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Fixed everything except overlap & two patterns in Hard diff. Thank you~
Fixed everything except overlap & two patterns in Hard diff. Thank you~
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27.4beats - a zavtra ty uydyosh'
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Next BN@, check the snapping. Carefully.
Next BN@, check the snapping. Carefully.
I highly doubt that уйдёшь should be romanized as uidosh'; it's uidesh', which I'd rather use if I were you.
^ yep. My bad. Fix this and we'll rebubble it o/TicClick wrote:
I highly doubt that уйдёшь should be romanized as uidosh'; it's uidesh', which I'd rather use if I were you.
Topic Starter
Okay, fixed.TicClick wrote:
I highly doubt that уйдёшь should be romanized as uidosh'; it's uidesh', which I'd rather use if I were you.
Nice catch, thanks, TC!
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Preview sounds like 60bpm.
Combo 1 and 3 look largely similar. Consider raising Luminosity of Combo 1 to 120.
Combo 1 and 3 look largely similar. Consider raising Luminosity of Combo 1 to 120.
I already mentioned it. There is no rule about which romanisation to use, but why don't we use the one which is most similar to modified hepburn and the Chinese romanization we use. Isn't it insensible to use this system. I explained it a bit more here: p/4144722/
Why should we use types of romanisation which are not read the same way as the others we used so far?
Problem of romanisation you use is that Е is romanised the same way as Ё while it is pronounced a bit different - E = E, but Ё is something between E and O, it shouldn't be the same.
Anyway gratz for a bubble
Why should we use types of romanisation which are not read the same way as the others we used so far?
Problem of romanisation you use is that Е is romanised the same way as Ё while it is pronounced a bit different - E = E, but Ё is something between E and O, it shouldn't be the same.
Anyway gratz for a bubble
- 27.4beats - a zavtra ty uidosh' (Pjecoo).osb is unused so do not forget to remove the osb file
Topic Starter
I forgot about it because I was changing the title as TicClick told me.NewRulerNA wrote:
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- 27.4beats - a zavtra ty uidosh' (Pjecoo).osb is unused so do not forget to remove the osb file
Going to fix it.those wrote:
Combo 1 and 3 look largely similar. Consider raising Luminosity of Combo 1 to 120.
Topic Starter
Fixed & updated.
I still didn't update the title because I'm kinda confused of which variant should I use. (If to leave it like this or change it back to "uidosh'")
I still didn't update the title because I'm kinda confused of which variant should I use. (If to leave it like this or change it back to "uidosh'")
Having skimmed through a couple of romanization tables for Russian rather than trying to base it on general reading/pronounciation rules and common usage of translit (along with quite common practice of substituting ё with e), I have to admit it should be uidyosh'. Sorry for the mess. Will also reply to Wafu's thread to prevent further confusion.
We'll wait for Habi and general fixes. Afterwards, I'll rebubble with a more-detailed check afterwards. o/
tell me how "do" (до) is closer to "дё" than "dyo" (дьо), I suspect that you have trouble getting the pronounciation rightWafu wrote:
TicClick: p/4200696
Thus not uidyosh' but only uidosh' - we cannot use ë, which is official part of romanisation, because it is unicode + as I explained, o/yo is more similar to this sound, is defined, and is often used instead of ë.
whatever, you guys do what you want, sorry for interrupting you
SPOILER
22:29 Pjecoo: hi~ are you going to check it now pls? :/
22:31 HabiHolic: check done
22:32 Pjecoo: ah i didnt see
22:32 HabiHolic: p/4196277\
22:32 HabiHolic: ...
22:32 Pjecoo: im sorry...i didn't see that
22:32 HabiHolic: ...
22:32 HabiHolic: i discussion your map now~
22:33 Pjecoo: ah i see.
22:39 Pjecoo: so i fix it as written there
22:51 Pjecoo: ok fixed the hard diff.
22:51 Pjecoo: now i need to move offset in normal diff.
22:51 HabiHolic: ok~
22:51 Pjecoo: thanks for taking care of this ♥
22:52 Pjecoo: hold on
22:52 Pjecoo: i didn't update it yet
22:52 Pjecoo: i'll poke you when it's done
22:57 Pjecoo: ok done
22:57 Pjecoo: check it now.
22:58 Pjecoo: i did everything what they write there
22:31 HabiHolic: check done
22:32 Pjecoo: ah i didnt see
22:32 HabiHolic: p/4196277\
22:32 HabiHolic: ...
22:32 Pjecoo: im sorry...i didn't see that
22:32 HabiHolic: ...
22:32 HabiHolic: i discussion your map now~
22:33 Pjecoo: ah i see.
22:39 Pjecoo: so i fix it as written there
22:51 Pjecoo: ok fixed the hard diff.
22:51 Pjecoo: now i need to move offset in normal diff.
