22:26 Lust: i'll just give you the examples we've listed in the dq post
22:26 Lust: and tell you what we think of them so you can fix them up before i post it
22:26 Jenny: mhm
22:26 Lust: alright first off, 00:13:772 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) -
22:27 Lust: we agreed that the build up + the music warrants the progression in spacing
22:27 Lust: but we think that 00:15:157 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - is a bit too extreme given the previous build up
22:27 Lust: (spacing wise)
22:27 Jenny: 00:15:157 (1,2,3) - I don't think that's too far
22:28 Jenny: 00:15:618 (1,2,3,4) - can reduce spacing on this by a bit though
22:28 Lust: i offered up the suggestion that either you could space 00:13:772 (2,3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3) - out more so that the build up is more natural
22:28 Lust: or nerf 00:15:618 (1,2,3,4) -
22:28 Lust: ye
22:28 Jenny: thing is, I do the spacing with followpoints now
22:28 Jenny: so like, it's more in steps rather than just "oh yeah drag this a bit closer by like 0.18"
22:28 Jenny: actually
22:29 Jenny: 00:15:926 (3) - if I space this more downwards, that makes the last combo feel a lot less big
22:29 Lust: perhaps, i think one of the issues we had was that the momentum wasnt enough from the build up to carry the cursor through to 00:15:926 (3,4) -
22:30 Lust: so if you could place it in an area that would require less extreme movement, that works too in a way
22:31 Jenny:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3260037 ?
22:32 Lust: looks good
22:32 Jenny:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3260040 as opposed to that
22:33 Lust: next example was 00:24:388 (1,2,3,4) -
22:33 Jenny: I don't think those are misleading :p
22:33 Lust: we found that 00:23:926 (1,2,3) - gave a lot of momentum moving forward, so the cursor stopping at 00:24:541 (2,3,4) - is a bit too much
22:34 Lust: 00:24:541 (2,3,4) - spacing this out further from 00:24:388 (1) - works
22:34 Lust: it was more like the contrast between the previous pattern and this was too extreme gameplay-wise
22:34 Jenny:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3260050 ?
22:35 Jenny: I don't like having a followpoint there, is the thing
22:36 Lust: i suppose this could work, but i'm not entirely sure how to arrange it according to your liking
22:36 Jenny: I don't really see that one to be honest
22:36 Lust: thats something you could play with i suppose
22:36 Jenny: like, the issue with it
22:36 Jenny: noone ever had any problems with it while playing either, so I don't see a playability concern on it either
22:37 Lust: the QAT that evaluated this pattern and pointed it out is a pretty good player
22:37 Lust: not going to give any names away but
22:37 Lust: i'd trust his opinion
22:37 Jenny: and I kinda do trust my eyes and own abilities x:
22:37 Jenny: I've had a lot of people test this through since BNs were massively scared of it
22:40 Jenny: so yeah.. that one I don't see, no :/
22:40 Lust: its up to you if you want to change it, its still going to be listed as an example in the dq
22:40 Jenny: sure
22:41 Lust: anyway, next example was the overlapping found 00:31:772 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - here
22:42 Lust: the player could be disoriented upon the approach
22:42 Jenny: "could"?
22:42 Lust: ye
22:42 Jenny: ..are we worrying about "could be" in a 7* map? x:
22:43 Lust: im just telling you what we've found and agreed upon
22:43 Lust: its better to rule out any doubtful patterns while we can
22:43 Jenny:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3260092 ?
22:43 Jenny: do you think that's better?
22:43 Jenny: since the overlap becoves relevant 2-3 notes later
22:44 Lust: yeah, looks better
22:44 Jenny:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/326009822:44 *Lust thumbs up
22:45 Jenny: fair enough
22:45 Lust: alrighty, next one is 00:33:157 (1,2,3,4) -
22:45 Lust: 00:33:157 (1,2,3) - gives off a lot of momentum, that comes to a dead stop at 00:33:618 (4) -
22:46 Lust: 00:33:618 (4) - spacing this out more would accent the music better + make the play more comfortable
22:46 Lust: errr "natural" as the person called it
22:48 Jenny: I was considering to increase it a bit actually
22:48 Jenny: one or two followpoints, what's better?
