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The Gambler wrote:

Just do what Mahogany described/what I did and there's your absolute positioning.
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If you want a mouse with absolute positioning, you can try this.

I use it as tablet, but there are options to set mouse (comes with tablet) to pen mode, like so:

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Kradfiz wrote:

If you want a mouse with absolute positioning, you can try this.

I use it as tablet, but there are options to set mouse (comes with tablet) to pen mode, like so:

Doesn't look like he owns an Intuos 3, does he? Also those are hard to find nowadays. My method is cheaper.
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Kradfiz wrote:

If you want a mouse with absolute positioning, you can try this.

I use it as tablet, but there are options to set mouse (comes with tablet) to pen mode, like so:

That's not an absolute positioning mouse though. It's a tablet using the mouse as a pen. Any sort of absolute positioning system is going to need an array of sensors (ie. a tablet) to handle the positioning aspect.
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chainpullz wrote:

That's not an absolute positioning mouse though. It's a tablet using the mouse as a pen. Any sort of absolute positioning system is going to need an array of sensors (ie. a tablet) to handle the positioning aspect.
I apologise but I do not understand the difference between absolute positioning and using mouse like pen. I use the mouse on the tablet and it goes to the same space on screen each time I go to a space on the tablet. Can someone explain how this is different from absolute positioning? :?
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I apologise but I do not understand the difference between absolute positioning and using mouse like pen.

Osu!Wiki wrote:

The biggest difference that a tablet has over a mouse is that it features absolute tracking. This means that every point on the tablet corresponds to a particular point on the screen. If you lift the pen outside of the sensitive range, then put it down on another part of the tablet, the cursor will "jump" to that location. This is opposed to mice, which rely on relative tracking.
Explanation:

Mouse in like almost all cases provide relative positioning since you cannot move from spot [X1:Y1] to spot [X2:Y2] without moving your cursor. Every position change require your corsor to MOVE.
Absolute positioning on tablets allows you to change cursor position without moving it. You touch spot [X1:Y1] - cursor is instantly in this spot, right after this you touch spot [X2:Y2] and cursor will jump there without visible movement.

I think i took it right.
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ZenithPhantasm wrote:

From what he tells me it doesn't work too well but he has to use it due to hand injuries from rock climbing.
Wrong on both accounts. you have the memory of a goldfish

It works exactly like it's supposed to, the problem is that if you change mouse shells, the pen has to be located exactly right relative to your hand position, otherwise (form my experience) you will mess up your muscle memory and it's really obnoxious

I started using it because as I started rock climbing my finger steadiness went through the ground and I didn't wanna go back to regular mouse aiming
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Purple wrote:

ZenithPhantasm wrote:

From what he tells me it doesn't work too well but he has to use it due to hand injuries from rock climbing.
Wrong on both accounts. you have the memory of a goldfish

It works exactly like it's supposed to, the problem is that if you change mouse shells, the pen has to be located exactly right relative to your hand position, otherwise (form my experience) you will mess up your muscle memory and it's really obnoxious

I started using it because as I started rock climbing my finger steadiness went through the ground and I didn't wanna go back to regular mouse aiming
learn to mouse scrub
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[Taiga] wrote:

I apologise but I do not understand the difference between absolute positioning and using mouse like pen.

Osu!Wiki wrote:

The biggest difference that a tablet has over a mouse is that it features absolute tracking. This means that every point on the tablet corresponds to a particular point on the screen. If you lift the pen outside of the sensitive range, then put it down on another part of the tablet, the cursor will "jump" to that location. This is opposed to mice, which rely on relative tracking.
Explanation:

Mouse in like almost all cases provide relative positioning since you cannot move from spot [X1:Y1] to spot [X2:Y2] without moving your cursor. Every position change require your corsor to MOVE.
Absolute positioning on tablets allows you to change cursor position without moving it. You touch spot [X1:Y1] - cursor is instantly in this spot, right after this you touch spot [X2:Y2] and cursor will jump there without visible movement.