22:51 HabiHolic: ok~
22:51 Pjecoo: thanks for taking care of this ♥
22:52 Pjecoo: hold on
22:52 Pjecoo: i didn't update it yet
22:52 Pjecoo: i'll poke you when it's done
22:57 Pjecoo: ok done
22:57 Pjecoo: check it now.
22:58 Pjecoo: i did everything what they write there
Hmm.. Ok
check is good
Ranked
gratz dom♥
BPM is 60 stahp
congrats (:
ё is totally yo, what are you talking about lol..
and i doubt you need " ' " at the end of "uidosh", since ь after ш is just a rule for words' endings writing and the way how this is romanized now is more to щ, rather than ш..
well good luck, i will be stalking this forum thread
well good luck, i will be stalking this forum thread
@Aka: ' also changes the way word is pronounced. Just saying.
not with sh case i think, lol.. it becomes щ with ' o_o
' stands for ь in "уйдешь"
But oh well, I guess we can leave it up to QATs. Either way, I'm pretty sure that the current way is correct.
But oh well, I guess we can leave it up to QATs. Either way, I'm pretty sure that the current way is correct.
Nope the song just uses something snare-y at 3 instead of 2 and 4, otherwise it's totally 120 BPM from the song's structure and drum rhythms.those wrote:
BPM is 60 stahp
Congratz :3 Nice song!
How do you know it's not snare on beat 1 of every other measure at 240bpm?Desperate-kun wrote:
Nope the song just uses something snare-y at 3 instead of 2 and 4, otherwise it's totally 120 BPM from the song's structure and drum rhythms.those wrote:
BPM is 60 stahp
Congratz :3 Nice song!
Answer: you don't. That's why there is a general way of determining bpm. Need help understanding? There are a number of people that understand; all you have to do is ask.
There are many reasons for this song having 120 BPM telling from its structure. First of all, the drum pattern repeats exactly every measure. On 60 BPM it would repeat twice a measure which is completely unusual. In relation to that, currently every downbeat (by which I mean the position of the big white tick, not Beat 1 & 3 like in the osu! wiki) is equally stressed and more stressed than the other beats, while there would be the same stress on Beat 3 on 60 BPM, which is completely unusual.those wrote:
How do you know it's not snare on beat 1 of every other measure at 240bpm?
Answer: you don't. That's why there is a general way of determining bpm. Need help understanding? There are a number of people that understand; all you have to do is ask.
It's also clearly 120 BPM in the sections where there are no drums, for the exact same reasons. The downbeats have the stronger piano sounds that don't occur in the rest of the measures. The snare argument doesn't work for these sections at all as there are no drums or anything important at Beat 3 here.
What's waaaay less unusual than the exact same drum pattern occuring twice every measure is the usage of snares at Beat 3 to make the song's atmosphere more calm and relaxing. Determining the BPM of a song after the snare pattern is simple and common in osu, but doesn't always make sense with the song.
Also, nobody needs any "help understanding" here, we are talking about a rather complex (for osu!) musical topic that is mostly subjective and there are valid arguments from both sides (although your argument is "the snares must be at Beat 2 and Beat 4" and mine are coming from the song's structure, so they seem more trustworthy to me personally, but oh well.)
Hi Pjecoo,
We need to disqualify your map due to the timing near the end of the map.
I whipped up a quick fix, but please get this double/tripled checked.
Personally, I would recommend that you halve the BPM and double your base slider velocity in both maps as this song is set to 60 BPM. As there are mixed views on this, I will leave this for you decide. Please keep in mind that this will affect kiai flashing and the nightcore mod.
###C
We need to disqualify your map due to the timing near the end of the map.
I whipped up a quick fix, but please get this double/tripled checked.
SPOILER
[TimingPoints]
32028,500,4,2,1,50,1,0
159988,500,4,2,1,50,1,0
194052,500,4,2,1,50,1,0
196028,500,4,2,1,50,1,0
198106,495.867768595041,4,2,1,50,1,0
202089,500,4,2,1,50,1,0
204139,496.688741721854,4,2,1,50,1,0
205164,512.820512820513,4,2,1,50,1,0
206125,512.820512820513,4,2,1,50,1,0
208166,500,4,2,1,50,1,0
209145,500,4,2,1,50,1,0
209630,500,4,2,1,50,1,0
210166,500,4,2,1,50,1,0
211985,500,4,2,1,50,1,0
Personally, I would recommend that you halve the BPM and double your base slider velocity in both maps as this song is set to 60 BPM. As there are mixed views on this, I will leave this for you decide. Please keep in mind that this will affect kiai flashing and the nightcore mod.
###C
i would really like to ask to pay more attention to the romanized title still, there is no way "ё" is "o", seeeeeeriously
Regarding the BPM changes. Don't forget 03:24:139 (4) - cannot be used like this, because its slider ticks are out of the rhythm (slider ticks always use BPM of the timing point on which the slider is and ignores other points.
