Shawn Wasabi - Marble Soda [Osu|OsuMania] · forum

Exa

Joined January 2015

Topic Starter

Exa 2015-07-19T16:37:17+00:00

Litharrale wrote:

Exa wrote:
Comments like that make me confused on what people really want here :S

A while ago

All you could find to point out

And then you are trying to imply that the map is not of good quality? :S
It's clear that you are ignorant regarding the quality standards of today's beatmapping. If you are willing to cause strife, then pleeeease don't.
If - however - you seriously have any concerns about the map's quality, you are more than welcome to make a mod (and actually find stuff to prove your statement) or talk to me in-game and explain why you think the map is not of good quality.

As for the stubborn part: I am not being stubborn I am just not getting actually useful mods for any difficulty other than fartownik's and any testplayer that I have forced into playing this has stated that there are no flow issues and imo the map looks aesthetically fine. As for the rhythm, I see nothing wrong with it and nor does any modder who dealt with this beatmap set so far. (P A N made some good suggestions though).

And on an end note, I am - in no way possible - going to sacrifice the quality of any of my beatmaps and be stubborn with it in order to get it ranked.
Fartwonik did some major changes that he did not intend to do initially, just for the sake of rankabilty. So, saying that anyone who worked on this set is stubborn, is extremely rude and offensive.

TL;DR

Artist's pixiv: http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=2696273
Woah. I think....I think you missed my point.....by a mile.....

Don't be so vain, I was just linking the image of garven's userpage to try and reinforce my post before about how the low quality mods are ruining your map because everything thinks more mods = better map when it's really not true. Especially when you have a unique mapping style. Jesus dude I wasn't insulting you, I didn't even say your map was low quality, it's the only map on my 9,000 strong list thats unranked.

Mk we are in the clear

Frim4503

2,067 posts

Joined July 2013

Frim4503 2015-07-20T06:50:41+00:00

just find people who can mod and testplay the std diff then fix the unrankable isues. the find BN to rank it or ask QAT for theis opinions if you unsure about your mapping style.
no offense, idk about std mapping

NVAN

268 posts

Joined November 2013

NVAN 2015-07-26T12:37:36+00:00

I'm gonna do the rest of the diff. If you've done.

Legends

| Unrankable. Please give me a reason why you refuse this, and two for to keep it. Or else, say goodbye for the rank status.
| Highly Recommended. Give me a very obvious reason why do you refuse it
| Suggestions. You can keep this alone if you don't like it, sometimes it's just a nazi stuff
| Comments or Attention. Just a word of the map's part. You better not reply it to keep yourself happy (Because seomtime it's negative and can hurt yourself)

[Nozhomi's Extra]

00:04:743 (1,2) - This should be 1/8, try to listen it at 25%. Or to make it simple. Just change them into circles only
00:05:457 (1) - Since this is a bit too far for many players. Try to move it to x:296 y:144 ; I'm just trying to make the pattern look more neat. And if you apply this mod, move 00:05:814 (2) to x:392 y:344
00:20:457 (4,1) - I think you need to increase the volume since i even can't hear the "Play" hitsound
00:21:886 (1) - Even the spacing is higher than the before one, try to remove the NC since it's unneded. And also, it's still easy to be guess blindly when to tap it.
00:34:386 (2,3,4) - To be honest, this can be a bad idea. Putting 1/3 triplets like that can be a bad idea since there aren't a lot of 1/3 on this song. So change it into a slider
00:35:457 (2) - This one isn't stacekd well with the head of 00:34:029 (1)
00:48:314 (5) - Same issue as 00:20:457 (4,1) ; You have to increase the volume
01:00:457 (4) - Same issue as above
01:37:600 (1,2,3) - Same issue as 00:34:386 (2,3,4) - Change it into a slider and also 01:37:734 (2) is wrong snapped
01:43:493 (6) - Avoid this one touching the slider's blanket of 01:43:672 (1)
01:54:743 (1) - Even the pitch is going higher on this part, but try to get the tail of it is close to the head of 01:55:100 (1) - This is for playablity to make more player avoid from miss (Pls don't be like fartownik)
02:14:386 (5) - This is almost touching 02:13:850 (2) ; Try to avoid that next time
02:17:511 (5,6,7,8,9,1) - Are you trying to make it like a stacked-double-dumb (Example)? Because 02:17:689 (7,8) Isn't aligned well. If no, Just ignore it
02:37:243 (5,6) - These two seems touching. Try to make them untouching.
02:39:386 (1) - Well not trying to complain. But why you don't just move the spinner start to 02:39:118 - Hey, it won't be a pain, right?

[Powerpuff Grills]

01:59:386 (1) - This object is touching the HP bar

The rest are jokes >.>

Good luck o/

Nozhomi

Global Moderator

4,568 posts

Joined May 2013

Nozhomi 2015-07-26T13:49:26+00:00

XeroiZi HD wrote:
I'm gonna do the rest of the diff. If you've done.

Legends
| Unrankable. Please give me a reason why you refuse this, and two for to keep it. Or else, say goodbye for the rank status.
| Highly Recommended. Give me a very obvious reason why do you refuse it
| Suggestions. You can keep this alone if you don't like it, sometimes it's just a nazi stuff
| Comments or Attention. Just a word of the map's part. You better not reply it to keep yourself happy (Because seomtime it's negative and can hurt yourself)

[notice][Nozhomi's Extra]
00:04:743 (1,2) - This should be 1/8, try to listen it at 25%. Or to make it simple. Just change them into circles only - - 1/8 whould work but I think it would be a little overdone and I prefer keep them to have a full 1/4 pattern here.
00:05:457 (1) - Since this is a bit too far for many players. Try to move it to x:296 y:144 ; I'm just trying to make the pattern look more neat. And if you apply this mod, move 00:05:814 (2) to x:392 y:344 - It's not far, spacing is constant with previous 1/4.
00:20:457 (4,1) - I think you need to increase the volume since i even can't hear the "Play" hitsound - Forget to remove it lol.
00:21:886 (1) - Even the spacing is higher than the before one, try to remove the NC since it's unneded. And also, it's still easy to be guess blindly when to tap it. - NC is necessary for SV change.
00:34:386 (2,3,4) - To be honest, this can be a bad idea. Putting 1/3 triplets like that can be a bad idea since there aren't a lot of 1/3 on this song. So change it into a slider - I think I could if it was an Insane, but that's an Extra. People could be able to read it and play it (I pass it without problem).
00:35:457 (2) - This one isn't stacekd well with the head of 00:34:029 (1) - ...they are.
00:48:314 (5) - Same issue as 00:20:457 (4,1) ; You have to increase the volume - Forget to remove this one too.
01:00:457 (4) - Same issue as above - ^
01:37:600 (1,2,3) - Same issue as 00:34:386 (2,3,4) - Change it into a slider and also 01:37:734 (2) is wrong snapped - Fix bad snaping, but not turn this into a slider, because people are aware of it since I made one at 01:25:457 (2) - .
01:43:493 (6) - Avoid this one touching the slider's blanket of 01:43:672 (1) - Not touching at all, it's just really close.
01:54:743 (1) - Even the pitch is going higher on this part, but try to get the tail of it is close to the head of 01:55:100 (1) - This is for playablity to make more player avoid from miss (Pls don't be like fartownik) - Change a little...I guess.
02:14:386 (5) - This is almost touching 02:13:850 (2) ; Try to avoid that next time - Wut...from where it touch it ?
02:17:511 (5,6,7,8,9,1) - Are you trying to make it like a stacked-double-dumb (Example)? Because 02:17:689 (7,8) Isn't aligned well. If no, Just ignore it - Wooooooooooooops.
02:37:243 (5,6) - These two seems touching. Try to make them untouching. - I prefer keep symetric pattern.
02:39:386 (1) - Well not trying to complain. But why you don't just move the spinner start to 02:39:118 - Hey, it won't be a pain, right? - Because I'm stupid XD
Good luck o/

Thx~

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Exa

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Topic Starter

Exa 2015-07-29T13:20:58+00:00

Notice: Offset changed to 807.

Everything should be fine now.

Aka

1,777 posts

Joined January 2012

Aka 2015-07-31T21:03:33+00:00

remapped insane and normal are indeed pretty much better now. farto diff rocks btw

have my star

Nozhomi

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Nozhomi 2015-08-01T01:04:20+00:00

Aka wrote:
remapped insane and normal are indeed pretty much better now

I agree.

Btw hi Aka

Exa

445 posts

Joined January 2015

Topic Starter

Exa 2015-08-03T16:25:53+00:00

For the Powerpuff Grills difficulty:

00:58:128 (2,2,1,1,2,1,2,3,1,2) - Since many people are mentioning these, I would like to explain why they work here.

00:57:949 (1,2,1) - The core of their efficiency lies within these 3 hitobjects. The transition 00:57:949 (1,2) - from the note to the slider proposes a fully linear cursor movement, which works with the transition 00:58:128 (2,1) - here to ensure a perfect back-and-forth flow.
00:58:128 (2,1) - When the player first taps on the slider, he will - of course - not know how to treat it. No matter how late or early he releases his finger, the cursor should not have moved much because it's a really small jump to make between these 2 hitobjects. Therefore, this slider is ensured to play well, and when that happens, the player should have learned the nature of it and use that knowledge to complete the other similar sliders.

Milan-

1,473 posts

Joined August 2011

Milan- 2015-08-04T04:45:11+00:00

nozhomi
-00:01:521 (3,4,1,2) - having the same pattern even tho the music has emphasis on (2) is not really nice.
-00:29:914 (3,1) - they way you make the transition towards this kind of sliders is reallly annoying, rotating (1) by 30°~ flows better. It may be a minor but still makes the map better:p. 00:30:628 (3,1) - same
-00:31:521 (1,2) - offbeat slider isnt that great, try ctrl g'ng that rhythm. Sounds better
-00:33:664 (5) - Uh it's better just as a circle cuz there's no music or something that support an extended slider here, in addition to make the following pattern play better . (or maybe slow it down?)
-there are some pattern where you could improve the flow just doing minor adjustments, like here 00:15:806 (5,1,2,1,2,3) - it feels really forced the way you change suddenly to 1/4 sliders jumps, without saying that the flow you make here 00:16:878 (3,4,5,6) - is really awkward due to bad usage of slider leniency. And fast/ugly example of what you could've done there is something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3484487
-00:34:616 (3,1) - this could be another example. You make the player stay in one position by doing this 00:34:378 (1,2,3) - so it'd play cooler if 00:34:735 (1) - stays also in the same spot.
-00:59:556 (9,1,2) - you're forcing slider leniency to do the job even tho it doesnt actually do it right.
-Also there are some parts where the music get less stronger / slower, but you still keep jumping on every beat. Ex, 00:46:342 (5) - you make it part of the whole triangle but this beat is way weaker than the others so making a triangle with this note doesnt have much sense; 00:55:628 (2) - here clearly the music gets slower but you use the same distance that you use on stronger parts of the song. 01:40:806 (1,2,3,4) - similar
-Some notes on the last kiai doesnt fit to the song very well. It's a slow part of song so they sound mostly overmapped. like 02:09:110 (7) - 02:09:289 (9) - 02:11:967 (7) - (you could've mapped 02:11:789 - instead tho..) 02:16:074 (5) - 02:18:753 (5) - . You may say, "but there's a 1/4 sounds there", there's a very low 1/4 on the whole section, it doesnt mean you need to map them.
-02:17:503 (5,6,7,8,9,1) - they way this stream is designed isnt really fitting to the track. This part is really plain and slow, making a kinda wub stream feels forced.