22:48 Jenny: I like 1, to be fair
22:49 Lust: 1 would be preferred yeah
22:49 Lust: but 2 would give more momentum into the spinner i suppose
22:49 Lust: but i guess that doesnt matter too much
22:49 Jenny: yeah, using one (3.01x)
22:50 Lust: sounds good
22:50 Lust: next example was 03:04:080 (11,12) -
22:51 Lust: the jump between 03:04:080 (11,12) - is way overdone
22:51 Jenny: eh
22:51 Jenny: it's just a 195 1/2
22:51 Jenny: I feel like I don't want the snap on 12 though
22:51 Jenny: so I'll probably redo that
22:52 Lust: alrighty, feel free to show it to me sometime if you'd like
22:53 Lust: 03:10:926 (6,1) - the spacing between these felt too unnatural given the play
22:53 Lust: lowering the spacing between the two objects works
22:53 Jenny:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/326013222:53 Jenny: I like this actually, makes 15 a snap since it has the strong drum
22:54 Jenny: 03:10:926 (6,1) - thing about these is, if I lower the distance the visual cues will look really bad
22:56 Lust: like...03:11:388 (6,1) - stuff like this plays really well because of the downward lead into it
22:56 Lust: 03:10:926 (6,1) - requires some pretty extreneous movement
22:56 Jenny: I know that
22:56 Lust: so lowering the spacing between them would be ideal
22:56 Jenny: thing is, how visuals
22:57 Jenny:
http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/326014322:57 Jenny: that'd be 2.05x instead of.. 2.4x?
22:57 Jenny: so it's basically the same as 03:11:388 (6,1,6,1) -
22:57 Lust: should work yeah
22:58 Jenny: 03:10:849 (5,2) - I wanted more spacing between these for visual balance but I guess it still 'works'
22:58 Jenny: not as well visually, but should be okay
23:01 Lust: the last of the examples is 03:52:849 (3,1) - this
23:01 Lust: and well i already told you about it earlier lol
23:01 Jenny: hm
23:01 Jenny: do you have an idea about how like
23:01 Jenny: I could add a little curl at the start of the slider
23:01 Jenny: so it indicates a hold?
23:03 Lust: no idea, the recommendation i brought up was to lower the spacing between the two objects
23:03 Lust: but if you could figure out how to do that, that works to i suppose
23:03 Lust: since it will make the slow down more noticeable
23:03 Jenny: I'd increase the speed by +0.02x or smth so it keeps the same length then
23:03 Jenny: but that'll be some fiddling
23:03 Jenny: so many beziers
23:04 Lust: and lastly, the other thing that was mentioned was that combo color 1 and combo color 2 are too similar
23:04 Lust: i disagreed, but welp i suppose changing it wouldnt hurt too much
23:06 Jenny:
http://puu.sh/iqbqW/91a7d71300.png23:06 Jenny:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/326017623:06 Lust: i'd have to see what the objects look like to be sure, but from the looks of it
23:06 Jenny: or would that work
23:06 Lust: it should be fine
23:07 Lust: that works
23:07 Lust: thats actually what i had down originally haha
23:07 Jenny: you see
23:07 Jenny: the only problem with this is
23:08 Jenny: 04:15:157 (1) - I will now have to arrange this pattern :[
23:08 Lust: :[
23:08 Jenny: actually, works.
23:09 Jenny: yeah
23:09 Jenny: easy
23:09 Jenny: 04:15:157 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - just moved this to the nex sliderend, kept the exact same spacing towards 04:16:541 (8) -
23:09 Jenny: is that all?
23:10 Lust: welp, they were just examples so i'm sure there are other instances where they could be applied
23:10 Lust: but you heard that whole spiel before
23:10 Lust: yada yada yada
23:10 Jenny: :p
23:10 Jenny: I'd like the timestamps to be fair
23:11 Lust: going to DQ it now, we are trying out this new format for DQs to get ready for the new anonymized QAT account
23:11 Lust: so if the DQ post looks robotic as hell, just know that its intentional lol
23:11 Jenny: I.. see?
23:12 Jenny: using "dat hype train" for maximum new DQ model exposure :^)
23:12 Lust: LOL i wonder if the guys upstairs calculated this situation beforehand... haha
23:12 Jenny: no surprise would be had
23:13 Jenny: but yeah, go ahead
23:14 Lust: posted, lets hope things dont blow too far out of proportion lol
23:15 Jenny: at least you didn't do it like Garven and looked at the map before you DQ'd it :p
23:16 Jenny: 03:34:926 (6,1,6,1) - also, lowered these to 2.3x
23:17 Lust: lets see how fast this is posted to reddit haha
23:18 Lust: ...
23:18 Lust: that was quick
23:18 Lust: LOL