[ Scarlet Red ] wrote:

Hey~ M4M Queue. Apologies for the late response, IRL got in the way from most of my play time so I used the time I had to actually play and not map but here is my mod.

[Resounding Sorrow]
Quick note: In addition to the changes I also re-NC'ed the map.

• 
  - General Statement: The jumps... I understand this is an Extra but they don't feel natural to me. Like unnecessary. I'm sure this isn't a problem in the ranking process but I guess it's personal taste. It was fun though, but weird in other parts. I meant for the jumps to follow the drums. I had a few friends play test this and they said the same thing. I'll add/remove some stuff to make it more natural.
  - General Statement: A lot... if not... all of your sliders are just straight. Maybe make some curvy. Just a suggestion I probably should, since this is an Extra and I can get crafty.
  - 00:32:488 (4) - Move to (X:268,Y:52). I feel this is a better jumping pattern than a simply back and forth motion. Done, but made it stack with (1) instead.
  - 00:35:488 (4) - Move to around (X:40,Y:164). Another better jumping pattern I think. Done
  - 00:38:863 (5,6) - Prefer this either into a slider or remake the jumping pattern because right now it's... strange.I intended to make a triangle with (1) of the next combo.
  - 00:45:988 (3) - Move to (X:280,Y:16) it's more centered between the two and looks better. Done
  - 00:50:300 (5) - Maybe make this a slider going upwards? I feel that makes it less of a hassle in terms of reading and fits decently. And it doesn't have to go upwards, just make it a slider anyway you want. This is intended. If it's unrankable, I'll change it.
  - 00:51:425 (9) - Move to (X:264,Y:48) for a better jumping flow into the stream... my opinion this fits betterDone
  - 00:53:301 (6,7) - Maybe make this a down slider? This is intended as well.
  00:55:551 (1,2,3,4) - I have an... interesting idea for this part.. okay... so delete the (1) and make that a slider (you can do the placings anyway you want), then keep the (3) (which will now be 2) where it is and then make (3) a circle ontop of (4) as a slider... make sure the (3) directly ontop of the starting circle of (4)... so in total it will be (1) slider, (2) slider, (3) circle direction ontop of (4) slider... if you need help with this you can always PM me...
  Like this?
  
  If that's how it is, I'll change it after your confirmation, but I'll keep it as is for now.
  - 01:25:364 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Very awkward pattern with this rhythm. CTRL+H the (4,5) and see if that works out better for ya. I think it looks good too Done
  - 01:27:051 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Just personal preference I don't really like the fact (1),(3), and (6) land at the same spot... idk just me maybe Done. Made it zig zag somewhat.
  - 01:30:801 (4) - Overlapping... fix Done, stacks after 5
  - 01:45:801 (9) - Place a circle here (will probably be (9) like mine is) and place it directly ontop of(10)'s 1/1 slider. Just plays betterDone
  - 02:56:490 (3,4) - Move (3) to (X:216,Y:76) and move (4) to (X:92,Y:72) for a bit better look.Done
  - 03:37:365 (1,2,3,4,5) - Just... weird to playThis is intended. I'll evaluate this during testing, but so far I'd like to keep it.

Alright! So that's it with this difficulty. Some stuff I've covered here may be present around more areas of the map so I didn't talk about those but yeah... an interesting map... I'm sure with time and polish and modding it'll look a lot more profession. Right now you have some... strange spacings in places and weird jumps but those can be fixed. Also... NICE CHOICE OF SONG Thanks. I'll check the rest of the map.

[Insane]

• 
  - 00:15:613 (4,5) - Make these a slider... maybe?Done, also made a pseudo-blanket
  - 00:30:426 (3) - Too close to the (1), move it a bit away.Done
  - 00:55:551 (1,2,3,4) - Remember what I told you in <Resounding Sorrow> ? Try that rhythm here too. It definitely works a lot better on this difficulty. Done
  - 00:57:707 (2) - Place a perfect note here and dead between the two 1/1 sliders.Done
  - 01:57:613 (2,3) - I feel these are way too far away from each otherDone, moved (1) and (2) down.
  - 02:49:365 (1) - Way too close to the previous stack in my opinion Done, moved down slightly to make a square for the next combo
  - 03:18:428 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5) - I know it's long but this entire part feels awkward when playing the patterns with this rhythm... idk. A lot of sliders could work they don't have to all be circles xD Done, added a few sliders but not too many. I intended for that section to be tapped.