insane
-uh i dont really see the need to use a low SL tbh. A normal sl makes everything a bit more readable
-00:02:056 (6,7) - try ctrl g to this rhythm so the downbeat is clickable and fits the music better,
-00:08:306 (4,5,6) - triple doesnt sound really well cuz (5) isnt mapping something in concrete. Try using a 1/2 slider instead or just 2 circles.
-00:32:235 (3,4) - would be better if you use constant distance here aswell.
-00:49:914 (3,4,5) - flow here is pretty sharp due to the shape of (4) and the suddenly back&forth you do there
-01:08:664 (7) - i'd make it a 1/2 slider cuz it's ending the section and also cuz it feels so empty right
-01:23:485 (12,1,2,3) - sharp flow.. It feels not so good cuz the fact you're forcing slider leniency in a bad way. You make a horizontal moviment between 01:22:949 (10,11,12) - to suddenly stop and go back to a sharp slider 01:23:664 (1) - that leads towards a spaced triple. It happens a lot on the map. like here 01:28:485 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - you change directions too drastically making the jump towards (6) feel overdone and not so good to play. You can do them more smoother by placing the object on not so sharp positions, that is why some people just overuse triangles cuz they dont have sharp movements and are easy to do. Try to think in better ways to do these kind of patterns and the overall will improve considerably. 01:34:378 (4,5,6,7,1) - this is cool.
-01:40:806 (1,2,3,4) - you should do this pattern with (4) included if piano is what you're mapping there.
-01:42:056 (4,1) - 3/4 gap comes out of nowhere and isnt intuitive to play. Add a note at 01:42:414 - if you want to keep the sliders and make it play right.
-01:43:306 (3) - feels better if it were a 1/2 slider due to the nature of music as you can clearly hear the pause at 01:42:949 (2) - but then speed up on (3).
-02:01:164 - 02:00:985 - you should really consider to map those spots. I see you want to make the transition to the battery there but it plays not-so-well, and weirdly when you decide to map 02:02:056 (4) - . You basically are contradicting yourself there.
-02:14:378 (10,11) - because you cant see (11) approach circle, you'll always think it'll be a 1/4 gap but it isnt. you should put it somewhere more readable. even stacking under (10) tail is better.
-01:37:592 (8) - this should be in 1/3

light insane
-patterns like 01:02:235 (3,4,5,6,7,1) - will be a lot more playable if sl wasnt as low as it is right now.
-00:14:735 (7) - better as 1/2. cuz the speed up after a pause
-00:36:164 (4) - move it closer to 00:36:342 (5) - so, spacing makes sense to the rhythm. 00:41:878 (4,5) - similar 00:42:414 (6,1) - and pretty much all of them. 00:02:949 (3,4,1) - this plays ok cuz spacing represent the rhythm. You cant say "but uh AR is ok", you should be able to map it accordly to the music and not to how fast the circles are displayed.
-00:40:628 (5,1) - movement is kinda sharp here. if you move (1) to like x269y55 or something, it'll feel much better.
-00:48:306 (10,11,1,2) - changing distance on a horizontal way doesnt really feel good. Try using vertical movements between 1 and 2
-01:17:949 - there's a new rhythm beginning here. you could add another spinner from this point to compensate it

hard
-01:03:485 (1) - sliders which modifed artificially the speed arent allowed.
-01:34:021 (2) - this should end at 01:34:378 - . cuz it's a stronger beat that where it ends right now.
-Uhm the problem with this diff is that, there's no real concept behind. Sometimes you map it like a Normal, sometimes like a hard and sometimes you do patterns that are just seen in insane.
-What i really recommend you is to do a clean-up or remap of this. And make it more... like a hard is. Keep using 1 distance snap for the whole map (probably 1.4 is the best for this sv) some little jumps time to time are ok. But changing distance constantly ends being hard to play and mostly weird overall. There are some section right now that are pure 1/1, which shouldnt really happens, you miss a lot of beats and make the whole map unbalance cuz some other parts use a lot of 1/2 constantly. I suggest you to not use 3/4 sliders at all, some may be fitting like 02:22:592 (1,2) - but others like 00:16:878 (1,2) - makes the map just hard to play for nothing. Also patterns like 00:35:449 (2,3,1,2) - are totally unpleasant to play and even unreadable at this level.

normal
-00:41:878 (3,1) - extremely hard to read for your easiest diff. Dont do it. Try to play like a newbie would do, overlaps are hard overall at this level, and if you mix them with stacks even harder.
-00:47:592 (3,4,5) - flow is weird cuz you go back and forth with a hard to read rhythm.
-00:53:306 (3,4) - i really suggest you to avoid this stack. I'd be ok if it were a 1/1 or 2/1, but 3/2 is hard.
-01:35:092 (1,2,3) - also really hard for your easiest diff. similar to before

there's no much point on modding the highest diff. Others modders already gave similar thoughts to mine.

gl hf

Exa

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Topic Starter

Exa 2015-08-04T10:01:33+00:00

Milan- wrote:
insane
-uh i dont really see the need to use a low SL tbh. A normal sl makes everything a bit more readable Changed to 6 o.o
-00:02:056 (6,7) - try ctrl g to this rhythm so the downbeat is clickable and fits the music better, Not changing for consistency's sake. The downbeat on the previous one is not clickable either.
-00:08:306 (4,5,6) - triple doesnt sound really well cuz (5) isnt mapping something in concrete. Try using a 1/2 slider instead or just 2 circles. There is clearly a beat there. It also alternates the vocal's volume dramatically on this beat so I have to map it.
-00:32:235 (3,4) - would be better if you use constant distance here aswell. Done.
-00:49:914 (3,4,5) - flow here is pretty sharp due to the shape of (4) and the suddenly back&forth you do there The flow is intended to be sharp. Readjusted a tad bit though.
-01:08:664 (7) - i'd make it a 1/2 slider cuz it's ending the section and also cuz it feels so empty right It feels indeed empty, used reverse 1/4 slider because a beat ends on the blue tick.
-01:23:485 (12,1,2,3) - sharp flow.. It feels not so good cuz the fact you're forcing slider leniency in a bad way. You make a horizontal moviment between 01:22:949 (10,11,12) - to suddenly stop and go back to a sharp slider 01:23:664 (1) - that leads towards a spaced triple. It happens a lot on the map. like here 01:28:485 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - you change directions too drastically making the jump towards (6) feel overdone and not so good to play. You can do them more smoother by placing the object on not so sharp positions, that is why some people just overuse triangles cuz they dont have sharp movements and are easy to do. Try to think in better ways to do these kind of patterns and the overall will improve considerably. 01:34:378 (4,5,6,7,1) - this is cool. Good point for this one. Readjusted quite a lot. (Also had to move other things around). The flow is intended to be sharp in other places because of the song's nature. Sadly it's not your typical anime-cute-voice-screaming-grill opening or anything.
-01:40:806 (1,2,3,4) - you should do this pattern with (4) included if piano is what you're mapping there. I don't really understand what you mean. I am mainly mapping the vocals, but I am using the piano's different note to make the jump from 3 to 4.
-01:42:056 (4,1) - 3/4 gap comes out of nowhere and isnt intuitive to play. Add a note at 01:42:414 - if you want to keep the sliders and make it play right. Oh wow what happened to that slider o.o I had it 1/1. Nice catch.
-01:43:306 (3) - feels better if it were a 1/2 slider due to the nature of music as you can clearly hear the pause at 01:42:949 (2) - but then speed up on (3). Used a reverse slider to also map a beat on the red tick.
-02:01:164 - 02:00:985 - you should really consider to map those spots. I see you want to make the transition to the battery there but it plays not-so-well, and weirdly when you decide to map 02:02:056 (4) - . You basically are contradicting yourself there. Hai hai.
-02:14:378 (10,11) - because you cant see (11) approach circle, you'll always think it'll be a 1/4 gap but it isnt. you should put it somewhere more readable. even stacking under (10) tail is better. Hella loads of testplays proved otherwise. It is quite readable.
-01:37:592 (8) - this should be in 1/3 There was supposed to be a 0.76SV point there to make it 1/3. Good catch.

light insane
-patterns like 01:02:235 (3,4,5,6,7,1) - will be a lot more playable if sl wasnt as low as it is right now.
-00:14:735 (7) - better as 1/2. cuz the speed up after a pause Done.
-00:36:164 (4) - move it closer to 00:36:342 (5) - so, spacing makes sense to the rhythm. 00:41:878 (4,5) - similar 00:42:414 (6,1) - and pretty much all of them. 00:02:949 (3,4,1) - this plays ok cuz spacing represent the rhythm. You cant say "but uh AR is ok", you should be able to map it accordly to the music and not to how fast the circles are displayed. I wanted to change this from the beginning but I just needed some motivation to do so :3
-00:40:628 (5,1) - movement is kinda sharp here. if you move (1) to like x269y55 or something, it'll feel much better. It is sharp, indeed. Also (269,55) not only kills the DS consistency for this pattern, but also make some other really bad overlaps.
-00:48:306 (10,11,1,2) - changing distance on a horizontal way doesnt really feel good. Try using vertical movements between 1 and 2 Very minor and I also find it to be playing quite nicely. Will ask around about it though and might change.
-01:17:949 - there's a new rhythm beginning here. you could add another spinner from this point to compensate it I like it, spinners have the same duration as well.

hard
-01:03:485 (1) - sliders which modifed artificially the speed arent allowed.
-01:34:021 (2) - this should end at 01:34:378 - . cuz it's a stronger beat that where it ends right now.
-Uhm the problem with this diff is that, there's no real concept behind. Sometimes you map it like a Normal, sometimes like a hard and sometimes you do patterns that are just seen in insane.
-What i really recommend you is to do a clean-up or remap of this. And make it more... like a hard is. Keep using 1 distance snap for the whole map (probably 1.4 is the best for this sv) some little jumps time to time are ok. But changing distance constantly ends being hard to play and mostly weird overall. There are some section right now that are pure 1/1, which shouldnt really happens, you miss a lot of beats and make the whole map unbalance cuz some other parts use a lot of 1/2 constantly. I suggest you to not use 3/4 sliders at all, some may be fitting like 02:22:592 (1,2) - but others like 00:16:878 (1,2) - makes the map just hard to play for nothing. Also patterns like 00:35:449 (2,3,1,2) - are totally unpleasant to play and even unreadable at this level.
Off for remap then. I figured it would be about time.

normal
-00:41:878 (3,1) - extremely hard to read for your easiest diff. Dont do it. Try to play like a newbie would do, overlaps are hard overall at this level, and if you mix them with stacks even harder. I agree, changed.
-00:47:592 (3,4,5) - flow is weird cuz you go back and forth with a hard to read rhythm. Changed.
-00:53:306 (3,4) - i really suggest you to avoid this stack. I'd be ok if it were a 1/1 or 2/1, but 3/2 is hard. Yup yup, changed.
-01:35:092 (1,2,3) - also really hard for your easiest diff. similar to before Changed

there's no much point on modding the highest diff. Others modders already gave similar thoughts to mine.Ay

gl hf

muhahahahe

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muhahahahe 2015-08-06T05:02:42+00:00

oh pls, what have u done?
i really really really liked the old hard version

now its completely different from before
in my opinion it was really good mapped
why u remapped it?

makes me sad

Exa

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Topic Starter

Exa 2015-08-06T10:18:13+00:00

muhahahahe wrote:
oh pls, what have u done?
i really really really liked the old hard version

now its completely different from before
in my opinion it was really good mapped
why u remapped it?

makes me sad

New hard will be way much better than the old one. I can assure you that.

