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Ayumi. - Hanagoyomi short version

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Lasse
Beatmap Nominator
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Lasse
aya
00:41:063 (2,3,4) - why are these suddenly snapped to 1/12
they are 1/2 on all other diffs and were 1/2 here before too lol
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio

Lasse wrote:

aya
00:41:063 (2,3,4) - why are these suddenly snapped to 1/12
they are 1/2 on all other diffs and were 1/2 here before too lol
lol wtf is this ... fixed and updated again.
Lasse
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Lasse
alright then
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio
Thank you very much lasse! :)
anna apple
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anna apple

Lasse wrote:

alright then
Doyak
osu! Alumni
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Doyak
Was just passing by, but may I bring up some questions regarding the top diff?

I like the idea/concept of the map, but sometimes the map seems to ignore details because of that structure.

* 00:09:536 (2,3) - Why are these 3/2 sliders? I mean, there is no sound getting all through until 00:10:286 - . The vocal just ends on around 00:09:786 - , and the flute just goes even further. Then you have 00:10:536 (3) - which kinda makes sense with the vocal but that's not consistent with what 00:09:536 (2) - is following and it ignores a clear beat of 00:11:036 - and ends on nothing.
* 00:51:035 - There's definitely ん sound on that spot, so extending the slider further doesn't make sense to me.
* 01:09:535 (1,2,3,4) - These jumps are... why? I mean if 01:08:868 (1,2,3,4) - were jumps because they're strong vocals, using the same thing over only basic drums/tiny instruments again doesn't make sense. If you feel those basic drums that strong, you should have used constant 1/2 half-screen jump for the entire kiai.
* 01:12:535 (1) - Again this really just seems for the sake of the consistent patterns but musically I can't find anything that suits with continuing this over non-vocals. If 01:10:202 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - are used for the vocals, then 01:12:535 (1) - should be different because the music is different, isn't it? Same for 01:23:202 (1) - .
* 01:14:202 (1,2,3,4,5) - This makes even less sense than the previous jump thing imo, the music is not even intense but why do you have to use jumps here?
* 01:15:202 (1,2,3,4) - As I can clearly hear 01:15:285 (2) - has little to no sound. Maybe that can be used as a slider tail because it's just as similar as 01:15:118 - , but a full stream here? The strong drums are only on 01:15:202 - 01:15:368 - 01:15:452 - 01:15:535 - but this pattern (and the hitsound) invents a non-existing strong drum on 01:15:285 - . Same for 01:27:535 (1,2,3,4,5) - .
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio

Doyak wrote:

Was just passing by, but may I bring up some questions regarding the top diff?
Not going to disappoint you, but the mapper seems afked again...
I‘ll ask her for the idea of your questions when I get contact. Nor really hopeful. Sorry.
Fia
Fia

Doyak wrote:

Was just passing by, but may I bring up some questions regarding the top diff?

I like the idea/concept of the map, but sometimes the map seems to ignore details because of that structure.

* 00:09:536 (2,3) - Why are these 3/2 sliders? I mean, there is no sound getting all through until 00:10:286 - . The vocal just ends on around 00:09:786 - , and the flute just goes even further. Then you have 00:10:536 (3) - which kinda makes sense with the vocal but that's not consistent with what 00:09:536 (2) - is following and it ignores a clear beat of 00:11:036 - and ends on nothing. I forgot to mute the sliderends... Considering the whole song arrange, these two vocals should be treated similarly to emphasize the latter sounds.
* 00:51:035 - There's definitely ん sound on that spot, so extending the slider further doesn't make sense to me.
but it is much weaker than vocals on sliderends of 00:50:202 (1,2) - . Using a sliderend here is still too strong.
* 01:09:535 (1,2,3,4) - These jumps are... why? I mean if 01:08:868 (1,2,3,4) - were jumps because they're strong vocals, using the same thing over only basic drums/tiny instruments again doesn't make sense. If you feel those basic drums that strong, you should have used constant 1/2 half-screen jump for the entire kiai.
actually I was intended just to emphasize 01:09:535 (1,3) - , changed 34 to a slider to make this idea clearly.
* 01:12:535 (1) - Again this really just seems for the sake of the consistent patterns but musically I can't find anything that suits with continuing this over non-vocals. If 01:10:202 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - are used for the vocals, then 01:12:535 (1) - should be different because the music is different, isn't it? Same for 01:23:202 (1) - .
I don't really like following vocal rigidly... But if most ppl can't accept I don't mind to change to sth else.
* 01:14:202 (1,2,3,4,5) - This makes even less sense than the previous jump thing imo, the music is not even intense but why do you have to use jumps here?
I thought mid-jumps are easier than small spacing patterns after former jumps... Since the map is not easy at all, I don't need to insist on this imo.
* 01:15:202 (1,2,3,4) - As I can clearly hear 01:15:285 (2) - has little to no sound. Maybe that can be used as a slider tail because it's just as similar as 01:15:118 - , but a full stream here? The strong drums are only on 01:15:202 - 01:15:368 - 01:15:452 - 01:15:535 - but this pattern (and the hitsound) invents a non-existing strong drum on 01:15:285 - . Same for 01:27:535 (1,2,3,4,5) - .
Ok.
Lasse
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Lasse
doyak didn't pop and his mod was properly replied to so I should be free to rebubble
it's also hp9 again now, but still seems playable enough to me
pishifat
osu! Paragon
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pishifat
normal
01:37:368 (3,4) - better to use less misleading placement. structurally it's similar to 01:36:535 (1,2) - so it could easily be mistaken as the same rhythm. placing 4 not underneath 3 = easy solution

