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Little
2,509 posts
Joined November 2012
Little

Kencho wrote:

DS方面建議差距不要超過+-0.01，超過的地方都稍微改改吧
Who told you this? -.-

DS error is acceptable as long as the error is not visually noticeable.
Anything within +/-0.05 is usually ok, and doesn't affect gameplay.
Misure
951 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
Misure
写了一堆然后手残不小心给点没了，又得重写一遍QAQ

Kencho wrote:

From qq群 queue~ 其实我想知道谁帮我request的0.0
[General]
  1. 沒發現什麼問題
[Sora]
  1. 作為良心麻婆和玩家我建議HP6或者6.5 主难度还好吧(其实还被吐槽太简单了来着)先这样吧

  2. 00:22:827 (6) - 放到這裡會不會好點，因為可以順著之後的1 我是想先向下再向上走的flow
    SPOILER
    00:28:704 (5) - 弄成微彎吧 其实不太知道为什么然而这块排列问题更大 我看看改改...
    00:37:174 (4,1) - 把4逆時針旋轉6度，然後和1 blanket如何？像這樣 改了1 blanket了
    SPOILER
    00:46:435 (5) - 弄成微彎 好
    00:51:384 (7) - NC
    00:52:312 (1) - no NC
    00:52:776 (3) - NC 都改了
    00:57:724 (1,2) - 間距太近了，把2放到00:56:796 (2) - 的位置還差不多
    00:58:652 (4) - 逆時針旋轉10度然後放到00:56:951 (3) -
    00:59:116 (1) - 放遠一點，這裡我還是給個圖好了 这几个我重新摆下吧...
    SPOILER
    01:13:188 (3,4,5,6) - 這裡嚴重漏音誒，可以參考一下wkyik's Insane下的節奏，不然實在太空了 好的
    01:14:734 - 這裡還是加個圓圈比較好吧 不了，想强调后面两个note上的vocal
    01:17:673 - 漏音，加個圓圈或者把前面1改成1/2滑條 我是想和之前的节奏相似，就是那样的点上空拍话说漏音影响很严重么，实在不行我就改
    01:27:260 - 這裡的slidertick音不需要啊，加條綠線把音量拉到5%就好了 我怎么记得谁说过rank要求里有一点 音效不能太低(至少能听到的程度)来着 5%是可以的么？我不太清楚啊...


[wkyik's Insane]
  1. 00:03:033 (4,1) - 這節奏放錯了吧，00:03:497 - 漏音了，所以應該是這樣？
    SPOILER
    00:03:961 (3,4) - 這個換成兩個1/2滑條吧，因為00:04:116 - 也漏音了
    SPOILER
    00:07:982 (4,1) - 和上面一樣的問題

  2. nice diff wkyik
[FreeSongs' Hard]
  1. 這HP7也太誇張了吧，比Insane還要高，而且還是每隔兩條大白線才NC一次，改成5吧

  2. AiMod裡面，物件的結尾沒有對齊時間軸！ 00:10:596

  3. 00:09:528 (1) - 雖然這滑條拉的挺好，但還是建議這裡放個轉盤比較好，讓榜上的分數可以多點變化
    00:53:703 (4,5) - 這節奏錯了吧，00:54:013 - 是重音不該放滑條尾，所以45節奏互換就好了，先一個1/2滑條再一個1/1的

  4. nice diff
[Normal]
  1. 看得出大部分都是跟vocal多，雖然這也並沒什麼不好，但有些地方還是太空了
    如果不想難度太高的話換回1.0ds就好了 不啊，现在Normal和Hard的diff好像都有点大来着...
  2. 00:52:776 (1,2,3,4) - 這段試試這樣？ 嗯
    SPOILER
    00:55:250 (1,2,3,4) - 這段和上面說的一樣 这个和上面那个也不是对应的啊倒是把后面相对应的地方改了
    00:59:889 (6) - 放到00:59:734 - 跟vocal會好點吧 改了下 姑且是跟到vocal了
    01:00:198 (1,2,3,4,5) - 這一整段這樣吧，不然太空了 改了，我感觉一段疏一段密挺好的吧，大概
    SPOILER
    01:02:673 (1,2,3,4,5) - 這段這樣
    SPOILER
    01:05:147 (1,2,3,4) - 這段像00:52:776 (1,2,3,4) - 說的一樣 不了
[Cloud's Easy]
  1. DS方面建議差距不要超過+-0.01，超過的地方都稍微改改吧

  2. 00:20:662 (1) - 這個變成了1.12DS，稍微改改
    00:24:064 (2) - 這個也是變成1.12了
    00:30:866 (1,2) - 一個1.12一個1.08
    後面還有一些我指出來你自己改吧
    00:47:518 (3) - 00:54:013 (2) - 00:55:250 (1) - 01:17:518 (1) -
美麗，祝順利起飛~ 谢谢 :)
多谢峰哥的mod！（咦现在应该是叫肯球了么;w;
:)
Koiyuki
2,531 posts
Joined March 2013
Koiyuki
As mapper's request to have a look on the Sora diff.
*以下言辞可能会有吐槽、不耐烦等心情在内，主要个人遇到点情况，不过言辞不当的地方还请勿过度在意

Sora
  1. 00:00:869 (1,2,3,4,5) - 就以开头举例，滑条的主要部分是滑条头，它能完全体现在游戏时的距离感，你这里1到5的距离是越来越小的，然后下一段又突然跳开，打起来的感觉就不好
  2. 整个开头部分到转盘前的滑条摆放没什么规律
  3. 00:10:456 (1,2,1) - 这里其实可以做个跳，跟着ds摆反而不和谐
  4. 00:10:765 (1,2) - 这个距离打起来我个人觉得是挺不舒服的，主要这个停顿的感觉不太好吧，我觉得还是把1做成1/2滑条比较合适
  5. 00:11:847 (4,5,1) - 这个三连很突兀，然后后面隔着一拍的00:12:002 (1,2) - 摆的又很近，没有很好的间距感，建议要么把1改成1/2滑条，要么把2摆远点。整一段都比较类似，我就不一一写了
  6. 00:18:188 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - 当中一个三角00:19:116 (1,2,3) - 的角度突然往上，打起来的flow瞬间就觉得不好了。另外这一段单点可以做得再有点变化，全是三角的梗虽然不是不行但可以变间距啊什么的对不对？我随便摆了个变间距跳： http://puu.sh/iyyzU/185e22dd88.jpg, http://puu.sh/iyyAV/b342b70d63.jpg
  7. 00:22:131 (2) - 00:24:374 (1,2,3) - 整张图类似这样没必要的overmap太多了，这歌1/2多啊，你overmap也就算了还专门在滑条尾后面加二连，这不是要人不舒服吗？
  8. 00:22:827 (6) - 00:25:456 (6) - 重音不要放在滑条尾，vocal虽然是从每一拍的红线开始的但这样下节奏不利于玩家打图。就以这段为例：00:24:374 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 你把24clap和重音部分全部放在尾巴上打一下，再按照这么下节奏：http://puu.sh/iyz51/c435355226.jpg 来打一下，你自己感受下哪种更加舒服。
  9. 00:29:322 (1,2) - 四个重音却用两个距离这么近的滑条就直接带过去了，在我看来不如00:29:013 (6,7) - 变成滑条，这里全用单点
  10. 00:34:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 这俩尾巴加二连简直违和感爆棚了
  11. 00:35:328 (7) - 尾巴重音
  12. 00:37:174 (4) - 这直接把24clap给带过去了
  13. 00:40:405 - 我不太懂这里为什么是跟红线
  14. 00:40:559 - 这个点不建议无视
  15. 00:44:734 - ^
  16. 00:49:064 (5) - 然而这里更适合用两个单点，00:48:755 (3,4) - 反而适合用滑条
  17. 00:50:765 (3,4,5) - 莫名的三连
  18. 00:52:312 (5) - 这个1/4滑条没什么意义啊，我还是听不到这里有三连
  19. 00:57:724 (1,2,3,4) - kiai中间突然断开一堆单点，主要我不觉得这里有太大的节奏区别，你这堆空格有要突出什么的意思吗？
  20. 01:01:590 -
  21. 01:03:600 (6) - ……上次就和你说过这种滑条少拉，你这里突然一个四点滑条和整个图一比就相当突兀
  22. 01:08:085 (1,1,1) - 意义不明的NC，而且这堆1/4折返也是相当的不合曲
  23. 01:10:095 (6,6) - 这种都改用滑条
  24. 01:14:425 (1,2) - 这里听音乐明显更应该用串而不是跟vocal
  25. 01:21:229 (3) - 也是意义不明的1/4折返，这里有1/4鼓点吗？不要随便脑补节奏啊
回头看了下整个mod，感觉问题反而不是你找我时候提到的排列问题，而主要都是节奏问题；
整个diff看下来，你主要还是在map the vocal而不是map the music，作为最高难度你的节奏空挡反而莫名其妙，还是得苦练基本功啊；
柚子的insane，就是那个insane的GD的节奏和排列下的就都不错，你可以好好地参考一下；
至于排列，最基础的就是重音放跳，节奏平缓不怎么变的地方可以保持差不多的间距，另外就是多利用梗来保持你的图的趣味性，遮挡要适量但不要过度，overlap也就是物件直接的部分重叠要看看是否影响游戏等等；