I think i took it right.
It's not wrong but it doesn't explain the issue of relative positioning as mouse would have absolute positioning if you didn't lift it up and had a fix starting point. Your cursor movements depens on where you move your mouse relative to it's orientation though. Turning the mouse by 20° and moving the sensor in the same way will yield different results from it not turning.
As people aren't able to hold the mouse perfectly in the same orientation all the time the mouse will drift into some direction over time depending on what the player does(there's an explanation on rsi-chans profile). Therefore every move you make is relative to the position and orientation your mouse had on the previous position and your mouse will end up in a different position compared to its starting position after you made a couple of moves with your cursor starting and ending in the same position(you can easily confirm it by making like 30 halfcircles with your mouse).
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Endaris wrote:

It's not wrong but it doesn't explain the issue of relative positioning as mouse would have absolute positioning if you didn't lift it up and had a fix starting point. Your cursor movements depens on where you move your mouse relative to it's orientation though. Turning the mouse by 20° and moving the sensor in the same way will yield different results from it not turning.
As people aren't able to hold the mouse perfectly in the same orientation all the time the mouse will drift into some direction over time depending on what the player does(there's an explanation on rsi-chans profile). Therefore every move you make is relative to the position and orientation your mouse had on the previous position and your mouse will end up in a different position compared to its starting position after you made a couple of moves with your cursor starting and ending in the same position(you can easily confirm it by making like 30 halfcircles with your mouse).
It still would have drift. The drift has nothing to do with lifting the mouse up. In fact, it doesn't even have anything to do with the sensor itself directly. The way a mouse computes movement uses deltas whereas a tablet doesn't ever compute movement it merely triangulates the location of your pen.
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Razer did make some dual sensor mouse though, so why not? would be nice if there is a button to switch back and forth between "relative" and "absolute" modes.
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The Razer mice use philips twin eye sensors which is not absolute positioning. Iirc those sensors are actually prone to Z axis issues.
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You quite literally need a tablet to achieve absolute positioning. It might as well be the minimalist sensor setup to achieve accurate triangulation data. Your absolute positioning will never extend outside of the area of your "tablet" device. With that said, if you were to use a mouse with a "tablet" device you could achieve absolute positioning but then you are basically just use a giant mouse shaped pen and you've defeated the entire purpose.

If the question is, will I ever be able to use a mouse shaped pen with a tablet? Then the answer is most certainly. But you'll never be able to use just a mouse for absolute positioning. The best you can hope for is that huge leaps are made when it comes to reducing the error on each sensor calculation such that drift becomes negligable. Even then, it will still exist since sensors will never be perfect.
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chainpullz wrote:

You quite literally need a tablet to achieve absolute positioning. It might as well be the minimalist sensor setup to achieve accurate triangulation data. Your absolute positioning will never extend outside of the area of your "tablet" device. With that said, if you were to use a mouse with a "tablet" device you could achieve absolute positioning but then you are basically just use a giant mouse shaped pen and you've defeated the entire purpose.

If the question is, will I ever be able to use a mouse shaped pen with a tablet? Then the answer is most certainly. But you'll never be able to use just a mouse for absolute positioning. The best you can hope for is that huge leaps are made when it comes to reducing the error on each sensor calculation such that drift becomes negligable. Even then, it will still exist since sensors will never be perfect.
It will never happen because in order for a good sensor to track perfectly you need the ideal surface. Unfortunately any surface will wear down due to oils from the human hand. It is impossible because there are too many factors that could affect any sensor.
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Or you can cannibalize a Wacom pen and stuff it inside a mouse shell if you so desire...
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The Gambler wrote:

Or you can cannibalize a Wacom pen and stuff it inside a mouse shell if you so desire...
Won't work for mouse only since your mouse can't actually be plugged in
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Underscore_ wrote:

The Gambler wrote:

Or you can cannibalize a Wacom pen and stuff it inside a mouse shell if you so desire...
Won't work for mouse only since your mouse can't actually be plugged in
If you have a mouse with a separate mouse button pcb then maybe it would still work.
also nice signature
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Underscore_ wrote:

The Gambler wrote:

Or you can cannibalize a Wacom pen and stuff it inside a mouse shell if you so desire...
Won't work for mouse only since your mouse can't actually be plugged in
Ironically, I kept the PCB inside the mouse as it feels too weird being unable to click something.
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