Nothing else here, interesting map definitely can be great once polished off. Good luck

[Hard]

• 
  - General Statement: You leave out a lot of fast snare drumrolls in this difficulty. You can always map these with fast 1/1 repeat sliders on hard and maybe small simple streams. But it's just an idea not really needed.=
  - 00:14:487 (3) - Way too close to previous note Done
  - 00:32:300 (3) - Overlaps sliderDone, repositioned next few combos
  - 01:48:426 (2,3,4,5,6) - This one is better to make a fast 1/1 repeatMade two 1/1 sliders instead
  - 01:51:612 (2,3,4,5) - Doesn't feel right... Done, made 4 and 5 into one slider.

Can't find that much on this difficulty....

OVERALL: This is a cool map with a lot of potential. Do I see a rank possibility? Yes, but not that soon. Keep working at it and you'll get there. Again... awesome song haha

[ Scarlet Red ] wrote:

Apologies for posting again but I wanna just ask something (Idk if it's possible to delete posts since I don't see that option and it's a habit of double posting whoops...) okay so... when you say that you can't make Easy a custom difficulty name... how is DJ Okawari - Flower Dance ranked... and other maps of the sort. Just questioningly.... unsure...

hanyuu_nanodesu wrote:

Yeah, they look fine. But I think it would be better if you use dark blue and dark purple. And I don't know why but the red seems to be too stand out xD maybe try to give it a little (actually little) shade of blue :3

inspectorscout wrote:

Not really a mod, but I can't believe nobody noticed: change the bmp to 160 manually in the timing window, because now it is 159.999, not really a nice number

Hiyori wrote:

Hey there! I'm here (NM) as requested from my Modding Queue

NORMAL:

1. 00:15:987 (6,1) -don't stack circles on sliders. Done
2. 00:19:363 (1,2) - blanketDone
3. 00:22:362 (1,2) - awkward overlap (looks untidy), fix please supposed to stack
4. 00:26:113 (2,3) - blanket (2) blankets the end of (1)
5. 00:41:862 (4) - move a bit downwardDone
6. 00:53:487 (3,1) - untidy overlapDone
7. 00:56:112 (3,4) - a bit too sudden for new player. Try making the reverse slider into just a sliderDone
8. 00:59:112 (5,6) - don't stackI think this one is ok for now, see what other modders think
9. 01:27:987 (6,7) - blanket betterDone
10. 01:46:738 (2,3,4,1) - maybe move this downwards? This looks really messyMoved to the left instead
11. 02:03:238 (8,9) - don't stack. Move 9 so it is visible (Too hard for new players) Done
12. 02:35:114 (6,7) - ^^ same problem aboveDone
13. 02:37:363 (1,2) - ^^Done
14. 02:39:613 (6,7) - ^^ Done
15. 02:41:112 (2,3) - ^^Done
16. 02:50:864 (1,2) - ^^Done
17. 03:05:114 (6,7) - ^^Done
18. 03:39:989 (1,2,4) - fix overlap
19. 03:55:364 (1,2) - Try me

HARD:

• 
  Firstly, I don't think you're following your DS 1.2x, maybe you should fix distance first. I fixed a few notes, but according to #modhelp, Hard doesn't need to be DS snapped. Highly recommended, but not a requirement

1. 00:20:113 (2,3,4) - triangle betterDone
2. 00:21:426 (6) - change this into a circle instead?Done
3. 00:43:362 (1,2) - blanketDone
4. 00:44:488 (3,4) - blanketdistance snap
5. 00:45:987 (6,1) - blanketdistance snap
6. 00:47:487 (3,4) - ^^distance snap
7. 01:30:050 (3) - i don't think this is map to anything, the beat is here 01:29:675not sure what you mean, left as is for now
8. 02:43:364 (1) - Fix the points on this one Done
9. 02:44:864 (7) - also this ^^ ... and so on with the other notesDone
10. 03:24:426 (3,4) - untidy overlapDone
11. 03:29:864 (4) - nice slider Thanks
12. 04:18:613 (1) - end tail at 04:19:175, then at 04:19:363 - add circleintended on that

Hope this short mod helps Goodluck!

