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Comedian Harmonists - Perpetuum Mobile [Osu|CatchTheBeat]

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JBHyperion
osu!catch Paragon
3,922 posts
Joined September 2014
JBHyperion

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

aaaaaa icons are scary

[stop speaking latin at me]

00:28:389 (1) - Moving this to the very slight left, like x:324, feels better to me because this note can be difficult to hit due to the fast nature of HDashes here. Done
00:58:567 (4) - Distance to this feels a tad bit too strong, try x:84 instead. Keeping this for consistency, since the previous jumps 00:57:446 (1,2,3,4) all increase by 0.2x each time for the increase in vocal strength
01:35:170 (6) - I think this feels better walkable, so maybe try x:268, and then 1 to x:68? Agreed, done

And that's it, call me back, absolutely amazing map, probably one of the best ever mapped.
Thanks :3

Pluvium
osu file format v14

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Title:Perpetuum Mobile
TitleUnicode:Perpetuum Mobile
Artist:Comedian Harmonists
ArtistUnicode:Comedian Harmonists
Creator:Bonsai
Version:Pluvium Hyperionis
Source:
Tags:BOUYAAA Squirrel JBHyperion german vocal group ensemble 20s 30s moto perpetuo johann strauss classical
BeatmapID:900134
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Bonsai
1,212 posts
Joined July 2011
Topic Starter
Bonsai
updated!

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

aaaaaa icons are scary
I am now living with constant anxiety too \o/

Also, nice to hear that the CtB-diff is so great, thanks a lot again, JBH :D


omg yellor bars *_* pishi can you pls be BN again so this whole page is BNs lol
JBHyperion
osu!catch Paragon
3,922 posts
Joined September 2014
JBHyperion
Fixed a few more nitpicky things in PM, hopefully this is okay :3

Chat
20:40 JBHyperion: sup dood
20:40 - Magic Bomb -: ayy
20:40 - Magic Bomb -: 02:19:031 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
20:40 - Magic Bomb -: this section
20:41 - Magic Bomb -: first 4 is really easy to overdash because it goes from hold dash pattern to normal movement to hold dash pattern
20:41 - Magic Bomb -: so I'd move 4 to x:156 and then move all of 02:19:730 (1,2,3,4) - to x:384
20:41 - Magic Bomb -: (the vocal on first 4 is also quite strong anyway)
20:43 JBHyperion: 02:20:254 (4,1) - nice timing jump aye
20:43 - Magic Bomb -: o didn't even notice that
20:43 - Magic Bomb -: lmao
20:43 JBHyperion: moved 02:20:429 (1) - to x-504
20:43 - Magic Bomb -: felt easy when testing
20:43 JBHyperion: hope that's not too close for ya
20:44 - Magic Bomb -: x:500 plz
20:44 - Magic Bomb -: just to be on the safe side :^)
20:44 JBHyperion: oh you
20:44 JBHyperion: k done
20:45 JBHyperion: anything else?
20:45 JBHyperion: xD
20:45 - Magic Bomb -: i'll go through whole map again
20:45 - Magic Bomb -: but i think that was it
20:46 JBHyperion: k
20:47 - Magic Bomb -: 00:34:243 (1) - Hmm I want to reduce distance to this but that gets rid of the HDash to 2
20:47 - Magic Bomb -: 00:34:243 (1,2) - Move both to like x:312?
20:47 JBHyperion: I could curve (6) more to the right
20:47 JBHyperion: oh
20:48 JBHyperion: that works too
20:48 JBHyperion: done
20:50 - Magic Bomb -: ok one more really nazi thing that idk if it's even an issue but i'll point it out anyway
20:51 - Magic Bomb -: 02:14:594 (1) - ctrl+g this and move it back to x:496
20:51 - Magic Bomb -: slider feels a bit too far against the wall
20:52 JBHyperion: k, done
20:52 - Magic Bomb -: kk yeah that's it
20:54 JBHyperion: nice
20:54 JBHyperion: thanks for the help man
20:54 - Magic Bomb -: np

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BOUYAAA
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BOUYAAA
I want to be yellow too!!!

