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Why is There No 7K Being Ranked?

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Aqo
Every single chart that gets ranked these days is 4K what the hell. Do BATs just ignore 7K mapsets or nobody wants to mod them or... what is the problem? I'm pretty sure there's a nice amount of 7K players, at least over a thousand, so why are there no mapsets to support this playbase?

I won't complain about lack of 5K/6K or even 7K+1 because I know there aren't a lot of players here who play those modes, but 7K!???
Jinjin

Aqo wrote:

Every single chart that gets ranked these days is 4K what the hell. Do BATs just ignore 7K mapsets or nobody wants to mod them or... what is the problem? I'm pretty sure there's a nice amount of 7K players, at least over a thousand, so why are there no mapsets to support this playbase?

I won't complain about lack of 5K/6K or even 7K+1 because I know there aren't a lot of players here who play those modes, but 7K!???
4K is definitely more popular than 7K on mania. But I agree, I want to see more 7K maps ranked.
Kamikaze

Aqo wrote:

I won't complain about lack of 5K/6K or even 7K+1 because I know there aren't a lot of players here who play those modes
h-hey there, I feel sad now
Elementaires
rank my map

-Kamikaze- wrote:

#rankhardermaps2015 project vol.36
Bobbias

Aqo wrote:

Every single chart that gets ranked these days is 4K what the hell. Do BATs just ignore 7K mapsets or nobody wants to mod them or... what is the problem? I'm pretty sure there's a nice amount of 7K players, at least over a thousand, so why are there no mapsets to support this playbase?

I won't complain about lack of 5K/6K or even 7K+1 because I know there aren't a lot of players here who play those modes, but 7K!???
Yeah, I've noticed a very sharp decline in 7k maps being ranked lately. This is one reason I've been playing mania less lately. Sure, 4k is still fun for me, but 7k is my main mode.
Tidek
2013 - 1st half 2014 = 7k time
2nd half 2014 - 2015 = 4k time
2016 = 5k/6k/8k time?!
Jinjin

Tidek wrote:

2013 - 1st half 2014 = 7k time
2nd half 2014 - 2015 = 4k time
2016 = 5k/6k/8k time?!
inb4 9k time
Elementaires
end time
[Crz]Player

Tidek wrote:

2013 - 1st half 2014 = 7k time
2nd half 2014 - 2015 = 4k time
2016 = 5k/6k/8k time?!

2013 - 1st half 2014 = 7k time
2nd half 2014 - 2015 = 4=7-3k time
2016- = 7-3-3=1k= jackhammer time :P its arithmetic decrease
Jinjin

ATTang wrote:

Tidek wrote:

2013 - 1st half 2014 = 7k time
2nd half 2014 - 2015 = 4k time
2016 = 5k/6k/8k time?!

2013 - 1st half 2014 = 7k time
2nd half 2014 - 2015 = 4=7-3k time
2016- = 7-3-3=1k= jackhammer time :P its arithmetic decrease
Define {a_n} = 7-3×(n-1)
Where n = ceiling(year-2013.5) (year > 2013.5), n = 1 (2013 < year ≤ 2013.5)

Negative keys incoming (sun)(sun)
Kamikaze

Tidek wrote:

2013 - 1st half 2014 = 7k time
2nd half 2014 - 2015 = 4k time
2016 = 5k/6k/8k time?!
ALL OF MY YES
on a more serious note, it's hard to get a certain keymode ranked if nobody mods it
for example if you'd have the exact same map in 4k, 7k and 9k, you'd take for example 2 months to rank 4k, 5 months to rank 7k and god knows how long to rank 9k. It's stupid, but that's the reality
Especially when you want to rank an non-4/7K marathon, that's total pain in the ass
JamesHappy
rank mine also

I agree with this. Tbh i had enough of those 4k only mapsets. i know some of you don't agree with this, but remember this is osumania, not a just "4K only" game mode. I would love to play the mapset if they included another keymode for wider audience. Also i would like to see some rank maps that has at least two key modes.
Valedict
stepmania
Charles445
I feel like there aren't as many 7K maps in pending (from what I've seen), 4K is really popularly mapped right now.
I would like to see more 7K, not sure how to go about it, though.
Bobbias

Charles445 wrote:

I feel like there aren't as many 7K maps in pending (from what I've seen), 4K is really popularly mapped right now.
I would like to see more 7K, not sure how to go about it, though.
Yeah, there's a decline in the number of people trying to rank 7k maps in the first place. The problem with getting mods is most likely a very big contributor to that. The other issue is that since 4k serves as the introduction to mania for new players playing autoconverts (which let's face it, is where the vast majority of new mania players will start) many players are learning 4k immediately and then simply ignoring the other key modes, or claiming that they are too hard to learn. Since some of these new players will begin learning to map, and few mappers will try to map key modes they can't even play, it makes sense that there would be an increase in 4k mapping over 7k.