总结就是这图质量还不过关，好好加油吧，good luck~
FreeSongs
502 posts
Joined November 2012
FreeSongs

Crystal wrote:

[FreeSongs' Hard]
Overall, i think things like 00:54:167 (5,6) - 01:09:477 (4,5) - 01:10:714 (2,3) - are somehow unnecessary, consider simplifying these patterns to make it easier to read. Fixed the last two. I didn't change 00:54:167 (5,6) - because I think they fit music perfectly
00:18:188 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Isn't it a bit hard for a "Hard" diff? You are absolutely right ;_;. But I will keep them for now. If it is really an unrankable issue, I will definitely change it.
00:49:528 (2) - NC 加了
01:03:600 (4) - Ctrl+G, i dont come up with any idea about using this. 01:03:446 (3,4) - 和前面的这里00:53:549 (3,4) - 是一样的距离. 我的想法是做个跳去突出这两个重音;w;
01:17:982 - Missing a beat here, maybe. 这里应该跟00:11:229 - 是一样的. 我为了简化节奏就没有下
01:26:332 (2) - 380|124? Adjust the next object if you accept this. 好;w;

Kencho wrote:

[FreeSongs' Hard]
  1. 這HP7也太誇張了吧，比Insane還要高，而且還是每隔兩條大白線才NC一次，改成5吧 改成5了

  2. AiMod裡面，物件的結尾沒有對齊時間軸！ 00:10:596 Fixed

  3. 00:09:528 (1) - 雖然這滑條拉的挺好，但還是建議這裡放個轉盤比較好，讓榜上的分數可以多點變化 感觉转盘不能体现出歌里的感觉所以先保留;w;
    00:53:703 (4,5) - 這節奏錯了吧，00:54:013 - 是重音不該放滑條尾，所以45節奏互換就好了，先一個1/2滑條再一個1/1的 Fixed

  4. nice diff Thank you!!
Thanks for the mods! :)