Bonsai gut gemacht du popel
MBomb
MBomb
hic bulla

jk that's probably wrong idk
JBHyperion
osu!catch Paragon
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JBHyperion

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

hic bulla

jk that's probably wrong idk
hic bulla est would be "here is a bubble" I think (?) (^:

Thanks man!
Bonsai
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Topic Starter
Bonsai
"here bubble"
you might want to add a verb too ^^

Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam.

Thanks everybody!
BOUYAAA selber popel : (


also, just to be safe, I moved 00:58:567 (4) in Expertum up by like 10 pixels so it doesn't potentially collide with the HitError-bar, doesn't matter in gameplay at all anyways
Mint
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Mint
Fix small issue over IRC.
Qualified.

Lasse
Beatmap Nominator
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Lasse
tibi gratulor
Mismagius
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Mismagius
well, NOW you have the oldest ranked song
Irreversible
osu! Alumni
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Irreversible
urbi et orbi LOL
phaZ
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phaZ
gratzus
Battle
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Battle
the 3 to 1 ratio looks sad even though it's 75% :( im sure it'll get more positive ratings tho lol (like that rabbit map)

gz
Bonsai
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Topic Starter
Bonsai

Lasse wrote:

tibi gratulor
gratulor = 'I am being congratulated'
yes

Irreversible wrote:

urbi et orbi LOL
no

phaZ wrote:

gratzus

(c) Asterix: Iter Gallicum




Blue Dragon wrote:

well, NOW you have the oldest ranked song
a small dream come true ^_^ let's just hope it gets ranked heh

Battle wrote:

the 3 to 1 ratio looks sad even though it's 75% :(

seems accurate lol
tbh that's exactly what I expected ^^

Thanks everybody! :D
Battle
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Battle
5 to 1 ratio looks a lot less sad lol
Avishay
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Avishay
aren't diff names supposed to be universally understandable? at least the lower diffs..
Okoratu
Nomination Assessment Team / Elite Nominator
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Okoratu
Mapsets may also use a complete set of custom difficulty names that clearly indicate their level of difficulty to the player.
The set of custom diffnames seems to indicate difficulty of the diffs clearly, if the player understands some Latin, i guess. had the same case with Spanish diffnames last year and the outcome was something like Language doesn't matter that much since it fit the song's theme well... Might be interesting to see how this turns out

By universally understandable I assume you mean english, because otherwise you would have to name them in everyone's mother tongues and that's p r o b a b l y impossible.
Zectro
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Zectro
One of my favourite qualified maps in this game. Great job bonsai, proud of ya!
Avishay
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Avishay

Okoratu wrote:

Mapsets may also use a complete set of custom difficulty names that clearly indicate their level of difficulty to the player.
The set of custom diffnames seems to indicate difficulty of the diffs clearly, if the player understands some Latin, i guess. had the same case with Spanish diffnames last year and the outcome was something like Language doesn't matter that much since it fit the song's theme well... Might be interesting to see how this turns out

By universally understandable I assume you mean english, because otherwise you would have to name them in everyone's mother tongues and that's p r o b a b l y impossible.
inb4 emojis can be used as diff names 'cuz they're universal.

But yeah I had to drop a word here because I understand mostly nothing from those diff names lol.
Battle
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Battle

plssssss
ZiRoX
Elite Mapper
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ZiRoX
The diffnames do indicate the level of difficulty. It doesn't take that much to connect them to their english counterparts.
JBHyperion
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JBHyperion

Avishay wrote:

But yeah I had to drop a word here because I understand mostly nothing from those diff names lol.
Quaestio CDIV : Linguam Latinam non inventum est
BOUYAAA
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BOUYAAA

Avishay wrote:

aren't diff names supposed to be universally understandable? at least the lower diffs..
There is that thing called star rating which serves exactly that
Avishay
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Avishay