Boobs wrote:

WARNING!
I'm new to modding and I don't have a lot of experience. I might make a few mistakes here and there.

Always nice to have a new modder. I'm a new mapper, so I make mistakes as well. Nothing to be ashamed about.

Insane (4.78 stars, 843 notes) Quick Mod

00:14:113 (5) - Improper placement for this slider. Blanket slider end of 00:13:363 (3).

[General]

• You're running into the same problems over and over.
  Your spacing is inconsistent, meaning it's all over the place and they don't have a pattern. So i would use Distance Snapping.
  You should follow the music more, like when you start the stream too early, or when you could add couple of sliders instead of single notes to much rather fit the song and the flow of the map. I've DS'ed the notes that I feel needs DS-ing, and left all others as is. The map is intended to feel somewhat jagged. It's a song of pain and loss.
  
  And the whole intro is done very awkwardly. Example: 00:14:863 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6). If you're going to make your own rhythm, you have to use Distance Snap correctly and place them so they flow better. Since you can't from what it looks like, map it normally.The intro follows the drums closely. I've added/removed/moved some notes so it is closer to the drums, but a remap isn't needed.
  
  00:38:113 (2,3,4) - Inconsistent spacing. Done
  
  00:39:426 (1) - ^I don't see anything significant here
  
  00:39:426 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Pattern too jagged, therefore ugly. Refer to the note above
  
  00:39:988 (4) - Inconsistent spacing.Not incredibly significant but adjusted.
  
  00:41:113 (7) - ^ ^
  
  00:42:613 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^it follows DS 0.8
  
  00:44:113 (2,3,4,5,6) - ^ Adjusted (5) and (6), the others seem consistent
  
  00:46:363 (3,4,5) - ^IMO this is fine. There's plenty of time to move the cursor (and also accentuates pauses in the vocals).
  
  00:49:363 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^Spacing here seems fine. I remapped the section however.
  
  00:54:426 (3,4,5,6) - Delete this part. It follows the drums so I'll keep it here

Reditum wrote:

First thing I see is "spacing is inconsistent" I take it that you're referencing the pre-chorus versus the chorus versus the verse. I intended for them to be jumpy, because they are. I also intended for kiai to be more spaced. If you know the lyrics, it's a final cry. Shouldn't the map reflect that?

I'm ready for this.

Insane:
00:13:176 (1,2,3,4,5) - Ok so you're setting this up to follow the drums. Which is super cool. Except that you have added no hitsounds. Which is not cool. Add claps or something (or my personal preference of using soft hitsounds and then using hitnormals for the drum hits) to make the notes for the song. Added a finish on (1), not sure if that's satisfactory. The map should be adhering to the drums, not imitating it.
00:16:363 (6) - NC pls Done
00:17:113 (7,8,1) - Ok so let's talk about spacing. Spacing is the relative distance between two notes. While varied spacing has become more popular throughout the years, it generally is done with purpose. There is often something in the music cueing spacing changes to happen, or a pattern that requires larger jumps. Additionally, spacing tends to not break the flow of a map by awkwardly pausing. That's what this does. There's no reason for me to suddenly drag slowly to the left, waiting for the next note, but I am, and it's making me very sad, because I was having fun moving around the map. But now I have no momentum, and the fun is gone. It's also hard to read, so I'm not sure when I should hit it. I wasn't able to find the circles you highlighted here.
00:18:613 (1,2,3) - Generally patterns like this tend to be done in slider(s), because it's hard to time out when to hit the middle note, especially when the pattern hasn't been prevelant before in the songDecided not to change this, since a fair number of them are done in sliders already.
00:52:364 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Jumps. Jumps have goals, generally. A good jump pattern will be planned out so it either makes some sort of shape, or goes in some sort of naturally flowing direction. Like when maps have stars, that's because a mapper wants to have 5 notes that jump, for a specific purpose in a specific way, not just because it's a pretty shape. When you have patterns like this, try thinking of shapes that would make sense to look at, but make sense to play as well. Right now, it looks kind of random, and the flow seems pretty messed up.Adjusted pattern.
01:01:364 (1) - Finish plsDone
01:25:363 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Explain to me what this isJumps.
01:26:676 (7,1) - It's spacing like this that I especially want to emphasize. Why is it suddenly shorter here? As a player, I'd hit this note way too early, and I'd additionally have to be waiting awkwardly for it to appear. If you want an anti-jump (which i personally hate but ehhh), then make it more extreme. Otherwise, just space it normally so it's easy to read.Made to stack with (1). An anti-jump here is undesirable.