突然发现忘了给星;w; 赶紧补上. 加油qwq

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296,132,25147,2,0,L|384:140,1,70,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
412,68,25456,1,0,0:0:0:0:
412,68,25611,6,0,P|396:116|420:216,1,140,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
480,248,26075,1,0,0:0:0:0:
404,280,26229,2,0,P|356:288|308:288,1,70
284,224,26539,2,0,P|332:216|380:216,1,70,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
324,364,26848,2,0,P|276:336|272:244,1,140,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
188,292,27312,2,0,P|140:296|96:292,1,70,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
36,272,27621,1,0,0:0:0:0:
115,225,27776,2,0,P|119:273|115:317,1,70,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
36,272,28085,6,0,L|0:344,2,70,0|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
28,168,28549,2,0,P|80:188|128:112,1,140
56,88,29013,2,0,P|24:76|-4:40,1,70,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
132,52,29322,5,4,0:0:0:0:
164,132,29477,1,0,0:0:0:0:
240,92,29631,1,8,0:0:0:0:
316,128,29786,1,12,0:0:0:0:
316,128,30095,2,0,L|392:116,2,70,0|8|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
268,196,30559,6,0,P|216:200|184:192,1,70,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
120,220,30866,2,0,P|172:216|204:224,1,70,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
236,288,31174,1,0,0:0:0:0:
200,364,31328,1,0,0:0:0:0:
264,312,31482,2,0,L|333:308,1,70,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
400,364,31789,2,0,P|368:308|392:228,1,140,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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274,51,37174,2,0,L|136:68,1,140,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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384,224,39635,2,0,P|332:216|236:224,1,140,12|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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92,264,40405,6,0,L|96:116,1,140,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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184,108,41178,2,0,L|100:116,1,70,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
236,172,41487,2,0,P|292:160|308:68,1,140
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396,168,42415,1,0,0:0:0:0:
396,168,42569,1,8,0:0:0:0:
248,248,42879,6,0,B|296:252|340:232|340:232|372:256|408:248,1,140,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
232,324,43497,2,0,B|184:328|140:308|140:308|108:332|72:324,1,140,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
84,244,43961,1,0,0:0:0:0:
84,244,44116,2,0,L|48:380,1,140,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
16,184,44734,2,0,P|56:160|104:160,1,70
144,100,45044,2,0,P|103:77|79:35,1,70,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
8,45,45353,6,0,P|20:101|8:209,1,140,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
172,248,45972,1,0,0:0:0:0:
172,248,46126,2,0,P|168:196|172:156,1,70,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
208,104,46435,2,0,P|256:92|308:180,1,140
364,220,46899,2,0,P|428:220|460:216,1,70,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
288,264,47209,2,0,P|224:264|192:268,1,70
364,308,47518,1,8,0:0:0:0:
364,308,47673,1,0,0:0:0:0:
280,348,47827,6,0,P|224:320|332:188,1,308.000009399414,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
412,232,48600,1,8,0:0:0:0:
476,168,48755,1,8,0:0:0:0:
448,80,48910,1,8,0:0:0:0:
348,92,49064,6,0,P|292:96|244:88,1,77.0000023498536,12|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,88,49528,5,12,0:0:0:0:
248,80,50301,6,0,P|252:144|192:232,1,154.000004699707,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
120,240,50765,2,0,P|124:188|144:156,1,77.0000023498536
180,308,51075,2,0,P|132:332|88:328,1,77.0000023498536,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
216,220,51384,1,0,0:0:0:0:
216,220,51539,2,0,P|264:216|336:312,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
364,372,52002,2,0,P|316:376|244:280,1,154.000004699707
292,224,52466,2,0,L|304:128,1,77.0000023498536,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
392,124,52776,6,0,L|372:280,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
301,147,53240,2,0,P|241:143|201:147,1,77.0000023498536
140,180,53549,1,0,0:0:0:0:
292,224,53703,2,0,P|364:192|376:168,1,77.0000023498536,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
376,84,54013,2,0,P|308:104|220:76,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
100,96,54477,2,0,P|108:64|220:56,1,154.000004699707
188,152,54941,1,8,0:0:0:0:
188,152,55250,6,0,L|28:136,1,154.000004699707,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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260,220,56487,2,0,P|300:260|296:352,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
400,308,56951,1,0,0:0:0:0:
400,308,57106,2,0,L|508:300,1,77.0000023498536
448,216,57415,2,0,L|340:224,1,77.0000023498536,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
308,156,57724,6,0,B|346:195|346:195|444:188,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
332,44,58343,2,0,B|293:4|293:4|195:11,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
132,80,58807,1,0,0:0:0:0:
84,156,58961,2,0,P|44:180|-4:184,1,77.0000023498536
12,276,59270,2,0,P|49:284|81:305,1,77.0000023498536,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
148,368,59580,2,0,P|172:372|200:368,3,38.5000011749268
232,348,59889,2,0,P|288:336|368:368,1,115.50000352478,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
388,376,60198,6,0,P|432:360|428:240,1,154.000004699707,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
408,184,60662,2,0,L|424:272,1,77.0000023498536
316,200,60972,2,0,P|320:152|344:116,1,77.0000023498536,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
404,68,61281,1,0,0:0:0:0:
316,100,61435,2,0,P|256:104|252:20,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
336,16,61899,2,0,P|344:92|336:176,1,154.000004699707
324,260,62363,1,8,0:0:0:0:
324,260,62518,1,0,0:0:0:0:
252,204,62673,6,0,P|204:188|76:216,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
20,240,63136,2,0,L|8:316,1,77.0000023498536
76,380,63446,1,0,0:0:0:0:
236,352,63600,2,0,L|160:340,1,77.0000023498536,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
312,304,63910,2,0,B|382:314|382:314|416:352|484:356,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
464,260,64374,2,0,P|464:200|472:164,1,77.0000023498536
496,96,64683,1,0,0:0:0:0:
353,136,64837,1,8,0:0:0:0:
353,136,65147,6,0,L|200:140,1,154.000004699707,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
112,112,65611,2,0,P|148:64|248:60,1,154.000004699707
199,140,66075,2,0,L|183:248,1,77.0000023498536,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
236,296,66384,1,0,0:0:0:0:
308,236,66539,2,0,P|352:236|404:256,2,77.0000023498536,0|8|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
236,296,67002,2,0,P|176:308|136:296,1,77.0000023498536
84,216,67312,2,0,P|122:213|158:225,1,77.0000023498536,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
96,376,67621,6,0,P|75:343|66:306,1,77.0000023498536
84,216,67930,1,8,0:0:0:0:
160,164,68085,2,0,L|240:152,1,77.0000023498536
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152,76,68703,1,0,0:0:0:0:
152,76,68858,6,0,P|208:64|244:44,1,77.0000023498536
260,24,69090,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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320,200,69786,2,0,L|284:92,1,77.0000023498536,12|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
376,252,70095,6,0,P|344:272|244:200,1,154.000004699707,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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160,168,71023,2,0,P|108:172|72:160,1,77.0000023498536,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
232,120,71332,2,0,L|256:300,1,154.000004699707,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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242,97,73188,2,0,P|241:59|256:24,1,77.0000023498536
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352,296,74116,2,0,P|318:277|295:247,1,77.0000023498536,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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216,352,76281,6,0,L|368:356,1,140,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
440,208,76899,2,0,L|344:216,1,70,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
292,176,77209,2,0,L|196:184,1,70,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
148,124,77518,6,0,P|128:188|40:216,1,154.000004699707,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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424,256,79374,2,0,L|268:252,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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64,380,83549,1,0,0:0:0:0:
72,288,83703,2,0,P|68:216|8:164,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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360,222,86642,6,0,B|360:219|344:259|296:267|296:267|248:255|204:271|204:271|180:243|192:203|192:203|228:179|292:191,1,350,12|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
Misure
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Misure

Minakami Yuki wrote:

As mapper's request to have a look on the Sora diff.
*以下言辞可能会有吐槽、不耐烦等心情在内，主要个人遇到点情况，不过言辞不当的地方还请勿过度在意

Sora
  1. 00:00:869 (1,2,3,4,5) - 就以开头举例，滑条的主要部分是滑条头，它能完全体现在游戏时的距离感，你这里1到5的距离是越来越小的，然后下一段又突然跳开，打起来的感觉就不好 所以开DS么
  2. 整个开头部分到转盘前的滑条摆放没什么规律 没想法
  3. 00:10:456 (1,2,1) - 这里其实可以做个跳，跟着ds摆反而不和谐 唔，没想法
  4. 00:10:765 (1,2) - 这个距离打起来我个人觉得是挺不舒服的，主要这个停顿的感觉不太好吧，我觉得还是把1做成1/2滑条比较合适
  5. 00:11:847 (4,5,1) - 这个三连很突兀，然后后面隔着一拍的00:12:002 (1,2) - 摆的又很近，没有很好的间距感，建议要么把1改成1/2滑条，要么把2摆远点。整一段都比较类似，我就不一一写了 嗯
  6. 00:18:188 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - 当中一个三角00:19:116 (1,2,3) - 的角度突然往上，打起来的flow瞬间就觉得不好了。另外这一段单点可以做得再有点变化，全是三角的梗虽然不是不行但可以变间距啊什么的对不对？我随便摆了个变间距跳： 这我确实没有好想法，唉http://puu.sh/iyyzU/185e22dd88.jpg, http://puu.sh/iyyAV/b342b70d63.jpg
  7. 00:22:131 (2) - 00:24:374 (1,2,3) - 整张图类似这样没必要的overmap太多了，这歌1/2多啊，你overmap也就算了还专门在滑条尾后面加二连，这不是要人不舒服吗？我不理解啊...感觉美酒
  8. 00:22:827 (6) - 00:25:456 (6) - 重音不要放在滑条尾，vocal虽然是从每一拍的红线开始的但这样下节奏不利于玩家打图。就以这段为例：00:24:374 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 你把24clap和重音部分全部放在尾巴上打一下，再按照这么下节奏：http://puu.sh/iyz51/c435355226.jpg 来打一下，你自己感受下哪种更加舒服。嗯
  9. 00:29:322 (1,2) - 四个重音却用两个距离这么近的滑条就直接带过去了，在我看来不如00:29:013 (6,7) - 变成滑条，这里全用单点 好
  10. 00:34:251 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 这俩尾巴加二连简直违和感爆棚了 ...我怎么一点感觉都没
  11. 00:35:328 (7) - 尾巴重音 嗯
  12. 00:37:174 (4) - 这直接把24clap给带过去了 原来不行的啊...
  13. 00:40:405 - 我不太懂这里为什么是跟红线 跟了vocal啊..不好么
  14. 00:40:559 - 这个点不建议无视 节奏变了想放掉
  15. 00:44:734 - ^ 加了
  16. 00:49:064 (5) - 然而这里更适合用两个单点，00:48:755 (3,4) - 反而适合用滑条 感受不出来
  17. 00:50:765 (3,4,5) - 莫名的三连 听不出有什么差别...
  18. 00:52:312 (5) - 这个1/4滑条没什么意义啊，我还是听不到这里有三连 ^
  19. 00:57:724 (1,2,3,4) - kiai中间突然断开一堆单点，主要我不觉得这里有太大的节奏区别，你这堆空格有要突出什么的意思吗？单点加finishi强调vocal 但是他们都说摆的不好
  20. 01:01:590 - 嗯
  21. 01:03:600 (6) - ……上次就和你说过这种滑条少拉，你这里突然一个四点滑条和整个图一比就相当突兀 flow甩不下去啊QAQ 我想想吧
  22. 01:08:085 (1,1,1) - 意义不明的NC，而且这堆1/4折返也是相当的不合曲 为什么你们都和我听到的不一样，我听着就应该是这样的啊QAQ 我想想吧..
  23. 01:10:095 (6,6) - 这种都改用滑条 思考一下
  24. 01:14:425 (1,2) - 这里听音乐明显更应该用串而不是跟vocal 嗯
  25. 01:21:229 (3) - 也是意义不明的1/4折返，这里有1/4鼓点吗？不要随便脑补节奏啊 嗯，我感受不出来..
回头看了下整个mod，感觉问题反而不是你找我时候提到的排列问题，而主要都是节奏问题；
整个diff看下来，你主要还是在map the vocal而不是map the music，作为最高难度你的节奏空挡反而莫名其妙，还是得苦练基本功啊；
柚子的insane，就是那个insane的GD的节奏和排列下的就都不错，你可以好好地参考一下；
至于排列，最基础的就是重音放跳，节奏平缓不怎么变的地方可以保持差不多的间距，另外就是多利用梗来保持你的图的趣味性，遮挡要适量但不要过度，overlap也就是物件直接的部分重叠要看看是否影响游戏等等；