BOUYAAA wrote:

Avishay wrote:

aren't diff names supposed to be universally understandable? at least the lower diffs..
There is that thing called star rating which serves exactly that
yeah, but if star rating indicates the difficulty why won't we just drop any name we want on a difficulty?
Bonsai
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Bonsai
  1. Vulgare -> vulgar, very simple -> easy
  2. Usuale -> usual, normal
  3. Profectum: This is admittedly not that easy to guess, you'd have to know that 'ficere' means 'to do' and how Latin uses to derive new words from others with prefixes blabla, bur when you know the surrounding Diffs then you're able to classify this one too
  4. Difficilor -> difficult, hard
  5. Insanum pls
  6. Expertum pls
  7. Pluvium = the only CtB-diff so who cares tbh xd
In case you really don't get it, I listed them in the description too.
Makeli
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Makeli
but like it's not that hard to figure out what these diff names actually mean
idk probably profectum would be the hardest one to figure out
and the diff names fit the theme
Stefan
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Stefan
A difficulty's name must indicate its level of difficulty, with the exception of the hardest level of difficulty in a set. The mapset's hardest difficulty may use an appropriate custom difficulty name, unrelated to a username. Mapsets may also use a complete set of custom difficulty names that clearly indicate their level of difficulty to the player. Marathon maps with a single difficulty may use free naming.
Feel free to create a thread in the Ranking Criteria section to amend the rule that Difficulty names needs to be in english - the universal language in osu!. Also,

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/49899
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/295706

recent examples which were easily ranked.
Avishay
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Avishay
I'm too lazy to do that, it's just by chance that I saw this map and not the others and I wanted to drop my opinion, nothing agaisnt the map or the mapper, cheers.

Also, 2012 is 4 years ago so egh.. yeah
JBHyperion
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JBHyperion

Avishay wrote:

Also, 2012 is 4 years ago so egh.. yeah
Yeeeeeah... This would probably be more appropriate as a "recent" example lol - https://osu.ppy.sh/s/239262
Deif
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Deif
The timing is quite accurate, but there are some sections/circles that could be even more precise. Disqualifying by now to gather some more opinions before the beatmap gets into the Ranked section.

About the piano drifts I've asked Charles about them. Theoretically you'd need to place a timing line for each note of them to get the "perfect" timing, but we can stick to the 1st and the last note of the streams being timed right so the stream is rather constant and not so confusing for the players.

This is what I've found:

  1. 00:21:835 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This is a case where the vocals aren't synced to the piano. It's actually timed to the vocals here but for the piano they sound rather late. Your call in this case.
  2. 00:28:955 (3,4,5) - Those sliders aren't properly synced to the vocals and sound rather early. For that you'll need to modify the timing sections from 00:28:389 - until 00:29:898 - staying this last one untouched:
  3. 01:12:500 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Piano is off, or at least the beginning of it. 01:12:328 - BPM should be 160 instead, and a new section at 01:12:515 - with BPM 179 is needed.
  4. 01:13:192 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Piano is really off. 01:13:017 - with BPM 140 and a new one at 01:13:231 - with BPM 184,5 would make the deal.
  5. 01:13:896 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Piano is drunk. 01:13:718 - needs BPM 120 and you have to add at 01:13:968 - a new one with 182,6 to make them sound well.
  6. 02:08:468 (5) - Some piano drifts, not accurately 1/4s but the kickslider could work to compensate them.
  7. 02:08:821 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - In this whole part the piano fluctuates, making it not be synced properly with the vocals. I have mixed feelings about this section since the beginning of 02:09:174 (2) - is definitely about 40-50 ms earlier from both vocals and piano, but as in the first case you choose whether the timing should go with the vocals or the piano.
  8. 02:21:701 (9) - Slightly early. Adding extra sections at 02:21:519 - BPM 156 and 02:21:711 - BPM 174 would solve it.
  9. 02:31:681 (7) - The last note also sounds earlier as it should. You'd need a section at 02:31:508 - with BPM 164 and another one at 02:31:690 - with BPM 152 so that the last timing section gets aligned with the metronome of this one.
It'd also be recommendable to find another BG picture. The current one is quite pixelated and therefore discouraged to use with the nowadays' standards.

