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Lach
Hey now you can fix the hitsounds

A Mystery wrote:

Why does everyone think that since that April fools map got ranked suddenly it's alright to use the wrong meta data? I've seen more people linking that and this map to do the same thing (cough nocturnus).
Talking about creating precedents, geez. That Bad Apple should have never been ranked.
Sushi makes funny meme 4 years ago and people still think it's still funny to do this kind of thing. I'm surprised nobody has done it with Never Gonna Give You Up yet because that's how dry this kind of humour is.

Wookiezi wrote:

Song: MIIRO
Artist: Monstrata

He could technically make it his own song and keep the same title.
I wouldn't really put remixing into the same boat as copypasting two songs together in a DAW but ok
A Mystery

Lach wrote:

Hey now you can fix the hitsounds

A Mystery wrote:

Why does everyone think that since that April fools map got ranked suddenly it's alright to use the wrong meta data? I've seen more people linking that and this map to do the same thing (cough nocturnus).
Talking about creating precedents, geez. That Bad Apple should have never been ranked.
Sushi makes funny meme 4 years ago and people still think it's still funny to do this kind of thing. I'm surprised nobody has done it with Never Gonna Give You Up yet because that's how dry this kind of humour is.
Yes, it is funny, but now there have to be people to ruin that fun and (complain about) abuse (of) that one-time-april-fools-qualify.
Erishtar

Kyubey wrote:

No.
Can Kyubey be cuter ?
ac8129464363

Minakami Yuki wrote:

wrong metadata is just wrong, it can cause dq, so dont be amazed that it happens.
I also dont know why https://osu.ppy.sh/s/299000 can be ranked, maybe justin bieber's song have no source so the mapper can use touhou as source? or it's just a carelessness from QATs.

the mapset itself is quite well, good luck on re-qualifying this, tatoe mix is really funny and interesting lol
He made the mp3 himself, so he's free to title it as he wants.

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

You can decide artist/title freely, but we don't accept the current artist/title. Therefore you need to decide a name that does not misleading.
The issue brought up by the QAT, however, is that the title he chose is inappropriate for the game. I guess that's up for debate.
Topic Starter
Monstrata

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

Disqualification Notice



Hello!

Unfortunately, the Quality Assurance Team has decided to disqualify this beatmap. The following is a list of reasons and examples for the disqualification. We do not outline every issue in detail, so make sure to take the idea behind each reason and apply it to the entire beatmap as issues might be found in more than the spots mentioned below. If you have any questions, please reply to this post and we will do our best to clarify any misunderstandings.

General

Misleading Artist/Title

  • The current artist/title is really misleading to the player. You can decide artist/title freely, but we don't accept the current artist/title. Therefore you need to decide a name that does not misleading. I'd like to recommend the following example.
  1. Artist: AKINO from bless4 & CHiCO with HoneyWorks
  2. Title: 海色 & アイのシナリオ
  3. Romanised Title: MIIRO & Ai no Scenario
Unnecessary Source

  • Source should be removed because MIIRO and Ai no Scenario are the different anime songs.
    MIIRO is "艦隊これくしょん -艦これ-" and Ai no Scenario is "まじっく快斗1412".

If you happen to have concerns about this disqualification, you can contest the decision with this form. Before using this form, please read the instructions carefully.The Beatmap Nominators may handle this mapset after the issues have been addressed.

Good luck!

###B
Please requalify this map, you're not allowed to use this "Disqualification Notice" anymore.
Buttercup
wtf?
just no
hent2222
fkin serious? rip my pp!@@!111

always popular map is dq.

My dog cri

Topic Starter
Monstrata

Quality Assurance Team wrote:

Disqualification Notice



Hello!

Unfortunately, the Quality Assurance Team has decided to disqualify this beatmap. The following is a list of reasons and examples for the disqualification. We do not outline every issue in detail, so make sure to take the idea behind each reason and apply it to the entire beatmap as issues might be found in more than the spots mentioned below. If you have any questions, please reply to this post and we will do our best to clarify any misunderstandings.

General

Misleading Artist/Title

  • The current artist/title is really misleading to the player. You can decide artist/title freely, but we don't accept the current artist/title. Therefore you need to decide a name that does not misleading. I'd like to recommend the following example.
  1. Artist: AKINO from bless4 & CHiCO with HoneyWorks
  2. Title: 海色 & アイのシナリオ
  3. Romanised Title: MIIRO & Ai no Scenario
Unnecessary Source

  • Source should be removed because MIIRO and Ai no Scenario are the different anime songs.
    MIIRO is "艦隊これくしょん -艦これ-" and Ai no Scenario is "まじっく快斗1412".

If you happen to have concerns about this disqualification, you can contest the decision with this form. Before using this form, please read the instructions carefully.The Beatmap Nominators may handle this mapset after the issues have been addressed.

Good luck!