总结就是这图质量还不过关，好好加油吧，good luck~
多谢M酱耐心的指教，但是我感觉我不适合作图啊，节奏和你们听到的基本上完全不一样，
总之先放置play了，多谢指教
Misure
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Misure
嗯
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Misure
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Misure

FreeSongs wrote:

突然发现忘了给星;w; 赶紧补上. 加油qwq
谢啦
Fushimi Rio
Fushimi Rio
节奏主要还是看个人喜好 没有什么适合不适合作图 跟vocal没有错 只不过和群众喜闻乐见的不一样而已（当然跟vocal也可以有所调整 这是题外话
另外新人没想法很正常 做做别的图回过头来看说不定就有想法了 先放一放也没什么
Koiyuki
2,531 posts
Joined March 2013
Koiyuki

imoutosan wrote:

节奏主要还是看个人喜好 没有什么适合不适合作图 跟vocal没有错 只不过和群众喜闻乐见的不一样而已（当然跟vocal也可以有所调整 这是题外话
另外新人没想法很正常 做做别的图回过头来看说不定就有想法了 先放一放也没什么
跟vocal的确没有错，不过我认为还是要有主次调整，选合适的跟而不是全部跟
没想法的话先放一放呗，我现在作图也是有时候会没想法，回头看看就突然又有点子了

Misure wrote:

多谢M酱耐心的指教，但是我感觉我不适合作图啊，节奏和你们听到的基本上完全不一样，
总之先放置play了，多谢指教
没有不适合作图的人，只是你的经历还比较少，多学习一下总是没有错的，你打图也不是上来就能打insane，自然作图也不是开始就能做神图的
关键都是不要半途而废
Misure
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Topic Starter
Misure

imoutosan wrote:

节奏主要还是看个人喜好 没有什么适合不适合作图 跟vocal没有错 只不过和群众喜闻乐见的不一样而已（当然跟vocal也可以有所调整 这是题外话
另外新人没想法很正常 做做别的图回过头来看说不定就有想法了 先放一放也没什么
嗯 谢谢w

Minakami Yuki wrote:

没有不适合作图的人，只是你的经历还比较少，多学习一下总是没有错的，你打图也不是上来就能打insane，自然作图也不是开始就能做神图的
关键都是不要半途而废
嗯，最近打图比较爽+考试周，回头再搞搞看，不会半途而废的;w;

多谢关照
Shad0w1and
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Joined April 2011
Shad0w1and
no kds
offset小于1帧，没仔细测，直接用应该没问题
http://puu.sh/izDCR/45eb6b1bae.flv
Misure
951 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
Misure

Shad0w1and wrote:

no kds
offset小于1帧，没仔细测，直接用应该没问题
http://puu.sh/izDCR/45eb6b1bae.flv
太感谢了>w<
MusHi
15 posts
Joined December 2010
MusHi
隔了这么久只水摸了个normal，实在抱歉><






Normal
00:11:075 - 这里还是填个note比较好吧

00:18:343 (1) - 这个spinner开始的比较没依据..
我觉得这个spinner要起也是在00:18:188 - 这里起，但从这里起也有点问题。
因为00:18:188 (7) - 这个点的鼓和人声是重合的，人声是上一段的结束，鼓点却是新一段的开始
由于人声在这里结束，所以在这里起spin也很怪。
所以我觉得最好的方法是不要spinner，弄点note重新填充下。

00:20:662 (1) - 这个滑条y轴提到84的话梗更美观些

01:00:662 - 这红线上有歌词,,既然后边有类似梗[ 01:01:435 (4,5) - ]你在红线填了个circle，
这里不妨也填一个

01:26:178 (3) - 最后的滑条路径上有很明显的节奏，所以我觉得还是不要用滑条一笔带过，
01:26:332 - 结束滑条然后在 01:26:642 - 放circle更好

整张谱都有个不大不小的问题:在同一段梗里最好不要变轨，想跟人声/跟伴奏就跟到底更好
Misure
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Misure

MusHi wrote:

隔了这么久只水摸了个normal，实在抱歉><
隔了这么久才回摸，实在抱歉><






Normal
00:11:075 - 这里还是填个note比较好吧 试了一下感觉放在转盘后面很容易反应不过来

00:18:343 (1) - 这个spinner开始的比较没依据..
我觉得这个spinner要起也是在00:18:188 - 这里起，但从这里起也有点问题。
因为00:18:188 (7) - 这个点的鼓和人声是重合的，人声是上一段的结束，鼓点却是新一段的开始
由于人声在这里结束，所以在这里起spin也很怪。
所以我觉得最好的方法是不要spinner，弄点note重新填充下。我还是先保持现在这样吧(实际上是懒了)

00:20:662 (1) - 这个滑条y轴提到84的话梗更美观些 好

01:00:662 - 这红线上有歌词,,既然后边有类似梗[ 01:01:435 (4,5) - ]你在红线填了个circle，
这里不妨也填一个 不了 因为那个歌词两个字差2分拍， 这个差1分拍，有点区别，我觉得现在这样打这还是挺顺的(大概)

01:26:178 (3) - 最后的滑条路径上有很明显的节奏，所以我觉得还是不要用滑条一笔带过，
01:26:332 - 结束滑条然后在 01:26:642 - 放circle更好 不了，结尾我想舒缓一下，所以其它diff(和GD)也是类似的形式

整张谱都有个不大不小的问题:在同一段梗里最好不要变轨，想跟人声/跟伴奏就跟到底更好 嗯嗯嗯意识到了...谢提醒
感谢mod！ :)
Karen
2,860 posts
Joined August 2013
Karen
现在像你这样能坚持的mapper真的很少了，而且insane又看了一遍感觉比以前好了很多，我会负责这图直到Bubble :3 有空了来mod
加油~先给个星标支持下。

先尽量找点mod
Misure
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Misure

Karen wrote:

现在像你这样能坚持的mapper真的很少了，而且insane又看了一遍感觉比以前好了很多，我会负责这图直到Bubble :3 有空了来mod
加油~先给个星标支持下。

