osu! Idol [CONTEST OVER - WINNER ANNOUNCED!]

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Sleep Powder
@ above post

I suggest

Smoothness (Clear Voice etc.)
Timing
Creativity (Pitch/Note variation)

I also suggest you avoid judging based on...

BGM quality
Disliked voice
Song Choice (how the song sounds instead of the singer)
Kiddo-Kun

animask wrote:

@ above post

I suggest

Smoothness (Clear Voice etc.)
Timing
Creativity (Pitch/Note variation)

I also suggest you avoid judging based on...

BGM quality
Disliked voice
Song Choice (how the song sounds instead of the singer)

I like that ~
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Haneii

animask wrote:

@ above post

I suggest

Smoothness (Clear Voice etc.) thanks, this shall go under voice.
Timing Don't you think that's a bit too technical?
Creativity (Pitch/Note variation) I really like this one. Thanks

I also suggest you avoid judging based on... I also like that you suggested what judges shouldn't be base their scores on

BGM quality I guess, but within reason
Disliked voice
Song Choice (how the song sounds instead of the singer) Definitely
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Sign me up (har har), but if I don't come up with an entry, you can disqualify me.
But I will try to get it within the time given, I just don't have much computer/mic access.
Ekaru

Haneii wrote:

animask wrote:

@ above post

I suggest

Timing Don't you think that's a bit too technical?
Not at all. Timing is one of the biggest parts of singing, it's like half of what creates the melody (the rest being the singer's voice singing to the correct pitch). Without correct the melody can be horrendous. If you can tell that their timing is off then they should be deducted points for that.

And I don't mean 'you can tell if you slow it down' off or '1/100 of a second' off, I mean if you can tell with the naked ear at 100% speed that they're off with virtually no doubt for a significant portion of the song without comparing to the original version of the song. That's a pretty big margin for error if you think about it.
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Haneii

Ekaru wrote:

If you can tell with the naked ear at 100% speed that they're off with virtually no doubt for a significant portion of the song without comparing to the original version of the song. That's a pretty big margin for error if you think about it.
Okay :) . I'll add Timing to the categories.
Powerdrone
I really like the idea of categories! Here's my two-cents...

Voice: The quality of the performer's voice. Did they sing clearly? Could you understand the lyrics (anunciation)? Did their voice flow? Was the performer on key?
Entertainment Value: How you enjoyed the performance. Think about song choice, how it was performed, did it make you feel an emotion?
Creativity: Specifics about the performance. Did the performer "make the song their own"? Did the performer take risks (and did they work ;D )?

Perhaps an Overall category? Marking the whole performance overall.

Also, the judges should provide comments about what they thought for each category and the performance as a whole.

^_^

Edit: Oops also timing. Didn't mention that anywhere, but it's okay =P
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Haneii
Categories so far:

  • Voice: The quality of the performer's voice. Did they sing clearly? Could you understand the lyrics (annunciation)? Did their voice flow? Was the performer on key?
    Entertainment Value: How you enjoyed the performance. Think about song choice, how it was performed, did it make you feel an emotion?
    Creativity: Specifics about the performance. Did the performer "make the song their own"? Did the performer take risks (and did they work ;D )?
    Timing: If timing is off then they should be deducted points for that.
    (note: not “you can tell if you slow it down” off or “1/100 of a second” off. Refers to when you can tell, with the naked ear, at 100% speed that they're off with virtually no doubt for a significant portion of the song without comparing to the original version. That's a pretty big margin for error if you think about it.)
    Overall: Sum of all scores from all four categories




I think 4 categories are enough. Thanks for the suggestions guys. I’ll most likely copy/paste this to the instructions I’ll be sending the judges (I’ll be sending the judges everything they need/need to know on August 2nd).



animask wrote:

I also suggest you avoid judging based on...
BGM quality
Disliked voice
Song Choice (how the song sounds instead of the singer)
edit: ^^added "the singer's sex/gender/etc"

Any more suggestions on what you think judges should avoid?
Ekaru
Ooh, ooh, I know! The singer's sex/gender/etc.! Hey, people do that with beatmap ratings all the time so you might as well add it.

Also, I just realized that I haven't really sung much since after I hit puberty some years ago. Judges, brace yourselves!
Fangfall112
I think I will join.... ^~^
KoromoAmae
I think that creativity and entertainment value should be rolled into one category because they're subjective and difficult to gauge accurately, while voice should be split into pitch accuracy and enunciation clarity to give more objective measures and keep the number of categories at 4.
Kiddo-Kun
Two more slots..... Who is gonna take it?
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Haneii
silly dtk- there are unlimited slots :P
Kiddo-Kun

Haneii wrote:

silly dtk- there are unlimited slots :P
Yes, silly DTK
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Haneii

KoromoAmae wrote:

I think that creativity and entertainment value should be rolled into one category because they're subjective and difficult to gauge accurately, while voice should be split into pitch accuracy and enunciation clarity to give more objective measures and keep the number of categories at 4.
I don't think Voice should be broken down like that...a score from 1-10 based on all those qualities seems enough (imo).
And entertainment value and creativity are different. Entertainment value is the overall feeling the song gives you, etc, etc...and creativity is how well you make it your own/spice things up etc...

But I don't think creativity and entertainment should have a high scoring. How about?

Voice- score out of 10
Timing- score out of 5
Entertainment value - score out of 5
Creativity- score out of 5

neh minna, what do you think?
rust45
I might as well try this.

If I don't cough up an entry (which is what my singing will sound like) just disqualify me.
Mashley
I thought this was a singing contest not a composing contest... How are we supposed to be creative, just bastardise the song? That's awful. Timing also is impossible when audacity decides to fuck up your timing even when you sing in time to the instrumental.
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Haneii

Agent Spin Here wrote:

I thought this was a singing contest not a composing contest... How are we supposed to be creative, just bastardise the song?
You might have a valid point here. Plus what if the judges don't know the original song. They wouldn't really know if you we're being creative or not at a certain point. Can someone come up with a strong argument for why creativity should be a judging category? (If not I'll remove it)

Agent Spin Here wrote:

Timing also is impossible when audacity decides to fuck up your timing even when you sing in time to the instrumental.

Ekaru wrote:

Timing is one of the biggest parts of singing, it's like half of what creates the melody (the rest being the singer's voice singing to the correct pitch). Without correct the melody can be horrendous. If you can tell that their timing is off then they should be deducted points for that.

And I don't mean 'you can tell if you slow it down' off or '1/100 of a second' off, I mean if you can tell with the naked ear at 100% speed that they're off with virtually no doubt for a significant portion of the song without comparing to the original version of the song. That's a pretty big margin for error if you think about it.
Jarby
I think it would be best to not judge like that at all. Each judge should arrange their votes on their entries from best to worst.
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Haneii

JarJarJacob wrote:

I think it would be best to not judge like that at all. Each judge should arrange their votes on their entries from best to worst.
There are 20+ contestants for the first round. Don't you think it'll be a little difficult for them to list/arrange entries from best to worst?
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