Dinoswarleafs

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Joined April 2013

Dinoswarleafs 2015-08-06T20:33:00+00:00

I play this map too much.
Love Noz's difficult

Reyvateil

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Joined June 2013

Reyvateil 2015-08-11T15:41:10+00:00

Powerpuff Grills diff:

Exa wrote:
For the Powerpuff Grills difficulty:

00:58:128 (2,2,1,1,2,1,2,3,1,2) - Since many people are mentioning these, I would like to explain why they work here.

00:57:949 (1,2,1) - The core of their efficiency lies within these 3 hitobjects. The transition 00:57:949 (1,2) - from the note to the slider proposes a fully linear cursor movement, which works with the transition 00:58:128 (2,1) - here to ensure a perfect back-and-forth flow.
00:58:128 (2,1) - When the player first taps on the slider, he will - of course - not know how to treat it. No matter how late or early he releases his finger, the cursor should not have moved much because it's a really small jump to make between these 2 hitobjects. Therefore, this slider is ensured to play well, and when that happens, the player should have learned the nature of it and use that knowledge to complete the other similar sliders.

In theory it should be like this, but not knowing what to do is only in the case you are reacting to this AR, at the same time the AR is high enough that it's hard to identify the object as an slider at first. And when you think you got it, 01:00:271 (1,2) happens and you're thrown off again, this is followed by 01:01:164 (2) which is longer than the others and the next short sliders are 01:03:128 (1,2), a corner to corner jump...

What happens is that at first's really hard to tell these are sliders using full circle skins until you click them and see the followcircle appearing, at this point you're already preparing to move to the next object that already have appeared on the screen by this time resulting in 100's in the sliders even if you get 300's in the following notes.

There is also no NC pattern here to aid if you want to keep the sliders as they are.

I'm not saying the sliders here do not fit the song, just that they are too hard to read. Making these more noticeable would helps a lot, be it by making they slightly longer or changing the NCs to the sliders through the whole section.

00:39:556 (1,2,3,4) - Move NC from 1 to 2, makes the speed change more evident.

00:47:235 (1,2,1) - There are some of these in the map. I don't know how you are supposed to play these at first, I tried single tapping three times but slider broke, in a second try I figured it's easier by alternating/mashing and it works fine. Maybe stacking these more neatly would help or in a line with a spacing similar to 01:33:485 (2,3,4).

02:29:378 (1,2,3,4) - Too few objects to achieve a good effect of "expanding", just looks like random placed circles at a quick glance, a regular spacing like the whole previous section during the Kiai Time might have a better visual effect.

fartownik

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Joined December 2008

fartownik 2015-08-12T08:04:05+00:00

Mikakage wrote:
00:39:556 (1,2,3,4) - Move NC from 1 to 2, makes the speed change more evident. done

00:47:235 (1,2,1) - There are some of these in the map. I don't know how you are supposed to play these at first, I tried single tapping three times but slider broke, in a second try I figured it's easier by alternating/mashing and it works fine. Maybe stacking these more neatly would help or in a line with a spacing similar to 01:33:485 (2,3,4). they play, look and sound fine

02:29:378 (1,2,3,4) - Too few objects to achieve a good effect of "expanding", just looks like random placed circles at a quick glance, a regular spacing like the whole previous section during the Kiai Time might have a better visual effect. i dont care about the visuals in this part really, it expands for the whole part of the song

blooming tea

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Joined August 2014

blooming tea 2015-08-12T14:58:12+00:00

♥

Natsu

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Joined September 2012

Natsu 2015-08-14T08:17:05+00:00

SPOILER

Hi

Powerpuff Grills:

diff name, is related to the song or? well anyways seems fun LOL
00:03:128 (1,2,3) - probably 1/4 sliders fit better here, hold sounds see to be extended to blue tick somehow, same with other similars
00:06:164 - some reason to ignores this? since I think its mapeable
00:17:771 (2,1) - people will think that this 1/2 jump
00:38:306 - add something here, kinda weird taking in mind that the sound its really prominent
00:43:128 - 00:43:485 - you should map these beats, since are more prominent than the blue ticks (I can't hear nothing at blue tbh) and yeah I'm still of those people that feel that the song rhythm should be respected, same happen here 00:44:378 (1) - in other places of the map.
00:47:592 (1) - maybe you can consider to move that circle a bit, to make it more noticeable? since sliders almost cover it and considering its an 1/8 pattern I think people will have problems with it, btw also I don't see the need of the NC there
00:55:806 (1) - NC isn't needed, same here 00:56:878 (1) - 00:57:771 (1) - etc
00:58:128 (2) - 00:59:735 (1) - lets be honest lol, this is too much, they don't even looks like sliders and I don't think someone will agree with this, you can archivie a similar effect just by using another slider speed that don't make them looks like stacked circles, also take in mind you can't see slider ticks and your others 1/8 slider was a fast ones, so tell me how is people supposed to read them? and no ¨people did test play and was fine¨ isn't an excuse imo, just use the same as 01:09:378 (1,2) -
01:18:306 (1,1) - music is 1/2 still you using 3/4 sliders
01:35:806 (1,2) - atleast increase the spacing gradually, not really a fan of sudden 1/4 jumps
02:08:842 (4) - NC can be a nice idea here
similar stuff apply to the rest of the diff, but doesn't make sense to point them 1 by 1

Noz's Extra:

00:05:092 (1,2) - eh just use a 1/2 sliders, by using 1/4 here you are just killing the nice rhythm of 00:04:735 (1,2) -
00:23:664 (5) - eh I think its a good idea to add a NC here, accordint to the music and
00:33:664 (5) - music just stop here, that slider makes 0 sense to me >;
00:34:378 (1,2,3) - add whistle on every circle
00:51:878 (5) - same as above, also remove whistle from slider body
00:56:789 (1,2) - swap NC, your current one doesn't make sense with the music, if you are following instruments with your comboing then 00:56:878 - its the correct place, if you are following that vocals then the place should be in 00:56:699 - but not in blue
01:43:664 (1,1) - slider-slide sounds so bad imo.
02:17:503 (5,6,7,8,9,1) - is the spacing here a mistake?
02:22:860 (5,6) - why? atleast make them overlap a bit

Insane:

00:05:271 (3,4) - its the first time that you introduce 1/4 jumps, use less spacing pls
00:11:699 (3,4) - this doesn't play nice for an insane diff, people will have alot of troubles in first play, or atleast add NC here 00:11:878 (4) -
00:12:592 (1,2) - yeah I was thinking this was a 1/2 spacing, but no. try to be more consistent with spacing and make things readables
00:17:592 (10) - music is 1/2 (really prominent sound tbh) still you mapping a 3/4 slider that doesn't fit the song
00:33:664 (7) - music just stop here. make more sense to have a slider in 00:34:021 -
00:36:164 (4,5) - why? spacing is hard to follow, but 4 isn't following the music either, since there isn't nothing in the music in the tail. Same here 00:41:878 (4) - etc.
00:44:735 (1,2,3) - similar spacing for different timeline gaps isn't nice at all. Specially cuz this is just an Insane diff
00:48:306 (1,2,3) - ^ etc in general I think you need to work alot with spacing in this diff, is really hard to read, personally I have more problems playing this than playing Noz's Extra
00:59:556 (7,8,9) - similar as other cases same spacing for different gaps, when you do 1/1 gaps use a massive spacing or make an antijump that is noticeable and don't break player combos
01:09:378 - u don't need this green line
01:40:806 (1,2,3,4) - ye this kind of patterns are the main issue in this diff
01:54:735 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - I barely hear hitsounds here, add up volume a bit
02:14:378 (10,11) - approach circle of 11 is hidden by the slider body 10

Light Insane:

00:11:164 (1,2,3) - ugly overlaps tbh
00:33:664 (6) - same as insane diff
00:44:735 (1,2) - light insane, but you still use the same 1/4 hard to read patterns, I'm sure you can avoid those things atleast in this diff
01:25:092 (4,5,6) - use more spacing between 4 and 5 so it don't look the same as 5 and 6, since are different gaps in timeline
01:35:806 (1,2,3) - why? idk I think you should work alot with spacing in both insane diffs, this isn't ok you know
01:54:735 - same as insane diff

Hard:

01:09:378 - same as insane diff
actually this is a really cool diff, but add some triplets atleast, I'm a bit unsure of the spread with lightinsane (that is using alot of 1/4s)

Normal:

OD 4
00:34:021 (1) - too soon after a spinner
01:20:806 (1) - ^
diff is fine, but mostly mapped 1/1, try to add some more 1/2, anyways this happen always in mapsets without easy diff >:

Anyways GL with this

nvm not getting kd for this

Last edited by Natsu 2015-08-16T16:18:04+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Exa

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Topic Starter

Exa 2015-08-14T12:19:00+00:00

Natsu wrote:
Hi
Insane:

00:05:271 (3,4) - its the first time that you introduce 1/4 jumps, use less spacing pls Fair enough, done.
00:11:699 (3,4) - this doesn't play nice for an insane diff, people will have alot of troubles in first play, or atleast add NC here 00:11:878 (4) - I dought it will make any problems, the pattern is pretty self-explanatory. Added NC though.
00:12:592 (1,2) - yeah I was thinking this was a 1/2 spacing, but no. try to be more consistent with spacing and make things readables I detect no problems here; both the AR and the spacing after the first slider work towards the best reading of this.
00:17:592 (10) - music is 1/2 (really prominent sound tbh) still you mapping a 3/4 slider that doesn't fit the song I understand there is a beat on the red tick, but that is for the whole of this song. Besides, the sound that I am mapping ends on the blue tick.
00:33:664 (7) - music just stop here. make more sense to have a slider in 00:34:021 - Music does not stop, there is a water flowing affect on this slider.
00:36:164 (4,5) - why? spacing is hard to follow, but 4 isn't following the music either, since there isn't nothing in the music in the tail. Same here 00:41:878 (4) - etc. The vocalic beat that starts on the slider's head, ends on the slider's tail (this is the purpose of sliders, lel) also, I made sure the player does not give too much attention to where the slider ends by using slightly higher spacing towards the next hitobjects, this proposes fast cursor movement and more pressure on the triplet
00:44:735 (1,2,3) - similar spacing for different timeline gaps isn't nice at all. Specially cuz this is just an Insane diff The jump is intended here, but I feel guilty because of how difficult this might be, so I changed it.
00:48:306 (1,2,3) - ^ etc in general I think you need to work alot with spacing in this diff, is really hard to read, personally I have more problems playing this than playing Noz's Extra | Changed the indicated pattern's spacing. "Make spacing better" is not really helpful though :3
00:59:556 (7,8,9) - similar as other cases same spacing for different gaps, when you do 1/1 gaps use a massive spacing or make an antijump that is noticeable and don't break player combos Creating slow cursor movement here because tension. I did change the combos tho.
01:09:378 - u don't need this green line Oh wow.
01:40:806 (1,2,3,4) - ye this kind of patterns are the main issue in this diff Changed a bit but the song has very strong alternations between different levels of tension, keeping the DS same for 1/1 rhythms, same for 1/2 and so on would be not only pointless, but would also take a way the fun of this diff. Please use valid explanations and explain why you think this spacing doesn't work (If you honestly think it doesn't)
01:54:735 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - I barely hear hitsounds here, add up volume a bit People have said it's fine as it is, I changed it by increasing it by 10.
02:14:378 (10,11) - approach circle of 11 is hidden by the slider body 10 Same pattern exists in many other maps, also the set will be judges using default skin and the transparency of the slider's body is enough so the approach circle is quite visible.

