Absolute positioning for mouse, will it ever be possible?

How about 2 sensors for 1 mouse?
No. You have something called a mouse puck which you use on a tablet. It is very expensive and not worth considering and you will need to buy a pretty big tablet as a "mousepad" which is also very expensive.Gitgud with mouse
There was that guy that drilled his stylus inside his mouse and played with it on top of his tablet. So that's basically your absolute positioning. Obv your mouse has to be unplugged.

pandaBee wrote:

There was that guy that drilled his stylus inside his mouse and played with it on top of his tablet. So that's basically your absolute positioning
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From what he tells me it doesn't work too well but he has to use it due to hand injuries from rock climbing.

Dephix wrote:

How about 2 sensors for 1 mouse?
I'm unsure. I'm not a tech-knowledgeable guy, but the way I see it, for absolute positioning, you need the surface to be the thing transmitting the data, not the sensor. The sensor has no idea where it is, it just knows where it's moving. You'd need some sort of surface that's able to read inputs to be capable of absolute positioning.

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I did it at first as it was a proof of concept that worked, hampered by the really shitty mouse shell of choice and now lies in the abandoned wasteland.

Also, the height difference between the tablet and the table surface is awkward and takes time to get used to.

The Gambler wrote:

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I did it at first as it was a proof of concept that worked, hampered by the really shitty mouse shell of choice and now lies in the abandoned wasteland.

Also, the height difference between the tablet and the table surface is awkward and takes time to get used to.
You could always glue/doubleside tape a cloth surface or a sheet of sandblasted plastic/aluminum on top.

Dephix wrote:

How about 2 sensors for 1 mouse?
Doesn't work. You would need something that tells the mouse its exact position in a given place which almost certainly requires a digitizer for anything feasible (unless you want indoor gps or something which I heard has alot of input lag).
(Accidentlaly double posted due to lag) feel free to delete.
I think 2 sensors could work. Although there'd be quite a bit of latency as your mouse processes/calculates where it is and then sends the proper signal for your cursor to move there. But of course, it would never be as accurate as a tablet puck thing because we don't even have completely perfect sensors. Use any "perfect sensor" mouse for a long enough time and eventually you'll find it was perfect enough (and obviously for this to be the sensor and not human error you'd have to get a robot to move the mouse purely by translating and not rotating). Also the mouse would have to keep track of where you are and there'd have to be a starting position and you'd have to never lift the mouse. Why? Because if your mouse wasn't in a starting position how would your mouse know which direction you're going when both sensors detect you moving up?

Anyway, that's just my guess but I don't think any company will ever make such a mouse and I probably didn't think of the loads of other problems that would be encountered with such a mouse.
Mouse and tablet sensors are fundamentally different. Both compute the location of your cursor so many times per second. A mouse computes location by taking the last computed location and using a velocity vector obtained from sensor data. A tablet doesn't need your last known location to compute your current location. Both sensors have some amount of error on every calculation. The difference is that the error from the mouse sensor adds up because it's having to use the previous computed location to find the new one whereas a tablet essentially throws out the old location and computes a new on from scratch.

So to answer your question, no, it won't ever be possible. If you were to replace the sensor technology of a mouse with one that supported absolute positioning it would lose it's identity as a mouse.

FieryLight wrote:

I think 2 sensors could work. Although there'd be quite a bit of latency as your mouse processes/calculates where it is and then sends the proper signal for your cursor to move there. But of course, it would never be as accurate as a tablet puck thing because we don't even have completely perfect sensors. Use any "perfect sensor" mouse for a long enough time and eventually you'll find it was perfect enough (and obviously for this to be the sensor and not human error you'd have to get a robot to move the mouse purely by translating and not rotating). Also the mouse would have to keep track of where you are and there'd have to be a starting position and you'd have to never lift the mouse. Why? Because if your mouse wasn't in a starting position how would your mouse know which direction you're going when both sensors detect you moving up?

Anyway, that's just my guess but I don't think any company will ever make such a mouse and I probably didn't think of the loads of other problems that would be encountered with such a mouse.
maybe 1 more button on the mouse for repositioning and reset
Theres seriously no point in this. Just get good.

HK_ wrote:

Theres seriously no point in this. Just get good.
well there is a point to it, the main advantage between mouse and tablet is absolute positioning, therefore if mouse had absolute positioning, it would be easier to develop muscle memory. And please, get good yourself before you tell others to
fite me m8
Just do what Mahogany described/what I did and there's your absolute positioning.

HK_ wrote:

Theres seriously no point in this. Just get good.
What? Personally I find the prospect of absolute positioning on a mouse to be very interesting.

HK_ wrote:

Theres seriously no point in this. Just get good.
well there is a point to it, the main advantage between mouse and tablet is absolute positioning, therefore if mouse had absolute positioning, it would be easier to develop muscle memory. And please, get good yourself before you tell others to
It would also make some map possible for mouse users. Some maps give no breaks to counter mouse drift.
I hear the higher your dpi the less mouse drift matters. :p

The Gambler wrote:

Just do what Mahogany described/what I did and there's your absolute positioning.
If you want a mouse with absolute positioning, you can try this.

I use it as tablet, but there are options to set mouse (comes with tablet) to pen mode, like so: