Still play ar8 though.
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ZenithPhantasm
Kheldragar wrote:
Still play ar8 though.
There is no reason to do this unless you just want to play ar8 maps because you enjoy them or something.Barusamikosu wrote:
Kheldragar wrote:
Still play ar8 though.
Practice your reading. It can't hurt anyway, unlike mashing AR>10 all day.B1rd wrote:
There is no reason to do this unless you just want to play ar8 maps because you enjoy them or something.
It will improve his reading and ability to deal with higher note density. OP needs to play AR9, of course, but OP also needs to cure the gotta-go-fast sickness that made him forget AR9 to start with.B1rd wrote:
There is no reason to do this unless you just want to play ar8 maps because you enjoy them or something.
Besides that, there are so many fun AR8 maps to help with vital skills like aiming, streaming and reading that anybody that can't read AR8 is really missing out.
Not all of them are easily playable with DT/HR
ar8 is actually better to train your aim because you have more time to react and see what is going on
here is a ar8 map which plays like a ar9
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/54618
here is a ar8 map which plays like a ar9
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/54618
Or you could just play high density AR9. I have to agree with Narrill on this, the most effective way to get good at something is to play it specifically.Barusamikosu wrote:
It will improve his reading and ability to deal with higher note density. OP needs to play AR9, of course, but OP also needs to cure the gotta-go-fast sickness that made him forget AR9 to start with.
For getting better at AR9, I agree 100%. Play more AR9. The AR8 suggestion is mostly for expanding his abilities beyond that.B1rd wrote:
Or you could just play high density AR9. I have to agree with Narrill on this, the most effective way to get good at something is to play it specifically.
I personally find AR8 a lot easier to aim and can play crazy jump maps that I probably wouldn't be able to do at 9/10.[MY] yummy90 XP wrote:
ar8 is actually better to train your aim because you have more time to react and see what is going on
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idk if i can be bothered with ar8 if it wont reap any significant rewards for the time put into learning it, its not like it serves much purpose anyway. Most old maps i like i edit to ar9 to play for fun
OP asked for a different advice, do you want me to regurgitate the same crap everyone says?B1rd wrote:
Didn't we establish not to play ar8 and just play ar9?Purple wrote:
Play lower AR, 8 or less. Ignore the fact that you can't handle it, just do your best and do a few retries. BPM also matters, if that wasn't obvious enough... Good luck not getting bored.
Playing 300+bpm alternate maps isn't going to help much either. I'd recommend some maps to play, but there are so many aspect of reading that you should just go around playing ar9 in general.
And holy hell, I shouldn't have to explain how practicing AR8 improves AR9 reading, seems incredibly obvious to me. If you play and get used to 10 objects on screen you will do better when pit against 5 objects on screen. Go even lower until you can easily read AR8 and you'll have 100% fail-proof AR9 reading. I'm pretty sure that if you stick to AR9 alone you wont have that sense of security, unless you plan to play 245+ bpm.
Agree 100%Purple wrote:
OP asked for a different advice, do you want me to regurgitate the same crap everyone says?
And holy hell, I shouldn't have to explain how practicing AR8 improves AR9 reading, seems incredibly obvious to me. If you play and get used to 10 objects on screen you will do better when pit against 5 objects on screen. Go even lower until you can easily read AR8 and you'll have 100% fail-proof AR9 reading. I'm pretty sure that if you stick to AR9 alone you wont have that sense of security, unless you plan to play 245+ bpm.
m-maybe if i be condescending, i'll show my point!Purple wrote:
And holy hell, I shouldn't have to explain how practicing AR8 improves AR9 reading, seems incredibly obvious to me.
anyways,
play AR8 = learn AR8
play AR9 = learn AR9
Playing Counter Strike does not help you get better at Quake
Almost 3k pp and i still can't read ar9.
Please send help.
Please send help.
3.1k PP and still can't read it.pandaBee wrote:
Almost 3k pp and i still can't read ar9.
You should still play ar8; if ar9 is actually too slowfor you because you hurr spam ar10 too much, just also take the fucking time to learn ar8 too.
Preach it.Kheldragar wrote:
You should still play ar8; if ar9 is actually too slowfor you because you hurr spam ar10 too much, just also take the fucking time to learn ar8 too.
Liars don't get presents from Santa.Barusamikosu wrote:
3.1k PP and still can't read it.
It simply takes time. I went through that as well. You learn an AR. And you forget another. As long as you continue playing both ar's this will get better. But it takes time.
AR 8 - OD 10
Actually playing CS does not make you better at Quake, but playing AR8 does make you better at 9.
Ironic huh?
Actually playing CS does not make you better at Quake, but playing AR8 does make you better at 9.
Ironic huh?
i have this problem too... i just continue to play hr and dt ar 10.3.. i'm getting better at that and 0 fks given :') if i want a fc on an ar 9 song i will just fc it with hr in the future... just my opinion
Maybe practicing CS at 1.1x speed will make you better at regular CSFriendan wrote:
m-maybe if i be condescending, i'll show my point!Purple wrote:
And holy hell, I shouldn't have to explain how practicing AR8 improves AR9 reading, seems incredibly obvious to me.
anyways,
play AR8 = learn AR8
play AR9 = learn AR9
Playing Counter Strike does not help you get better at Quake
I was just going to let you guys destroy each others since there are already a bunch of people defending the whole "playing ar8 to learn ar9 is bullshit" thing, but this is just retardedPurple wrote:
Maybe practicing CS at 1.1x speed will make you better at regular CS
that's not even a valid comparison, for fuck's sake
I'm saying that if you find AR9 too slow, then you should also give ar8 a try and learn it as well. If Ar9 is too fast for you to read, then no, ar8 will not help.
I'm saying his comparison is retarded and his point is wrong, not that you said playing ar8 is good for learning ar9.Kheldragar wrote:
I'm saying that if you find AR9 too slow, then you should also give ar8 a try and learn it as well. If Ar9 is too fast for you to read, then no, ar8 will not help.
ahh quake, i used to be good at it when i was like 14, now in my 20's, it feels like im being tossed into a barrel full of rabid ferrets full of firecrackers. Too damn old now.Friendan wrote:
m-maybe if i be condescending, i'll show my point!Purple wrote:
And holy hell, I shouldn't have to explain how practicing AR8 improves AR9 reading, seems incredibly obvious to me.
anyways,
play AR8 = learn AR8
play AR9 = learn AR9
Playing Counter Strike does not help you get better at Quake
I don't think it's the best, for playing ar9, but I think that being able to read ar8 is an important skill and will assist with ar9.bigfeh wrote:
I'm saying his comparison is retarded and his point is wrong, not that you said playing ar8 is good for learning ar9.Kheldragar wrote:
I'm saying that if you find AR9 too slow, then you should also give ar8 a try and learn it as well. If Ar9 is too fast for you to read, then no, ar8 will not help.
I know that feel op.
Really no way to fix this problem other than for you to temporarily stop playing above AR9 and grind out lower AR songs (not just AR9, but play 7-9, even lower if you have to time for it).
It's going to be feel slow and even boring, but don't give up and keep playing!
You will really learn a lot about reading and pacing from playing low AR's, which you can apply to any map later on.
On another note, I ended up grinding out low ARs for 6 months before I got decent at AR9 and below compared to people around my rank at the time.
Don't expect easy, quick fixes.
Really no way to fix this problem other than for you to temporarily stop playing above AR9 and grind out lower AR songs (not just AR9, but play 7-9, even lower if you have to time for it).
It's going to be feel slow and even boring, but don't give up and keep playing!
You will really learn a lot about reading and pacing from playing low AR's, which you can apply to any map later on.
On another note, I ended up grinding out low ARs for 6 months before I got decent at AR9 and below compared to people around my rank at the time.
Don't expect easy, quick fixes.
ZenithPhantasm
Same here, I know this from experience. I wouldn't go too low, though, there's a point where doing too bad means wasting your time, like trying to imrpove speed by playing 360 bpm.usa wrote:
I know that feel op.
Really no way to fix this problem other than for you to temporarily stop playing above AR9 and grind out lower AR songs (not just AR9, but play 7-9, even lower if you have to time for it).
It's going to be feel slow and even boring, but don't give up and keep playing!
You will really learn a lot about reading and pacing from playing low AR's, which you can apply to any map later on.
On another note, I ended up grinding out low ARs for 6 months before I got decent at AR9 and below compared to people around my rank at the time.
Don't expect easy, quick fixes.