Light Insane:

00:11:164 (1,2,3) - ugly overlaps tbh Changed so it doesn't overlap.
00:33:664 (6) - same as insane diff Same as insane diff.
00:44:735 (1,2) - light insane, but you still use the same 1/4 hard to read patterns, I'm sure you can avoid those things atleast in this diff It is -in no way- the same pattern as in insane diff, nor the same rhythm now that I changed it there. It is extremely easy to read because of the use of a a 1/4 slider and the spacing (it is to be treated just like a note after all. I will change it though if I get more negative opinions after asking around.
01:25:092 (4,5,6) - use more spacing between 4 and 5 so it don't look the same as 5 and 6, since are different gaps in timeline Makes sense, changed. Changed the rhythm and pattern Different spacing proposes different cursor movement, this is how everyone treats the little thing called tension. As far as I have understood, you are proposing to keep the DS steady for every time gap and/or maybe change it by 5-10% in SOME instances. If these are the only patterns you could find with false spacing, then they are fixed, if not, then this mod clearly lacks stuff (just like most of the other mod) I do understand why this pattern is not cool though, so that's that.
01:35:806 (1,2,3) - why? idk I think you should work alot with spacing in both insane diffs, this isn't ok you know
01:54:735 - same as insane diff Same as insane diff.
Hard:

01:09:378 - same as insane diff Same as insane diff
actually this is a really cool diff, but add some triplets atleast, I'm a bit unsure of the spread with lightinsane (that is using alot of 1/4s) Ay, I am proposing more rhythms while the SR is going up.

Normal:

OD 4 Ok...
00:34:021 (1) - too soon after a spinner Fixed.
01:20:806 (1) - ^ ^
diff is fine, but mostly mapped 1/1, try to add some more 1/2, anyways this happen always in mapsets without easy diff >: | Ikr? Adding an easy diff will result in skipping 100 out of 153 songs in this so that would not be nice :<

Anyways GL with this Aye

Natsu

8,074 posts

Joined September 2012

Natsu 2015-08-14T12:42:21+00:00

Exa wrote:
If these are the only patterns you could find with false spacing, then they are fixed, if not, then this mod clearly lacks stuff (just like most of the other mod)

well pointing every instance where the issue happen isn't my style, since should be common sense to apply it to other similar spots.
¨his mod clearly lacks stuff (just like most of the other mod)¨, by saying that you are disregarding most of modders in this thread, and I think you personally did ask they to take a look at your map, so be grateful with people that take their time to bring suggestions to your map, also take in mind that when multiple modders point the same thing, they are usually right.
Anyways Good Luck with this~

Exa

445 posts

Joined January 2015

Topic Starter

Exa 2015-08-14T19:11:24+00:00

Natsu wrote:
Exa wrote:
If these are the only patterns you could find with false spacing, then they are fixed, if not, then this mod clearly lacks stuff (just like most of the other mod)
well pointing every instance where the issue happen isn't my style, since should be common sense to apply it to other similar spots.
¨his mod clearly lacks stuff (just like most of the other mod)¨, by saying that you are disregarding most of modders in this thread, and I think you personally did ask they to take a look at your map, so be grateful with people that take their time to bring suggestions to your map, also take in mind that when multiple modders point the same thing, they are usually right.
Anyways Good Luck with this~

I am in no way disrespecting the any mod of anyone, I am simply implying that there are issues that people could have pointed out, but didn't. I am not talking about people who CAN NOT point out more stuff, I am talking about people who have far more experience. Furthermore, pointing out everything that one sees wrong is the point of modding. Your common sense with and experience (that doubles or triples mine) is clearly not that same mine. "It isn't my style" a good enough excuse to why you didn't point out all that stuff in the first place. And yes, I did personally ask almost everyone here to take a look at the respective mapset because I believed that he/she could contribute in making it better. I was not disappointed by any of the mods that happened because they were all helpful, even at some degree.

Please do not continue said drama and don't take minor stuff like that too personally; I have nothing against you or anyone who modded before you I am just irritated from the fact those who say this could be a bit better, do not fully explain their statement.

If you have anything you might want to tell me, I am politely asking you to do so in-game.

Kelpo Flakey

448 posts

Joined May 2014

Kelpo Flakey 2015-08-14T23:43:41+00:00

Great map

fartownik

2,189 posts

Joined December 2008

fartownik 2015-08-16T09:55:57+00:00

Natsu wrote:
Hi

Powerpuff Grills:

diff name, is related to the song or? well anyways seems fun LOL
00:03:128 (1,2,3) - probably 1/4 sliders fit better here, hold sounds see to be extended to blue tick somehow, same with other similars - not really
00:06:164 - some reason to ignores this? since I think its mapeable - just my variation of the rhythm
00:17:771 (2,1) - people will think that this 1/2 jump - what
00:38:306 - add something here, kinda weird taking in mind that the sound its really prominent - it's fine as it is, the sound is emphasized more than properly
00:43:128 - 00:43:485 - you should map these beats, since are more prominent than the blue ticks (I can't hear nothing at blue tbh) and yeah I'm still of those people that feel that the song rhythm should be respected, same happen here 00:44:378 (1) - in other places of the map.- what in the world are you talking about
00:47:592 (1) - maybe you can consider to move that circle a bit, to make it more noticeable? since sliders almost cover it and considering its an 1/8 pattern I think people will have problems with it, btw also I don't see the need of the NC there - it plays fine
00:55:806 (1) - NC isn't needed, same here 00:56:878 (1) - 00:57:771 (1) - etc - reworked some combos in the map (in the fast slider parts)
00:58:128 (2) - 00:59:735 (1) - lets be honest lol, this is too much, they don't even looks like sliders and I don't think someone will agree with this, you can archivie a similar effect just by using another slider speed that don't make them looks like stacked circles, also take in mind you can't see slider ticks and your others 1/8 slider was a fast ones, so tell me how is people supposed to read them? and no ¨people did test play and was fine¨ isn't an excuse imo, just use the same as 01:09:378 (1,2) - lets be honest lol, why the fuck top players playtesting this map and playing it just fine isn't an 'excuse'? If you explain that to me maybe I will consider changing this part. Also if YOU agreed with it then you would have someone agreeing to it, there we go, problem solved. You also seem to have completely no idea what these sliders are intended to emphasize suggesting the change to 0,5x.
01:18:306 (1,1) - music is 1/2 still you using 3/4 sliders - do you really not hear the beats on other ticks? you should invest in some better headphones.
01:35:806 (1,2) - atleast increase the spacing gradually, not really a fan of sudden 1/4 jumps. - Fixed.
02:08:842 (4) - NC can be a nice idea here - It doesn't make sense since the sounds on the triples are the same as the sounds on the jumps. It would make sense on (6), but that's not really needed.
similar stuff apply to the rest of the diff, but doesn't make sense to point them 1 by 1

http://puu.sh/jDrvq/7ba720c497.osu

Snaggletooth

491 posts

Joined November 2012

Snaggletooth 2015-08-16T17:08:47+00:00

Requested last-minute mod.
Time to pick this bitch apart.

I'm very sorry that it took me this long. I'm also sorry
I didn't manage to mod this prior to Natsu. ><

Only modding your remapped diffs as requested.

Disable Widescreen Support on all diffs since no SB is in use.

[Normal]

Rhythmical Issues:
1. 00:37:056 (4,5) - This rhythm was quite weird while playing. For one, you have
  quite a loud snare on 00:37:235 with a slider-release, which takes away the 'power'
  behind it imo, also the beeping-sound on 00:37:414 stands out to me as well,
  as it is the only thing playing here. I would suggest this rhythm:
  
  Timeline
2. 00:42:949 (1) - The progression with the voice-pitch that you wanted to empathize
  does start where the slider currently starts, but the 3/2 gap inbetween breaks the
  flow. When you put ontop of that the fact, that you have a quite loud and prevelant
  sound on 00:42:771 then the player tends to hit the slider (1) too early causing
  unnecessary 100/50/miss.
3. 01:06:342 (1) - This ones a bit tricky to hit. Generally, red ticks on normals
  are at least imo hard to get correctly mapped and considering that this is still
  the easiest diff of this set, well.. Besides that, the streching synth that you wanted to
  empathize with this begins on 01:06:521 - with the second kick. This is also why
  this sounds so off while playing. I suggest this diffrent rhythm, as it would catch all
  those quite heavy sound while ensuring a lenient play to keep it easy.
  
  Timeline
4. 01:28:485 (1) - ^ // This one's quite similar to the one above. Is there a
  particular reason why you chose to do this slider longer than 00:42:949 (1) - ? This
  seems quite inconsisten right ontop of not being rhythmically correct.
Placement Issues:
1. 01:01:878 (3,5) - I really really really dislike the overlap here. I'm afraid
  a new player would stop holding slider(3) in the middle and 'panic' because suddenly
  theres slider (5) in the middle of the path and resort to clicking it early, resulting
  in useless and unecessary 100/50/miss. Please consider redoing this pattern to avoid the
  overlap.
  Pattern + Code
```
316,316,61878,2,0,P|232:358|148:300,1,200,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
236,264,62949,1,2,0:0:0:0:
320,216,63306,2,0,P|300:192|268:176,1,50,2|4,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
```
Cosmetical Issues:
1. 00:20:806 (6) - NC here to keep the combo short.
2. 02:28:664 (1,2) - Swap NC here. the new section of the song
  starts on 02:29:378 - and not on 02:28:664 - inb4 pattern: that excuse is
  invalid.

[Hard]

Rhythmical Issues:
1. 00:14:021 (5,6) - please consider changing the rhythm to something
  that catches the sounds on 00:14:199 and 00:14:914 without having them
  on slider-ends.
2. 00:20:628 - Consider adding a circle here. The sound here is much louder than
  on 00:20:271 + leaving a blank here causes the whole thing to stop and lose
  flow. It plays quite awkwardly. I suggest you add a circle on 00:20:628 and place
  it to x:72 y:260. this will help accentuate the sounds a bit and the slight
  jump to the next object will highlight/differenciate the next measure better.
Placement Issues:
1. 00:44:378 (5,1) - If you have an Anti-Jump here (Which I don't really like,
  personally) why not make it consistent with 00:45:806 (4,5) - 00:41:521 (3,4) -
2. 00:52:949 (3,4) - ^
3. 00:55:092 (1,2) - ^
4. 00:55:806 (1,2,3,4) - God damn it, please pick one and stick with it.
5. 01:08:664 (5,6) - ^ // Please check your stacks yourself from this point on.
Cosmetical Issues:
1. 00:12:235 (8,1) - swap NC since the measure/section begins on 00:12:235
2. 00:19:379 (6) - NC here to grant HP boost, considering that this is quite a long
  stream.
3. 00:35:092 (5) - Add NC here, considering that Kiai/next Measure starts on this spot.
  Also, remove NC on 00:36:164 (1) - .
4. 00:37:056 (6) - Eh, not sure but I'd add NC. Simply to keep the numbers down a bit.