Poke me ingame if you need further help!
Bonsai
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Bonsai

Okidoki, thanks for writing everything up so detailed, I'll get to in the evening!
About the BG, this picture is simply not available in any better quality but I reeaally love it, so I'd really like to keep it :( I mean the audio itself isn't that great already, so the BG-quality kinda fits, don't you think? ^^
JBHyperion
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JBHyperion
Deif based timing god o_O
Bonsai
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Bonsai

Deif wrote:

The timing is quite accurate, but there are some sections/circles that could be even more precise. Disqualifying by now to gather some more opinions before the beatmap gets into the Ranked section.

About the piano drifts I've asked Charles about them. Theoretically you'd need to place a timing line for each note of them to get the "perfect" timing, but we can stick to the 1st and the last note of the streams being timed right so the stream is rather constant and not so confusing for the players.

This is what I've found:

  1. 00:21:835 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This is a case where the vocals aren't synced to the piano. It's actually timed to the vocals here but for the piano they sound rather late. Your call in this case.
    I made 00:21:835 one BPM higher since vocals are a tiny bit late too
  2. 00:28:955 (3,4,5) - Those sliders aren't properly synced to the vocals and sound rather early. For that you'll need to modify the timing sections from 00:28:389 - until 00:29:898 - staying this last one untouched:

    made the first one 157 instead of your first two since the vocals before the second one are late already, also not destroying reverse-sliders in lower diffs this way (it still lands exactly at 00:29:726 as you suggested)
  3. 01:12:500 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Piano is off, or at least the beginning of it. 01:12:328 - BPM should be 160 instead, and a new section at 01:12:515 - with BPM 179 is needed.
    (3) is already accurate, and this note is always clickable so I see zero benefit in delaying it. I did slow this section minimally down though so 01:13:025 makes a compromise between piano and vocals since in lower diffs only vocals are mapped
  4. 01:13:192 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Piano is really off. 01:13:017 - with BPM 140 and a new one at 01:13:231 - with BPM 184,5 would make the deal.
    Because of that change in the previous point, the first note is now 10ms later (and the second note of that stream is already accurate anyways) + the last note of this stream was early anyways and is now at 01:13:735 (7) -(which is +17ms) so this should really be good now
  5. 01:13:896 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Piano is drunk. 01:13:718 - needs BPM 120 and you have to add at 01:13:968 - a new one with 182,6 to make them sound well.
    Now this would be something that literally nobody could acc because that just sounds extremely stupid when applied, a change from 170BPM to 120 and then to 180 would be completely unplayable and as I said in the first point of these three already, every note until 01:14:437 -(from which on it sounds correct anyways) is either ignored or mapped clickable in every Std-diff, so I see absolutely no point in making this accurate since that is just unplayable and I see absolutely no benefit in doing that. It is a bit later already because of the previous points, but I don't want to destroy it be timing that delay here.
  6. 02:08:468 (5) - Some piano drifts, not accurately 1/4s but the kickslider could work to compensate them.
    And by that you mean that I can leave it as is? Bc the thing is, nothing is accurate, but the piano isn't very distinctively audible at any playback rate anyways so I believe making it easiest for the player is best bc I don't believe that timing anything more accurately actually makes any audible difference at all
  7. 02:08:821 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - In this whole part the piano fluctuates, making it not be synced properly with the vocals. I have mixed feelings about this section since the beginning of 02:09:174 (2) - is definitely about 40-50 ms earlier from both vocals and piano, but as in the first case you choose whether the timing should go with the vocals or the piano.
    I set a section at 02:08:468 so 02:08:829 is now 8ms later (the bass is earlier than the other vocals here and also the most prominent imo, so making it any later sounds off for the bass), but from there on made it almost as fast as it was again so the vocals are accurate since those are the more prominent sounds and those have also slidertails mapped to them in the lower diffs which makes it super weird if those are off, whereas piano is just an inaudible mess anyways
  8. 02:21:701 (9) - Slightly early. Adding extra sections at 02:21:519 - BPM 156 and 02:21:711 - BPM 174 would solve it.
    Seems really unnecessary since in all Std-diffs this is either not mapped or mapped clickable, thus it has absolutely zero effect other than making it a bit harder to acc, but ok lol
  9. 02:31:681 (7) - The last note also sounds earlier as it should. You'd need a section at 02:31:508 - with BPM 164 and another one at 02:31:690 - with BPM 152 so that the last timing section gets aligned with the metronome of this one.
    I guess
It'd also be recommendable to find another BG picture. The current one is quite pixelated and therefore discouraged to use with the nowadays' standards.

