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-Mo-

Nomination Assessment Team

Joined December 2012

-Mo- 2016-01-23T22:34:38+00:00

Hello, rechecking stuff. Focusing on Normal.

Normal
- 00:07:317 (3) - Try and keep slider points centered about the curve to have as smooth looking shape as possible.

Example

http://puu.sh/mGY2x.png

- 00:10:044 (2) - Maybe make the first curve more shallow, since it seems a little unusual at the moment. Also perhaps try a different flow? That isn't as important though. You may need to move the other objects around this.

Example

http://puu.sh/mGYoF.jpg

- 00:14:135 (1) 00:15:499 (3) 00:17:374 (2) - You can improve the shape of these wave sliders. Right now they look weird since there are short 'curves' close to the ends of the slider compared to a longer 'straight' section in the centre. I'd recommend reading the Slider Waves section on this thread.

Examples

- 00:24:192 - I hear a note on this beat. Perhaps rearrange the rhythm to go like this?

Example

- 00:30:328 (3) - This would be better off as a slider to match the guitar. Also the polarity is kind of weird to play anyway. Perhaps try this?

Example

- 00:33:226 (1) - As with 00:10:044 (2) try and centre the curve and make it a little less sharp.
- 00:41:749 (3) - I won't point out these wave sliders again, but apply what I said to the rest of them.
- 00:51:976 (4) - Maybe offset this (and 1) slightly so that there isn't so much of a linear feel to the flow.

Example

- 01:00:499 (1) - I approve of this.
- 01:05:783 (1) - Add a Finish here for the impact on the kiai start.
- 01:16:692 (1) - Similar thing here with the Finish.
- 01:34:419 - I here a note here. So perhaps a slider?

Example

- 01:35:442 (5) - Maybe change this slider to something a bit more interesting for the guitar whammy note.
- 01:46:351 (5) - Could also be a slider if you wanted it to be.
- 01:49:590 (1,2) - Kind of an awkward polarity to play for this part of the music. Maybe add a circle at 01:50:612 ?
- 02:03:226 (1,3) - Maybe change these so that the red slider point isn't so close to the head. This will allow for a smoother shape. Also apply what I said about the curves of these sliders.
02:05:953 (1) - This could be Ctrl+G'd for a better flow if you wanted. It's near the end of the song so it shouldn't cause too much inconvinience to rearrange the notes.
- 02:07:828 (4) - Also check this for the slider curve. Try and make it smoother.

Arf's Hard
- 00:19:590 (1,2,3) - Inconsistent spacing here.
- 00:26:919 (7) - You could make the first curve of this slider a little more prominent. Not too important though. Also double check its blanket with 00:27:601 (8).

Example

- 01:09:874 (4) - Minor blanket thing....

[01:09:192].
- 01:18:567 (5,1,2) - Minor: You could try and make all of these symmetrical with eachother. If you look at it from [01:19:334] you can see it's not quite perfect.
- 01:20:783 (4) - Another blanket thing [01:20:122].
- 01:42:601 (5,1,2) - There are on x1.2 DS, which is inconsistent with the rest of this section.

Insane
- 00:17:374 (2) - Maybe place the red slider point further away from the slider for a better looking slider.

Example

- 00:21:465 (4) - Smilar kind of thing here too.
- 00:26:919 (1) - I don't know about this thing. Maybe try something with less red points?

Example

- 00:30:328 (1) - Maybe try a blanket with 2.
- 00:37:828 (3) - Shift the second slider point up a bit for a better looking slider.

Example

- 00:48:567 (3) 00:52:317 (5) - Same thing as normal with your wave sliders.
- 01:04:760 (1) - This could be a blanket with 01:05:612 (3) if you wanted it to be.
- 01:29:817 (9) - NC this for the SV change.
- 01:36:124 (1,2,3,4) - I feel like you could choose a better flow with these jumps so that there's a better pattern and it doesn't overlap with 01:35:442 (1). You could also just change the slider outright if you wanted.
- 01:46:351 (8) - This one definitely needs changing. Atleast change it so the slider tail doesn't come back on itself like that.
- 01:57:771 (1) - Looks like this slider turned catmull, so you'll have to replace it.
- 02:03:737 (5) - Move the third white point up a bit for a better looking shape.

Example

- 02:05:101 (5) - Same thing here, but with the second point on the first curve.

Sorry that this is longer than you expected/wanted it to be /shrug.
Good luck.

Shinenite

166 posts

Joined February 2015

Topic Starter

Shinenite 2016-01-23T23:47:18+00:00

-Mo- wrote:
Hello, rechecking stuff. Focusing on Normal.

Normal
- 00:07:317 (3) - Try and keep slider points centered about the curve to have as smooth looking shape as possible. Fixed.
Example
http://puu.sh/mGY2x.png

- 00:10:044 (2) - Maybe make the first curve more shallow, since it seems a little unusual at the moment. Also perhaps try a different flow? That isn't as important though. You may need to move the other objects around this. Fixed.
Example
http://puu.sh/mGYoF.jpg
- 00:14:135 (1) 00:15:499 (3) 00:17:374 (2) - You can improve the shape of these wave sliders. Right now they look weird since there are short 'curves' close to the ends of the slider compared to a longer 'straight' section in the centre. I'd recommend reading the Slider Waves section on this thread. Fixed.
Examples
- 00:24:192 - I hear a note on this beat. Perhaps rearrange the rhythm to go like this? Hmm here the sliders follow more of the guitar so I prefer to leave it as is.
Example
- 00:30:328 (3) - This would be better off as a slider to match the guitar. Also the polarity is kind of weird to play anyway. Perhaps try this? Fixed.
Example
- 00:33:226 (1) - As with 00:10:044 (2) try and centre the curve and make it a little less sharp. Fixed.
- 00:41:749 (3) - I won't point out these wave sliders again, but apply what I said to the rest of them. Fixed. I didn't see any other way sliders besides the ones you pointed out soo uhh, hopefully there weren't any others. I'm tired right now might have missed some lol
- 00:51:976 (4) - Maybe offset this (and 1) slightly so that there isn't so much of a linear feel to the flow. Man, that's really nitpicky ahaha, anyways, I guess it makes it look a bit better so fixed.
Example
- 01:00:499 (1) - I approve of this. One day I shall be as good as you in slider shapes, one day
- 01:05:783 (1) - Add a Finish here for the impact on the kiai start. Fixed.
- 01:16:692 (1) - Similar thing here with the Finish. Fixed.
- 01:34:419 - I here a note here. So perhaps a slider? Fixed.
Example
- 01:35:442 (5) - Maybe change this slider to something a bit more interesting for the guitar whammy note. Fixed.
- 01:46:351 (5) - Could also be a slider if you wanted it to be. Eh, another one of those where I feel like a note does it's job so I just left it as is.
- 01:49:590 (1,2) - Kind of an awkward polarity to play for this part of the music. Maybe add a circle at 01:50:612 ? Ahh Arf told me this too but I shrugged it off, I guess if two people point it out I gotta change it. Fixed.
- 02:03:226 (1,3) - Maybe change these so that the red slider point isn't so close to the head. This will allow for a smoother shape. Also apply what I said about the curves of these sliders. Fixed.
02:05:953 (1) - This could be Ctrl+G'd for a better flow if you wanted. It's near the end of the song so it shouldn't cause too much inconvinience to rearrange the notes. Because of changing the sliders due to the above slider I had to rearrange the notes a bit anyways so fixed.
- 02:07:828 (4) - Also check this for the slider curve. Try and make it smoother. Fixed.

Insane
- 00:17:374 (2) - Maybe place the red slider point further away from the slider for a better looking slider. Fixed.
Example
- 00:21:465 (4) - Smilar kind of thing here too. Fixed.
- 00:26:919 (1) - I don't know about this thing. Maybe try something with less red points? Fixed.
Example
- 00:30:328 (1) - Maybe try a blanket with 2. Fixed.
- 00:37:828 (3) - Shift the second slider point up a bit for a better looking slider. Fixed.
Example
[img]00:37:828%20(3)%20-[/img]
- 00:48:567 (3) 00:52:317 (5) - Same thing as normal with your wave sliders. Fixed.
- 01:04:760 (1) - This could be a blanket with 01:05:612 (3) if you wanted it to be. Ahh I can't be bothered to blanket it, it's fine as is..
- 01:29:817 (9) - NC this for the SV change. Fixed.
- 01:36:124 (1,2,3,4) - I feel like you could choose a better flow with these jumps so that there's a better pattern and it doesn't overlap with 01:35:442 (1). You could also just change the slider outright if you wanted. Changed the pattern, hopefully it's better.
- 01:46:351 (8) - This one definitely needs changing. Atleast change it so the slider tail doesn't come back on itself like that. Fixed.
- 01:57:771 (1) - Looks like this slider turned catmull, so you'll have to replace it. Fixed.
- 02:03:737 (5) - Move the third white point up a bit for a better looking shape. Fixed.
Example
- 02:05:101 (5) - Same thing here, but with the second point on the first curve. Fixed.

Sorry that this is longer than you expected/wanted it to be /shrug. Expected way less definitely, wanted, well, more is always good! haha
Good luck.

Thank youuu againnn

Shohei Ohtani

Shohei Ohtani 2016-01-24T01:46:53+00:00

So I kinda skipped a few maps to do this one because I only have 30 minutes free before I have to go to work and the maps before you either had unrankable issues or were like really long and I didn't wanna deal with that until after work.

So congratulations to you

yay.

Overall:
Hitnormals are REALLY loud. I prefer to use either hitsoft, or I like to go into Audacity and I like to make the hitnormal sounds just a little quieter. Right now it sounds like as if I took a snare drum to a flute choir and started banging out eighth notes.

Insane:
00:00:499 - It'd be cool to have a note here and then have the spinner start on the red tick. It gives the entire thing more impact, plus establishes your approach rate early on. Apply this to normal too.
00:10:044 (1) - Clap here pls. Or whatever you're using for your snare drum.
00:11:408 - What's your spacing here? I know that you wanna have it jumpy and stuff, but a lot of times it gets REALLY inconsistent, especially because this is a repeated motif. One group, I may be jumping after the first slider, and in the other group it'll all be normally spaced. Make sure you create an idea at the beginning and stick with it for every iteration of the motif.
00:29:306 (4) - This is a prime example of what I was talking about above. Why is this so short compared to the other notes? It doesn't sound like it needs reduced spacing, but it's just kinda closer.
00:42:431 (8) - Would be nice to have this on the center of the Y axis, above the previous pattern, so it flows nicer.
00:54:533 (1) - This reduced spacing gives the player no momentum to do these next jumps.
01:38:681 (1) - What shape are you creating here?

Hard:
00:18:226 (4,5,6) - These back and forth patterns are a huge peeve of mine. They're just like, not very easy to read, especially since this is the middle diff of the map.
01:57:132 (1) - Unrankable spinner. This is WAY too short. ranking criteria states that a spinner must be able to give at least 2000 bonus, which this one does not. Make a pretty slider here or something.

Normal:
00:00:499 (1) - hitsound on the end of sliders pls.
01:57:771 (1) - You could do WAY more here. Repeated sliders like this are generally frowned upon when they have more than one 1 repeat.

yay. It's a good start, but I'd suggest that you take a little bit more time fine-tuning your insane difficulty. While the basis for great patterns are there, they lack consistency in spacing and cause it to look randomly placed rather than a coherent motivic pattern.

woohoo

Shinenite

166 posts

Joined February 2015

Topic Starter

Shinenite 2016-01-24T10:38:49+00:00

Reditum wrote:
So I kinda skipped a few maps to do this one because I only have 30 minutes free before I have to go to work and the maps before you either had unrankable issues or were like really long and I didn't wanna deal with that until after work.

So congratulations to you Well, thanks for choosing my map I guess! Appreciate it.

yay.

Overall:
Hitnormals are REALLY loud. I prefer to use either hitsoft, or I like to go into Audacity and I like to make the hitnormal sounds just a little quieter. Right now it sounds like as if I took a snare drum to a flute choir and started banging out eighth notes. I don't really think that they're that loud but I decreased the volume a bit anyways, hopefully it's less loud now (although it sounds the same to me honestly lol)

Insane:
00:00:499 - It'd be cool to have a note here and then have the spinner start on the red tick. It gives the entire thing more impact, plus establishes your approach rate early on. Apply this to normal too. I don't really see the need to put a note there.
00:10:044 (1) - Clap here pls. Or whatever you're using for your snare drum. Fixed.
00:11:408 - What's your spacing here? I know that you wanna have it jumpy and stuff, but a lot of times it gets REALLY inconsistent, especially because this is a repeated motif. One group, I may be jumping after the first slider, and in the other group it'll all be normally spaced. Make sure you create an idea at the beginning and stick with it for every iteration of the motif. Fixed.
00:29:306 (4) - This is a prime example of what I was talking about above. Why is this so short compared to the other notes? It doesn't sound like it needs reduced spacing, but it's just kinda closer. Fixed.
00:42:431 (8) - Would be nice to have this on the center of the Y axis, above the previous pattern, so it flows nicer. Fixed.
00:54:533 (1) - This reduced spacing gives the player no momentum to do these next jumps. I think with how the music sounds it's fitting so I left it as is.
01:38:681 (1) - What shape are you creating here? A wave..? I guess it does look a bit weird, fixed it.

Normal:
00:00:499 (1) - hitsound on the end of sliders pls. I think you meant spinner? Fixed though.
01:57:771 (1) - You could do WAY more here. Repeated sliders like this are generally frowned upon when they have more than one 1 repeat. Changed that part.

yay. It's a good start, but I'd suggest that you take a little bit more time fine-tuning your insane difficulty. While the basis for great patterns are there, they lack consistency in spacing and cause it to look randomly placed rather than a coherent motivic pattern.

woohoo

Thanks for the mod

Arf

901 posts

Joined December 2013

Arf 2016-01-24T14:48:43+00:00

-Mo- wrote:
Hello, rechecking stuff. Focusing on Normal.

Arf's Hard
- 00:19:590 (1,2,3) - Inconsistent spacing here. Polished.
- 00:26:919 (7) - You could make the first curve of this slider a little more prominent. Not too important though. Also double check its blanket with 00:27:601 (8). Thanks, looks much better. Checked blanket.
Example
- 01:09:874 (4) - Minor blanket thing.... [01:09:192]. Moved ArfRage.
- 01:18:567 (5,1,2) - Minor: You could try and make all of these symmetrical with eachother. If you look at it from [01:19:334] you can see it's not quite perfect. Nice catch. Adjusted.
- 01:20:783 (4) - Another blanket thing [01:20:122]. Flibbertigibbet
- 01:42:601 (5,1,2) - There are on x1.2 DS, which is inconsistent with the rest of this section. Fixed.

Sorry that this is longer than you expected/wanted it to be /shrug.
Good luck.

Reditum wrote:
So I kinda skipped a few maps to do this one because I only have 30 minutes free before I have to go to work and the maps before you either had unrankable issues or were like really long and I didn't wanna deal with that until after work.

So congratulations to you

yay.

Hard:
00:18:226 (4,5,6) - These back and forth patterns are a huge peeve of mine. They're just like, not very easy to read, especially since this is the middle diff of the map. Mmmmf. Somewhat adjusted so it isn't under the slider.
01:57:132 (1) - Unrankable spinner. This is WAY too short. ranking criteria states that a spinner must be able to give at least 2000 bonus, which this one does not. Make a pretty slider here or something. Blargh. Well it's not pretty, but I think it works now.

woohoo \O/

:^)

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ono

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ono 2016-04-03T11:24:59+00:00

Random mod from nowhere. Hi!

General

adding a gap in your kiai time for the [Normal] and [Insane] difficulties at 01:16:351 - to 01:16:692 - would be pretty cool imo

Insane

00:19:590 (7) - an NC here would make it uniform with the bars that came before it
00:31:181 (3,4,5) - maybe even out the spacing between these three objects?
01:05:783 (5) - consider an NC here because it is the start of kiai
01:30:499 (1,2,3) - maybe you can rotate the first slider -120 degrees to get the second and third sliders? (for example like this)
02:07:914 (8) - consider moving this to the white tick that comes after this and add an extra note to the stream? i feel it is quite unusual to start repeaters on blue ticks like this.

Shinenite

166 posts

Joined February 2015

Topic Starter

Shinenite 2016-04-03T11:53:39+00:00

onoz wrote:
Random mod from nowhere. Hi! Nice surprise, thanks!
General
adding a gap in your kiai time for the [Normal] and [Insane] difficulties at 01:16:351 - to 01:16:692 - would be pretty cool imo

Insane
00:19:590 (7) - an NC here would make it uniform with the bars that came before it
00:31:181 (3,4,5) - maybe even out the spacing between these three objects?
01:05:783 (5) - consider an NC here because it is the start of kiai
01:30:499 (1,2,3) - maybe you can rotate the first slider -120 degrees to get the second and third sliders? (for example like this)
02:07:914 (8) - consider moving this to the white tick that comes after this and add an extra note to the stream? i feel it is quite unusual to start repeaters on blue ticks like this.
Fixed everything.

Thanks for the mod!

Nakano Itsuki

1,218 posts

Joined July 2014

Nakano Itsuki 2016-04-04T15:58:27+00:00

just a quality check
no kd

[Normal]
in fact, you shouldnt stack anything at all for the lowest diff of a mapset. below are the spots that needs changing.
00:30:840 (4,6) -
00:35:612 (4) -
01:03:737 (2,1) -
01:45:328 (3,5) -

00:42:942 (5,6,7) - this rhythm seems a bit dense for a normal imo; not sure how to change this one to a better one tho, you could keep it for the time being if you dont have an alternative.
01:37:999 (3,1) - this sharp angle flow isnt that fitting for a normal. Suggesting this as an alternative: http://puu.sh/o5RIU/03bbc0bab5.jpg

[Insane]
00:54:362 (3,4,5,6) - the spacing of 00:54:362 (3,4) - differs greatly from that of 00:54:533 (4,5,6) - . would recommend to space 00:54:533 (4) - out
00:47:715 (9) - this note seems unneeded and feels mapped to nothing, how about deleting it?
00:53:340 (7) - ^
01:06:465 on the other hand, add something here, feels a bit empty
01:08:169 would suggest to add a circle here, for a variation in rhythm and sounds better imo
00:49:078 (4,5) - not that the stack has a problem, but i just dont see the reasoning behind stacking these two when the rhythm
from 00:49:078 (4,5,6) - doesnt have that much variation.
01:33:056 (7,1) - suggestion this rhythm instead, since the sliderend is on a downbeat http://puu.sh/o5SxX/8ded544e27.jpg
01:49:590 (5,1) - 5 seems to be on a downbeat, change these two to a 1/2 slider instead?
02:07:999 (9,10) - my personal suggestion would be this, since the end of the buzzslider is a strong beat and would be better to emphasize with a circle; the rest are just to make it more interesting. http://puu.sh/o5SIJ/bf7825b4bb.jpg

gl with the fixes!

Last edited by Nakano Itsuki 2016-04-04T17:40:27+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Shinenite

166 posts

Joined February 2015

Topic Starter

Shinenite 2016-04-04T17:00:00+00:00

StarrStyx wrote:
just a quality check

[Normal]
00:42:942 (5,6,7) - this rhythm seems a bit dense for a normal imo; not sure how to change this one to a better one tho, you could keep it for the time being if you dont have an alternative. Yeah I'll leave it as is.

[Insane]
00:47:715 (9) - this note seems unneeded and feels mapped to nothing, how about deleting it? This I agree with,
00:53:340 (7) - ^ but here there is actually a sound, allthough it's quite soft, so I left the note.
01:06:465 on the other hand, add something here, feels a bit empty I feel like putting a note there is a bit too much, idk, it feels better to me without it.

gl with the fixes! Everything else I fixed!

Thank you for yet another check haha

Dangaard

osu! Alumni

1,232 posts

Joined July 2008

Dangaard 2016-05-16T13:51:12+00:00

Now it's Reyn Time!!

Izzywing

osu! Alumni

2,248 posts

Joined March 2016

Izzywing 2016-05-19T03:23:20+00:00

👌👌👌From my queue👌👌👌

ayy xenoblades

[Normal]

00:07:314 (3) - Eww the bend on this slider is ugly [opinion ofc you dont have to change it]

01:42:769 (4) - should be 01:42:599, and then put a hitcircle at 01:43:110 -

01:44:814 (2,3) - Same deal as ^

rest is good

[Hard]

Wow...this is an amazing difficulty, couldn't find any problems x_x

[Insane]

00:10:042 (7) - NC

01:45:155 (5,9) - I'd stack these together, pretty minor change tho

This mapset is really good, so there's not really much for me to say, sorry

I hate doing dinky mods :/\

Tell you what...if you ever have another map you need modded just msg me or something ill do that one too.