[Light Insane]

Rhythmical Issues:
1. 00:06:164 (1) - I get that you wanted to empathize that 'bird'-sound that is
  streching a bit after the red tick BUT you have a new 'section' on 00:06:521 and starting
  that on a sliderende is a really bad Idea. All together, the pattern 00:06:164 (1,2,3) - dosn't
  flow a bit considering the the reverse and then awkward change in angles.
  Pattern+Timeline+Code
```
312,280,6164,2,0,P|260:288|224:276,1,75
176,200,6521,5,0,0:0:0:0:
249,125,6699,1,0,0:0:0:0:
100,276,6878,2,0,P|92:312|100:356,1,75
```
2. 00:08:842 - for the love of god, please add a circle here. Theres clearly a sound on this
  spot. The 1/1 breaks makes everything confusing and weird to play. There
  should also be a tripplet on 00:09:199 as well to keep flow.
  
  Timeline
3. 00:14:556 - ^
4. 00:11:164 (1,2,3) - I tried but I really don't understand why you'd use
  such an abstract rhythm instead of a stream to highlight the calypso.
  
  Timeline
  Pattern + Code
```
160,64,11164,5,0,0:0:0:0:
48,124,11342,1,0,0:0:0:0:
152,188,11521,1,0,0:0:0:0:
156,216,11610,1,0,0:0:0:0:
172,236,11699,1,0,0:0:0:0:
196,248,11789,1,0,0:0:0:0:
224,248,11878,5,0,0:0:0:0:
200,280,11967,1,0,0:0:0:0:
164,300,12056,1,0,0:0:0:0:
124,296,12146,1,0,0:0:0:0:
84,284,12235,6,0,P|47:291|10:295,1,75,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
224,352,12592,2,0,P|260:357|296:365,1,75,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
```
5. 00:16:521 - Why no simple 5-circled stream for the little dolphin?
6. 00:20:449 (1) - This should really be cklickable. You have two very short and
  more or less 'outstanding' sounds so drowning those in a slider is really non-benefitial.
  If you'd use two hitcircles instead with a small jump in-between them, you'd get
  a much nicer finish to lead into the next measure. Also, swap NC 00:20:449 (1,2) - on
  these.
7. You can very easily add circles on 00:50:271 . This
  would dissolve the very awkward 1/1 break here. It would also fit the song
  nice seeing as this point in time has quite loud sounds. With that note,
  Id also suggest a stack between 00:50:628 (7,8) - or swapping
  NC on 00:50:985 (8,1) - to make it more readable.
8. 01:17:949 (1) - Could you please shorten the spinner here to 01:20:449 ?
  This would do two things. It would for one give the player more reaction-time
  to hit the next object easier, but it would also let the spinner end on the snapping-
  sound instead of nothing, meaning that the beat-value of the spinner wouldn't be lost.
9. 01:22:592 - Can you add a circle here? It would fit with the Synth in the background.
  This would help with the flow and absolve the rather unfitting 1/1 break.
10. 01:28:306 - ^
11. 01:22:949 (2) - Consider shortening this slider to 01:23:128 . Right now
  it dosn't hit any beats on the blue tick, the only purpose of it is to stress the play
  a bit while ignoring the rhythm underneath it.
12. 01:57:949 (6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - What in the world are you trying to
  achieve with this? Not only can I not grasp what you were trying in edit-mode,
  but any player playing this the first time wont get it either and miss a lot of these,
  resulting in unnecessary fails/50/100. The Stacks arent even marked properly
  with fitting NC. I highly, highly suggest you add circles on 01:58:128 01:58:842
  01:59:556 01:59:914 and create a slight and small jump-pattern with these.
13. 02:29:914 - add a circle here are you can clearly hear the sound of the harp on
  this point. The 1/1 gap is really inconsistent with the following part. This makes it highly
  confusing and awkward while playing.
Placement Issues:
1. 00:41:521 (3,4) - If you're gonna use an Anti-Jump, please make it more
  readable by using NC on 00:41:878 (4) - . BUT I'd much rather see these two stacked as
  it would form a nice consistency with hard, seeing as it has similar anti-jumps on similar
  positions. Same goes for 00:42:414 (6,1) -
2. 01:21:521 (3,4) - Please make this Anti-jump more readable through NC or
  stacking, as it right now has the same distance as 01:21:164 (2,3) - . It's simply
  deceptive and not fun to play.
3. 01:35:807 (1,2) - ^
4. 02:06:521 (1,2) - ^
5. 02:11:521 (6,7) - ^
6. 02:21:878 (3) - ^ // NC here please to fix this issue
7. 01:25:806 (6,7,1) - Please equalize the spacing between these objects.
  This would make it easier to read + there is no real apparent reason why the
  spacing should drastically change at this point.
Cosmetical Issues:
1. 00:07:949 (6) - NC here please for the new measure in time.

[Insane]

Placement Issues:
1. 00:59:735 (8,1) - Can you stack these? It would keep consistency with 00:57:592 (5,1,2,1) -
2. 01:27:592 (4) - Consider moving this one to x:416 y:312 to make the spacing
  bigger in order to prevent comfusion through the anti-jump. Or generally increase the spacing/
  stack.
3. 01:58:128 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - I do understand what you were trying to do here.
  Flow-Jumps that still manage to highlight the repeating rhythm while differencing it.
  Theres a better way to do it tho to maintain more flow.
  Code
```
440,248,117949,1,4,0:0:0:0:
416,152,118128,5,0,0:0:0:0:
352,221,118306,2,0,P|322:236|263:223,1,90
328,136,118664,1,4,0:0:0:0:
440,248,118842,5,0,0:0:0:0:
352,221,119021,2,0,P|320:210|287:159,1,90
416,152,119378,1,4,0:0:0:0:
352,220,119556,5,0,0:0:0:0:
328,136,119735,2,0,P|339:104|390:72,1,90
488,88,120092,1,4,0:0:0:0:
496,200,120271,1,0,0:0:0:0:
359,226,120449,1,0,0:0:0:0:
359,226,120806,5,8,0:0:0:0:
```
4. 02:14:914 (11) - I dunno man, the spacing here indicates a double more
  than a 1/2 rhythm. Consider moving it to x:24 y:160 to make it more readable.
5. 02:22:056 (6,7) - Please make this anti-Jump more readable by stacking
  or using NC. Altho I highly suggest a stack to keep it consistent with 02:21:521 (4,5) -
Cosmetical Issues:
1. 00:37:235 (9) - NC here to keep consistency
Nazi:
1. 02:39:021 (1) - Move it to x:80 y:36 to make the line perfectly straight 02:37:949 (2,1,1) -

Exa

445 posts

Joined January 2015

Topic Starter

Exa 2015-08-16T22:04:43+00:00

Snaggletooth wrote:
Requested last-minute mod.
Time to pick this bitch apart.

I'm very sorry that it took me this long. I'm also sorry
I didn't manage to mod this prior to Natsu. ><

Only modding your remapped diffs as requested.

Disable Widescreen Support on all diffs since no SB is in use.

[Normal]
Rhythmical Issues:
00:37:056 (4,5) - This rhythm was quite weird while playing. For one, you have
quite a loud snare on 00:37:235 with a slider-release, which takes away the 'power'
behind it imo, also the beeping-sound on 00:37:414 stands out to me as well,
as it is the only thing playing here. I would suggest this rhythm: Didn't use the suggested rhythm, but I changed the current one.

Timeline

00:42:949 (1) - The progression with the voice-pitch that you wanted to empathize
does start where the slider currently starts, but the 3/2 gap inbetween breaks the
flow. When you put ontop of that the fact, that you have a quite loud and prevelant
sound on 00:42:771 then the player tends to hit the slider (1) too early causing
unnecessary 100/50/miss. BN scolded me for starting at the red :<
01:06:342 (1) - This ones a bit tricky to hit. Generally, red ticks on normals
are at least imo hard to get correctly mapped and considering that this is still
the easiest diff of this set, well.. Besides that, the streching synth that you wanted to
empathize with this begins on 01:06:521 - with the second kick. This is also why
this sounds so off while playing. I suggest this diffrent rhythm, as it would catch all
those quite heavy sound while ensuring a lenient play to keep it easy. Changed :3

Timeline
01:28:485 (1) - ^ // This one's quite similar to the one above. Is there a
particular reason why you chose to do this slider longer than 00:42:949 (1) - ? This
seems quite inconsisten right ontop of not being rhythmically correct. Ay, changed like the previous one
Placement Issues:
01:01:878 (3,5) - I really really really dislike the overlap here. I'm afraid
a new player would stop holding slider(3) in the middle and 'panic' because suddenly
theres slider (5) in the middle of the path and resort to clicking it early, resulting
in useless and unecessary 100/50/miss. Please consider redoing this pattern to avoid the
overlap. This one is fine, the slider overlapping does not appear before the player has actually reached it's place. Besides, the sliderpatch of the first slider is pretty clear. Might change if someone else points it out.
Pattern + Code
316,316,61878,2,0,P|232:358|148:300,1,200,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
236,264,62949,1,2,0:0:0:0:
320,216,63306,2,0,P|300:192|268:176,1,50,2|4,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
Cosmetical Issues:
00:20:806 (6) - NC here to keep the combo short. Boop, nice catch.
02:28:664 (1,2) - Swap NC here. the new section of the song
starts on 02:29:378 - and not on 02:28:664 - inb4 pattern: that excuse is
invalid. Fair enough. (Would not give such an excuse :3)
[Hard]
Rhythmical Issues:
00:14:021 (5,6) - please consider changing the rhythm to something
that catches the sounds on 00:14:199 and 00:14:914 without having them
on slider-ends. Changed one of them.
00:20:628 - Consider adding a circle here. The sound here is much louder than
on 00:20:271 + leaving a blank here causes the whole thing to stop and lose
flow. It plays quite awkwardly. I suggest you add a circle on 00:20:628 and place
it to x:72 y:260. this will help accentuate the sounds a bit and the slight
jump to the next object will highlight/differenciate the next measure better. :3
Placement Issues:
00:44:378 (5,1) - If you have an Anti-Jump here (Which I don't really like,
personally) why not make it consistent with 00:45:806 (4,5) - 00:41:521 (3,4) - Theeere are antijumps there o.o (Just not the same)
00:52:949 (3,4) - ^
00:55:092 (1,2) - ^
00:55:806 (1,2,3,4) - God damn it, please pick one and stick with it. XD I am using them for variation dud
01:08:664 (5,6) - ^ // Please check your stacks yourself from this point on. I <3 my stacks
Cosmetical Issues:
00:12:235 (8,1) - swap NC since the measure/section begins on 00:12:235 Using the "vocals?" on the current NC as a reference, this should be fine.
00:19:379 (6) - NC here to grant HP boost, considering that this is quite a long
stream. Agreed! Why is this word on a new line? o.o
00:35:092 (5) - Add NC here, considering that Kiai/next Measure starts on this spot.
Also, remove NC on 00:36:164 (1) - . Done.
00:37:056 (6) - Eh, not sure but I'd add NC. Simply to keep the numbers down a bit. I would also like a NC there, so that's that.