How is CS and quake a valid comparision to AR9 and AR8? Thats what I pointed out. You must be really slow... or some special kind of troll. And if you want to explain why AR8 practice is bullshit (I know you can't, you're new at this game) then please bless us with your knowledge. A drunken shitpost doesn't do anyone any favors.bigfeh wrote:
I was just going to let you guys destroy each others since there are already a bunch of people defending the whole "playing ar8 to learn ar9 is bullshit" thing, but this is just retardedPurple wrote:
Maybe practicing CS at 1.1x speed will make you better at regular CS
that's not even a valid comparison, for fuck's sake
Edit: Heres the reading density table, relevant to discussion
Wanna master the AR9 row? Meaning, read 240 bpm AR9? Then, like I said, get ready for 240 bpm grinding. Otherwise, just play AR8, and rather than having to focus on making sure you're beating the shit out of your keyboard fast enough, you can focus on what you actually want to improve.
Object density is only one aspect of reading, and training only that isolated aspect at ar8 will not mean that you can suddenly do ar9 240bpm. Once again, If you want to get good at AR9, play AR9.
So you're using an argument from authority, yet you yourself don't even have any ar9 or under plays over 100pp? How are you such an authority on low AR object density training?Purple wrote:
And if you want to explain why AR8 practice is bullshit (I know you can't, you're new at this game) then please bless us with your knowledge.
Don't you mean "over 100pp" or do I not comprehend?B1rd wrote:
So you're using an argument from authority, yet you yourself don't even have any ar9 or under plays below 100pp?
e: Okay now that you edited it I'm going to say I feel attempting to learn ar8 has helped my reading in general okay bye.
Actually; yes. For the most part at least.B1rd wrote:
Object density is only one aspect of reading, and training only that isolated aspect at ar8 will not mean that you can suddenly do ar9 240bpm. Once again, If you want to get good at AR9, play AR9.
Following the table above:
AR8 at 190BPM has an object density of 4.8
AR9 at 240BPM has an object density of 4.8
After trying those two settings on different maps (here's an example of an AR8 190BPM map, and here an AR9 240bpm), they do feel really similar in how I read them. Granted the first one is much easier, but that wasn't the point here. The difference between them is that I have to process stuff faster at 240bpm than 190bpm, but it's really not a big difference. If you can read AR8 on a 190BPM insane, you can do the same on an AR9 240BPM insane. Insane means: Jumps, streams and some overlapping circles here and there.
Keep in mind I'm only talking about the reading part, keeping up stamina/speed wise on the 240BPM map will obviously be harder.
And those two examples are exactly that; examples. They aren't the only maps I used for this little experiment.
But reading density is only one aspect of reading. I don't think OP needs to train reading density specifically, because AR9 maps that actually have a high reading density requirements are going to be out of his league anyway. Whereas AR9 will definitely train all aspects of reading that AR.
Training ar8/low AR may help with high density. If it is efficient to specifically training low AR for this purpose is another argument.
Training ar8/low AR may help with high density. If it is efficient to specifically training low AR for this purpose is another argument.
You pointed it out so I edited it. I'm not sure what you're mad about.Kheldragar wrote:
e: Okay now that you edited it I'm going to say I feel attempting to learn ar8 has helped my reading in general okay bye.
Your statement was specifically saying "You won't learn how to read high object density maps on higher AR by learning how to read lower AR" which isn't true.GoldenWolf wrote:
Keep in mind I'm only talking about the reading part
Anyway, it can't hurt to learn to read AR8 maps with high object density, and if he can learn how to read those kind of maps at a higher BPM along the way, that will only benefit him. There is really no downside to learn that other than taking more time.
I didn't specifically say anything like that. I said it won't make you suddenly be able to do 240bpm, and it won't because the point was you need more than object density reading to do that.
I also said that training high density at low AR may help with reading at higher AR, but it's still a dubious proposition if this is an efficient form of training. It's not going to do any harm to your skills doing this, but if you find it boring which a lot of people might, I don't advocate forcing yourself to do it.
I also said that training high density at low AR may help with reading at higher AR, but it's still a dubious proposition if this is an efficient form of training. It's not going to do any harm to your skills doing this, but if you find it boring which a lot of people might, I don't advocate forcing yourself to do it.
Check again, I am nomod god nowB1rd wrote:
So you're using an argument from authority, yet you yourself don't even have any ar9 or under plays over 100pp? How are you such an authority on low AR object density training?