###B
On a serious note though, the map was meant to mislead players. I don't think you were aware of that because you wrote "The current artist/title is really misleading to the players" as if it were a statement you concluded on, when it should be a fact from the beginning. Your recommendations miss the point :P.

Talking on #osu.dev with Garven, I will agree that the source could be removed. I will not be changing title/artist though because that's the joke. osu! is also a game, and while players were indeed mislead by the ostensible metadata, the general reception to this Tatoe mix was overwhelmingly positive. People still want to have a laugh too.

Final decision:
Remove Source
Keep Title/Artist


What do you guys think?
Aka

monstrata wrote:

Final decision:
Remove Source
Keep Title/Artist


What do you guys think?
i like the idea about mixing the artists instead though..
AKINO from bless4 & CHiCO with HoneyWorks - TATOE would actually cover both songs, i find it more suitable if we are talking about not so misleading metadata (if not then feel free to ignore me) and "can decide artist/title freely"

im serious lol
Topic Starter
Monstrata
Well, I poked Asphyxia and his opinion was the same as Garven's. The source is definitely incorrect (which i will change) but title/artist are optional even though it is recommended to change them.

I don't want a mash-up because it loses the surprise element and I still want to throw some fun into this set and leave something for players to laugh at.
Kayla
and this ladies and gentlemen is why you dont play qualified maps.
a mapper decides to be deceptive and kills your pp because this genius system cant update meta data without destroying scores.

ps: i have no sympathy for the people who lost pp. i mean dont farm qualified maps. lol dummies.
peppy
If it's a mashup, you should specifically state this in the title (add "bootleg" or something). You can't just change a song and call it the same name as the original.

You aren't trying to surprise people. you llama. That's not what we're here to do.

Do not qualify this map again until someone has checked with me (after a new title has been decided).
Topic Starter
Monstrata

peppy wrote:

If it's a mashup, you should specifically state this in the title (add "bootleg" or something). You can't just change a song and call it the same name as the original.

You aren't trying to surprise people. you llama. That's not what we're here to do.

Do not qualify this map again until someone has checked with me (after a new title has been decided).
Hmm, alright, since peppy disapproves nothing can be done about that lol.

What about:

Title: MIIRO [Bootleg]
Artist: AKINO from bless4 & CHiCO with HoneyWorks
Source: None

Oh, also, would something like "Artist: Tatoe Squad" be allowed in the case of using a [bootleg] tag. Someone suggested this lol.
Kyouren
I really like this metadata:
Artist: AKINO from bless4 vs. CHiCO with Honeyworks
Tittle: MIIRO vs. Ai no Scenario (Tatoe Sekai)

But I think metadata is fine because This song for joke like case Bad Apple and Baby (Neil Watts map) and Bad Apple and Friday (Sushi map)

Because QAT said &, So i think is fine too (And add mashup in tittle or tags)

EDIT:
Wait, who edit this mp3? So who edit this mp3 so let him/her for decides this metadata! (Like case in HELIX (Edit ver.) By Hollow Wings (but mp3 edit by LKs)
Spaghetti
I like the option someone pointed out a while back, to change the artist title to "monstrata" or any other alias of yourself since it technically is your remix. That'll also allow you to keep the surprise element.

I just do not understand how such a professional team can give the thumbs up for one map that does this thing and a fuck you to another map that does the same because the "rules and standards change everyday." I'd find it kind of offensive in my opinion how they're giving someone else special privileges.

By the way, since Yuii- quit, you can probably rework your hitsounds now if you aren't happy with them.
KSHR

monstrata wrote:

What about:

Title: MIIRO [Bootleg]
Artist: AKINO from bless4 & CHiCO with HoneyWorks
Source: None

Since I'm not an English native, I don't know if Bootleg is an appropriate word. If it is, I'd personally say it's much better.
Well, I'm not the one who can make the decision. Take this just as one opinion.

Good luck, monstrata
peppy
For remixes, you don't change the artist. You have (xxxx mix) after it.

I think changing the title to the "vs" one works best, too.
Topic Starter
Monstrata
Bootleg is an english word yes. It would definitely fit in this case.

"A bootleg recording is an audio or video recording of a performance that was not officially released by the artist or under other legal authority."

I'm fine with "MIIRO [Bootleg]". Peppy wanted to see something like that added to the title which is fine by me.

I guess the Artist being "AKINO from bless4 & CHiCO with HoneyWorks" is fine too, but "Tatoe Squad" would be cool, as would "AKINO from bless4 vs. CHiCO with HoneyWorks." I'd prefer one of the latter choices if I was allowed that option.



Thanks for your opinion KSHR!!

I'll try and get this set rolling again some time this week after i rework the hitsounds.
Topic Starter
Monstrata
Hmmm Alright. I like the "vs." one too tbh xD. Artist will stay as "&" and not vs. since we can't change the artist(s). Alright, thanks for confirming, peppy!