先尽量找点mod
谢谢人格~
坚持是因为拖着3个GD和以前求的一堆摸下水，实在是过意不过...
（虽然水平还是差很多就是了QAQ）

谢人格支持！ :)
sjoy
1,023 posts
Joined April 2012
sjoy
[Cloud's Easy]
fine for me:3
[Normal]
00:28:549 (2,3) - 我感觉合并成一个长滑条比较好点
00:37:789 (4) - 延长1/2
00:48:755 (2,3) - 我觉得没必要这样，要么2个单点要么1个滑条
01:16:281 (3) - 换成1/2滑条感觉挺好的
01:26:178 (3) - 可以这样先来个1/2滑条
01:26:642 这个时间点来个3/2滑条
[FreeSongs' Hard]
try to add some whis before 00:09:528 ?
fine for me :3
[wkyik's Insane] 还叫卡哇伊阿
00:09:219 (5,6) -干嘛叠阿
00:18:033 (8) - 也变成1/4条子阿
00:40:405 (1,2) - 叠起来肯定是偷懒了
00:49:528 (1) - 减个速如何
[Sora]
00:01:951 (4,3) - 以我看法是这种位置要么 完全重复 要么就完全分离，这种相交对我来说感觉不是很好，后面类似就不说了
00:08:291 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 这里可以尝试2个一组NC 感觉挺好的
00:20:353 (4,5) - 粘太近了感觉不是很好
00:30:405 (3,1) - 这种FLOW 感觉不是很好，流向的问题，你从3到1是有向上的趋势，1的滑条又是向下趋势的，试试看顺转75滑条方向
00:41:178 (4,1) - 节奏感觉不是很好，试试看1/2+单店+1/2 后面的空拍让人感觉有点怪
00:45:353 (1,2) - 合并成一个滑条
01:15:044 (1,2) - 这种时间间隔很长的的节奏，可以试试2个紧密摆列，
01:21:229 (3) - 这个折返感觉不合适

总的感觉给是就是非常多的折返，对于折返滑条来说我个人不是非常爱用，在我看来
开头和结尾的折返还能接受，但是KIAI部分我觉得有点过了，KIAI就是给人飞的感觉（雾）
你可以试试拆分成单点和滑条
然后就没了，早日RANK吧
FreeSongs
502 posts
Joined November 2012
FreeSongs

sjoy wrote:

[FreeSongs' Hard]
try to add some whis before 00:09:528 ? added
fine for me :3
Thanks for your mod!!

话说你这图又开始搞了啊;w; 加油啊!!
Good Luck! ><

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Misure
951 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
Misure

sjoy wrote:

[Cloud's Easy]
fine for me:3
[Normal]
00:28:549 (2,3) - 我感觉合并成一个长滑条比较好点 我不想两个滑条之间隔二分拍 这里如果隔一分拍和vocal之间的违和感又太强了 不改了
00:37:789 (4) - 延长1/2 ^ 而且感觉那样跟轨就乱了..
00:48:755 (2,3) - 我觉得没必要这样，要么2个单点要么1个滑条 因为同时跟vocal和鼓点 所以那四点都得要有拍子(不知道理解对不对)
01:16:281 (3) - 换成1/2滑条感觉挺好的 和第一条一个理由,不想两个滑条之间隔二分拍...
01:26:178 (3) - 可以这样先来个1/2滑条
01:26:642 这个时间点来个3/2滑条 最后这两条你一提醒我突然想起来 好像有规定同mapper的不同diffdrain time要相同来着...改了
[FreeSongs' Hard]
try to add some whis before 00:09:528 ?
fine for me :3
[wkyik's Insane] 还叫卡哇伊阿
00:09:219 (5,6) -干嘛叠阿
00:18:033 (8) - 也变成1/4条子阿
00:40:405 (1,2) - 叠起来肯定是偷懒了
00:49:528 (1) - 减个速如何
[Sora]
00:01:951 (4,3) - 以我看法是这种位置要么 完全重复 要么就完全分离，这种相交对我来说感觉不是很好，后面类似就不说了 主要是被DS限制住了...先保持这样吧(中规中矩开DS)
00:08:291 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 这里可以尝试2个一组NC 感觉挺好的 好
00:20:353 (4,5) - 粘太近了感觉不是很好 以前有人跟我提过 不过我还是感觉分离太远有点难 分离不太远有点不好看 所以还是开了1.0DS...如果再有人提我在思考一下吧...
00:30:405 (3,1) - 这种FLOW 感觉不是很好，流向的问题，你从3到1是有向上的趋势，1的滑条又是向下趋势的，试试看顺转75滑条方向 嗯
00:41:178 (4,1) - 节奏感觉不是很好，试试看1/2+单店+1/2 后面的空拍让人感觉有点怪 改了 这段的空拍是因为感觉节奏舒缓了所以为了强行空拍就强跟了vocal...
00:45:353 (1,2) - 合并成一个滑条 不了
01:15:044 (1,2) - 这种时间间隔很长的的节奏，可以试试2个紧密摆列， 我发现你说的很有道理...但是后面的排列 空间完全被限制了...容我想想办法..
01:21:229 (3) - 这个折返感觉不合适 好 改了

总的感觉给是就是非常多的折返，对于折返滑条来说我个人不是非常爱用，在我看来
开头和结尾的折返还能接受，但是KIAI部分我觉得有点过了，KIAI就是给人飞的感觉（雾）
你可以试试拆分成单点和滑条 最开始是跟vocal所以有不少折返 后来改了一部分 实际上也是因为我现在(的水平)只能填满1/2 又不能从排列上搞出花样所以就节奏上加点折返了...终归是水平不行 不过飞飞也不坏吧(大概)
然后就没了，早日RANK吧
谢mod! :)
Misure
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Misure

FreeSongs wrote:

sjoy wrote:

[FreeSongs' Hard]
try to add some whis before 00:09:528 ? added
fine for me :3
Thanks for your mod!!

话说你这图又开始搞了啊;w; 加油啊!!
Good Luck! ><

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20,240,63136,2,0,L|8:316,1,77.0000023498536
76,380,63446,1,0,0:0:0:0:
236,352,63600,2,0,L|160:340,1,77.0000023498536,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
312,304,63910,2,0,B|382:314|382:314|416:352|484:356,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
464,260,64374,2,0,P|464:200|472:164,1,77.0000023498536
496,96,64683,1,0,0:0:0:0:
353,136,64837,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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199,140,66075,2,0,L|183:248,1,77.0000023498536,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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84,216,67930,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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260,24,69090,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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160,168,71023,2,0,P|108:172|72:160,1,77.0000023498536,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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484,60,72569,6,0,L|324:80,1,154.000004699707,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
242,97,73033,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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228,188,73497,2,0,P|195:207|157:212,1,77.0000023498536,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
320,160,73807,2,0,P|353:178|376:208,1,77.0000023498536
352,296,74116,2,0,P|318:277|295:247,1,77.0000023498536,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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300,88,74734,6,0,L|148:84,1,140,8|4,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
216,352,76281,6,0,L|368:356,1,140,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
440,208,76899,2,0,L|344:216,1,70,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
292,176,77209,2,0,L|196:184,1,70,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
148,124,77518,6,0,P|128:188|40:216,1,154.000004699707,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
220,288,78136,2,0,P|200:224|112:196,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
44,244,78600,1,0,0:0:0:0:
96,320,78755,2,0,L|252:324,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
424,256,79374,2,0,L|268:252,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
192,204,79837,1,0,0:0:0:0:
276,164,79992,6,0,P|332:144|324:40,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
156,36,80611,2,0,L|332:44,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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456,148,81229,2,0,P|460:220|456:244,1,77.0000023498536
420,308,81539,1,8,0:0:0:0:
384,224,81693,2,0,P|452:224|512:312,1,154.000004699707
420,308,82157,2,0,P|380:316|332:300,1,77.0000023498536,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
288,236,82466,6,0,L|332:64,1,154.000004699707,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
192,212,83085,2,0,L|148:384,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
64,380,83549,1,0,0:0:0:0:
72,288,83703,2,0,P|68:216|8:164,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
192,148,84322,2,0,P|143:205|68:210,1,154.000004699707,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
24,132,84786,1,0,0:0:0:0:
88,68,84941,6,0,L|164:60,2,77.0000023498536,0|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
140,144,85405,1,0,0:0:0:0:
200,212,85559,2,0,L|264:204,3,38.5000011749268,8|0|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
236,128,85868,2,0,L|300:120,3,38.5000011749268,8|0|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
280,48,86178,5,8,0:0:0:0:
348,108,86332,2,0,L|364:252,1,115.50000352478,12|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
360,222,86642,6,0,B|360:219|344:259|296:267|296:267|248:255|204:271|204:271|180:243|192:203|192:203|228:179|292:191,1,350,12|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
蟹蟹蟹蟹蟹 :)
Wing My Way
186 posts
Joined September 2013
Wing My Way
Orz不是我不想mod，先占个坑。刚清了几个mod list，实在太困惹;w;明天再给你
Rizia
3,114 posts
Joined January 2012
Rizia