Poke me ingame if you need further help!
I applied all of that to Expertum now, gonna wait for feedback before I go on the epic quest of resnapping everything in every diff

I also noticed while it was qualified that the sliderticks at 00:25:851 - 00:26:576 - 00:31:693 - 00:32:439 sound really stupid in Profectum/Difficilor/Expertum so I made them 10% in those diffs which is still audible but not so disturbing
Lasse
Beatmap Nominator
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Lasse
didn't even notice this was dqd until now, rip
for the bg, how about using one of those versions instead:
http://puu.sh/nI0FO/673cf0daf4.png
tried some upscaling stuff and cut it to a normal aspect ratio (16:9)
or this on, which is upscaled even more but seems slightly more blurry:
http://puu.sh/nI0nw/0de9c4f3f0.png
since the current one is extremely low res and nothing similar is avaiable in a better quality you could give them a try

won't comment on the timing since I would most likely make it worse if anything, lol
gl
Kuki
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Joined October 2013
Kuki
1280x720
this is alright, yeah

1024x768
pretty bad, use this only as your last resort

640x480
this would have been maybe ok 10 years ago- lest we forget your image is 100px less height.
+fun fact: the resolution you're using is a bit higher than that of the original mactinosh from around 30 years ago at 512x342 (compared to 632x379).


if you want to use this probably use the images lasse provided, otherwise find a new bg.

side note; when i'm looking for new maps if i can't hear the song i'll judge the beatmap's quality based on the title and/or bg, if it's bad or not appealing i won't go for it. by all means, don't confine yourself to making your beatmap look good for other people instead of yourself, but keep it in mind if it's something you care about. also, vulgare sciuri/profectum are not very obvious in any way, these words mean literally nothing to me, many people also don't check the beatmap page so they won't be able to read the difficulty name clarification you've put there. i don't see this making sense to anyone else unless by chance they know slight latin. also, assuming that people will understand the difficulty levels if they find the meaning of the rest of the difficulty names isn't ideal.
Bonsai
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Joined July 2011
Topic Starter
Bonsai
^ oh, didn't notice this post - Yeah ofc I'll use Lasse's instead, thanks Lasse <3
About "judging quality" by the BG (O.o): If you can't hear the song, this means that you're probably looking at it on the website, meaning that you won't notice the quality of the BG either, soo I don't really see a point here ^^ (also I don't think a picture of an 'actual' Perpetuum Mobile would be more appealing than this lol)
And about people not checking the map description: If you're confused by the diffnames and actually care about them, I think you are very likely to look at the description, so yeah
I mean I can write 'Squirrelae' instead of 'Sciuri' to make it more obvious that it's a GD, would that be better? o:
ZekeyHache
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ZekeyHache
I'm lazy
I'm a horrible person~
Bonsai
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Topic Starter
Bonsai

ezek wrote:

I'm lazy
I'm a horrible person~
dude
that's not the bg
that was just my reaction image
aaaaaaaa

(but it looks really promising lol)
Shad0w1and
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Shad0w1and
ZekeyHache
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ZekeyHache
I need those skills ^
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