Title: MIIRO vs. Ai no Scenario
Artist: AKINO from bless4 & CHiCO with HoneyWorks
Kyouren
I like your opinion, monstrata xD
Artist: AKINO from bless4 & CHiCO with Honeyworks
Tittle: MIIRO vs. Ai no Scenario

But about Previewtime, I think is nice if you put in Ai no Scenario and just my ear is problem or not, but why mp3 quality is bad? (Volume is bad to listening)
Jatie

peppy wrote:

If it's a mashup, you should specifically state this in the title (add "bootleg" or something). You can't just change a song and call it the same name as the original.

You aren't trying to surprise people. you llama. That's not what we're here to do.

Do not qualify this map again until someone has checked with me (after a new title has been decided).
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/299000
Can you explain this then please?
Blizs
Since this mapset get DQed, I'll tell what I've found.

[Kyshiro's Extra]
00:55:692 -
I know the green line was necessary for SV change, but don't give a different sampleset between the green line and red line.

[Walao's Hyper]
00:56:692 - Unnecessary green line. There's no SV change in the green line so the best way is to remove it.
walaowey

Blizs wrote:

Since this mapset get DQed, I'll tell what I've found.

[Walao's Hyper Advanced :v]
00:56:692 - Unnecessary green line. There's no SV change in the green line so the best way is to remove it.lol..fixed, didnt notice that tbh :v
Thanks xDD

@monstrata, help me remove it >w<
Blizs
amazing diff name typo lol
sorry about that ;w;
PatZar
>DQ Notice ;^)................................. good luck for re-ranking guys
for better artist and title, try this one, AKINO from CHiCO - MIIRO no Tatoe, lol why am i here, bye
3312
pls
this name stills win miniK ok no name is 2 greget
Enon
that terrible title
Topic Starter
Monstrata
I know ;__; but i still want to rank this set. /cries




Updated metadata and redid the hitsounding. Should be ready now.
Bladesu
rank hype!
Gamu
Hello monstrata o/ 

As requested. The current metadata is fine!

Good luck on re-rank :3
PatZar
>AKINO from bless4 & CHiCO with HoneyWorks
lol rip jokes
Milan-
title seems to be approved sooo
xxdeathx

Blizs wrote:

[Kyshiro's Extra]
00:55:692 -
I know the green line was necessary for SV change, but don't give a different sampleset between the green line and red line.
dude who the hell cares
Cherry Blossom

xxdeathx wrote:

dude who the hell cares
Loctav cares. And he confirmed this is an unrankable issue.
Topic Starter
Monstrata
Uhh can we get context on that? Because other QAT's say it's not unrankable and they've given adequate explanations for why red/green line stacking isn't unrankable.

I fixed anyways to avoid d r a m a. But i've always thought they were perfectly rankable just unnecessary (but who the hell cares).
A Mystery
How does osu actually handle it? Does it take the hitsound sample set of the inherited point or the timing point? Maybe it could cause some bugs? I've seen maps where the same thing was done and after mentioning it people realized they weren't using the hitsounds they intended to use, because the editor used the hitsounds of one of the points (usually it's simple things like 70% volume instead of 50%, so they don't always notice it)

I think he has a fair point, worth removing to avoid issues
Hinsvar

xxdeathx wrote:

Blizs wrote:

[Kyshiro's Extra]
00:55:692 -
I know the green line was necessary for SV change, but don't give a different sampleset between the green line and red line.
dude who the hell cares
Please don't tell me you're serious. Different samplesets can't be played at the same time, just like when you have different volume values at the same time.
Topic Starter
Monstrata
xxdeathx's point is valid though. stacked red/green lines literally don't matter. Here's an explanation from what I know, a lot of this is just paraphrasing from talking with other QAT's

How red/green lines work is, osu will always prioritize green over red lines. try it with any map. change the red line to soft, and add a green line with Normal sampleset. Osu will make the section Normal and not soft. You can see this with SV changes. Osu will always take the green line value so if theres an SV change between red/green, the section will never be 1.00x SV. Green > Red

The problem is when theres two stacked red lines or two stacked green lines.

Two stacked green lines with different sampleset = osu doesn't known which value to choose so it may take from both, or combine values:
Example, Green Line 1 = 20% volume, sampleset Soft,
Green Line 2 = 50% volume, sampleset Normal,
You may get an output like = 50% volume, sampleset soft. which takes values from both green lines. It's the same idea with red lines. Green line is 1st priority, and red line is 2nd priority. If they are stacked, osu will always take the green line value over the red line value.

Green = Green > Red = Red


I'd like some context as to why this is considered unrankable besides the fact that you heard someone say so. I trust information that i've tested to be true over 2nd hand information xP.
Setz
rip the title and artist.

We've entered the serious face zone. no fun allowed. I guess this also marks the end of the bad apple trolls.

Maybe you would've had better luck if you tried to rank this around April fools, but who knows, the QAT's whims are ever changing.
Erishtar
QAT's Ruining osu :l
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