sjoy wrote:

[wkyik's Insane] 还叫卡哇伊阿
00:09:219 (5,6) -干嘛叠阿 不是挺好的嗎
00:18:033 (8) - 也变成1/4条子阿 好像有點太難了
00:40:405 (1,2) - 叠起来肯定是偷懒了 不 原意是想疊的 做這個diff前做過一個對稱圖也疊了
00:49:528 (1) - 减个速如何 我覺得現在挺好
thanks for mod雖然沒fix
Narcissu
1,744 posts
Joined August 2012
Narcissu
加上1000的AudioLeadIn ? 位置在osu 文件裏第二行，作用是增加前置時間防止玩家來不及反應

歐派都好大 。-。

[Normal]

00:03:343 - 一般長白線放開頭吧……NC也是換在這裡

00:35:482 - ^ 另外後面僅僅兩個物件就放了一次NC不太適合【

00:12:003 - soft-hitclap 我認為放二四弱拍比較適合，用normal-hitnormal那種，比較混，音色重時值長會好一點的感覺……在左上角的samplest 可以方便的切換

00:23:137 (1) - 我看你之後的長白線都放了whistle，可能這邊你漏了，另外00:27:930 - 這種既然重音切紅線了，whistle 也加在紅線即可

[Sora]

下一次想要跟人聲的話可以參考這個圖的kiai 部分 …… 也就是點擊對於聲樂，利用滑條尾填充空拍的方式。另外我也是人聲優先的mapper

00:01:951 - 00:03:188 - 按音樂看重音是切到紅線上面的，NC和whistle都換到這裡。當然繼續放長白線毫無問題，像00:13:085 (4,1) - 也是旋律和鼓點錯開……但是作為自創的節奏來說我很不贊同這樣。畢竟對於大眾來說，聽到什麼點什麼才是合曲

00:09:528 (1) - 物件裏面卡一個短轉盤有點坑的感覺……參考freesongs 拉個滑條麼？

00:15:869 (2,4) - 圈和滑條尾打完會有300 的圖標會擋住折返箭頭所以間隔時間短的一般是unrank的……

00:43:652 - 這邊空拍太多了，雖然人聲很稀但是大部分紅線仍然有鼓點和貝斯在。對高難度來說空拍比較影響手感。降低DS多用滑條即可……相對的kiai 雖然有1.2*的SV，實際上全部刪掉也几乎不影響星級……和sjoy 說的一樣kiai 應該就是要飛的【喂喂

01:12:569 (1) - 我個人是不喜歡白線尤其是長白線overmap 放1/4的

01:16:281 (2) - NC ?

01:26:178 (1) - 這兩個音都是finish 所以我傾向是兩個圈放跳而不是個減速滑條，後面空拍換成anti-jump 即可
Misure
951 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
Misure

Narcissu wrote:

加上1000的AudioLeadIn ? 位置在osu 文件裏第二行，作用是增加前置時間防止玩家來不及反應 好（其实我个人没听出有什么区别QAQ）

歐派都好大 。-。

[Normal]

00:03:343 - 一般長白線放開頭吧……NC也是換在這裡 好

00:35:482 - ^ 另外後面僅僅兩個物件就放了一次NC不太適合【好

00:12:003 - soft-hitclap 我認為放二四弱拍比較適合，用normal-hitnormal那種，比較混，音色重時值長會好一點的感覺……在左上角的samplest 可以方便的切換

00:23:137 (1) - 我看你之後的長白線都放了whistle，可能這邊你漏了，另外00:27:930 - 這種既然重音切紅線了，whistle 也加在紅線即可 好

[Sora]

下一次想要跟人聲的話可以參考這個圖的kiai 部分 …… 也就是點擊對於聲樂，利用滑條尾填充空拍的方式。另外我也是人聲優先的mapper 好 多谢指教

00:01:951 - 00:03:188 - 按音樂看重音是切到紅線上面的，NC和whistle都換到這裡。當然繼續放長白線毫無問題，像00:13:085 (4,1) - 也是旋律和鼓點錯開……但是作為自創的節奏來說我很不贊同這樣。畢竟對於大眾來說，聽到什麼點什麼才是合曲 那就保留了先

00:09:528 (1) - 物件裏面卡一個短轉盤有點坑的感覺……參考freesongs 拉個滑條麼？学柚子放了个转盘...主要是我拉不出那种很炫酷的滑条Orz 先不改了

00:15:869 (2,4) - 圈和滑條尾打完會有300 的圖標會擋住折返箭頭所以間隔時間短的一般是unrank的…… 诶诶诶，这个问题很严重么 伤脑筋...
00:43:652 - 這邊空拍太多了，雖然人聲很稀但是大部分紅線仍然有鼓點和貝斯在。對高難度來說空拍比較影響手感。降低DS多用滑條即可……相對的kiai 雖然有1.2*的SV，實際上全部刪掉也几乎不影響星級……和sjoy 說的一樣kiai 應該就是要飛的【喂喂 唔...这好纠结 总之先填了几个空拍

01:12:569 (1) - 我個人是不喜歡白線尤其是長白線overmap 放1/4的 好 改了

01:16:281 (2) - NC ? 好

01:26:178 (1) - 這兩個音都是finish 所以我傾向是兩個圈放跳而不是個減速滑條，後面空拍換成anti-jump 即可 我挺喜欢现在这个效果的
多谢mod！
Equim
335 posts
Joined June 2014
Equim
[Metadata]
标题还是首字母大写比较好：http://vgmdb.net/album/48322
也就是Rocket*Ride

[Sora]
把Widescreen Support勾掉，因为没有SB。
01:26:642 (1) - 建议在01:27:106 - 停下来就行了，拖太长有点奇怪。
Misure
951 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
Misure

Equim wrote:

[Metadata]
标题还是首字母大写比较好：http://vgmdb.net/album/48322
也就是Rocket*Ride 好

[Sora]
把Widescreen Support勾掉，因为没有SB。fixed
01:26:642 (1) - 建议在01:27:106 - 停下来就行了，拖太长有点奇怪。 我还是感觉那点前面有拖音 想试试这个样子的...
十分感谢！ :)
Karen
2,860 posts
Joined August 2013
Karen
来了来了
下面写的如果有不想改的，可以随意拒绝，但是最好写理由