[Light Insane]
Rhythmical Issues:
00:06:164 (1) - I get that you wanted to empathize that 'bird'-sound that is
streching a bit after the red tick BUT you have a new 'section' on 00:06:521 and starting
that on a sliderende is a really bad Idea. All together, the pattern 00:06:164 (1,2,3) - dosn't
flow a bit considering the the reverse and then awkward change in angles.
Pattern+Timeline+Code
312,280,6164,2,0,P|260:288|224:276,1,75
176,200,6521,5,0,0:0:0:0:
249,125,6699,1,0,0:0:0:0:
100,276,6878,2,0,P|92:312|100:356,1,75
I like your pattern better (code was a bit messed up but k :3)
00:08:842 - for the love of god, please add a circle here. Theres clearly a sound on this
spot. The 1/1 breaks makes everything confusing and weird to play. There
should also be a tripplet on 00:09:199 as well to keep flow. ok, ok jeez

Timeline
00:14:556 - ^ ^
00:11:164 (1,2,3) - I tried but I really don't understand why you'd use
such an abstract rhythm instead of a stream to highlight the calypso. Keeping mine since I not only have to add some extra 3/4 sliders, but also I like how it plays because I can highlight the beats better. (Also a stream would be too much)

Timeline
Pattern + Code
160,64,11164,5,0,0:0:0:0:
48,124,11342,1,0,0:0:0:0:
152,188,11521,1,0,0:0:0:0:
156,216,11610,1,0,0:0:0:0:
172,236,11699,1,0,0:0:0:0:
196,248,11789,1,0,0:0:0:0:
224,248,11878,5,0,0:0:0:0:
200,280,11967,1,0,0:0:0:0:
164,300,12056,1,0,0:0:0:0:
124,296,12146,1,0,0:0:0:0:
84,284,12235,6,0,P|47:291|10:295,1,75,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
224,352,12592,2,0,P|260:357|296:365,1,75,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
00:16:521 - Why no simple 5-circled stream for the little dolphin? I can't see why that would be better compared to what I have now.
00:20:449 (1) - This should really be cklickable. You have two very short and
more or less 'outstanding' sounds so drowning those in a slider is really non-benefitial.
If you'd use two hitcircles instead with a small jump in-between them, you'd get
a much nicer finish to lead into the next measure. Also, swap NC 00:20:449 (1,2) - on
these. This... is clickable.
You can very easily add circles on 00:50:271 . This
would dissolve the very awkward 1/1 break here. It would also fit the song
nice seeing as this point in time has quite loud sounds. With that note,
Id also suggest a stack between 00:50:628 (7,8) - or swapping
NC on 00:50:985 (8,1) - to make it more readable. Didn't change the rhythms since it created the intended cursor movement. I did, however add NCs at some places to improve readability.
01:17:949 (1) - Could you please shorten the spinner here to 01:20:449 ?
This would do two things. It would for one give the player more reaction-time
to hit the next object easier, but it would also let the spinner end on the snapping-
sound instead of nothing, meaning that the beat-value of the spinner wouldn't be lost. Nice catch, I intended to end it there initially, dunno what happened.
01:22:592 - Can you add a circle here? It would fit with the Synth in the background.
This would help with the flow and absolve the rather unfitting 1/1 break. It's not noticeable enough to be mapped on light insane. (There are other instances, where it is noticeable and I map it)
01:28:306 - ^ ^
01:22:949 (2) - Consider shortening this slider to 01:23:128 . Right now
it dosn't hit any beats on the blue tick, the only purpose of it is to stress the play
a bit while ignoring the rhythm underneath it.
01:57:949 (6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - What in the world are you trying to
achieve with this? Not only can I not grasp what you were trying in edit-mode,
but any player playing this the first time wont get it either and miss a lot of these,
resulting in unnecessary fails/50/100. The Stacks arent even marked properly
with fitting NC. I highly, highly suggest you add circles on 01:58:128 01:58:842
01:59:556 01:59:914 and create a slight and small jump-pattern with these. I figured it would be pretty clear that I am following simple major beats here. Changed around NCs a bit.
02:29:914 - add a circle here are you can clearly hear the sound of the harp on
this point. The 1/1 gap is really inconsistent with the following part. This makes it highly
confusing and awkward while playing. Ay
Placement Issues:
00:41:521 (3,4) - If you're gonna use an Anti-Jump, please make it more
readable by using NC on 00:41:878 (4) - . BUT I'd much rather see these two stacked as
it would form a nice consistency with hard, seeing as it has similar anti-jumps on similar
positions. Same goes for 00:42:414 (6,1) - Changed NC, I don't want to stack them so I still have the cursor going when I create that snappy flow.
01:21:521 (3,4) - Please make this Anti-jump more readable through NC or
stacking, as it right now has the same distance as 01:21:164 (2,3) - . It's simply
deceptive and not fun to play. Doneeee
01:35:807 (1,2) - ^ ee
02:06:521 (1,2) - ^ eee
02:11:521 (6,7) - ^ eeee
02:21:878 (3) - ^ // NC here please to fix this issue eeeee
01:25:806 (6,7,1) - Please equalize the spacing between these objects.
This would make it easier to read + there is no real apparent reason why the
spacing should drastically change at this point. Nice catch, changed.
Cosmetical Issues:
00:07:949 (6) - NC here please for the new measure in time. Done
[Insane]
Placement Issues:
00:59:735 (8,1) - Can you stack these? It would keep consistency with 00:57:592 (5,1,2,1) - They are not of the same nature, I like them as they are. Will change if anyone else point it out though.
01:27:592 (4) - Consider moving this one to x:416 y:312 to make the spacing
bigger in order to prevent comfusion through the anti-jump. Or generally increase the spacing/
stack. Didn't do as suggested because it created a nasty overlap, I moved it around a bit though.
01:58:128 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - I do understand what you were trying to do here.
Flow-Jumps that still manage to highlight the repeating rhythm while differencing it.
Theres a better way to do it tho to maintain more flow.
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I love this pattern too much to get rid of it. I don't know why you can't see what I am trying to do here.
02:14:914 (11) - I dunno man, the spacing here indicates a double more
than a 1/2 rhythm. Consider moving it to x:24 y:160 to make it more readable. Moved it elsewhere :3
02:22:056 (6,7) - Please make this anti-Jump more readable by stacking
or using NC. Altho I highly suggest a stack to keep it consistent with 02:21:521 (4,5) - Used NC.
Cosmetical Issues:
00:37:235 (9) - NC here to keep consistency Ay
Nazi:
02:39:021 (1) - Move it to x:80 y:36 to make the line perfectly straight 02:37:949 (2,1,1) - Made it even more curvy so people don't think I want it straight :3

So many thanks for the cool mod :3

Snaggletooth

491 posts

Joined November 2012

Snaggletooth 2015-08-17T17:41:09+00:00

About the stacks on Hard:

Variation is one thing but using Anti-Jump on hard, which is already difficult to justify, and THEN using diffrent
anti-jumps ever so often, just complicates and makes everything confusing for no reason. That was my
point.

Light Insane: The 'clickables' are not clickable. A slider only offers one tap in rhythm and a release. If
the release happens on a high and loud note, the power and effect that this note could have potentially
had is lost because no incentive was given to actively engage with it.

Those are the only things that I would love to see changed but okay

Exa

445 posts

Joined January 2015

Topic Starter

Exa 2015-08-17T22:00:11+00:00

Snaggletooth wrote:
About the stacks on Hard:

Variation is one thing but using Anti-Jump on hard, which is already difficult to justify, and THEN using diffrent
anti-jumps ever so often, just complicates and makes everything confusing for no reason. That was my
point.

Light Insane: The 'clickables' are not clickable. A slider only offers one tap in rhythm and a release. If
the release happens on a high and loud note, the power and effect that this note could have potentially
had is lost because no incentive was given to actively engage with it.

Those are the only things that I would love to see changed but okay

Some valid points are here. I might actually change them; wel'll see.

Nozhomi

Global Moderator

4,568 posts

Joined May 2013

Nozhomi 2015-08-22T22:56:48+00:00

Milan- wrote:
nozhomi
-00:01:521 (3,4,1,2) - having the same pattern even tho the music has emphasis on (2) is not really nice. - Why ? Flow is good and fit perfectly music here. If you think there is a problem you have to explain me why.
-00:29:914 (3,1) - they way you make the transition towards this kind of sliders is reallly annoying, rotating (1) by 30°~ flows better. It may be a minor but still makes the map better:p. 00:30:628 (3,1) - same - Did some changes on this pattern.
-00:31:521 (1,2) - offbeat slider isnt that great, try ctrl g'ng that rhythm. Sounds better - True
-00:33:664 (5) - Uh it's better just as a circle cuz there's no music or something that support an extended slider here, in addition to make the following pattern play better . (or maybe slow it down?) - Water sound, listen carefully, also it makes a good transition to the next pattern.
-there are some pattern where you could improve the flow just doing minor adjustments, like here 00:15:806 (5,1,2,1,2,3) - it feels really forced the way you change suddenly to 1/4 sliders jumps, without saying that the flow you make here 00:16:878 (3,4,5,6) - is really awkward due to bad usage of slider leniency. And fast/ugly example of what you could've done there is something like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3484487 - I only moved 00:17:414 (3) - to the top I agree flow was kinda strange for this one, other are fine imo.
-00:34:616 (3,1) - this could be another example. You make the player stay in one position by doing this 00:34:378 (1,2,3) - so it'd play cooler if 00:34:735 (1) - stays also in the same spot. - Totally agree.
-00:59:556 (9,1,2) - you're forcing slider leniency to do the job even tho it doesnt actually do it right. - Don't see any problem here.
-Also there are some parts where the music get less stronger / slower, but you still keep jumping on every beat. Ex, 00:46:342 (5) - you make it part of the whole triangle but this beat is way weaker than the others so making a triangle with this note doesnt have much sense; 00:55:628 (2) - here clearly the music gets slower but you use the same distance that you use on stronger parts of the song. 01:40:806 (1,2,3,4) - similar - There is no jumps at all lol, basic spacing on kiai is around 1.50x, so that's a normal spacing, not a jump like 00:47:056 (4,5) - .
-Some notes on the last kiai doesnt fit to the song very well. It's a slow part of song so they sound mostly overmapped. like 02:09:110 (7) - 02:09:289 (9) - 02:11:967 (7) - (you could've mapped 02:11:789 - instead tho..) 02:16:074 (5) - 02:18:753 (5) - . You may say, "but there's a 1/4 sounds there", there's a very low 1/4 on the whole section, it doesnt mean you need to map them. - But if I want to map them actually ? They emphasis the song pretty well so I don't know why I should remove them since they're not overmapped.
-02:17:503 (5,6,7,8,9,1) - they way this stream is designed isnt really fitting to the track. This part is really plain and slow, making a kinda wub stream feels forced. - It fit the quick hit-hat here, no change.

gl hf

thx~

Natsu wrote:
Noz's Extra:

00:05:092 (1,2) - eh just use a 1/2 sliders, by using 1/4 here you are just killing the nice rhythm of 00:04:735 (1,2) - - That's not a bad idea but for me this is the best option to map this part and have it play nicely.
00:23:664 (5) - eh I think its a good idea to add a NC here, accordint to the music and - Sure
00:33:664 (5) - music just stop here, that slider makes 0 sense to me >; - No one hear water here ???????? D:
00:34:378 (1,2,3) - add whistle on every circle - Ok
00:51:878 (5) - same as above, also remove whistle from slider body - Ok
00:56:789 (1,2) - swap NC, your current one doesn't make sense with the music, if you are following instruments with your comboing then 00:56:878 - its the correct place, if you are following that vocals then the place should be in 00:56:699 - but not in blue - Fix
01:43:664 (1,1) - slider-slide sounds so bad imo. - Fixed all of them
02:17:503 (5,6,7,8,9,1) - is the spacing here a mistake? - No it's for fit hit-hat.
02:22:860 (5,6) - why? atleast make them overlap a bit - Yeah this is a little too far.

Thx

diff nya

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Hakurei_REIMU_

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Hakurei_REIMU_ 2015-08-22T23:59:53+00:00

Good.
this beatmap is fun.!!!