👌Good luck!👌

Shinenite

166 posts

Joined February 2015

Topic Starter

Shinenite 2016-05-19T10:06:56+00:00

Hobbes2 Mod

Hobbes2 wrote:
👌👌👌From my queue👌👌👌

ayy xenoblades osu! needs more ~~quality~~ Xenoblade

[Normal]

00:07:314 (3) - Eww the bend on this slider is ugly [opinion ofc you dont have to change it]

01:42:769 (4) - should be 01:42:599, and then put a hitcircle at 01:43:110 -

01:44:814 (2,3) - Same deal as ^ Hmm, I can see what you're going for but I feel like the rhythm works fine as is and I really don't feel like changing it for both of these. If it's really an issue later on I'll change it lol

rest is good

[Hard]

Wow...this is an amazing difficulty, couldn't find any problems x_x See, Arf, no remapping needed. :^)

[Insane]

00:10:042 (7) - NC

01:45:155 (5,9) - I'd stack these together, pretty minor change tho

This mapset is really good, so there's not really much for me to say, sorry I hate doing dinky mods :/\ Ah, that makes me really happy to hear! I've put in so much work in this mapset, glad to hear it's good.. (especially with remapping the Insane recently, heh)

Tell you what...if you ever have another map you need modded just msg me or something ill do that one too. Thanks, will keep that in mind! Sadly I doubt I'll be ranking anything after this gets ranked (if ever...)

👌Good luck!👌

(anything not commented on I changed)
Thanks for the mod

Flowey

101 posts

Joined August 2012

Flowey 2016-05-24T00:39:34+00:00

Hi, NM from my queue!

[Insane]

Mainly NCs, because right now a lot of your combos last for multiple phrases in the music.
00:07:314 (5) - NC maybe.
00:12:769 (4) - ^
00:15:496 (4) - ^
00:18:224 (4) - ^
00:20:951 (5) - ^
00:36:974 (6) - Slightly better flow if you make this slider go up instead of down.
00:38:337 (4,5,6,7,8,9) - Probably want a NC somewhere in here. 01:05:780 (4) might be the best, since it's the start of the kiai section.
01:05:780 (4) - I think the jump to this slider can be larger, especially if you want to emphasize the rest in the music. Same for 01:16:689 (1).
01:09:189 - I think it feels better with a note here.

01:15:752 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Recheck shape. Here's a suggestion:

264,180,75752,5,0,0:0:0:0:
256,148,75837,1,8,0:0:0:0:
260,112,75922,1,0,0:0:0:0:
280,84,76008,1,0,0:0:0:0:
312,64,76093,1,0,0:0:0:0:
344,60,76178,2,0,P|388:72|416:104,1,70

01:25:213 (2,3) - I would put the jumps in between the groups of 2 because this part of the music is pretty intense:
01:32:201 (7) - NC maybe. Or maybe at 01:31:689 (6) instead.
01:34:417 (5) - NC maybe.
01:57:769 (1) - You might want to make this consistent with 01:59:133 (2,3) and 02:00:497 (4,5).
01:59:133 (2) - NC.
02:00:496 (4) - NC.
02:04:587 (4) - NC maybe.
02:05:951 (7) - NC maybe.
02:07:314 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Shape can be improved.

[Hard]

I think you need to map consistent rhythms for this difficulty instead of making small changes to your rhythm from phrase to phrase.
For a large part of the map, the hitsounds completely drown out the music.
00:05:951 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Since this is hard difficulty, I don't think you should switch between mapping the melody and not mapping the melody because it confuses the player.
00:08:678 (1) - Some people will confuse this slider as the same rhythm as 00:05:951 (1) because they both start on similar notes (even if they are different lengths). If you really want this rhythm, then triple circles would be less confusing.
00:11:405 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Either keep the pattern consistent, or alternate between two patterns. Here you map the first phrase with a pattern, the middle two phrases with a different pattern, and the last phrase with a third pattern, even there's no difference between the 4 phrases.
00:22:655 (1,2,3,4) - This rhythm doesn't sound very good right now. Hitsound these properly to emphasize the correct rhythm.
00:27:769 (1,2,3,4,5) - This rhythm is pretty unreadable.
00:35:099 (8) - Nothing in the music suggests a triple here.
00:53:678 (1,2) - If you have 3 claps sounded, you want to make these a group of 3 instead of having the slider (group of 2) and a separate group of 4 00:54:360 (2,3). This would make sense with the 3-note pickup too.
01:07:144 (4,5) - I think the following rhythm is better:
01:09:871 (4) - I would extend this slider to 01:10:724 and remove the hitcircle.
01:11:064 (1,2) - Right now, you are emphasizing this rhythm as a group, but you should probably emphasize 01:11:405 (2,3) as a group of 3 more. I would change 01:11:405 (2) to a reverse slider and remove the hitcircle.
01:12:428 (1,2,3) - ^
01:35:951 (1,2,1,2) - This rhythm doesn't make sense at all to me. It might be a cool rhythm, but there are other rhythms that fit the music better.
01:59:133 (3,4) - These sliders don't fit the melody. I would make them the same as 02:01:860 (5) and I would make 02:01:860 (5) 3 circles instead. Also, you should map 00:00:496 to 00:05:610 with the same rhythm.

[]
Good luck!

Shinenite

166 posts

Joined February 2015

Topic Starter

Shinenite 2016-05-24T15:19:27+00:00

Nephroid's mod

Nephroid wrote:
Hi, NM from my queue!

[Insane]
Mainly NCs, because right now a lot of your combos last for multiple phrases in the music.
01:05:780 (4) - I think the jump to this slider can be larger, especially if you want to emphasize the rest in the music. Same for 01:16:689 (1). For this one I didn't change the first example but did tweak the second.
01:25:213 (2,3) - I would put the jumps in between the groups of 2 because this part of the music is pretty intense: Hmm I can sort of see that but since I mapped all of the other parts that are similar to this one as they are I'd rather keep the consistency.
01:59:133 (2) - NC. For this one and the next I don't really see the need for an NC that much..?
02:00:496 (4) - NC. ^ as mentioned
Good luck! Thank you! Again, stuff I removed I did actually change.

Arf

901 posts

Joined December 2013

Arf 2016-05-27T21:01:34+00:00

Nephroid wrote:

Hi, NM from my queue!

[Hard]
Before I respond I'd like to point out that your mod is quite excellent and touches upon very good points, but unlike the typical map which utilizes so-called passive hitsounding to provide a scant backbeat to the rhythm of the notes, this map employs active hitsounding which provides more of a backbone for the main rhythm while the notes may seem to be attached to different instances of it.

I think you need to map consistent rhythms for this difficulty instead of making small changes to your rhythm from phrase to phrase.
For a large part of the map, the hitsounds completely drown out the music.
00:05:951 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Since this is hard difficulty, I don't think you should switch between mapping the melody and not mapping the melody because it confuses the player. Yeah this one didn't sound right, changed.
00:08:678 (1) - Some people will confuse this slider as the same rhythm as 00:05:951 (1) because they both start on similar notes (even if they are different lengths). If you really want this rhythm, then triple circles would be less confusing. I disagree, triples are not something I wanted to employ here since it is a Hard difficulty and the slider length should really be more than enough to be able to read this.
00:11:405 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Either keep the pattern consistent, or alternate between two patterns. Here you map the first phrase with a pattern, the middle two phrases with a different pattern, and the last phrase with a third pattern, even there's no difference between the 4 phrases. The rhythm is the same except in the first phrase where the sliders are there instead of the repeat sliders, since the three beat is less prominent there. Pattern is irrelevant since it incorporates the same beats as it's previous iteration.
00:22:655 (1,2,3,4) - This rhythm doesn't sound very good right now. Hitsound these properly to emphasize the correct rhythm. Granted, the spinner ending on the big beat messed it up a bit here, but no other combination of hitsounds sounds better here imo
00:27:769 (1,2,3,4,5) - This rhythm is pretty unreadable. It's the toughest pattern reading-wise in the whole map, but it's not extremely difficult and goes along to the rhythm
00:35:099 (8) - Nothing in the music suggests a triple here. Changed this.
00:53:678 (1,2) - If you have 3 claps sounded, you want to make these a group of 3 instead of having the slider (group of 2) and a separate group of 4 00:54:360 (2,3). This would make sense with the 3-note pickup too. Good point
01:07:144 (4,5) - I think the following rhythm is better: The large slider repeat sounds and feels better to me since the 1/2 beat isn't really there and is more implied than anything.
01:09:871 (4) - I would extend this slider to 01:10:724 and remove the hitcircle. I'll consider this but keeping it for now since the next time this pattern appears an extended slider doesn't work.
01:11:064 (1,2) - Right now, you are emphasizing this rhythm as a group, but you should probably emphasize 01:11:405 (2,3) as a group of 3 more. I would change 01:11:405 (2) to a reverse slider and remove the hitcircle. I can see your point here but they are still a part of the same phrase so they should be together in my opinion
01:12:428 (1,2,3) - ^
01:35:951 (1,2,1,2) - This rhythm doesn't make sense at all to me. It might be a cool rhythm, but there are other rhythms that fit the music better. It's a build up rhythm, since the guitar has not properly come into its own yet.
01:59:133 (3,4) - These sliders don't fit the melody. I would make them the same as 02:01:860 (5) and I would make 02:01:860 (5) 3 circles instead. Also, you should map 00:00:496 to 00:05:610 with the same rhythm. The song is slowing down, hence the undermapping to represent that. It loses its effect if you continue mapping the full melody

[]

You Will Know Our Hitsounds

osu file format v14

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Creator:Shinenite
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Good luck! Good mod, lot of red in there but that's a reflection on the differing opinions as opposed to the mod itself, nice work.

Endaris

5,282 posts

Joined June 2010

Endaris 2016-06-10T21:09:14+00:00

Hello there.

General

Please review the timing!
In the following sections there are a few snaps that are early:
01:25:042 - to 01:30:155 -
01:52:314 - to 01:57:428 -

I can tell for sure that 01:25:724 - and 01:54:019 - are early relative to the music. The shift induced by these sections cause the later offset to be slightly off:
You can tell in the part following the green section at 01:57:769 - that the whistle-like sound is always slightly late relative to the metronome. On the bigger hits it is not quite as obvious as they have more blurr but I can hear 02:04:246 - being slightly early compared to the drum so you definitely want to review the timing to check if there are more inconsistencies and offsetshifts for some parts. The sections I mentioned seem to be the biggest issue though.