Sora


  • 整个图我个人感觉主要问题是flow，虽然flow是各有所好，但是一些很基础的flow肯定要反复的使用的，这些基础都是靠反复看别人的图学习来的
  1. 00:07:054 (1,3) - 这折返箭头被挡住了，虽然我觉得没事，但是保险起见还是改下
  2. 00:15:869 (2,4) - ^
  3. 00:11:075 (2,3) - 这两个滑条的flow不好，因为第一个滑条尾巴指的方向是下面，然后根据这个滑条弯曲的弧度，下一个物件出现的最佳地方应该是下面或者右下，所以可以试试这种，这是多个滑条时候经常使用的flow种类：
    SPOILER
  4. 00:12:003 (1,2,3) - ^ 后面类似的不说了
  5. 00:21:281 (3,4,5,6) - 这样的一条直线，不是不可以，但是有点无聊，这里很明显可以适当做一些小跳，比如这样，当然如果改的话后面的排版都要一起改：
    SPOILER
  6. 00:22:827 (5) - ctrl+j的话跟后面的圈的flow会好一点，还是滑条尾巴的指向问题
  7. 00:23:137 (1,2,3) - 这里也是，完全可以更有趣一点的，多用用锐角跳啊什么的
  8. 00:31:635 (5,1) - 这跳有点突然，这里是比较平和的一段
  9. 00:32:097 (2,3) - 这flow是直线的逆flow，很别手的，试试跟00:31:482 (4) - 这个叠一下
  10. 00:37:943 (1,2,5) - 看到这里我觉得，直线滑条用的真的太多了，滑条是flow转换的最重要的媒介，而弯的滑条比直的更加多变。
  11. 00:41:951 (3,4,5) - ^ 这几个直线滑条直接导致flow很差
  12. 00:49:142 - 这中间是overmap的啊，根本没音，这里两个音连着00:48:755 (3,4) - 大跳比较好
  13. 00:50:843 (4) - ^也是，delete
  14. 00:51:848 (2,3,4,5) - 这样的变距钝角并不好打啊，特别是板子玩家，后面也有很多这样的，锐角才好玩
  15. 00:50:765 (3,4,5) - 蓝tick上没明显音啊，这种overmap没有必要
  16. 00:54:941 (6) - ctrl+j 跟后面滑条的衔接更好
  17. 00:59:270 (2) - ctrl+g 试试，因为00:58:652 (7,2) - 这两个是一个方向的，逆向比较顺
  18. 00:59:502 - 到00:59:889 - 每个tick上都有明显的音，很适合摆串，但是你都跳过了，反而在01:00:121 - 这种地方overmap
  19. 01:01:126 (4,5,1,2) - 也是无聊的flow，而且没有表现01:01:435 (1) - 这地方的人声
  20. 01:07:002 (3,4,5,6) - ^
  21. 01:11:642 (1,2,3) - 都是直的;_;
  22. 后面都还可以
  23. 整个图还有的问题就是鼓点利用的太少了，能用的没有用上，没音的反而overmap了，比如01:17:286 - 01:17:441 - 等等等等等等，作图的时候一定要每个地方25%反复听，一是为了防止snap错，二是为了捕捉能用的鼓点

先这些，改完喊我再看看
Misure
951 posts
Joined September 2012
Topic Starter
Misure

Karen wrote:

来了来了
下面写的如果有不想改的，可以随意拒绝，但是最好写理由

Sora


  • 整个图我个人感觉主要问题是flow，虽然flow是各有所好，但是一些很基础的flow肯定要反复的使用的，这些基础都是靠反复看别人的图学习来的 嗯嗯
  1. 00:07:054 (1,3) - 这折返箭头被挡住了，虽然我觉得没事，但是保险起见还是改下 都改了 不过抓不好改之后的flow...你看下吧0.0
  2. 00:15:869 (2,4) - ^
  3. 00:11:075 (2,3) - 这两个滑条的flow不好，因为第一个滑条尾巴指的方向是下面，然后根据这个滑条弯曲的弧度，下一个物件出现的最佳地方应该是下面或者右下，所以可以试试这种，这是多个滑条时候经常使用的flow种类： 好好好
    SPOILER
  4. 00:12:003 (1,2,3) - ^ 后面类似的不说了
  5. 00:21:281 (3,4,5,6) - 这样的一条直线，不是不可以，但是有点无聊，这里很明显可以适当做一些小跳，比如这样，当然如果改的话后面的排版都要一起改：这个我感觉挺合vocal的 而且跟前面那组滑条配合感觉挺好 后面改了
    SPOILER
  6. 00:22:827 (5) - ctrl+j的话跟后面的圈的flow会好一点，还是滑条尾巴的指向问题 稍微改了 不知道怎么样
  7. 00:23:137 (1,2,3) - 这里也是，完全可以更有趣一点的，多用用锐角跳啊什么的
  8. 00:31:635 (5,1) - 这跳有点突然，这里是比较平和的一段
  9. 00:32:097 (2,3) - 这flow是直线的逆flow，很别手的，试试跟00:31:482 (4) - 这个叠一下 这几个位置改成别的形式了
  10. 00:37:943 (1,2,5) - 看到这里我觉得，直线滑条用的真的太多了，滑条是flow转换的最重要的媒介，而弯的滑条比直的更加多变。改了
  11. 00:41:951 (3,4,5) - ^ 这几个直线滑条直接导致flow很差 改了
  12. 00:49:142 - 这中间是overmap的啊，根本没音，这里两个音连着00:48:755 (3,4) - 大跳比较好 这个overmap很严重么 我是觉得这种感觉挺好的(虽然不少人觉得应该单点) 我还是想这样子的 如果问题很严重再改Orz
  13. 00:50:843 (4) - ^也是，delete kiai的开头我觉得应该有个这样的东西提一下气势...也是和柚子的diff一样 大概没有他的流畅 但还是想这样
  14. 00:51:848 (2,3,4,5) - 这样的变距钝角并不好打啊，特别是板子玩家，后面也有很多这样的，锐角才好玩 改了改
  15. 00:50:765 (3,4,5) - 蓝tick上没明显音啊，这种overmap没有必要 感觉爽啊QAQ
    (其实我一直想问来着...只有我打图时候听不到四分拍鼓点么QAQ 我是感觉 一个地方打着爽就好了(虽然多数情况下都是合曲才那样) 不过还是感觉少量overmap问题不大吧 这个求指点owo、)
  16. 00:54:941 (6) - ctrl+j 跟后面滑条的衔接更好 这里不太像跟flow 感觉这两点的vocal衔接不是很紧 长白线起一段新的flow没问题的吧 前面那一部分整体flow向下 这里再重新起一点 我是想这样
  17. 00:59:270 (2) - ctrl+g 试试，因为00:58:652 (7,2) - 这两个是一个方向的，逆向比较顺 其实我没太懂你的意思QAQ 这部分我的想法是 从00:57:724 - 整体flow上扬 00:59:116 (1) - N起整体flow向下 01:00:198 (1) - 然后finish音前面跳一下 这样的感觉没考虑细节部分的flow
  18. 00:59:502 - 到00:59:889 - 每个tick上都有明显的音，很适合摆串，但是你都跳过了，反而在01:00:121 - 这种地方overmap 啊咧 你这么说我是听出来了 不过这歌为什么在这里放4分音啊 我想下跳不想摆串啊QAQ 肿么办Orz 非得跟曲么
  19. 01:01:126 (4,5,1,2) - 也是无聊的flow，而且没有表现01:01:435 (1) - 这地方的人声 flow抓不好了...人声确实 姑且小跳了一下...
  20. 01:07:002 (3,4,5,6) - ^ 后来我反省了一下 我是对于那种不是特别明显的音都不想下跳而是固定DS 结果就只会直线flow了 绕圈圈也不好看 有点保守
  21. 01:11:642 (1,2,3) - 都是直的;_; 强行掰弯了 但是看起来好不自然(大概是直的看多了)
  22. 后面都还可以
  23. 整个图还有的问题就是鼓点利用的太少了，能用的没有用上，没音的反而overmap了，比如01:17:286 - 01:17:441 - 等等等等等等，作图的时候一定要每个地方25%反复听，一是为了防止snap错，二是为了捕捉能用的鼓点 吸取教训。。。以后作图会仔细听了，这次就点论点吧（