So I'm a believer in general statements, rather than long mods. So I'm going to stop the specifics here. What you need are a few things

1) Hitsounds. Your last kiai is golden. Claps on 2 and 4. Do that for the rest of the map.Done, but only for the other kiai time. Doing it for the whole song would be overdoing it.
2) Spacing. Think about it. Why are jumps happening? You don't jump just because it's an insane. You jump with purpose I looked over the jumps. All seem fitting. They follow the parts where the drums have a 1/2 bang.
3) Design. Your map should at least look like it has direction. A big problem people have with my maps is that I "Roadmap", aka. I don't make my maps very pattern-based. However, in that road that I make, there's still direction and flow. A lot of times, I'm not sure where the next few notes are going to be.Looks like it to me. Can you explain where you see lack of direction?

Those 3 things should help you get started on the right track. I'm happy to help via PM (or if you can somehow find me in-game ) if you need any assistance making that happen.

These things apply to all diffs, so I'll leave the mods for the other diffs to just those 3 things I listed above. If you'd like more specifics, PM me and I'd be happy to help out. A good thing to help you make nicely informed decisions is to look at other maps. I haven't played osu! realistically since about 2011, but I look at maps all the time, and I see what I like and don't like in ranked maps. I see what gets me excited to play, and I see what makes me not so excited. Take stuff like that, and apply it to your own maps. Why does it work? Does your map do that? Does this thing WORK in your map?

It's a lot, and I'm sorry that a lot of my suggestions are really vague. I really don't want to make a giant post of "this is all that is wrong", but I'd like you to possibly fix things on your own with the guidance I am giving you.

As I said, feel free to PM if you have any questions about the mod.

woohoo

Boobs wrote:

Insane (4.78 stars, 851 notes) Quick Modding

00:14:863 (1,2,3,4,5) - This jump is weird because 00:14:863 (1,2,3) is curved but 00:15:425 (4,5) is straight. I could continue the curve.I don't know what you want. Conflicts with next suggested change.

00:15:425 (4,5) - Boring as fuck because you didn't emphasize this. I would stack 00:15:238 (3,4) and space 00:15:613 (5) to give that slider the emphasis it should have.Read above. Used this change however.

00:19:363 (1) - How come this is placed closer compared to the jumps at 00:18:238 (2,3,1,2,3)?It makes 00:18:613 (1,2,3,1) easier to read and play since 00:18:894 (2) is on a blue tick.

00:27:426 (6,7,8,9) - Inconsistent spacing. if you want to give 00:27:426 (6) more spacing, i would give it MORE spacing, this seem awkward to play and makes an ugly pattern.Fixed pattern

00:30:613 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Too close to 00:30:426 (5). Harder to read.Done

01:31:925 - Place note here please.Nothing significant in the song here

01:32:113 (2,3,4,5) - Fix pattern, use Distance Snapping properly and give the pattern a more prettier flow.The map isn't supposed to flow like other maps. This is fine to read and play.

01:34:175 - Place note here.Again, nothing significant here.

01:35:676 (3,4,5) - please follow the vocals. The whole map centers around the drums, so I'm leaving this as is.

[General]
Your map is very inconsistent with spacing. Please use Distance Snapping 1.0x - 1.5x for non jumps and 1.5x -2.0x for jumps. Make sure the jumps have repeating spacings and more spread sometimes. I use 1.4x for non-jumps and 0.7x for streams. The jumps use 1.8x, 1.9x and 2.0x depending on emphasis and I don't intend for all jumps to have the same distance. Normally I would use more spread, but the map is intended to be jagged, as the song is so (not by the music, but by the lyrics).

One other important thing. Your map is actually WAY TOO SPACED. Try to give space to parts that need emphasis instead of using crazy high Distance Snapping for everything.I did what you said, then you tell me not to do it? Make sure your mod doesn't contradict itself.

Ora wrote:

00:29:675 (1,2,3,4,5) - here I feel like you should continue the same patterns you had at 00:26:675 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I can't change that because the second pattern has a 3/4 (blue tick) note. The differences should be more obvious to show that this is so.