Normal

This diff may be problematic in terms of spread as it uses 1/2 on a very frequent basis. As you use DS1.0 this can be easily adjust if a BN requests you to ease the diff a bit so I won't really pay attention to it.
If you don't know what polarity is give this a view: t/55282
Charles talks about blue ticks and changing in that video but for Easy and Normal diffs it's also important that the polarity isn't switching all the time between red and white as that is very difficult to tap for a beginner. Switching polarity is fine in general but doing it after every note is a hassle from a playerperspective. The tapping motion on the easiest diff should be somewhat consistent to guarantee a high playability.
Pretty much every of my suggestion on this matter is supposed to keep the core of what you wanted to convey while trying to reduce the tappingdifficulty to a minimum.

00:26:917 - Having this strong sound on a slider end is not good. If you already make the pattern harder to have it covered you should make it an active click. I think using the following pattern is better:

This covers the strong guitar sound with an active hit and it think it is also easier to play because it mimics the previously often used pattern at 00:20:951 (3,4) - in the first part which makes it easier to pick up.

00:29:133 (2) - I think this slider is a miss. 5/2 is a really awkward length to begin with and I think the focus can be improved. With hitsounds on 00:29:985 - and 00:30:326 - it becomes painfully apparent that 00:30:155 - is not covered by the map. In such cases it is often better to pick up notes you can group together instead of notes that are separated by other notes.
Let's say for example that you extend the slider to 3/1: The sliderend and the following slider appear as a unit because they're not split up by something that you cannot cover due to difficulty restrictions. The sound you left out now doesn't appear very present in comparison because you aren't waiting for the next note to click opposed to how it was previously when the unmapped sound played.
A more natural choice would be to make it a 3/2 repeatslider which equals to 3/1 in full length so you get the unit instead of split notes as described.
That way you will also catch another strong guitarsound on the red tick.

00:34:587 (2,3,4) - Replace this with a 3/2 repeatslider as there's a really noticeable guitar sound on the red tick and about nothing on 3.

00:40:042 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern is very uncomfortable to play as you're changing length and polarity with every single slider. I'd recommend you to simplify this pattern and came up with this as a possible solution:

That's way easier to play as the player sticks to red polarity here. He has to switch to white for the next pattern and it misses out on 00:43:792 - but that's not a grave issue as its a separate combo and I think the continous singletaps do a good job of representing the melody going upwards with the guitar.

The part from 00:44:133 - to 01:04:587 - is perfect patternwise, only thing that I'd recommend is lowering the hitsound volume on 01:01:860 (2,3) - as the hitsounds are very dominant over the song on this particular spot.

01:04:758 (1) - I'd make this 1/2 shorter as there's nothing really audible on the white tick it ends on right now.

01:05:780 (1,2,3,4,5) - This is again a really really weird polarity switching. Let's break this down:
01:06:633 (2) - The active click here is the bass. You don't really care about the bass otherwise in the map so I don't think that it is a good idea to map as the active click here. It would be better if you would assign the active click to the guitar as you were predominantly following it where possible so far.
To have no problem with polarity when removing the active click on the bass it's best if you just merge the guitar sound into the previous slider and make it a 3/2 repeatslider.

01:11:917 (2,4) - Extend both notes as sliders to the next red tick. It plays very odd if you skip on the guitar sound on that red tick first and then map it as an active click next time. Making both sliders gives consistency to the pattern. You can then change the other repeatsliders as shown here:

This may very well look to hard for a Normal-diff but it's imo the best way to cover the entirety of guitarsounds here. The easier possibility to keep this consistent is using 3/2 repeatsliders once again:

You don't have all guitarsounds anymore but it is really comfortable to play and probably the most appropriate solution for this spot.

01:16:689 (1) - Sliderend has no corresponding sound in the song? The white tick on the other hand really asks for coverage with the huge drumhit. A 3/2 repeatslider would do well here.

01:22:655 (2,3) - Ctrl+G the rhythm so you have an active click on the guitar

01:31:178 (2,3,4) - It doesn't make much sense to follow the guitar with the two 1/2 sliders when you skip the guitar sound on 01:31:349 -
Same problem as earlier, you split up the pattern instead of grouping sounds in a way that doesn't even allow the player to be actively sad about an unmapped one. I'd suggest this pattern:

Also more convenient to play I'd say.

01:34:417 (3,4,5) - I think mapping both drums and guitar doesn't work out well here as a Normal diff doesn't give you the needed tools to properly cover both. Personally I would map this spot similar to the one above with 01:35:099 - as an active hit.

01:39:360 (2) - Make this a repeat to fully cover drums?

01:57:769 (1,2) - Extend both to the white tick to better match the strings

02:01:008 (4) - move to white tick to match strings

02:07:314 (3,4) - I'd replace this with this:

That way you get a 1-time-repitition of that pattern and the first repitition of a pattern plays always nice.

02:08:678 (1) - I'd let this end on 02:11:405 - instead as two full measures are more natural than 2.5 when the music is fading out and there's no clear endpoint. Generally speaking, always end on a downbeat (big white tick) when there's no clear end to the song.

I would highly recommend you modding more maps yourself. You will look at other people's maps different than you will at your own and collect experience that will benefit you a lot when making rhythmically satisfying patterns with high playability. Especially for lower difficulties the structure of your patterns is crucial as the player won't be handle complicated stuff unlike on higher difficulties!

Arf's Hard
Neat diff, you made good progress from Coffee House onwards.

00:08:678 (1,2) - This looks really ambigous to play. This pattern basically replaces 00:05:951 (1) - .
But at the same time 00:05:951 (1,2) - and 00:08:678 (1,2) - look extremely similar which would make me intuitively be late on 00:09:019 (2) - because I would expect the pattern to repeat. The drums are definitely there to support the 1/4 repeatslider but I think having it match the previous pattern plays better in the end as the 1/4 don't have any specific value for the map.

00:22:996 (2,3) - Ctrl+G so you have an active click on the strong guitar sound. You also mapped it on the repitition 00:25:894 (4) - so I think you should pick it up there too (don't forget to readjust hitsounds cause ctrl+g is lame).

01:47:883 (4) - Consider splitting this into two singles, I get you're doing drums here but the guitar on the red tick stands out so much that I wouldnt completely ignore it. Up to you though.

02:08:678 (5) - Would be dank if you managed it to have that end up perfectly in the middle so it blankets the spinner.

There was some other highly subjective stuff too I could've mentioned but I just skipped that cause you didn't really like my approach last time and it probably wouldn't be worth the effort of respacing tbh.

Insane

I think this diff is already in a decent state. It plays smoothly but imo it lacks a bit of character.
Quoting a friend who testplayed it for me:

i think it's good but
i don't think i'd play it over and over
try an SS once and move on

which sums up what I think pretty well (he plays this game like "SS or quit")
I'll try to give you suggestions to spice it up a bit.
In some spots it already goes into the correct direction but I think the ups and downs are not clear enough to make the diff amazing.
This is mainly due to you being not perfectly consistent with your spacing choices per part and maybe also a bit due to a lack of courage to go to the extremes.

00:08:678 - 00:11:405 - Let's talk about this breaking point. Starting at the first timestamp you get drums involved and get some sort of build up that ends at the second timestamp. From there on you basically get a repitition of the pattern you already had before:
00:05:951 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) -
but!
the instrumentalisation got bigger. There's a very audible difference between that spot and this spot:
00:11:405 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -
the spacing is exactly the same though, most notably because you apparently copied 00:07:314 (1,2,3) - and reused it after rotating it with an angle at 00:11:405 (1,2,3) - (which is fine on its own)
It would feel good if the increase in volume/intensity would be reflected by a difference in DS/SV here. Imo lowering it for the first part isn't good as it feels really underwhelming to play like that, therefore placing a green section with SV 1.1 or 1.2 on 00:11:405 - would probably the most sensible option to achieve this difference. Yes, I know this sucks from a mapper perspective because you have to respace 30s of playtime but I think it would be worth it.

00:30:155 (4,5,6) - Since you're following the guitar with relatively big consistency otherwise you probably want to replace this with a circle and a 1/1 slider to give that guitar sound an active click and stuff.

00:34:417 (4,5) - Ctrl+g also to follow the guitar more closely (don't forget to adjust hitsounds as ctrl+g messes them up)

00:35:951 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - It's a bit weird how this pattern is kinda drumfocused when you were mapping guitar before. I also think 00:37:144 - should be covered by an active no matter what as it has pretty much everything on it.
Personally I would stick for that entire thing to mapping guitar.
Reason is the following:
There is an overlying structure in the song. The single parts of the song start respectively at
00:00:496 - Theme A (very weak)
00:05:951 - Theme A (weak)
00:11:405 - Theme A (strong)
00:16:860 - Theme A (strong)
00:22:314 - Theme B
00:27:769 - Theme B variation
00:33:224 - Theme B variation 2
00:38:678 - Theme B variation 3
etc.
Now it's painfully obvious that each part is about ~~5.45 seconds~~ 4 measures long. Each of these parts build a unit that is coherent in itself and therefore your style within these parts should be coherent (aka not suddenly switching the focus). If you want to have variation within your focus it makes most sense to plan this ahead of time and saying like
"ok, for the first two times of B i will focus guitars and then for the other two times i will focus on drums instead" ( you could also say guitar-drum-guitar-drum but it's a bit easier to graps for the player if it repeats right away)
That way you make a clear cut at a spot where it is the easiest for the player to reorientate patternwise because even if he is not acquainted with music theory he WILL expect new patterns at exactly these spots (because that's how rhythm works i suppose).
So I'd say, review how you're treating the instruments here and get a clear cut or map guitar all the way through or whatever.
Note: If you want to map drums over guitars in one of these part B things you should be wary of explicitly shifting the focus away from the guitar. Like when a strong guitarsound and a strong drum sound meet on one tick, make it a single not a slider because drum is punctual and guitar is dragged. I would just stick to guitar personally because the drumline is slightly to sparse to focus on for my taste.