I've been thinking that it would be nice if mod queues got an overhaul... Currently it's a pain to try to find a mod queue that will accept certain kinds of maps. I was thinking it would be cool if there was a way to filter queues by mode, mania key modes, and accepted song length, and such. And allowing for a better way to specify if a queue is opened or closed at the time would be good.

At least it would take less time to look through queues if that were a thing. I'd bet some people would be more motivated to check for open queues more often too.
Starry-
You need to realise that BNs and modders aren't 'intentionally' ignoring 7K maps at all - the issue is based mainly because people have just stopped making legible 7K mapsets at all for rank recently.

Through my experience as a BN a few months ago the huge majority of things that were requested to me were all 4K mapsets.
4K is definitely the easiest mode to map to a rankable standard, and as a result, we have more 4K maps in pending. This means modders and BNs alike are more accustomed to, and more experienced with handling 4K mapsets simply because there are lots more of them.

If you want to see more 7K mapsets being ranked, then simply more 7K mapsets needs to be mapped first. Then hopefully we'll see more modders being more experienced with 7K mapsets, and as a result, more 7K mapsets are ranked. Pretty simple really, but everyone needs to play their part.
Kamikaze
The issue isn't BN part of modding phase
the issue is everything apart from that in modding phase
we can't really call BNs after we get 2 mods becacuse nobody mods 7k can we?
Starry-
I mentioned the BNs and modders together as I was talking about the whole modding phase generally - not only the BNs.
Basically, if more people map 7K, more people will be experienced in modding 7K. The issue really is the lack of 7K mapsets in pending right now.
Kamikaze
Lack of 7K mapsets also (and imo mainly) comes from mappers just giving up on ranking their stuff beause of how the system works
Starry-
Well if the majority of 7K mappers 'give up' then how on earth are we going to get 7K mapsets ranked at all?
At first it will be hard, of course - until a cycle is maintained where more modders are more exposed and experienced in keymodes other than 4K. But that cycle can only be maintained if more people upload 7K mapsets. There is no other way. You can't just *force* modders to magically become good at modding 7K and willing to mod 7K mapsets.

It's really as simple as that, unless you're willing to share any other ideas.
IamBaum
Well It's true that most current Maps are 4K atm, but i'd still not consider 2015 as the "4K time", we still have less than half 4K - 4Star+ maps, than 7k - 4Star+ maps.

Even though the most mapsets are 4k right now, most of the 7k players here wouldn't even touch most of them anyway due to the lack of difficulty.

I think it's a good thing for 4k to finally get some more "hard maps", cause the 4k community still has way less maps than the 7k one.

But plz... screw 4k and 7k, gimme some DP maps :(
Todestrieb
Osu! need more .pms
Bobbias

Starry- wrote:

Well if the majority of 7K mappers 'give up' then how on earth are we going to get 7K mapsets ranked at all?
Figure out why they're giving up and try to fix things maybe?

Starry- wrote:

At first it will be hard, of course - until a cycle is maintained where more modders are more exposed and experienced in keymodes other than 4K. But that cycle can only be maintained if more people upload 7K mapsets.
We had people who could mod 7k. Hell, I think the majority of people who came to mania in the first year focused on 7k. It's not that 7k has never had a chance to get a foothold, but that the whole system has caused many of them to leave or quit mapping for one reason or another. Two of my favorite 7k mappers have essentially stopped mapping since they became BN, so there's that too.

Starry- wrote:

It's really as simple as that, unless you're willing to share any other ideas.
Maybe you could comment on my previous post, in which I pointed out at least one minor idea that could make things just that much easier to find mods.
Kamikaze

IamBaum wrote:

Well It's true that most current Maps are 4K atm, but i'd still not consider 2015 as the "4K time", we still have less than half 4K - 4Star+ maps, than 7k - 4Star+ maps.
Invalid argument. Star rating is underrating hard 4k unless aiae and overrating hard 7k unless mass of noodles
#thread I'm trying to get more mapsets ranked on keymodes that don't get any love, that is 5k,6k,8k and 9k, but it's just so goddamn hard that it brought me on verge of quitting countless times. Most of them were on my only attempt and ranking hard-ish 7K marathon (you know which one). And I can't imagine how shitty it had to be in the early days. That's why I'm not surprised that most of them quitted.
Topic Starter
Aqo
I just went over the first two pages of pending and all the pending mania mapset is 4K ahhhh this is making me die inside

there needs to be separate queues based on game modes and key modes ;-;