Exa

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Exa 2015-08-23T22:55:53+00:00

I am sad to say that fartownik's diff has now been permanently removed from the set due to it's inability of passing the ranking process.
It will still be linked in the beatmap's description.

Also fixed the stacks on Hard diff.

Last edited by Exa 2015-09-08T15:46:14+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Frim4503

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Frim4503 2015-08-30T17:15:13+00:00

when ranked ?
i wanna play it with scoreboard

NVAN

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NVAN 2015-08-30T23:21:41+00:00

Frim4503 wrote:
when ranked ?
i wanna play it with scoreboard

Not so soon

Exa

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Exa 2015-08-31T10:28:29+00:00

XeroiZi HD wrote:
Frim4503 wrote:
when ranked ?
i wanna play it with scoreboard
Not so soon

The hell?

Nozhomi

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Nozhomi 2015-08-31T11:40:16+00:00

#thedream ?
Keep belive in it ^^

Grrum

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Grrum 2015-09-06T21:37:05+00:00

Hi Exa. I've had my eye on this map for a while and finally got around to taking a look at it, but I'm still pretty lazy and only did one difficulty XD. Hope this helps.

[Insane]

00:03:664 (1,2) – Due to slider leniency, the distance between these feels kind of small. Try making the spacing a little bigger between (1)'s head and (2)'s head.

00:09:735 (5,7,8) – you're pattern would probably look nicer if 5 were the same distance away from 7 as it is with 8 (ex: http://puu.sh/k2jcv/322fb3452b.jpg)

00:18:664 (1,2,4) – Similar ^

00:30:806 (8,9,10) – Similar ^ . Move 00:31:164 (10) – to 56, 191 and 00:30:985 (9) – to 186, 112 so that these 4 objects form two equilateral triangles.

There's probably more of this above kind of thing, but I will stop mentioning them.

00:43:664 (1,2) – Due to slider leniency and the long slider in general, this is acting as a very strong rest. This conflicts a little bit with the stack at 00:44:735 (3) – on (2). Overall 00:44:735 (3) – is a very strong note, so it's possible to stack it like what you have and then interpret that as “intensity by resting,” but since you have the long rest at 00:43:664 (1,2) - , (3) just feels like even more of a rest. If you were to instead change 00:43:664 (1,2) – to have normal or above average spacing, the stack makes more sense. If you keep the spacing at 00:43:664 (1,2) - , then not stacking (3) and instead having a jump at 00:44:378 (2,3) – feels nice. Experiment with both options and see if you like those flows.

00:45:449 (5,6) – By following the bass, you undermap a lot of this exciting part. I'd prefer to see a more energetic rhythm and spacing to fit this part of the song better. This applies to all other similar parts of the song.

01:06:700 (5,6) – 3/2 rhythm feels really unintuitive. Experiment with 01:06:699 (5) – being a slider (probably a 1/1 slider), as well as with 01:07:235 (6) -

01:29:735 – put the anchor (the red node) so that it lines up here with the slider. (Try 161, 231. This changes it's shape, but it's an example how the anchor would match the timing of the slider). This sets up a better overlap with 01:29:021 (12) – by putting (12) exactly on the anchor.

01:58:128 (1) – It looks like you interpret this as being a strong note. I do not see the reason why, so it'd be helpful to hear you explain why you do. To me, the piano, the beat, and the high-pitched singing all start on 01:57:949 (6) - . This is the stronger beat, so I'd like the jumps to go into this one instead. (example: http://puu.sh/k2k3K/681bf5ddbb.jpg). Same with the NC, and same argument for spacing for 01:58:664 (3,6,9) -

01:57:770 (5,2) – This overlap looks poor. If you don't fix the above, try stacking on the slider end or move it so the don't overlap.

02:05:449 – try making a 1/1 slider here to fill in the gap. If you do, make some kind of stream or reverse slider on 02:06:164 -

02:25:806 (9) – I think you're undermapping the really high-pitched ½ notes here. Since you make a slight rest with the long slider at 02:25:092 (7) – you have room to add these notes, so I'd rather see the 02:25:806 (9) slider be three ½ circles with either normal DS'd spacing or possibly higher than normal spacing.

02:28:306 (1,2,3) - Try this rhythm so this combo isn't so restful: http://puu.sh/k2j0r/7d712a4f27.jpg

02:34:735 (8) – Consider making this a ½ slider and make a circle on 02:35:092 -

It's possible that I mod some other difficulties, but we'll see. Good luck!

Exa

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Exa 2015-09-06T23:07:10+00:00

pinataman wrote:
Hi Exa. I've had my eye on this map for a while and finally got around to taking a look at it, but I'm still pretty lazy and only did one difficulty XD. Hope this helps.

[Insane]

00:03:664 (1,2) – Due to slider leniency, the distance between these feels kind of small. Try making the spacing a little bigger between (1)'s head and (2)'s head. It's intended

00:09:735 (5,7,8) – you're pattern would probably look nicer if 5 were the same distance away from 7 as it is with 8 (ex: http://puu.sh/k2jcv/322fb3452b.jpg) Fixed :3

00:18:664 (1,2,4) – Similar ^Fixed

00:30:806 (8,9,10) – Similar ^ . Move 00:31:164 (10) – to 56, 191 and 00:30:985 (9) – to 186, 112 so that these 4 objects form two equilateral triangles. 00:30:628 (7,9) - Going for equality here, it doesn't look bad either >.<

There's probably more of this above kind of thing, but I will stop mentioning them.

00:43:664 (1,2) – Due to slider leniency and the long slider in general, this is acting as a very strong rest. This conflicts a little bit with the stack at 00:44:735 (3) – on (2). Overall 00:44:735 (3) – is a very strong note, so it's possible to stack it like what you have and then interpret that as “intensity by resting,” but since you have the long rest at 00:43:664 (1,2) - , (3) just feels like even more of a rest. If you were to instead change 00:43:664 (1,2) – to have normal or above average spacing, the stack makes more sense. If you keep the spacing at 00:43:664 (1,2) - , then not stacking (3) and instead having a jump at 00:44:378 (2,3) – feels nice. Experiment with both options and see if you like those flows. While you make a good point, I don't think it would affect gameplay THAT much if I let the player play a 3/2 slider once in a while. I can't get rid of the long slider due to consistency reasons and I also can't change the notes after - again - because of consistency reasons. Generally, letting the player take a small break is not that much of an issue.

00:45:449 (5,6) – By following the bass, you undermap a lot of this exciting part. I'd prefer to see a more energetic rhythm and spacing to fit this part of the song better. This applies to all other similar parts of the song. There is no actual beat on the red ticks so I can't stop the slider there and add a not afterwards

01:06:700 (5,6) – 3/2 rhythm feels really unintuitive. Experiment with 01:06:699 (5) – being a slider (probably a 1/1 slider), as well as with 01:07:235 (6) - Changed. In fact, I used a triplet.

01:29:735 – put the anchor (the red node) so that it lines up here with the slider. (Try 161, 231. This changes it's shape, but it's an example how the anchor would match the timing of the slider). This sets up a better overlap with 01:29:021 (12) – by putting (12) exactly on the anchor. There is a reason I didn't make the turning point of the ball on the red tick and that's because if I do so the transition 01:29:199 (13,1) - here becomes too big and plays bad.

01:58:128 (1) – It looks like you interpret this as being a strong note. I do not see the reason why, so it'd be helpful to hear you explain why you do. To me, the piano, the beat, and the high-pitched singing all start on 01:57:949 (6) - . This is the stronger beat, so I'd like the jumps to go into this one instead. (example: http://puu.sh/k2k3K/681bf5ddbb.jpg). Same with the NC, and same argument for spacing for 01:58:664 (3,6,9) - I honestly have no explanation for this stupid mistake. Nice catch. I used the same pattern but I moved everything a tick back.

01:57:770 (5,2) – This overlap looks poor. If you don't fix the above, try stacking on the slider end or move it so the don't overlap. Made it so that the sliderhead is between the slidertail and sliderbody of the slider which is above the slider we are talking about and did the same thing to the other sliders. Slider.

02:05:449 – try making a 1/1 slider here to fill in the gap. If you do, make some kind of stream or reverse slider on 02:06:164 - just added the reverse slider and not the 1/1 cause there is nothing to map really ;D

02:25:806 (9) – I think you're undermapping the really high-pitched ½ notes here. Since you make a slight rest with the long slider at 02:25:092 (7) – you have room to add these notes, so I'd rather see the 02:25:806 (9) slider be three ½ circles with either normal DS'd spacing or possibly higher than normal spacing. Honestly no idea what I was thinking; There are even 1/4 beats there. Stream'd!

02:28:306 (1,2,3) - Try this rhythm so this combo isn't so restful: http://puu.sh/k2j0r/7d712a4f27.jpg Good mod is a good mod.

02:34:735 (8) – Consider making this a ½ slider and make a circle on 02:35:092 - Hai o/

It's possible that I mod some other difficulties, but we'll see. Good luck! I think you've done more than enough. Thanks for the amazing mod <3

Hinsvar

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Hinsvar 2015-09-08T13:59:48+00:00

so uuuuh where's fartownik's diff

I found it to be okay, really. Why it's gone now? o.o

Exa

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Exa 2015-09-08T14:24:13+00:00

Hinsvar wrote:
so uuuuh where's fartownik's diff

I found it to be okay, really. Why it's gone now? o.o

Apparently due to it's gimmicky nature and it's difficulty, people (I will just call them that) hesitated when it came to modding it. This made the ranking process a pain in the ass for me and after long discussions with several BNs, I decided to remove it.

By all means though; if anyone thinks there is still something that can be done for farto's diff, please say so.

Hinsvar

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Hinsvar 2015-09-08T15:44:04+00:00