00:43:536 (6) - this note does not quite exist in the song

00:43:962 (9) - remove this to give more force to the previous note; if you removed 6 you can arrange a (difficult) jumppattern with the remaining notes as there's sufficient recoverytime after it and it'd be only 3 notes. It would also be cool if it ended almost on top of 00:44:133 (1) - so that the player doesn't have to move the cursor much. That way the start of the next part along with the SV change feels more natural.

at this point i realise that I have to be careful so this doesn't become "Great Wall of China 2.0" ... fml

00:44:133 - Talking about relations through the whole song again here...
So this is the slow part and you got that. I think you should make it even more "slow". Cut sounds that are not really important to further decelerate the player in order to achieve a greater contrast to the part where stuff actually happens.
Spots where you can do this:
00:44:814 (2) - cut the sliderend
00:46:178 (7) - cut the sliderend
00:47:542 (2) - cut the sliderend
00:48:735 (4) - remove
00:48:905 (5) - cut the sliderend
00:49:587 (1) - make this a 2/1 without repeat
00:50:951 (4) - extend to whitetick (makes it the same as 00:52:314 (8) -
00:51:974 (6,7) - lower spacing
00:53:167 (9) - remove

this reduces the density and you get a lot of 1/1 spacings that make the player feel the difference between the parts much more significantly than the SV-change alone can. If you compare this part with the one at 00:05:951 - I would claim that the current one feels a lot slower. Reducing density like I proposed brings you closer to reflect this.

density is not enough though. Also reduce the spacing on top of it. Use stacks on some of the 1/1 you created, for example on these:
00:46:178 (7,8) -
The idea is basically the following: The guitar sound gives the moving impulse and on 7 the drum stops the player as the initial impulse is basically dead even though the guitar rings forth. 8 gives the new impulse to move with the new sound after stopping. Using stacks that way the music can be experienced way stronger than it is possible when using regular spacing

00:54:530 (4,5) - if you do the stuff above you should probably merge these into a kickslider to ease the transition as the player is still in slowmode here. A kickslider is not only easier to play tappingwise but also gives you a great opportunity to accelerate the player towards the next section. Put the SV that is on 00:55:042 - right now before the kickslider in that case so it profits from the speed.

00:55:042 (1,2) - Extend the slider to the white tick so that trumpet thing or whatever it is gets more spotlight?

00:55:042 - I would also use a higher DS for this section (let's say around 2.7 if the next note is a 1/1 trumpetslider). As you're using a lot of 1/1 sliders the SR probably won't even go up by 0.01 if you increase it here and it gives each trumpetsound more value.

In the same context I'd change 00:57:769 (1,2) - to a 1/1 slider + single

01:00:496 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Increase the spacing especially for the 1/2 sliders as theyre really boring to play which doesn't quite fit to the song here.

01:05:780 - Also SV1.1/1.2 for this section as it's the Kiai.

Make sure 01:11:064 (8,9,1,2,3,4) - has slightly lower spacing than 01:11:917 (4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - so the player can see a progression as the tension builds up more and more.

01:30:496 - The instrumentalisation is low in this part even though the guitar is doing cool stuff. Therefore I'd recommend rather mapping high density at low spacing. That way you still have a way to increase the sensation from playing when the instrumentalisation comes in big again. As it is now this is high spacing+density so you don't have good options to make a change in pace/instrumentalisation as it happens at 01:35:951 - experienceable for the player.

tl;dr
Significantly lower the spacing at the start of this section and gradually increase it as stuff gets more exciting.

02:07:996 (9,1) - This is kind of mean imo as it's a 1/4 jump. I'd make the slider repeat 3 times instead of 2 times here to make it easier to play

02:08:763 (1) - see normal

what have i done...why is it so late?

Last edited by Endaris 2016-06-12T10:44:21+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Shinenite

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Shinenite 2016-06-11T11:33:16+00:00

Endaris' Mod

Endaris wrote:
Hello there.

General
Please review the timing!
In the following sections there are a few snaps that are early:
01:25:042 - to 01:30:155 -
01:52:314 - to 01:57:428 -

I can tell for sure that 01:25:724 - and 01:54:019 - are early relative to the music. The shift induced by these sections cause the later offset to be slightly off:
You can tell in the part following the green section at 01:57:769 - that the whistle-like sound is always slightly late relative to the metronome. On the bigger hits it is not quite as obvious as they have more blurr but I can hear 02:04:246 - being slightly early compared to the drum so you definitely want to review the timing to check if there are more inconsistencies and offsetshifts for some parts. The sections I mentioned seem to be the biggest issue though. In my opinion the delay is very very little and it isn't really worth messing with, so I'd rather leave the timing as is. If it's really an issue later on Ill take a look at it.

Normal

This diff may be problematic in terms of spread as it uses 1/2 on a very frequent basis. As you use DS1.0 this can be easily adjust if a BN requests you to ease the diff a bit so I won't really pay attention to it.
If you don't know what polarity is give this a view: t/55282
Charles talks about blue ticks and changing in that video but for Easy and Normal diffs it's also important that the polarity isn't switching all the time between red and white as that is very difficult to tap for a beginner. Switching polarity is fine in general but doing it after every note is a hassle from a playerperspective. The tapping motion on the easiest diff should be somewhat consistent to guarantee a high playability.
Pretty much every of my suggestion on this matter is supposed to keep the core of what you wanted to convey while trying to reduce the tappingdifficulty to a minimum.

00:40:042 (1,2,3,4) - This pattern is very uncomfortable to play as you're changing length and polarity with every single slider. I'd recommend you to simplify this pattern and came up with this as a possible solution:

That's way easier to play as the player sticks to red polarity here. He has to switch to white for the next pattern and it misses out on 00:43:792 - but that's not a grave issue as its a separate combo and I think the continous singletaps do a good job of representing the melody going upwards with the guitar. I wasn't really a fan of the singletaps so I did a bit of a different pattern there, but I did make the 1,2 sliders as you have suggested in the image.
01:11:917 (2,4) - Extend both notes as sliders to the next red tick. It plays very odd if you skip on the guitar sound on that red tick first and then map it as an active click next time. Making both sliders gives consistency to the pattern. You can then change the other repeatsliders as shown here:

This may very well look to hard for a Normal-diff but it's imo the best way to cover the entirety of guitarsounds here. The easier possibility to keep this consistent is using 3/2 repeatsliders once again:

You don't have all guitarsounds anymore but it is really comfortable to play and probably the most appropriate solution for this spot. Went with the second option since the first one really did seem a bit complicated for a Normal.
01:57:769 (1,2) - Extend both to the white tick to better match the strings I'm not a very big fan of this suggestion and the one below, I think the pattern works fine as is and it sounds a bit better than what you suggested.
02:01:008 (4) - move to white tick to match strings ^ as I said
I would highly recommend you modding more maps yourself. You will look at other people's maps different than you will at your own and collect experience that will benefit you a lot when making rhythmically satisfying patterns with high playability. Especially for lower difficulties the structure of your patterns is crucial as the player won't be handle complicated stuff unlike on higher difficulties! I will not deny that I am not experienced at all in lower diff mapping, and honestly this song in general in my opinion is quite tricky to make a lower diff for with how not-much experience I have. The suggestions you gave me that I didn't mention I really liked, since the rhythm is way more cleaner now, so really, thanks for taking the time and explaining everything in such detail, I really appreciate it!

Insane
Coming tomorrow Looking forward to it.

Endaris

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Endaris 2016-06-12T00:53:46+00:00

What about this one in Normal?

01:04:758 (1) - I'd make this 1/2 shorter as there's nothing really audible on the white tick it ends on right now.

No comment but no fix either.

Insanemod is now available~
I think it would be cool if we would discuss that after you got a first impression of what I'm suggesting as it's kind of a lot and means lots of work and it would be really sad if it wouldnt be 100% clear for you after I spend so much time on it

Shinenite

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Topic Starter

Shinenite 2016-06-12T08:50:49+00:00

Endaris wrote:
What about this one in Normal?
01:04:758 (1) - I'd make this 1/2 shorter as there's nothing really audible on the white tick it ends on right now.
No comment but no fix either.

Insanemod is now available~
I think it would be cool if we would discuss that after you got a first impression of what I'm suggesting as it's kind of a lot and means lots of work and it would be really sad if it wouldnt be 100% clear for you after I spend so much time on it

Oh, I swear that I had changed that part in Normal! Must have changed it and undo'd that place at some point. I'll fix it now. I'll take a look at the Insane mod now, we could definitely discuss it since I did take a quick look before now and it does seem pretty big haha

edit: replies in the box below (not including stuff i just applied and didn't comment on)

Insane mod reply

Endaris wrote:
Insane

I think this diff is already in a decent state. It plays smoothly but imo it lacks a bit of character.
Quoting a friend who testplayed it for me:
i think it's good but
i don't think i'd play it over and over
try an SS once and move on
which sums up what I think pretty well (he plays this game like "SS or quit")
I'll try to give you suggestions to spice it up a bit.
In some spots it already goes into the correct direction but I think the ups and downs are not clear enough to make the diff amazing.
This is mainly due to you being not perfectly consistent with your spacing choices per part and maybe also a bit due to a lack of courage to go to the extremes.