Same about 03:28:176 (3) -
Just to avoid unicode characters (because ë is romanised to ë/yë) and to define the sound more, o/yo should be used instead depending on the letter-order. (explanation below)
Same about 03:28:176 (3) -
It would be nice if more people joined the discussion on p/4144722 - I think I provided enough information which proves why is BGN/PCGN the most usable transcription.Aka wrote:
i would really like to ask to pay more attention to the romanized title still, there is no way "ё" is "o", seeeeeeriously
Just to avoid unicode characters (because ë is romanised to ë/yë) and to define the sound more, o/yo should be used instead depending on the letter-order. (explanation below)
Also й should've been y, thus uydosh' anyway.BGN/PCGN Romanization system for Russian wrote:
the character should be romanized yë initially, after the vowel characters a, e, ё, и, о, у, ы, э, ю, and я, and after й, ъ, and ь.
In all other instances, it should be romanized ё.
Topic Starter
Beatmap updated with new timing by Garven. Also I didn't halve the timing because I'm convinced, that timing is 120BPM. I will leave this BPM settings like it is. Sorry those, but this is really 120BPM imo. Another thing I didn't change is the title, because I'm really confused, what option should i use. If to stick with Wafu's BGN/PCGN system or with the most of you, who said something else. If this discussion about romanized title will be somehow solved, then I'll update the title if needed.
But I guess I know, where this discussion about these kinds of title is going to end...
But I guess I know, where this discussion about these kinds of title is going to end...
That's fine; if you think these things are opinion based, then we're done here \:D/
All the best with romanization.
All the best with romanization.
Topic Starter
After a few discussions i decided to pick a TicClick's option for a romanised title. I hope it's correct this time ><
Well, seems you decided about it already. Anyway I would welcome a reasonable counterargument on the thread I opened to prove the way of romanization I recommended is wrong or why is more wrong than TicClick's. I want to see this ranked as badly as you guys want, yet the explanation would be appreciated before this is re-qualified.
Read, threw another and hopefully the last opinion on "dyo", I feel it's getting solved: p/4230941
We agreed with TicClick on everything after many arguments - I accepted yo after d, because 'dh' or d'o would look pretty non-aesthetic. TicClick agreed we could use the BGN/PCGN chars apart from ë thus replacing i with y. All explained in last 2 posts of thread. New name should be uydyosh'
You can wait for further confirmation from Cyrillic knowledge staff members, tho I guess this can be called closed. Sorry if caused more confusion, we did not really understand each other, now should be fine.
Read, threw another and hopefully the last opinion on "dyo", I feel it's getting solved: p/4230941
We agreed with TicClick on everything after many arguments - I accepted yo after d, because 'dh' or d'o would look pretty non-aesthetic. TicClick agreed we could use the BGN/PCGN chars apart from ë thus replacing i with y. All explained in last 2 posts of thread. New name should be uydyosh'
You can wait for further confirmation from Cyrillic knowledge staff members, tho I guess this can be called closed. Sorry if caused more confusion, we did not really understand each other, now should be fine.
Topic Starter
I'll change the title, when I get back from my part-time job.Wafu wrote:
We agreed with TicClick on everything after many arguments - I accepted yo after d, because 'dh' or d'o would look pretty non-aesthetic. TicClick agreed we could use the BGN/PCGN chars apart from ë thus replacing i with y. All explained in last 2 posts of thread. New name should be uydyosh'
You can wait for further confirmation from Cyrillic knowledge staff members, tho I guess this can be called closed. Sorry if caused more confusion, we did not really understand each other, now should be fine.
We did an IRC check. Just improved some stuff and fixed some unrankeable things, all very minor.
Everything looks clean for me \w/
Rebubbled~
Nya~
18:58 Inyuschan: is irc mod fine? o3o
18:59 Pjecoo: sure.
18:59 Inyuschan: oh wait it's not rebubbled
18:59 Inyuschan: I thought you wanted me to requalify
18:59 Pjecoo: oh...it need to rebubble..
18:59 Pjecoo: ah.
18:59 Inyuschan: yeah it's fine xD
19:00 Inyuschan: I'm checking timing atm~
19:00 Pjecoo: ok.
19:02 *Inyuschan is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/694405 27.4beats - a zavtra ty uydyosh' [Hard]]
19:03 Inyuschan: 02:31:028 (7) - second green line is a bit unsnapped, for 2 ms
19:03 Inyuschan: you might want to snap it correctly
19:03 Pjecoo: um.
19:03 Pjecoo: i don't have any line there.
19:04 Inyuschan: 02:31:403
19:04 Inyuschan: o.o
19:04 Pjecoo: or hold.