stuff

21.40 Exa: Hey Hinsvar
21.41 Hinsvar: o/
21.41 Exa: [Hey um https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/329717/start=162]
21.41 Exa: Ok I failed
21.41 Exa: Just click the link XD
21.42 Hinsvar: hmm ok then
21.42 Hinsvar: actually after I typed that I played the diff and uh
21.42 Hinsvar: Yeah, I found some parts to be uncomfortable.
21.42 Exa: Egh
21.42 Hinsvar: Not *that* bad tho
21.42 Hinsvar: like "no get this the fuck off the mapset" bad
21.42 Exa: Welp farto stated that the diff is ment for high-level player
21.43 Exa: players*
21.43 Exa: Yeah I get it
21.43 Exa: Uncomfortability is relevant to skill in some degree
21.44 Exa: I have bothered over 100 3k+ rank players to play this and they all gave positive feedback
21.46 Hinsvar: hmm let's see
21.46 Hinsvar: Do you still have the diff?
21.47 Exa: I think
21.47 Exa: let me see
21.47 Exa: No
21.47 Exa: let me get it
21.48 Exa: http://puu.sh/jYDCE/d837667fd3.osu
21.48 Exa: dl this so we have the same ver
21.48 Hinsvar: Well do you remember the part where a circle is stacked at the end of a slider?
21.48 Hinsvar: hmm ok
21.48 Hinsvar: 00:07:235 (3,4,5,1) - 
21.49 Exa: yup
21.50 Exa: 00:01:521 (1,2) - And here
21.50 Hinsvar: Do you find that part okay?
21.50 Exa: And on other places
21.50 Hinsvar: yep that too
21.50 Hinsvar: basically do you find that kind of pattern ok
21.51 Exa: Yeah I guess
21.51 Exa: Well
21.51 Exa: It plays comfortably for me personaly
21.52 Exa: And it's a good way to break the flow imo
21.52 Hinsvar: 00:07:235 (3,4,5,1) - [https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3649422 I'd say this is better... but this is probably just me.]
21.52 Hinsvar: Not sure what would fartownik think about it.
21.53 Exa: So it's the aesthetics that you find unfitting
21.53 Hinsvar: not really the aesthetics
21.53 Exa: I don't think he would have a problem with this
21.53 Hinsvar: It also makes the spacing larger too.
21.53 Exa: Well you increase the spacing and give more pressure
21.54 Exa: I think farto thought that he emphasized the beat by cutting the flow
21.54 Hinsvar: The movement with the current patterning is pretty small and it felt awkward to play for some reason, so I tried making the spacing bigger.
21.54 Exa: But I find your suggestion also much  better
21.54 Hinsvar: I think I managed to preserve the flow he wanted, at least :P
21.54 Exa: Yeah I just tried it myself
21.54 Exa: It plays better indeed
21.54 Exa: Yup
21.55 Exa: I will let him know as soon as I see him online
21.56 Hinsvar: sure
21.56 Hinsvar: 00:21:699 (1,2,3) - Personally not too sure about this ._.
21.57 Exa: 00:21:744 - There is a beat here so the first one make sense
21.58 Hinsvar: I find the rhythm to be okay, but the placement... feels too linear.
21.58 Hinsvar: uh the flow I mean
21.58 Hinsvar: umm how to describe this
21.58 Exa: And the other two have beats that last for 1/8 so I guess that justifies it
21.59 Hinsvar: 00:16:878 (1,2,3,4) - oh and maybe this would've played way better if (4) was spaced way more distant from (2,3)
21.59 Hinsvar: yep i'm ok with the 1/8s :D
21.59 Exa: 00:21:699 (1,2,3) - So you are cool with these?
21.59 Exa: They more like make a curve
22.00 Exa: 00:17:414 (4) - How about equalizing this ones distance from
22.00 Exa: 00:17:235 (3,1) -
22.01 Hinsvar: 00:21:699 (1,2,3) - I find [http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3649462 this] to be more ok tbh
22.01 Hinsvar: hmm
22.01 Hinsvar: I thought of something like that too for 00:17:414 (4) - 
22.01 Exa: Oh I see your point
22.02 Exa: Alright I will also tell him that
22.05 Hinsvar: 00:34:021 (1,1,2,1) - The flow here makes this part's snapping change hard to read...
22.05 Hinsvar: Not sure why but when I stack 00:34:735 (1) - under 00:34:021 (1) - 's tail, it's kind of more readable.
22.06 Hinsvar: I did [http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3649483 this]
22.06 Hinsvar: ...it's still hard to read anyway because the 1/3s are quite unexpected
22.06 Hinsvar: if you sightread at least
22.07 Exa: No mattern how you make it, this part is hard to read
22.07 Exa: 00:34:021 (1,1,2) - Triangle flow
22.07 Exa: 00:34:616 (2,1) - Back and forth
22.08 Exa: 00:34:735 (1,2,1) - Triangle
22.08 Hinsvar: 00:36:878 (1,2,1) - Larger spacing will make the cursor movement here more natural; something like [http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3649494 this]
22.08 Exa: Breaking it down into little pieced makes sense
22.08 Hinsvar: hmm ok sure
22.09 Hinsvar: it's indeed one of the trickiest part to map
22.09 Exa: 00:36:878 (1,2,1) - I supposed he did it that way because they are ghost notes
22.09 Exa: They don't make something rly noticeable so small spacing makes sense
22.09 Exa: I don't think it would be that much of a deal to use more spacing though
22.10 Hinsvar: More spacing makes it more comfortable to play this part, and the difference in spacing shouldn't be too major of a problem :D
22.10 Exa: Yeah that's what I think as well
22.11 Hinsvar: 00:54:378 (1,2,3,4,1,2,1) - am I the only person who keeps misreading this
22.11 Exa: I can read that o.o
22.12 Exa: It has many things that say "I am 1/2"
22.12 Exa: Different combo, different spacing
22.12 Hinsvar: ah
22.12 Exa: And the aproach circle plays a major role in this
22.12 Hinsvar: 00:54:467 - there's actually nothing to map here
22.12 Hinsvar: ._.
22.12 Exa: 00:54:735 (1,2) - I mean these have their own combo
22.12 Hinsvar: yep I can understand that part
22.12 Exa: There is a beat there
22.13 Exa: it's the continuation of the previous beat
22.13 Exa: If you listen close enough, you can hear the beat that started on the previous tick escalating
22.13 Exa: it's like tiiiIIIICK!
22.13 Hinsvar: Yep, but it doesn't create... a sound by itself starting on that tick, but it's the continuation of something that starts a tick before it.
22.14 Hinsvar: Which is usually more suitable to be mapped with a slider's body
22.14 Hinsvar: ...wait
22.14 Hinsvar: I think there is indeed something that begins... around here.
22.14 Exa: 00:54:378 (1,2) - These could make a 1/4 slider along with these 00:54:556 (3,4) -
22.14 Hinsvar: Not sure if it's exactly on 00:54:467 - tho
22.15 Exa: Welp for the sake of playablity, I wouldn't use 1/16 ;D
22.15 Hinsvar: Same :D
22.15 Hinsvar: (3,4) would still be better of as circles tho
22.15 Hinsvar: because of how the instruments play
22.15 Hinsvar: combining (1,2) as a 1/4 slider would be ok
22.16 Exa: Yeah I see your point
22.16 Exa: I will let him know
22.17 Hinsvar: 00:58:128 (2) - uh honestly
22.17 Exa: 00:54:378 (1,2) - So basically make these a slider
22.17 Exa: That
22.17 Hinsvar: ye lol
22.18 Exa: That has been the point of many discussions
22.18 Exa: It plays fine and I can also explain why
22.18 Hinsvar: 01:00:271 (1,2) - this is the only part where the short sliders are really fitting
22.18 Exa: 00:58:128 (2,1) - Small spacing = slow cursor movement
22.18 Hinsvar: as in perfectly goes well
22.18 Hinsvar: the others are ok too but
22.18 Hinsvar: uh
22.18 Exa: These sliders map the same sound
22.18 Exa: all of them
22.19 Exa: Let me explain
22.19 Exa: 00:58:128 (2,1) - Slow cursor movement does not allow the player to sliderbreak
22.19 Exa: And taken that even a small portion of the slider body is visible
22.19 Exa: It should be treated as a slider and not 2 notes
22.20 Exa: After that, the player know how to play the slider
22.20 Exa: And it should be fine for the rest of them
22.20 Hinsvar: hmm ok after playing them again they make more sense now
22.20 Hinsvar: but I still find 01:03:485 (1,1,2,3,1) - somehow strange
22.21 Hinsvar: probs because they are stacked
22.21 Hinsvar: And I don't really think this should be a stacked stream...
22.22 Exa: 01:03:842 (2,3,1) - What if he at least moved these a bit further from the rest?
22.22 Hinsvar: Making them spaced will follow the instrument's increasing pitch better.
22.22 Exa: hm yeah
22.22 Hinsvar: [http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3649548 This was what I was thinking.]
22.22 Exa: Probablyt
22.23 Hinsvar: oh and I was thinking that 00:58:485 (1,3) - Ctrl+G'd will emphasize 00:58:485 (1) - better since there's more spacing (and thus movement) between 00:58:128 (2,1) - 
22.23 Exa: Good point
22.24 Hinsvar: 01:06:342 (2) - I'm feeling like an oddball, but Ctrl+G-ing this makes it play... better?
22.25 Hinsvar: 01:16:104 (2) - wait shouldn't this be 1/6
22.26 Exa: 01:06:342 (2) - This...
22.26 Exa: It's the same thing even if it's Ctrl+G'd
22.27 Hinsvar: Looks like it's the same thing, but by reversing it the flow changes.
22.27 Hinsvar: but then again yeah
22.27 Hinsvar: slider leniency makes them play the same
22.27 Hinsvar: I just instinctively follow where the tail is even though the leniency allows me to let the cursor stay still.
22.28 Exa: Ay
22.28 Exa: That's why I made 6k+ pp players play this and not 3k-
22.28 Hinsvar: 01:15:806 (1,2,3) - oh and remember this
22.28 Hinsvar: lel
22.28 Exa: 01:16:104 (2) - It's 1/6 on my version
22.28 Exa: Did you download what I gave you on the beginning?
22.28 Hinsvar: Yes.
22.28 Exa: http://puu.sh/jYDCE/d837667fd3.osu
22.28 Hinsvar: lemme get it again
22.29 Exa: 01:16:104 (2) - This is 1/6
22.29 Hinsvar: probs I fcked when I saved it
22.29 Exa: egh
22.29 Exa: Check it
22.30 Hinsvar: ...nvm I derped
22.30 Exa: Egh ;D
22.30 Hinsvar: I don't know what was I thinking lel
22.30 Hinsvar: I just heard a sound at 01:16:134 - and then I just realized it'd be crazy to map 1/12 triplets
22.31 Exa: LOL this is indeed 1/12
22.32 Hinsvar: ayy
22.33 Exa: Welp, can't map a 1/12 stream
22.34 Hinsvar: oh and lastly 02:27:592 (1,2,3) - 
22.34 Hinsvar: I found this... exaggerated.
22.34 Hinsvar: uh
22.34 Hinsvar: ok not really the right word
22.34 Hinsvar: but also making 02:27:592 (1,2) - a 1/4 slider would be better
22.34 Exa: I will agree, this doesn't look like 1/4
22.35 Hinsvar: since 02:27:681 - isn't really that pronounced
22.35 Exa: Yup I see
22.35 Hinsvar: Well that's it.
22.35 Exa: I will let him know of all of them
22.35 Hinsvar: Cool.
22.36 Hinsvar: I'd be fine to get this forward... once I have everything done on my side.
22.36 Exa: Yeah sure
22.36 Exa: Did you check the rest of the diffs in case you have something to point out?
22.37 Hinsvar: Nope, not for now.
22.37 Hinsvar: Still not quite in the mood.
22.37 Exa: Yeah, no presure
22.37 Hinsvar: :D
22.39 Exa: You might as well post this on the thread
22.39 Hinsvar: Sure.

Discussed fartownik's diff with Exa.

After looking at and modding the diff, I didn't find the diff to be so bad (like "no this isn't supposed to be here go away" bad), honestly. It might look quirky, but I still believe it isn't too gimmicky to join the ranks of the ranked beatmaps.

I'll check the other diffs as I clear maps in my queue.

Exa

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Exa 2015-09-08T15:47:39+00:00

Moved farto's diff back in the set.

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fartownik 2015-09-08T16:45:58+00:00

@Hinsvar:

00:07:235 (3,4,5,1) - I really feel like this pattern (and ones of this kind) is fine. Notice that I'm only using such spacing in a circle-slider pattern. I mostly dislike the aesthetics of what you proposed as well, it seems like to big of an SV to me.
00:16:878 (1,2,3,4) - Fixed.
00:21:699 (1,2,3) - Fixed.
00:34:735 (1) - Fixed it differently.
00:36:878 (1,2,1) - Fixed.
00:54:378 (1,2) - Nope.
01:03:485 (1,1,2,3,1) - The only way I see this fixed is making it 1/4 sliders, which I wanted to avoid, but whatever. Done just that. Not sure about it though.
00:58:485 (1,3) - Fine.
01:16:104 (2) - It is 1/6.

Also changed sliders to 0,3x and fixed a small ton of minor things.

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