/Anchor
00:28:788 (3,1) - ^
00:57:112 (9) - NC
00:59:794 (9) - NC
01:09:850 (1) - Curve/Anchor
01:26:945 (1) - Use a lesser SV
01:46:721 (9) - NC
01:48:062 (9) - NC
02:15:883 (2,3,4) - Angle these? or CTRL+G 2 and 4
02:24:263 (9) - NC

Another
00:39:012 (1) - Curve/Anchor
02:16:889 (1,2) - Make symmetrical

Hyper
00:00:632 (2) - move to x:372, y:60
00:18:900 (1) - SV change feels too sudden, make previous sliders slightly faster to compensate?
00:47:056 (1) - Could be better as one note
01:48:900 - Have the spinner start here

Nothing to say for Normal.

Overall thoughts:
The overall style is new. It requires a playthrough to understand what's going on with SV's, jump streams and such. It's not necessarily bad, but try not to overdo it (you didn't overdo it in this mapset). Good luck!
Topic Starter
Hathz
Hey, thank you for the mods :)
Changed everything except what's written here:

Come[Back]Home wrote:

SPOILER
Normal
DS rechecked
02:04:821 (1,2,3,4) This looks weird since every slider has a different and weird shape, you should let them look at least a bit similar, looks better - I like them weird (:

Hyper
00:26:609 (3,1) I'd look cooler if (1) is straight like (3) I liked the idea so it took some maneuvering to get this and next one done or it would overlap the HP bar
00:29:626 (1,2,3) (1,2) are not overlapping, so why is (3) overlapping with (2)? Doesnt fit
00:51:079 (1,2) This has a weird flow, i dont think the sliderhead of (2) should be under (1) I CTRL+G-ed that slider

Another

00:21:078 (3,4,5) 1/8 would fit here - I don't think I wanna quite go into 1/8 for this difficulty level, even if it may fit the music better
00:21:413 (7,8,9) ^
00:24:765 (3,4) This looks weird. ctrl+g? Changed this pattern

Repr1se wrote:

SPOILER
Extra
Overall having three SV's is quite straining. Consider reducing it to 2 SV's. I think I'll keep 3 for now
00:47:056 (1) - Make this a slower SV instead of a faster one - I prefer the faster motion on this slider
01:50:073 - Have the spinner end here and add notes to 01:51:414 - and 01:52:755 - Let's keep it consistent between diffs - The slider is that long because of the flare effect on the background video; the slider ends when the flare disappears.

Another
All changed

Hyper
00:18:900 (1) - SV change feels too sudden, make previous sliders slightly faster to compensate? - Improved by reducing SV to 1.3x
Mazziv


Ello Umaru-chan comes to mod this map!

sorry i went through erverything and i really feel like this is a post rank mod. i cant really find anything holy shit
well done guys
RikiH_

Repr1se wrote:

Riki's Expert
00:19:570 (9) - NC
00:20:911 (9) - NC Don't want to make 8-notes streams since they are too easy
00:26:945 (1,2) - Curve/Anchor
00:28:788 (3,1) - ^ I like straight slider here, since the music is perfect for them
00:57:112 (9) - NC
00:59:794 (9) - NC
01:09:850 (1) - Curve/Anchor
01:26:945 (1) - Use a lesser SV I love that pattern, the sound is the same so no need do decrease the SV imo...
01:46:721 (9) - NC
01:48:062 (9) - NC
02:15:883 (2,3,4) - Angle these? or CTRL+G 2 and 4 Okay
02:24:263 (9) - NC
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Ayy Lmao
Nitrousdragon
UMG FINALLY DONE. MIGHT REDO BC IT LOOKS CRAPPY TO ME. :3

http://puu.sh/jqRcg.osu
Topic Starter
Hathz
If you're gonna redo it let me know, otherwise I'll upload this and then prepare to get smited by mods (just kidding)
Nitrousdragon

Hathz wrote:

If you're gonna redo it let me know, otherwise I'll upload this and then prepare to get smited by mods (just kidding)
Upload it. If people say this is unrankable, I will redo it or just make it an unranked bonus diff.
not winber1
SPOILER

Repr1se wrote:

Hello. M4M from #modreqs.

W1
00:18:900 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Uncomfortable to play. Angle them? Angle them how? They are already angled? Also seems to play fine for me.
00:20:156 (4,1) - Space these streams the same as the previous ones? (1.6x spacing) fist off, it's not 1.6x spacing, that's the stream jump spacing. secondly, that stream spacing is too small for me when it comes to a bigger stream like this. I personally like the flow of this better
00:41:693 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - Was this intended or just filler? It doesn't follow the same rhythm as previous combos it's supposed to follow the synth triples in the background. I began following it in the beginning of the sections, then i go to the drums, then i come back at the end. it was intended, and I do intend to leave it there unless i'm offered a better alternative or some reasoning as to why it plays really badly
00:55:939 (6,7) - Use 1.6x spacing for this (as you did in previous jump streams)
00:56:358 (10,1) - ^
00:58:034 (4,1) - ^ not sure what ur talign about here, everything is spaced pretty much equally
01:45:883 (8) - Curve this. this was actualy meant to be straight to point towards the next note lol
01:48:732 (1) - Curve as well. I think the SV change is too much. I suggest 0.25x This is something i'd definitely like to keep unless the BN's and/or QAT bitch about it otherwise. It's quite clear what is intended tho, and the player should know what's up
02:24:933 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - Make these more spaced instead of less spaced. to me, it kinda sounds like the music is climaxing but also dying out at the same time, and i think this pattern makes the most sense to me.
I changed a few things myself.
http://puu.sh/jJp4I/44fe65d3ea.osu