先这些，改完喊我再看看

终于改完了 可以睡觉了
Edit: (才发现改了4个多小时Orz)
有些地方改了之后也感觉不自然，感觉越改越糟(虽然原来也糟) 但是整体好像比最开始好了
嘛 人格辛苦了~ :)
话说为什么三个BN看我这图怎么指出的主要问题不一样QAQ
Li也说我摆得乱，m酱说我节奏乱，人格说我flow不好
我思考了一下 果然这图问题很大;w;
Karen
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Karen
recheck, no kd

00:06:436 (3) - 怎么说呢，滑条和圈有很大的区别，在点滑条的时候，光标不需要移到滑条尾就可以离开去点下一个物件了，所以mapping的时候滑条尾到下一个物件的距离可以大一些，这样打起来比较舒服，像你这种，显得比较拥挤，00:07:673 (3) - 这里就改的很舒服
00:59:580 (3,4,5) - 我还是觉得这里跟1/4比较好，柚子也是这样的，因为这里鼓点非常明显，而且又马上接下一个kiai，放点串啊或者1/4滑条，就跟你前面说的那根气势一样。00:59:889 - 这里背景里有个拖长的声音也可以跟下
01:17:209 (4,5,6,7,1) - 。。。你懂的

其实呢，这图节奏也有很多问题，我前面没怎么提是因为现在抓图的质量对于节奏的要求不是很高，绝大多数都是flow差，难读等等原因，如果你觉得还有余力去改节奏那再好不过
我记得前面说过，个人觉得，节奏下法就是滑条跟重要的人声，其他地方以圈为主和滑条混合，什么是重要的人声，比如00:51:384 - ，这里完全可以拉一个1/1滑条，因为那个白线上没什么声音，然后00:52:002 - 这里跟一个1/2 滑条，因为00:52:157 - 这里也没什么重要的声音，00:52:312 (5,6) - 这三声人声用圈做个小跳，这样我觉得就很完美了，以这一小节为例，下面应该很好懂。。
这一小节的节奏，光标在00:51:384 - ：
SPOILER

不用太在意大白线的问题，该忽略的时候就大胆忽略

00:53:703 - 比较重要的vocal，但是你把它放在滑条尾了，非常不合适
00:54:477 -
00:56:951 -
01:01:435 - 这些都是非常适合用滑条跟的例子，后面就不列举了

节奏改起来比较麻烦=。=，因为要重新考虑排版
Misure
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Misure

Karen wrote:

recheck, no kd

00:06:436 (3) - 怎么说呢，滑条和圈有很大的区别，在点滑条的时候，光标不需要移到滑条尾就可以离开去点下一个物件了，所以mapping的时候滑条尾到下一个物件的距离可以大一些，这样打起来比较舒服，像你这种，显得比较拥挤，00:07:673 (3) - 这里就改的很舒服 又改了改
00:59:580 (3,4,5) - 我还是觉得这里跟1/4比较好，柚子也是这样的，因为这里鼓点非常明显，而且又马上接下一个kiai，放点串啊或者1/4滑条，就跟你前面说的那根气势一样。00:59:889 - 这里背景里有个拖长的声音也可以跟下 改了
01:17:209 (4,5,6,7,1) - 。。。你懂的 这样真的不行么QAQ（主要是感觉好看） 还是改了

其实呢，这图节奏也有很多问题，我前面没怎么提是因为现在抓图的质量对于节奏的要求不是很高，绝大多数都是flow差，难读等等原因，如果你觉得还有余力去改节奏那再好不过
我记得前面说过，个人觉得，节奏下法就是滑条跟重要的人声，其他地方以圈为主和滑条混合，什么是重要的人声，比如00:51:384 - ，这里完全可以拉一个1/1滑条，因为那个白线上没什么声音，然后00:52:002 - 这里跟一个1/2 滑条，因为00:52:157 - 这里也没什么重要的声音，00:52:312 (5,6) - 这三声人声用圈做个小跳，这样我觉得就很完美了，以这一小节为例，下面应该很好懂。。
这一小节的节奏，光标在00:51:384 - ：
明白了 收益匪浅
不过还是改成了其他的样子 感觉效果也还行(主要是不想破掉跳的那个效果QAQ) 总之你看看0.0
SPOILER
不用太在意大白线的问题，该忽略的时候就大胆忽略

00:53:703 - 比较重要的vocal，但是你把它放在滑条尾了，非常不合适
00:54:477 -
00:56:951 -
01:01:435 - 这些都是非常适合用滑条跟的例子，后面就不列举了

节奏改起来比较麻烦=。=，因为要重新考虑排版

感觉有点难改。。。要re的节奏么..
Karen
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Karen
來最後一次，no kd

General

  1. fine

Normal

  1. 跟hard的ar差的太多了，要么hard的ar降一点要么normal的ar加一点。
  2. 00:36:712 (4,5) - 这种单独的原地二连单点在低难度是比较难的。建议换成滑条
  3. 01:14:889 (2,3) - ^
  4. 01:16:126 (2,3) - ^
  5. 01:02:054 (5,6) - ctrl+g flow更好

FreeSongs' Hard

  1. missing video
  2. 00:09:528 (1) - 开头有一点不清楚，改成这样：
    SPOILER

wkyik's Insane

  1. 00:48:755 - unsnap 绿线

Sora

  1. 00:52:312 (5,6,7) - 这改的间距太小了吧，还不如原来那样

改完走起，先试试
Misure
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Misure
感谢人格 我的diff都改了
等GD主的回复了
Karen
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Karen
後面路還很長
Bubbled!

Misure
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Karen wrote:

後面路還很長
Bubbled!

Big thanks to Karen!
Thanks a lot >.<
人格我爱你www
Oyatsu
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Oyatsu
Good luck to this getting ranked soon ! Sorry I didn't have time to mod it and respond your pm ^_^ Good job~ :D
I hope you can add Duca banner in your creator's words if u like (y) \:))))/
Osu! needs more Duca
Rizia
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Rizia
哇恭喜
Misure
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Misure

Oyatsu wrote:

Good luck to this getting ranked soon ! Sorry I didn't have time to mod it and respond your pm ^_^ Good job~ :D
I hope you can add Duca banner in your creator's words if u like (y) \:))))/
Osu! needs more Duca
That's all right ;w;
Thanks for your support <3
I'll add the banner after the map get ranked >w<

Rizia wrote:

哇恭喜
太感谢柚子了！
Fushimi Rio
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好运
Misure
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imoutosan wrote:

好运
谢！
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