spacing progression through parts
00:51:974 (6,7) -
00:30:155 (4) -

00:08:678 - 00:11:405 - Let's talk about this breaking point. Starting at the first timestamp you get drums involved and get some sort of build up that ends at the second timestamp. From there on you basically get a repitition of the pattern you already had before:
00:05:951 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) -
but!
the instrumentalisation got bigger. There's a very audible difference between that spot and this spot:
00:11:405 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -
the spacing is exactly the same though, most notably because you apparently copied 00:07:314 (1,2,3) - and reused it after rotating it with an angle at 00:11:405 (1,2,3) - (which is fine on its own)
It would feel good if the increase in volume/intensity would be reflected by a difference in DS/SV here. Imo lowering it for the first part isn't good as it feels really underwhelming to play like that, therefore placing a green section with SV 1.1 or 1.2 on 00:11:405 - would probably the most sensible option to achieve this difference. Yes, I know this sucks from a mapper perspective because you have to respace 30s of playtime but I think it would be worth it. Yeah now that you mention it, this would be nice to do. 1.2x seemed a bit fast for me but I did put a 1.1x timing point in the part where you specified.
00:34:417 (4,5) - Ctrl+g also to follow the guitar more closely (don't forget to adjust hitsounds as ctrl+g messes them up) I think the pattern follows the guitar quite closely as is, ctrl+g makes it a bit nicer but with the way I structured the pattern itself it's a bit too much of a pain if I ctrl+g those two, if it weren't for that I probably would have taken this suggestion.
00:35:951 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - It's a bit weird how this pattern is kinda drumfocused when you were mapping guitar before. I also think 00:37:144 - should be covered by an active no matter what as it has pretty much everything on it.
Personally I would stick for that entire thing to mapping guitar.
Reason is the following:
There is an overlying structure in the song. The single parts of the song start respectively at
00:00:496 - Theme A (very weak)
00:05:951 - Theme A (weak)
00:11:405 - Theme A (strong)
00:16:860 - Theme A (strong)
00:22:314 - Theme B
00:27:769 - Theme B variation
00:33:224 - Theme B variation 2
00:38:678 - Theme B variation 3
etc.
Now it's painfully obvious that each part is about ~~5.45 seconds~~ 4 measures long. Each of these parts build a unit that is coherent in itself and therefore your style within these parts should be coherent (aka not suddenly switching the focus). If you want to have variation within your focus it makes most sense to plan this ahead of time and saying like
"ok, for the first two times of B i will focus guitars and then for the other two times i will focus on drums instead" ( you could also say guitar-drum-guitar-drum but it's a bit easier to graps for the player if it repeats right away)
That way you make a clear cut at a spot where it is the easiest for the player to reorientate patternwise because even if he is not acquainted with music theory he WILL expect new patterns at exactly these spots (because that's how rhythm works i suppose).
So I'd say, review how you're treating the instruments here and get a clear cut or map guitar all the way through or whatever.
Note: If you want to map drums over guitars in one of these part B things you should be wary of explicitly shifting the focus away from the guitar. Like when a strong guitarsound and a strong drum sound meet on one tick, make it a single not a slider because drum is punctual and guitar is dragged. I would just stick to guitar personally because the drumline is slightly to sparse to focus on for my taste. Ok I've been looking over this part for.. a while now, and all your points are valid, but I think that last part still follows the guitar pretty well. To incorporate your suggestion about the active click at 00:37:144 (7) - I did change the slider to two single notes, but that's all I could think of, I can't really think of any patterns that follow the guitar more than drums because for me they're pretty "even" at that part.. If you have any ideas for it we could discuss it, but I really can't come up with much.
00:43:536 (6) - this note does not quite exist in the song I disagree, similar to 00:43:195 (3) - there is a little bit of a sound there, so I think it's fair to map it... however following your next suggestion...
00:43:962 (9) - remove this to give more force to the previous note; if you removed 6 you can arrange a (difficult) jumppattern with the remaining notes as there's sufficient recoverytime after it and it'd be only 3 notes. It would also be cool if it ended almost on top of 00:44:133 (1) - so that the player doesn't have to move the cursor much. That way the start of the next part along with the SV change feels more natural. ...while at first I really found that previous point a bit silly, when I read this I could see what you're going for and I quite like it, so I did end up changing this and the previous point.
at this point i realise that I have to be careful so this doesn't become "Great Wall of China 2.0" ... fml
00:44:133 - Talking about relations through the whole song again here...
So this is the slow part and you got that. I think you should make it even more "slow". Cut sounds that are not really important to further decelerate the player in order to achieve a greater contrast to the part where stuff actually happens.
Spots where you can do this:
00:44:814 (2) - cut the sliderend
00:46:178 (7) - cut the sliderend
00:47:542 (2) - cut the sliderend
00:48:735 (4) - remove
00:48:905 (5) - cut the sliderend
00:49:587 (1) - make this a 2/1 without repeat
00:50:951 (4) - extend to whitetick (makes it the same as 00:52:314 (8) -
00:53:167 (9) - remove

this reduces the density and you get a lot of 1/1 spacings that make the player feel the difference between the parts much more significantly than the SV-change alone can. If you compare this part with the one at 00:05:951 - I would claim that the current one feels a lot slower. Reducing density like I proposed brings you closer to reflect this.

density is not enough though. Also reduce the spacing on top of it. Use stacks on some of the 1/1 you created, for example on these:
00:46:178 (7,8) -
The idea is basically the following: The guitar sound gives the moving impulse and on 7 the drum stops the player as the initial impulse is basically dead even though the guitar rings forth. 8 gives the new impulse to move with the new sound after stopping. Using stacks that way the music can be experienced way stronger than it is possible when using regular spacing Did change the parts you told me to cut sliderends at/remove notes etc. but I didn't change the spacing too much - I think it works fine. Could be discussed more, though.
00:55:042 - I would also use a higher DS for this section (let's say around 2.7 if the next note is a 1/1 trumpetslider). As you're using a lot of 1/1 sliders the SR probably won't even go up by 0.01 if you increase it here and it gives each trumpetsound more value. 2.7 seemed a bit too crazy for me but I did increase the spacing in some parts in this section.
01:00:496 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Increase the spacing especially for the 1/2 sliders as theyre really boring to play which doesn't quite fit to the song here. But.. but my blankets.. just kidding changed it haha, the spacing was a little low...
Make sure 01:11:064 (8,9,1,2,3,4) - has slightly lower spacing than 01:11:917 (4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - so the player can see a progression as the tension builds up more and more. Lowered it, but it might not be enough? Either way it is lower than the second set of jumps although not by much.
01:30:496 - The instrumentalisation is low in this part even though the guitar is doing cool stuff. Therefore I'd recommend rather mapping high density at low spacing. That way you still have a way to increase the sensation from playing when the instrumentalisation comes in big again. As it is now this is high spacing+density so you don't have good options to make a change in pace/instrumentalisation as it happens at 01:35:951 - experienceable for the player.

tl;dr
Significantly lower the spacing at the start of this section and gradually increase it as stuff gets more exciting. I think this is another point where we could discuss it a bit, I did lower the spacing a little bit, but I don't really know if it's "significant" and maybe you can point out suggestions in a bit more detail.
what have i done...why is it so late? I once again appreciate the detail you go into with modding and everything, it's really helpful, and it's exactly what I think the map needs at the moment so, really, thanks for the effort. As you mentioned and as I pointed out in some of the points I half-rejected/didn't fully implement we could still discuss ingame or something so whenever you see me online PM me or something we'll see, but most of the stuff I think I understood correctly and implemented correctly as well. Hopefully.

-Kanzaki

889 posts

Joined June 2012

-Kanzaki 2016-06-17T18:37:22+00:00

Hello from my queue

Insane :

--> 00:04:587 (1,2,3) - So you made these 3 objects almost stacked and being in the same spot almost which i didn't like it because as you can hear these drum sound aren't actually the same. Try something like this that objects has different spacing between them to prevent the difference maybe this is not something important but i don't know it make sense if used different spacing between them, no telling you to put them same as in the picture but get the idea : http://puu.sh/pweib/be5849cf92.jpg

--> 00:06:974 (4) - 00:08:337 (3) - 00:12:428 (3) - I don't like this stop here since this is insane and there is actually to follow something, i would make a 1/2 slider here and follow distortion muted guitar.

--> 00:10:042 (1,2,3,4) - This is actually not properly working when considering flowing as you can see ball ends on : http://puu.sh/pweG8/b47589c931.jpg and 2 is on the other side so i suggest you put 2 end of the slider 1

--> 00:23:422 (5) - Put an circle here please and make it triplet, it does follows guitar like 00:25:042 (1,2,3) - these since you followed them on these parts why not on 00:23:422 -

--> 00:38:934 (2) - http://puu.sh/pwfrw/e7ef628ae7.jpg something like this maybe?

--> 00:58:280 (2) - Please use a slider on this which ends on 00:58:621 -

--> 01:52:314 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Gonna talk about all these same parts but the way you mapped them is not the best choice if you ask me not the most creative way. Since every object can be emphasized on this part you could make jumps on every 2. Here is an example how you could make this part more fun : http://puu.sh/pwfUt/0345ddc397.jpg Also use even more spacing on 01:53:848 (7,8) - since these are more emphasized with finishes.

--> 01:59:644 (4) - Maybe shorten the slider and map the strong finish sound with a circle since i wouldn't want to play strong beats as slider ends : http://puu.sh/pwg4v/8f5c1d82b5.jpg

--> 00:56:917 (6,7,1) - 00:58:280 (2,4) - Also watch your overlaps in general when you can avoid them easily just do avoid.

Well after all what i can tell about the map and the spread this difficulty is an light insane and the song it self does actually calls for something harder and fun. I don't know if you tried or not but you can also take a gd at any time. The diff it self has good flows and object placements, not an challenging diff, but not always best choices has been made when thought about rhythms.

That's all from me for now at least i might see it again when it is closer to being qualified maybe.

Shinenite

166 posts

Joined February 2015

Topic Starter

Shinenite 2016-06-23T09:21:41+00:00

Kanzaki

-Kanzaki wrote:
Hello from my queue

Insane :
--> 00:06:974 (4) - 00:08:337 (3) - 00:12:428 (3) - I don't like this stop here since this is insane and there is actually to follow something, i would make a 1/2 slider here and follow distortion muted guitar. This seems a bit unnecessary to me, I don't really hear anything to follow? I'd rather leave it as is.

--> 00:10:042 (1,2,3,4) - This is actually not properly working when considering flowing as you can see ball ends on : http://puu.sh/pweG8/b47589c931.jpg and 2 is on the other side so i suggest you put 2 end of the slider 1 Right, I can sort of see the problem you're pointing out, however while playing I'd assume most people just keep their cursor still on repeatsliders such as these which at least I think doesn't really create a flow issue. I considered Ctrl+G on slider 2 and 4 but honestly it doesn't really make much difference, and makes it look a bit stupid. I don't feel like changing the position of the sliders cause I think it's really not that big of a problem.

--> 00:23:422 (5) - Put an circle here please and make it triplet, it does follows guitar like 00:25:042 (1,2,3) - these since you followed them on these parts why not on 00:23:422 - First off, I don't hear a sound there to make it a triple. I think the guitar is a slightly bit different at 00:25:042 (1,2,3) - compared to 00:23:422 - and the bit at 00:23:422 - doesn't really require triples, while the bit at 00:25:042 (1,2,3) -does. They do sound quite similar, but I think it's fine to just leave that part as is.

--> 00:58:280 (2) - Please use a slider on this which ends on 00:58:621 - Once again, this seems a bit unnecessary, the pattern does it's job fine as is and I don't really like how it sounds with a slider like that.

--> 01:52:314 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Gonna talk about all these same parts but the way you mapped them is not the best choice if you ask me not the most creative way. Since every object can be emphasized on this part you could make jumps on every 2. Here is an example how you could make this part more fun : http://puu.sh/pwfUt/0345ddc397.jpg Also use even more spacing on 01:53:848 (7,8) - since these are more emphasized with finishes. Sure, those parts are probably a bit boring for how the song is, and your suggestion is quite valid, but I once again feel like it's good as is. I'll keep this suggestion in mind and maybe apply it later, I'm really kinda on the fence about it.

--> 00:56:917 (6,7,1) - 00:58:280 (2,4) - Also watch your overlaps in general when you can avoid them easily just do avoid. I don't think those are that big of a deal for the fact that it is an Insane diff.