Mostly I just want to let you know i'm not dead.
Topic Starter
Hathz
I was getting a bit worried when your profile disappeared, good to hear you're still breathing :)
Thanks for the update, submitted.
Regou
Hello~ M4M!
[W1]
00:21:162 (12) - Extend this to 00:21:288 - ?
01:05:492 (6) - changing this into a 3/4 slider would make much more sense to me since the background noise ends at somewhere between 01:05:660 - 01:05:743(I'm not sure)
01:17:224 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern deserves having greater spacing than the previous one since the pitch is higher here
01:44:710 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - (Optional) Rotate this pattern by 180°? It's because I am not really in favor of how 01:44:543 (8) - and 01:44:710 (1) - is connected right here: the spacing is way too small.

Nice job!

[Extra]
00:08:174 (2) - (nazi) This should be more curvy, blanketing 00:08:676 (3) - better.
00:14:710 (7) - Remove this note? Since you're following the violin in this NC, I would suggest you to be consistent in adding notes. Same for 00:15:380 (8) - .
00:25:604 (1,1) - (Nazi) Blanket them better.
00:36:162 (3) - Ctrl+H for better flow
00:47:056 (1) - imo place it on (10) instead of (11) would improve the flow.
00:57:615 (4) - (Optional) Ctrl+G? I saw you used this pattern before which fits the music well.(00:56:107 (3,4) - ) Same for 00:58:956
(6) - .
01:59:040 (13) - Remove the clap at slider end? It doesn't fit at all! :< (imo) Same for 02:09:766 (12) - ,02:20:492 (12) -

[Expert]
00:53:509 - Add a note here? the 1/4 rhythm is pretty obvious here.
02:05:492 (5) - You may remove NC here since even the NC is removed, the pattern can still be easily read during gameplay.
02:06:833 (1) - This NC isn't really necessary.
02:15:548 (1,2,3,4) - I am uncertain about this one. The song is getting quite intense in this kiai but you suddenly decrease spacing here, which does not fit the atmosphere of the song. I'd suggest changing this pattern.

[Another]
Generally, imo you should prevent overlapping like 00:33:146 (4,6) - and 00:47:392 (1,4) - since they look a bit clumsy, while you're not making a consistent pattern.

00:07:670 (1) - I'd suggest deleting this note to fit the sound of piano.
00:48:397 (6) - NC?

[Hyper]
00:15:549 (1) - NC? There is a sudden change in the music.
00:30:967 (1) - NC?
01:01:973 (1) - NC?
02:17:224 (2) - Change this in to a 1/2 slider? imo this fits the music better.

[Standard]
This diff is okay, got nothing here.

Sorry for my poor modding skill ;w;...I hope my mod is helpful for you guys~
Good Luck!
RikiH_

Regou wrote:

[Expert]
00:53:509 - Add a note here? the 1/4 rhythm is pretty obvious here. Ok
02:05:492 (5) - You may remove NC here since even the NC is removed, the pattern can still be easily read during gameplay. Ok
02:06:833 (1) - This NC isn't really necessary. Ok
02:15:548 (1,2,3,4) - I am uncertain about this one. The song is getting quite intense in this kiai but you suddenly decrease spacing here, which does not fit the atmosphere of the song. I'd suggest changing this pattern. Don't know, I'll wait for more opinions
osu file format v14

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NYEEES
Topic Starter
Hathz
Sorry for the later reply, I was busy :3

SPOILER

Regou wrote:

Hello~ M4M!

[Extra]
00:47:056 (1) - imo place it on (10) instead of (11) would improve the flow. changed in a different way

[Another]
Generally, imo you should prevent overlapping like 00:33:146 (4,6) - and 00:47:392 (1,4) - since they look a bit clumsy, while you're not making a consistent pattern. Fixed some that kinda didn't work out, but it's placed like that on purpose; it's meant to have a "chaotic" look to it and I don't want to change it too much unless i really have to

[Hyper]
00:15:549 (1) - NC? There is a sudden change in the music. I think the change is more prominent here 00:16:218 (1) and adding that extra NC makes it look not nice

[Standard]
This diff is okay, got nothing here.

Sorry for my poor modding skill ;w;...I hope my mod is helpful for you guys~
Good Luck!
Slayed_old_1
what a nice map
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