z82585296859647697485967485967485967489657485967485967489674859674
00:18:035 (5) - 01:30:035 (5) - could you use a rhythm more representative of the song's important sound here:( like nothing is indicating the red tick where this object starts is more important than the downbeat

AyayA
00:57:202 (1,2) - super weird when these are representing similar sounds to 00:55:535 (1,2,3,4,5) - yet spacing uses completely opposite ideas. like using larger spacing of any kind is more appropriate

pink
01:15:535 (1,2) - doesnt seem right to use this rhythm/spacing stuff when not supported by 1/4 vocals like 01:18:202 (1,2) - 01:04:868 (1,2) - . rhythm like 01:18:869 (1,2) - is more fitting (even tho it kills pattern zzz)

call me back!
-Atri-
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-Atri-

pishifat wrote:

z82585296859647697485967485967485967489657485967485967489674859674
I see what you did there :p
Fia
Fia

pishifat wrote:

pink
01:15:535 (1,2) - doesnt seem right to use this rhythm/spacing stuff when not supported by 1/4 vocals like 01:18:202 (1,2) - 01:04:868 (1,2) - . rhythm like 01:18:869 (1,2) - is more fitting (even tho it kills pattern zzz)
fixed.
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Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio

PinkHeart wrote:

pishifat wrote:

pink
01:15:535 (1,2) - doesnt seem right to use this rhythm/spacing stuff when not supported by 1/4 vocals like 01:18:202 (1,2) - 01:04:868 (1,2) - . rhythm like 01:18:869 (1,2) - is more fitting (even tho it kills pattern zzz)
all fixed except 01:04:868 (1,2). I think the vocal still need some emphasis here.
卧槽 你再仔细读一读 你他妈改多了吧

Fixed my diff. z1 talked to me offline and he thought current rhythm was still fine.
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Syameimaru-Aya
173 posts
Joined August 2013
Syameimaru-Aya

pishifat wrote:

AyayA
00:57:202 (1,2) - super weird when these are representing similar sounds to 00:55:535 (1,2,3,4,5) - yet spacing uses completely opposite ideas. like using larger spacing of any kind is more appropriate change the shape of 00 : 55 : 535 (1,2,3,4,5)
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243,111,90702,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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z1085684963
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z1085684963
么么哒
pishifat
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pishifat
me too
Lasse
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Lasse
great to finally see this qualified
UndeadCapulet
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UndeadCapulet
om gyess
Cheesecake
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Cheesecake
Seems like you might need to increase offset by +2-3ms or so

fun map!
Eir_DELETED
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gratz!
nice mapset :)
Lavender
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Lavender
gratz

actually this map provides more pp, let's see
Fushimi Rio
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Fushimi Rio
Thank you all :D
Meg
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Meg
\o/
fartownik
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fartownik
Offset is early by bout 15ms
Seijiro
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Seijiro
confirming first offset is off by at least 15ms (I found it to be 20ms myself, but maybe do a middle way between them and put 17-18 ms)

Also, did anyone mention the dumb spinners on those two diffs that have them? They are clearly not following anything, because otherwise they would have ended at 01:44:202 - , where the crash's sound wave ends <.<
pishifat
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pishifat
yeah um

change your offsets and i'll requalify lol
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio
Changed offset +17ms.
Personally I don't really like the spinner... But gders have different thought on the ending sound as well as one of the two sounds did last until 01:42:219 - so it's still reasonable to put a spinner here. I prefer to keep them.
pishifat
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pishifat
re
Ashton
Ashton
Weird map e.e
I Must Decrease
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I Must Decrease
z12031203120321's Insane: 01:30:884 (5) - this note isnt snapped. It 2 MS early.