As mentioned, density is one of the many aspects of the game. I'm not good at the game but I am not, unlike other posters (yourself being a strong contender), a retard.Purple wrote:
How is CS and quake a valid comparision to AR9 and AR8? Thats what I pointed out. You must be really slow... or some special kind of troll. And if you want to explain why AR8 practice is bullshit (I know you can't, you're new at this game) then please bless us with your knowledge. A drunken shitpost doesn't do anyone any favors.bigfeh wrote:
I was just going to let you guys destroy each others since there are already a bunch of people defending the whole "playing ar8 to learn ar9 is bullshit" thing, but this is just retarded
that's not even a valid comparison, for fuck's sake
Edit: Heres the reading density table, relevant to discussion
Wanna master the AR9 row? Meaning, read 240 bpm AR9? Then, like I said, get ready for 240 bpm grinding. Otherwise, just play AR8, and rather than having to focus on making sure you're beating the shit out of your keyboard fast enough, you can focus on what you actually want to improve.
If you train AR8 in a specific environment (high bpm, for example) you'll get good at that specific aspect of ar9. Why not play ar9 and get good with it at once? What's the fucking point in playing ar8 to learn ar9? What's the point in playing quake to learn cs?
that and if we're gonna talk about ar9/ar8, I probably have about the same experience as you, given that, well, that's what I played for a long time. AR8 does not teach you AR9. It's just a stepping stone.
Ok, I see what you're trying to say. Practicing AR8 wont help you at reading AR9 the same way practicing AR9 wont help you at reading AR10. You're just talking about reaction time. That's not what were trying to discuss tho, we're talking about going from AR10 down to AR9 (in OP's case, AR9.5~ to AR9). Of course, with your misunderstanding, playing AR8 does seem pretty dumb. But we're trying to go down, not up.bigfeh wrote:
As mentioned, density is one of the many aspects of the game. I'm not good at the game but I am not, unlike other posters (yourself being a strong contender), a retard.
If you train AR8 in a specific environment (high bpm, for example) you'll get good at that specific aspect of ar9. Why not play ar9 and get good with it at once? What's the fucking point in playing ar8 to learn ar9? What's the point in playing quake to learn cs?
that and if we're gonna talk about ar9/ar8, I probably have about the same experience as you, given that, well, that's what I played for a long time. AR8 does not teach you AR9. It's just a stepping stone.
I'm gonna have to go ahead and put you on my ignore list though. Your posts are not only completely useless, they're also really intricate and offensive and I really can't be arsed to waste time figuring out what you're trying to say.
You need to be incredibly handicapped to not understand what I'm trying to say here. If you're offended by my posts, how about you grow the fuck up? Adults can intelligently talk to someone who has a different view on a matter and are intimidated by neither details nor complexityPurple wrote:
Ok, I see what you're trying to say. Practicing AR8 wont help you at reading AR9 the same way practicing AR9 wont help you at reading AR10. You're just talking about reaction time. That's not what were trying to discuss tho, we're talking about going from AR10 down to AR9 (in OP's case, AR9.5~ to AR9). Of course, with your misunderstanding, playing AR8 does seem pretty dumb. But we're trying to go down, not up.bigfeh wrote:
As mentioned, density is one of the many aspects of the game. I'm not good at the game but I am not, unlike other posters (yourself being a strong contender), a retard.
If you train AR8 in a specific environment (high bpm, for example) you'll get good at that specific aspect of ar9. Why not play ar9 and get good with it at once? What's the fucking point in playing ar8 to learn ar9? What's the point in playing quake to learn cs?
that and if we're gonna talk about ar9/ar8, I probably have about the same experience as you, given that, well, that's what I played for a long time. AR8 does not teach you AR9. It's just a stepping stone.
I'm gonna have to go ahead and put you on my ignore list though. Your posts are not only completely useless, they're also really intricate and offensive and I really can't be arsed to waste time figuring out what you're trying to say.
telling him to go play ar8 to learn ar9 is akin to telling him to go play ar10 to learn ar9 (as in, it's retarded). I couldn't give less of a fuck about your ignore list, but calling my posts useless is simply bullshit. The simple fact that you can neither make a valid point nor understand what I'm trying to say here doesn't make my posts useless (if anything, is proves your brain - or rather, lack thereof - to be useless)