Well after all what i can tell about the map and the spread this difficulty is an light insane and the song it self does actually calls for something harder and fun. I don't know if you tried or not but you can also take a gd at any time. The diff it self has good flows and object placements, not an challenging diff, but not always best choices has been made when thought about rhythms. I do agree, thatthe song could use a higher diff, however, I have no experience mapping extras and while I could get a GD that means getting more mods for it etc. which by now I really, really don't feel like putting in the effort to provide, and I'm happy with the mapset as is, so I doubt there will be any more diffs added.

That's all from me for now at least i might see it again when it is closer to being qualified maybe.

First off, I apologize for such a late reply, I was out of country without a computer for the past 6 days and just recently got back so I only now got the chance to reply. Thanks for the mod, though!

Ascendance

Elite Mapper

4,225 posts

Joined July 2013

Ascendance 2016-07-14T05:39:46+00:00

rip?

PlasmaBreaker

1 post

Joined July 2015

PlasmaBreaker 2016-08-11T22:14:32+00:00

Huge thanks to you, this is some very good quality mapping, greatly appreciate.

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,950 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-02-04T10:34:13+00:00

from q, interesting to see this revived

Metadata isn't correct, should be original Japanese title. Ask Kwan to check once a BN says they'll bubble, since I'm having trouble finding an official source.

Insane
There's a lot of spots that are missing potential finish hitsounds, should just go over them and add as needed. examples
00:55:042 (1) -
01:00:496 (1) - just this area in general
01:36:633 (3) - 01:37:996 (3) -
01:41:405 (1) - in general area (wtf it is a sin not to have one here)
01:46:860 (1) - ^

There are some general sounds that should be a clickable rhythm, rather than slider ends. Difficult to say 'fix in general' so I'll list the specific examples to make it easier.
00:21:292 (2) - Should start on the red tick, if you make the previous slider a reverse, you could change this to a 3/4 slider and do a couple spacing changes.
00:36:974 (6) - Kind of an awkward pause, same thing about making the slider end clickable. Try changing the note placement and rhythm to something like this and see how that works. (Spacing is random for stuff, just a general idea)

image

00:42:428 (6) - This needs to be changed, the slider has to start on the red tick to emphasise the finish. Use a 3/4 slider or a 1/1 to cover this rhythm.
01:50:780 (5) - Same thing

00:32:883 (4,5,6,7,1) - This stream flows much better if 4 was stacked on 00:31:689 (1) - . Doesn't need too much readjustment because you can make it semi-blanket 00:33:564 (2) - instead.
00:25:042 (1) - Just as a general thing, but it would be a good idea to replace some of the triples with reverse sliders. Just makes it a bit more playable as an insane diff
00:39:189 (4) - Seems kind of out of the way for flow, could move in a bit
00:45:496 (5) - Odd slider flow, try rotating it by -50 to -60 degrees
00:47:883 (3) - There's a mappable sound here, a reverse slider can cover this and keep rhythm
00:53:678 (1,2,3,4) - Odd in general to read this change, since DS gets large with smaller rhythm, that said 1,2,3 aren't equal spaced at least
00:54:530 (4,5) - Should move closer to make it more readable as a triple just to try something
00:58:280 (2,3) - Can't be read as anything except a 1/1 rhythm. There's a sound on the red tick that isn't mapped, if you change 2 to a slider, it can end there and make a readable rhythm
00:59:473 (6) - What's up with decreasing rhythm density in this area? These could all potentially be mapped as sliders with rhythm to support it. It's doesn't really make sense to lower density on a buildup like this.
01:02:883 (9) - Should be a slider, has better buildup to 01:03:224 (1) -
01:03:224 (1,2) - Imo really lame that these aren't larger jumps, this is by far the most important part of the song, and yet its spacing is really small. It would fit the song much better if the circles were instead paired so 01:02:883 (9,1) - , 01:03:395 (2,3) - and 01:03:906 (4,5) - were close to each other. Applies to next set too
01:13:110 (3) - Move this up a bit, too close compared to other spacings
01:16:689 (1) - Doesn't make too much sense not to map the red tick here
01:30:496 (1) - Need to lower the SV here, bring it back a bit at 01:35:951 (1) - .
01:39:871 (5) - You could use a really low SV here. This would really emphasise the next part because of the change, imo 0.5x would be readable
01:51:121 (1,2) - Odd flow here, rotate the stream by 20 degrees should fix it. That or rotate 01:50:780 (5) - -20 degrees (ish) and move 01:51:121 (1) - up a bit. Either works
02:08:677 (3) - Increase spacing a bit

Hard
Your rhythm density is much higher than the insane diff, it only has a lower object count because you didn't map the opening. That plus the note density dropped to almost nothing after 00:44:814 (1) - , of which is significantly lower than the normal diff. This needs to be changed around so that the hard is a proper median between the other two diffs.
Should also change the hitsounds to match Shinenite's diff, it's pretty bad right now to be honest. Use a hitsound copy program or something for a quick and easy switch.
Spinners are also overused in general
Might just want to revisit stuff since you're probably a better mapper now

Normal

iirc I'm hearing finishes used way more than on the insane, just tone it down so they have equal usage to the insane
00:31:178 (4,5) - Really shouldn't have consecutive 1/2 clickable patterns on a normal if you don't want an easy diff. Others are fine because they are slider ends, but this pattern requires double tapping. Just simplify it
01:42:087 (3) - These sliders have to have their heads be on the finished, it's far more important than the downbeats.
Not modding much here because I only point out unrankable stuff on normal diffs, not my thing to mod them

Arf

901 posts

Joined December 2013

Arf 2017-02-04T11:51:24+00:00

From Endaris' mod which I'm super late for

This is actually older than Coffee House by nearly 6 months, so I guess I reverse improved for that mapset hhh
1. I changed this to a triple at first but then realized it was even more inconsistent since I have no other triples. You're right about what you said but I also think it won't pose as big of an issue to players since the drum sound is there after all

2. Yes changed

3. I think breaking the slider leniency would be bad plus I hear the drums more loudly imo

4. Got it as close as I could

Sinnoh wrote:
from q, interesting to see this revived

Hard
Your rhythm density is much higher than the insane diff, it only has a lower object count because you didn't map the opening. That plus the note density dropped to almost nothing after 00:44:814 (1) - , of which is significantly lower than the normal diff. This needs to be changed around so that the hard is a proper median between the other two diffs. Having gone through the Normal/Insane I could only find one spot that was really noticeably less dense, the part timestamped up there. This has been buffed a bit but the Insane, while it may appear less dense due to lacking 1/2 connections between patterns, has streams and triples and jumps which push it above the Hard in terms of actual difficulty so this shouldn't pose a problem
Should also change the hitsounds to match Shinenite's diff, it's pretty bad right now to be honest. Use a hitsound copy program or something for a quick and easy switch. Been meaning to do this for months
Spinners are also overused in general I like spinners and I'm pretty sure they fit
Might just want to revisit stuff since you're probably a better mapper now not really

The second coming riseth

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Shinenite

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Joined February 2015

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Shinenite 2017-02-04T12:58:36+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:
from q, interesting to see this revived I thought very long about reviving it but I figured I may as well try (again), we'll see if it does anywhere. I hope I can finally get it to rank.

Metadata isn't correct, should be original Japanese title. Ask Kwan to check once a BN says they'll bubble, since I'm having trouble finding an official source. I've had a discussion about metadata with Kwan before, and I was told that I could either go all-English or Japanese-romanised, and I went with all-English. I have the Japanese title in the tags, so it should still show up regardless.

Insane
There's a lot of spots that are missing potential finish hitsounds, should just go over them and add as needed. examples
00:55:042 (1) -
01:00:496 (1) - just this area in general I agree with this, however I mapped more to the guiltar there and due to the slider at 01:02:371 (8) - I feel like it'd be very inconsistent if I added finishes because one of them is in the middle of a slider, so I just left it as is. I added some finishes but some are still left as is.
01:36:633 (3) - 01:37:996 (3) -
01:41:405 (1) - in general area (wtf it is a sin not to have one here)
01:46:860 (1) - ^ Applied every other example you mentioned. Now that you pointed them out I have no idea why I hadn't had them as finishes before, oops.

There are some general sounds that should be a clickable rhythm, rather than slider ends. Difficult to say 'fix in general' so I'll list the specific examples to make it easier.
00:21:292 (2) - Should start on the red tick, if you make the previous slider a reverse, you could change this to a 3/4 slider and do a couple spacing changes. Went with a reverse slider plus a 1/1 slider, does sound way better now.
00:36:974 (6) - Kind of an awkward pause, same thing about making the slider end clickable. Try changing the note placement and rhythm to something like this and see how that works. (Spacing is random for stuff, just a general idea) Also changed, I did quite like the spacing in the image so it's somewhat similar to that.
image
00:42:428 (6) - This needs to be changed, the slider has to start on the red tick to emphasise the finish. Use a 3/4 slider or a 1/1 to cover this rhythm. Changed the slider to just two circles, I think that works quite well too.
01:50:780 (5) - Same thing Is circle + slider after it now.