Ayaya's Extra: 00:25:552 (3) - this note is snapped to 1/16th for its slider end.
pishifat
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pishifat
round 2 baby

aya's thing should be snapped like 01:37:552 (3) -

maybe get lasse to check/bub again so we don't screw anything else up lol
Yuii-
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Yuii-
top diff: 00:40:718 (2) - should be 1/6 instead. this is unsnapped completely, there's nothing in the background music that supports the 1/2

aya's difficulty has that snapping as well, would be nice if you could make it consistent
Fushimi Rio
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Fushimi Rio
round 2
ummmmmmm

Xexxar wrote:

z12031203120321's Insane: 01:30:884 (5) - this note isnt snapped. It 2 MS early. √

Ayaya's Extra: 00:25:552 (3) - this note is snapped to 1/16th for its slider end. √

Yuii- wrote:

top diff: 00:40:718 (2) - should be 1/6 instead. this is unsnapped completely, there's nothing in the background music that supports the 1/2

aya's difficulty has that snapping as well, would be nice if you could make it consistent
This snapping was talked in Lasse's first mod before. For the whole map aya's diff has different style of rhythm choice and placement from the top diff (most rhythm and placement are simplified in this one), so it's not necessary (and not very practical) to make up with that consistence.
I Must Decrease
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I Must Decrease
ya im sorry yuii but following the song is subjective

in all seriousness, why not do a pattern like this:



this objectively follows the song better and is still quite playable.
Shiirn
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Shiirn

imoutosan wrote:

Yuii- wrote:

top diff: 00:40:718 (2) - should be 1/6 instead. this is unsnapped completely, there's nothing in the background music that supports the 1/2

aya's difficulty has that snapping as well, would be nice if you could make it consistent
This snapping was talked in Lasse's first mod before. For the whole map aya's diff has different style of rhythm choice and placement from the top diff (most rhythm and placement are simplified in this one), so it's not necessary (and not very practical) to make up with that consistence.
I'm sorry, did you really just say "Another diff does it correctly, so why should another diff do it right?"

Just trying to be clear here.

This difficulty has no problem dipping into 1/3 and 3/4 rhythms, this small change in rhythm is literally what the music does. Putting 1/2 clicks over it is lazy and bordering on incompetent. You have ranked maps. You should know better than to just bullshit this.
Fushimi Rio
Topic Starter
Fushimi Rio

Shiirn wrote:

I'm sorry, did you really just say "Another diff does it correctly, so why should another diff do it right?"
Nope. Just on the contary.
Fia
Fia

Xexxar wrote:

ya im sorry yuii but following the song is subjective

in all seriousness, why not do a pattern like this:



this objectively follows the song better and is still quite playable.
I can partly agree with the idea... But a slider looks too bulky in a circle-only part imo. Besides someone complained that it could be misread as 1/4 triple because there's no 1/6 rhythms elsewhere, so it's still too intense (even if it were 1/4 triple) for such a calm part of the song.
I Must Decrease
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I Must Decrease
It's quite easy to hit the 1/6th double if you were to do it how I suggested since it's just a quick double tap of two fingers. It's not overly intense if its mapped this way.

If your complaint is readability, know that you switch between 1/3 and 1/4th streams without passive rhythms and with spacing that is extremely unintuitive as well.

As for "slider in a circle only part" being "too bulky", the song didn't decide for you to map this as circles only.
Fia
Fia

Xexxar wrote:

It's quite easy to hit the 1/6th double if you were to do it how I suggested since it's just a quick double tap of two fingers. It's not overly intense if its mapped this way. It's not "hard", but relatively hard. For this part I'd like to make players feel relaxed, so even a little raise of difficulty is counterproductive to the overall arrangement of the map.

If your complaint is readability, know that you switch between 1/3 and 1/4th streams without passive rhythms and with spacing that is extremely unintuitive as well. I'm don't mind it at all. It's some player's feeling.

As for "slider in a circle only part" being "too bulky", the song didn't decide for you to map this as circles only. Yeah, it's just my own aesthetics. The song decided that it should be a relatively calm part here, and as the mapper I think a 1/2 circle only part is a good way to tell that. Different people cam get different preference in expressing a same thing, and this should not be discouraged (if they work, of course), isn't it?
Generally speaking I don't really think following the 1/6 rhythm here is a good idea. In this case either slider or circle is better it not that important to me...
And I think we have different standard of "intense". So discussion about whether your pattern is really hard won't make much sense imo.
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Natsu
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Natsu
you don't really need to map the triplet, maybe just:



or ask someone to add a sound in 1/2 at the mp3 /hides
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