19:04 Inyuschan: http://puu.sh/ijIx9/d8a9bc9381.jpg
19:04 Inyuschan: the second green line
19:04 Pjecoo: ah
19:04 Pjecoo: i was in Normal.
19:04 Pjecoo: xD
19:04 Inyuschan: www okay xD
19:05 Pjecoo: fixed.
19:05 Inyuschan: another general point: check the folder - there are 3 .osb files
19:06 Inyuschan: you should have only 1, I think
19:06 Pjecoo: yea.
19:06 Pjecoo: because i changed title
19:06 Pjecoo: xD
19:06 Inyuschan: oh I see xD
19:06 Pjecoo: removed
19:06 Inyuschan: okay, let's check diffs properly now
19:07 Pjecoo: can i update?
19:07 Pjecoo: or wait?
19:07 Inyuschan: yeah, update
19:07 Inyuschan: and poke me when it's updated
19:08 *Pjecoo pokes Inyu
19:11 Inyuschan: which DS did you use in Hard?
19:11 Pjecoo: 1,2x
19:12 Inyuschan: 01:09:278 (3,4) - shouldn't be these further?
19:12 Inyuschan: a bit at least
19:12 Inyuschan: o3o
19:13 Pjecoo: moved little bit.
19:13 Inyuschan: 01:13:278 (3,4) - same here o3o
19:14 Pjecoo: Or did i actually used 1.1x?
19:14 Pjecoo: hmm..
19:14 Inyuschan: I think 1,2
19:14 Pjecoo: nah 1,2x
19:14 Inyuschan: since almost everything looks like that
19:14 Pjecoo: fixed.
19:15 Inyuschan: 02:06:278 (1) - finish this at the previous white tick, first of all because should be 1/1 measure of recovery time before next note, moreover fits better with music imo
19:16 Inyuschan: I mean finish the spinner in 02:07:528
19:16 Pjecoo: fixed.
19:18 Inyuschan: 03:30:166 (1,1) - I'd say the same here, just remove the note and make spinner finish until the end
19:18 Pjecoo: hmm...
19:19 Pjecoo: tbh, i'd like to replace it with slider xD
19:19 Pjecoo: and leave the note there.
19:19 Pjecoo: it feels better imo.
19:19 Inyuschan: as you wish o3o
19:19 Pjecoo: just wanted to ask if you are ok with it.. xD
19:19 Inyuschan: sure, try it and we'll see later
19:20 Inyuschan: btw, I suggest to change CS to 4, basically because I want to change Normal's settings too and I'd like to balance the mapset better
19:20 Inyuschan: I mean
19:20 Inyuschan: you should change Normal's settings as long as it is the first/easiest diff
19:20 Inyuschan: current ones are a bit high
19:22 Pjecoo: ok.
19:22 Pjecoo: [http://puu.sh/ijJIS.jpg i really have no other idea :x]
19:22 Inyuschan: so, I'd set: CS:4 in Hard // for Normal: CS:3 AR:4 OD and HP:3
19:23 Inyuschan: well not bad xD
19:23 Inyuschan: we'll see later when everything is updated
19:23 Pjecoo: ok.
19:24 Inyuschan: (I just hope this doesn't affect stars in Normal lol)
19:24 Pjecoo: CS changed to 3,5. AR: hmmm...maybe. OD & HP: Fixed.
19:24 Inyuschan: okay :3
19:25 Pjecoo: well
19:25 Pjecoo: it affects kinda xD
19:25 Pjecoo: it's not 1.5* anymore xD
19:25 Inyuschan: rip
19:26 Inyuschan: and... CS3,8?
19:26 Inyuschan: o3o
19:26 Pjecoo: 1,5*
19:26 Pjecoo: xD
19:27 Inyuschan: fine I guess (?)
19:27 Inyuschan: we'll see ww
19:27 Inyuschan: I'm checking Normal mapping, though looks clean o3o
19:29 Pjecoo: ok
19:29 Inyuschan: 03:30:166 (5,1) - swap NC due whole consistency?
19:30 Pjecoo: um
19:30 Pjecoo: I didn't swap them in Hard diff.
19:30 Pjecoo: but ok. i'll make a nc here.
19:30 Inyuschan: same in Hard then
19:30 Inyuschan: I didn't update
19:30 Inyuschan: xD
19:31 Pjecoo: 03:31:985 (1) - and also make a new combo here?
19:31 Pjecoo: or remove NC?
19:31 Inyuschan: finally I still think CS in Hard is kinda small :< as I've said before you could reduce it a bit
19:31 Inyuschan: remove NC ther
19:32 Inyuschan: there
19:32 Pjecoo: removed.
19:33 Pjecoo: and leaving CS like it is :|
19:33 Inyuschan: meh
19:33 Inyuschan: okay
19:33 Inyuschan: update
19:33 Pjecoo: updated.
Everything looks clean for me \w/
Rebubbled~