7K Mapsets fished from pending:

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/295703 BlackY - Harpuia [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/328466 TREKKIE TRAX - Bright (Sushi Killer Remix) [3 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/307175 penoreri - Everlasting Message [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/324288 xi - ANiMA [6 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/307328 orangentle / Yu_Asahina - HAELEQUIN [5 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/326785 Silent Siren - Hapimari [3 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/310699 Shiraishi - Shinsei Taiju [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/194539 Mary - Artificial Rose [4 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/318277 Sakuzyo - Imprinting [3 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/310656 CHiCO with HoneyWorks - Ai no Scenario [2 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/210610 xi - Garyou Tensei [5 x 7K]
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/297478 xi - FREEDOM DiVE [???]

this took going over 10 pages. bleh. if we had a separate sorting per game mode and separate for each key mode in mania this wouldn't be so hard to find. ffs.

and why is everybody naming their diffs like SDVX wtf
and wow, for every one 7K there were like 20 4K mapsets. the situation is worse than I thought.

people here are right that autoconverts are part of the problem. the game does a poor job of introducing new players into 7K mode.
starting to give up. osu is a 4k game now...
DJPop
How about creating a 7K mapping contest? Winner (or even 2nd/3rd) gets reward like title/supporter.
That should encourage people to map in 7k mode more, or at least try to create one.
And since not many people mapping 7k at the moment, you'll need to set the minimum of contestants.
Kamikaze

DJPop wrote:

How about creating a 7K mapping contest? Winner (or even 2nd/3rd) gets reward like title/supporter.
That should encourage people to map in 7k mode more, or at least try to create one.
And since not many people mapping 7k at the moment, you'll need to set the minimum of contestants.
Well we actually do have mapping contests and I believe that next one is going to be mania only contest, so I'm looking forward to that.
wouldn't it be op if somebody would map 9k for that and win lol
Arzenvald
hi, i have around 4 7K set in my pending (and graveyard) map (+1 wip) that doesn't get attention by BAT (in old time) and BNs (nowadays) since... wait..

t/229233 overdrivers, i mapped it since 11 months ago..
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/169043 yakan hikou, more than 1 year ago..
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/300605 opposite world, 3 months ago and..
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/308342 claiomh solais, 2 months ago..

my problem of ranking map long time ago : i can get many 7K modders, yet i can't get BAT attention... sad..
and my problem of ranking map nowadays : there's no 7K modders who do real modding, they are give up on modding because their maps can't get attention from BN... lel sad..

and right now, ranking maps is stupid hard & nonsense, simply most of BN who checks 7K (like me) are rage-quitting, no more active 7K modders around, and old mappers quits this game...

but hey... you can always bribe some BNs & do some circle-jerks to make ranking maps easy... at least it works, even more you can bring unrankable issue through ranked if you lucky enough.. as long as "you map for the music" :V
or at least rank your maps in 2 months or lesser... trust me, it works.... mostly if you have good connection with BN friends and made you involved into a good & peaceful group chat in background..
that's how friendship power works right?


ciao
EtienneXC

-Tim- wrote:

stepmania
PyaKura

-Kamikaze- wrote:

mappers just giving up on ranking their stuff beause of how the system works
I beg to differ

Seriously though, from my point of view, I'm just noticing a sharp decline in BNs who can effectively deal with 7K and higher keyamounts. But that's just me and my opinion because of a certain map I'm trying to get ranked since... oh well you all know this story anyway.
[Crz]Player
rip 7k its 4k time
gintoki147
4k should burn in hell
Valedict

EtienneXC wrote:

-Tim- wrote:

stepmania
-Maus-

gintoki147 wrote:

4k should burn in hell
Cuppp
Also if you go to multiplayer there is NEVER 7k rooms anymore. Has been that way for a while
Valedict
4k rejoice in second heaven
Rido
Nice strike Usagi O.<)b
Tidek
Well, now I see like 4 new 7k beatmaps qualified in 2days + 2 of them are marathons and mapsets with extra difficulties, there is no need to complain lol.
JamesHappy
it should be balance though between other keymodes :<
Stefan
It's up to the community, not by the BNG. You have the choice what and how something can be ranked.
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