00:32:883 (4,5,6,7,1) - This stream flows much better if 4 was stacked on 00:31:689 (1) - . Doesn't need too much readjustment because you can make it semi-blanket 00:33:564 (2) - instead. I hope I understood the wording of this properly, but I made it so the stream starts where 00:31:689 (1) - ends and made the semi-blanket with the 00:33:564 (2) - .
00:25:042 (1) - Just as a general thing, but it would be a good idea to replace some of the triples with reverse sliders. Just makes it a bit more playable as an insane diff Hmm, I don't really think it's necessary, I'd rather leave it as is.
00:39:189 (4) - Seems kind of out of the way for flow, could move in a bit Tweaked the positioning a bit.
00:45:496 (5) - Odd slider flow, try rotating it by -50 to -60 degrees Fixed.
00:47:883 (3) - There's a mappable sound here, a reverse slider can cover this and keep rhythm Sure, changed the note after to a repeat slider too since it felt a bit empty after I mapped the sound.
00:53:678 (1,2,3,4) - Odd in general to read this change, since DS gets large with smaller rhythm, that said 1,2,3 aren't equal spaced at least Changed the spacing of the 1,2,3 a bit and stacked the 3 with the 4, I think that works a bit better?
00:54:530 (4,5) - Should move closer to make it more readable as a triple just to try something I think the spacing here works fine, cause as you slide your cursor over the slider you just hit the note as well.
00:58:280 (2,3) - Can't be read as anything except a 1/1 rhythm. There's a sound on the red tick that isn't mapped, if you change 2 to a slider, it can end there and make a readable rhythm Good catch, made a 1/1 slider there instead, works a bit better now imo.
00:59:473 (6) - What's up with decreasing rhythm density in this area? These could all potentially be mapped as sliders with rhythm to support it. It's doesn't really make sense to lower density on a buildup like this. Another good point. I think for now I'll just keep this in mind for something to change if I really feel the need, but for now it works, so I'll leave it.
01:02:883 (9) - Should be a slider, has better buildup to 01:03:224 (1) - Sure.
01:03:224 (1,2) - Imo really lame that these aren't larger jumps, this is by far the most important part of the song, and yet its spacing is really small. It would fit the song much better if the circles were instead paired so 01:02:883 (9,1) - , 01:03:395 (2,3) - and 01:03:906 (4,5) - were close to each other. Applies to next set too After a bit of consideration, I went and redid all of the sections similar to the one mentioned.
01:13:110 (3) - Move this up a bit, too close compared to other spacings Fixed.
01:16:689 (1) - Doesn't make too much sense not to map the red tick here Not sure I understand this, it is mapped...?
01:30:496 (1) - Need to lower the SV here, bring it back a bit at 01:35:951 (1) - . Dunno, I think the SV works fine.
01:39:871 (5) - You could use a really low SV here. This would really emphasise the next part because of the change, imo 0.5x would be readable Ooh, I really like that idea, I changed it to 0.6x cause 0.5x felt a tad too slow for my liking, though.
01:51:121 (1,2) - Odd flow here, rotate the stream by 20 degrees should fix it. That or rotate 01:50:780 (5) - -20 degrees (ish) and move 01:51:121 (1) - up a bit. Either works Since I changed the rhythm according to the point above earlier, I'm not sure if this suggestion applies anymore, though I did rotate and move the pattern a tad.
02:08:677 (3) - Increase spacing a bit Done.
Normal
iirc I'm hearing finishes used way more than on the insane, just tone it down so they have equal usage to the insane Will look over that, though I think after applying the suggestions you made finish-wise on the Insane the difficulties are probably equal now.
00:31:178 (4,5) - Really shouldn't have consecutive 1/2 clickable patterns on a normal if you don't want an easy diff. Others are fine because they are slider ends, but this pattern requires double tapping. Just simplify it Simplified.
01:42:087 (3) - These sliders have to have their heads be on the finished, it's far more important than the downbeats. Fixed.
Not modding much here because I only point out unrankable stuff on normal diffs, not my thing to mod them

Jesus Christ, spent 2 hours applying this all, I did not miss this in the slightest.
Thank you for the mod!

Jennifer

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Jennifer 2017-02-18T04:37:46+00:00

i love xenoblade aaa
if you still want a bad mod ill be happy to give one

Shinenite

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Shinenite 2017-02-18T08:43:30+00:00

[Jenn] wrote:
i love xenoblade aaa
if you still want a bad mod ill be happy to give one

Me too.
I'll take any help I can get, so sure

Jennifer

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Jennifer 2017-02-18T14:26:35+00:00

Normal

01:46:860 (1,2) - curve more so they look more fit into each other

Arf's Hard

00:21:547 (1) - spinner doesn't seem fit
01:29:900 (1) - make a little longer, a little too short

Insane

00:16:008 (4) - visually i don't think s slider look good in this spot
00:37:144 (6) - make starting point a little lower so its straight diagonal to end picture (sorry for bad explaining)
01:03:224 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - i would nc as 1,2 1,2 1,2
01:25:042 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - ^ (personal) makes it easier to read
There are some after im not going to paste since i think you get my point haha
02:05:099 (2) - slider looks odd compared to the not-so-straight slider before and after

Shinenite

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Shinenite 2017-02-18T20:36:27+00:00

[Jenn] wrote:
Normal
01:46:860 (1,2) - curve more so they look more fit into each other Not quite sure what you mean, I could curve them more, however they're blanketed with 01:46:349 (5) - and 01:48:905 (3) - respectively so curving them more would ruin that.

Insane
00:16:008 (4) - visually i don't think s slider look good in this spot I can see what you mean by that it might not be as consistent visually, however I feel like that sound is a bit different from the previous ones in the tone so I think a different shape for the slider is kind of fitting.
00:37:144 (6) - make starting point a little lower so its straight diagonal to end picture (sorry for bad explaining) Ohh, I get it, yeah, it does look a bit nicer like that. Fixed.
01:03:224 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - i would nc as 1,2 1,2 1,2 This might sound like a stupid reason to deny a suggestion, but honestly, I think it's kind of stupid to have 1,2 jumps in maps so I'd rather not have them in my map LOL It's like, totally a personal opinion, but idk.. Don't really think it's necessary.
01:25:042 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - ^ (personal) makes it easier to read Hmm, although I suppose the spacing differences could be a bit hard to read, I think it fits with the intensity of the song at those moments, so I'm not really sure what would make it easier to read AND still keep the intensity intact - I'd say the way it is right now works just fine.
There are some after im not going to paste since i think you get my point haha
02:05:099 (2) - slider looks odd compared to the not-so-straight slider before and after Once again, I can see the consistency issue you're pointing out here, made those sliders more curvy to match the previous parts.

Though not much, it was nice to tweak some of those visual bits! Thanks for the mod.

brdzxh

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brdzxh 2017-02-28T19:10:36+00:00

hi from my queue

offset-wise try to put it as early as possible

this would fit way better imo (not that it really matters, but it just looks nicer) and the second timing point is just to reset the metronome since i think the first triple sound should be mapped and then followed with a spinner

so on to the difficulties

Normal

00:07:314 (3,4) - would try to make some sort of blanket here
00:12:769 (3) - maybe nc because theres a big difference in sound
00:17:371 (2,3) - blanket
00:24:360 (5) - ctrl+h and then make a blanket with 00:25:383 (1) -
00:31:689 - should be clickable
02:08:677 - circle here and spinner after
I am not sure if all of the "special" slider shapes are necessary, as they seem to cause extra blanket work. Single curves are fine

Arf's Hard

Beginning should be mapped
00:06:292 - strong sound here; shouldnt be on a sliderend
00:18:224 (4,6) - unstack, because different sounds
00:28:621 (4) - wouldnt stack this as its clearly different in sound; or possibly make it a slider
00:37:144 (5,6,7) - consistent spacing
00:45:496 (3,5) - these doesnt look very good. Please change the shape and then maybe blanket with 00:45:155 (2,4) -
01:00:837 (1,2,3) - i think you should decrease spacing here
01:18:053 (4) - ctrl+g
01:58:110 (2) - this stack might be misleading because theres barely any sound here; maybe consider removing it?
As mentioned in a previous mod, you are kinda overdoing the spinners. Seems kinda lazy to me.

Insane

00:04:587 (1,2,3) - consistent spacing
00:08:849 (3,6) - fix stack
00:24:189 (8) - ctrl+g
00:26:235 (1,2,3) - consistent spacing
00:32:883 (4,3) - stack and then fix spacing between 00:33:224 (1,2,3) -
00:36:292 (3) - i think i would make this a straight slider upwards
00:54:360 (3,4,5) - this is really awkward to play
01:03:735 (3,5) - NC both of these
01:05:780 (1) - looks kinda weird, please improve - note: the shape itself is fine, but you can improve the end of the slider.
01:11:917 (4,6) - blanket
01:13:280 (4) - ctrl+j and blanket with 01:12:939 (2) -
01:18:564 (5) - NC
01:21:633 (6,7,8) - would do something like this instead

01:25:553 (3,5,7) - NC
01:28:281 (3,5,7) - ^
01:44:133 (6) - ^
01:53:337 (5,7) - ^
01:55:553 (3,5,7) - ^

Looks promising, good luck with ranking!

Shinenite

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Topic Starter

Shinenite 2017-03-01T13:45:57+00:00

brdzxh wrote:
hi from my queue

offset-wise try to put it as early as possible

this would fit way better imo (not that it really matters, but it just looks nicer) and the second timing point is just to reset the metronome since i think the first triple sound should be mapped and then followed with a spinner Changing the offset makes a bunch of Uninherited point problems and I've gotten these sorts of suggestions before but with quite the opposide saying that it should be the first note that the timing point is on, so as I'd rather not mess with the timing and have all those uninherited points I'd rather just leave it as is.

so on to the difficulties

Normal
00:07:314 (3,4) - would try to make some sort of blanket here Ehh, I don't think it's really that necessary, left it as is
00:12:769 (3) - maybe nc because theres a big difference in sound I don't really see that big of a difference..
00:17:371 (2,3) - blanket Sure
00:24:360 (5) - ctrl+h and then make a blanket with 00:25:383 (1) - Sure
00:31:689 - should be clickable Since the Normal is supposed to be pretty simple due to the fact that there isn't an Easy, I think it's fine as a non-clickable sound.
02:08:677 - circle here and spinner after Sure
I am not sure if all of the "special" slider shapes are necessary, as they seem to cause extra blanket work. Single curves are fine True, but I think the non-simple slider shapes make the map somewhat less boring cause it is a Normal after all.

Insane
00:04:587 (1,2,3) - consistent spacing Fixed
00:08:849 (3,6) - fix stack Fixed
00:24:189 (8) - ctrl+g Sure
00:26:235 (1,2,3) - consistent spacing I feel like the sound is a little bit more intense between 2 and 3 so I don't think consistent spacing works too well
00:32:883 (4,3) - stack and then fix spacing between 00:33:224 (1,2,3) - Sure
00:36:292 (3) - i think i would make this a straight slider upwards I think it looks kinda awkward like that?
00:54:360 (3,4,5) - this is really awkward to play I thnk it's fine, makes the more intense noises clickable but still preserves the triple and I think your cursor just kinda sides to the note after the slider just fine./color]
01:03:735 (3,5) - NC both of these
01:05:780 (1) - looks kinda weird, please improve - note: the shape itself is fine, but you can improve the end of the slider. Fixed
01:11:917 (4,6) - blanket Don't think it's necessary
01:13:280 (4) - ctrl+j and blanket with 01:12:939 (2) - ^
01:18:564 (5) - NC ^
01:21:633 (6,7,8) - would do something like this instead Did something similar to that

01:25:553 (3,5,7) - NC Don't think it's necessary
01:28:281 (3,5,7) - ^ ^
01:44:133 (6) - ^ ^
01:53:337 (5,7) - ^ ^
01:55:553 (3,5,7) - ^ ^

Looks promising, good luck with ranking! Thank you!

Thanks for the mod!

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