01:31:363 (1) - 2 notes could added here such as Added notes

This

02:48:425 (1) - If you listen closely the drum makes a triplet similar to the place I marked at 01:31:363 (1) - , so this pattern could be changed if you wanted. and the place where you put the triplet: 02:48:800 (3,4,5) - , I don't think I even hear one there. so personally I think the pattern needs to be adjusted. Done

03:23:864 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - I think the pattern here should be more like

This

because I hear a triplet from the drums starting at this circle: 03:24:425 (3) - Fixed

03:37:175 (4,1) - I say put a circle in between these so it is stacked on the slider like I don't hear a triplet here that justifies this

This

03:42:425 (3) - Maybe do the same for this here and maybe here aswell: 03:57:989 (4) - I don't hear a triplet here either

04:00:801 (4,5) - Here is another triplet I can hear that is similar to the one I suggested at: 03:24:425 (3) -Done

I really like this map

To be honest, some of the earlier streams start spaced too close to the previous circle which feels a little out of place for the difficulty of the song. For example the one at 00:51:614 (1,2,3,4,5) - , but the problem is if you spaced it out more from the previous circle: 00:51:426 (11) - , then it might mess up the spacing for the rest of the section. I did my best ^_^ I fixed this one and checked the remaining streams. The other streams are fixed.

I will mod more probably but this is just a quick one. Good luck Aaron

Repr1se wrote:

Ora wrote:

00:29:675 (1,2,3,4,5) - here I feel like you should continue the same patterns you had at 00:26:675 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I can't change that because the second pattern has a 3/4 (blue tick) note. The differences should be more obvious to show that this is so. Yeah you are right, I was just hearing that wrong. I looked over it again and I suggest that you get rid of the 3rd and 4th circles of that combo 00:29:863 (3,4) - , and put a slider where the 3 is under circles 1 & 2. Reason I think this is because the beat in relation to the spacing kind of makes that part confusing.

Here is my example

01:31:363 (1) - 2 notes could added here such as Added notes

This

02:48:425 (1) - If you listen closely the drum makes a triplet similar to the place I marked at 01:31:363 (1) - , so this pattern could be changed if you wanted. and the place where you put the triplet: 02:48:800 (3,4,5) - , I don't think I even hear one there. so personally I think the pattern needs to be adjusted. Done

03:23:864 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - I think the pattern here should be more like

This

because I hear a triplet from the drums starting at this circle: 03:24:425 (3) - Fixed

03:37:175 (4,1) - I say put a circle in between these so it is stacked on the slider like I don't hear a triplet here that justifies this Yeah I think I was just hearing things. I think you are right

This

03:42:425 (3) - Maybe do the same for this here and maybe here aswell: 03:57:989 (4) - I don't hear a triplet here either It looks like you added them anyways O.O I like the new pattern too

04:00:801 (4,5) - Here is another triplet I can hear that is similar to the one I suggested at: 03:24:425 (3) -Done

I really like this map

To be honest, some of the earlier streams start spaced too close to the previous circle which feels a little out of place for the difficulty of the song. For example the one at 00:51:614 (1,2,3,4,5) - , but the problem is if you spaced it out more from the previous circle: 00:51:426 (11) - , then it might mess up the spacing for the rest of the section. I did my best ^_^ I fixed this one and checked the remaining streams. The other streams are fixed.

I will mod more probably but this is just a quick one. Good luck Aaron

Thanks for your mod!

Mapset updated.

Ranking Criteria wrote:

The lowest difficulty must be below 2.0 stars.

[ Seni ] wrote:

00:55:550 (1,2,3,4) - These sliders end on strong beats. Strong beats should be either hit circles or starts of sliders. With sliders starting on proper beats now it would make for a sensible transition into this which would help bridge another awkward gap.
To add to all that, this triple 00:57:050 (5,6,7) really has no sound in the song to justify its usage. It's unnecessary and by forcing it you sacrifice this part 00:57:426 (1,2,3) which has a strong 1/4 sound to open space for a stream. With everything above changed it would comfortably lead into a stream
If you don't trust me you can try to map it like that for a second and listen to make sure it makes more sense music-wise I tried remapping it the best I can. Can you check to see if I got it right?