1. Tbuns (5 stars, 1071 notes)

Osu! needs more Yukacco

LucaSA4 wrote:

M4M here we go:

• Collab

  00:02:915 (1) - Make it like 00:02:209 (2) -
  This slider represents a different melodic idea than the slider you pointed out. I'll keep it as is.
  00:08:562 (1) - Fix blanket
  Fixed
  00:19:150 (4) - Make it like 00:18:444 (1,4) -
  00:19:856 (1) - ^
  Made these sliders copies, thanks
  00:21:268 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - The jump was nice until 00:22:680 (1) - but then it started to get weird -'
  What do you mean by weird? I would like more input about this spaced stream.
  00:26:562 (6) - Remove?
  Removed
  00:28:327 (5) - ^
  Removed
  00:39:445 (4) - This slider is weird too
  Fixed slider shape
  00:41:033 (1) - Change to circle?
  Surprised I didn't catch this, thanks.
  04:17:032 (7) - End of the object isn't snapped according to AiMod
  I fixed this for the map owner.
  00:54:621 - 1/2 slider and remove 00:54:797 (5) - ?
  I liked the solid rhythm provided by the two quarter notes, but this is probably more proper.
  01:00:268 - Circle?
  Changed. Stacked under slider end of (8)
  01:29:739 (9) - Fix blanket
  Fixed
  01:38:033 (7) - Curve it properly :p http://puu.sh/iv1r5/dd395c4dc8.jpg
  Fixed
  01:41:033 (5) - http://puu.sh/iv1tB/53556a9283.jpg
  Fixed owo
  01:55:151 (1) - ^
  Adjusted slider shape
  01:58:327 (1) - Change to circle at 01:58:327 - 01:58:503 - and 01:58:680 -
  Changed
  02:01:150 (7) - ^ (same idea)
  Changed
  02:04:856 (1,2,3,4) - Use same DS
  2.0
  02:06:797 (10) - http://puu.sh/iv1BP/6d7a0b2709.jpg
  Fixed
  02:13:150 (3) - http://puu.sh/iv1DX/d135a64691.jpg ?
  Fixed shape
  02:28:327 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - This is really confusing and weird
  Remapped to be more like earlier stream patterns
  02:53:033 (4) - http://puu.sh/iv1tB/53556a9283.jpg
  Fixed
  03:14:915 (7) - This slider is ugly ;w;
  04:12:797 (1,2) - ^
  04:23:739 (1) - Should start at 04:24:091 -
  04:43:150 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5) - This could look better
  05:10:150 (8) - This is curved weirdly

That's it! you have 24 hours to mod my map back or I'll kill you

Mackenzie wrote:

m4m

Collab

1. disable countdown
2. disable letter box
3. 00:02:915 (1) - unrankable pattern

   Standard Ranking Criteria wrote:

   Slider anchors/nodes must not be used to manipulate slider speeds

4. 00:01:503 - 00:12:444 - i feel your pattern here is a bit boring, even though the drum is 1/1, why dont you follow another rhythm? such as the hihat in the back, the sound might be small but you can still hear it. it is 1/2 and its a lot easier to map compare to the rhythm you are following now. I also suggest you to change the sv to 0.5 because the music here is not high at all, and it doesnt have dense rhythm here too, 0.5 gives more feeling about the music. generally, i suggest you to remap this part with 0.5x sv and 1/2 spacing, but also be creative, you dont have to use ds all the time. also plz keep the map tidy
5. 00:18:974 (3,1) - flow is not nice at all, its not because your note placement but the shape of the slider. yes, antiflow is fun and nice to play, but not this kind of antiflow,the slider is basicly not connected with the note placement, examples are many, a lot of ranked map have some very nice note-slider combo, recommend mapper: Fycho Asphyxia etc...
6. 00:19:150 (1,3) - please try to avoid those overlaps, unless you cant find any place to put them, for this one, you can just move 00:19:680 (3) - a bit up and then everything looks nice, same for all slider overlaps you did in this map
7. 00:21:268 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - nice idea, but its still uncomfortable to play also it doesnt really fits the song,especially on changes like 00:23:562 (8,1) - which is very random, your hand is hard to change speed when the flow is smooth, well if you dont believe me, testplay it yourself. also plz make sure all your ds changes is because of the music, change ur ds when some significant change happend in the music,those changes is usually on the white ticks, i dont see that in ur stream at all
8. 00:26:209 (5) - no,no,ds 1.0 is way too fast for this part, the piano is very nice and slow, but ruined by your sv
9. 00:49:150 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - jumps are too random though, however, i dont think a peace rhythm like this fits your screen jumps
10. 01:18:091 (6) - plz dont use the old form of slider, one point is the new type slider and its way better than this. see update in 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnFBZ3OY2JU
11. 01:33:268 - 01:44:562 - hitsound here really ruined the song, you basically cant hear any loud beat in this part, neither any beats that similar at the hit sound you are using, using a hitsound that extremely different from the song will just ruined the song
12. 01:58:327 (1,2) - idk if you heard that, but i clearly heard the 1/4 beats here, plz dont ignore any notes, only do when necessary
13. 02:05:562 (5) - this isnt the right rhythm, right rhythm: http://puu.sh/iwHwO/a51d55728e.jpg
14. 02:07:150 - plz put some object for hitting here, this is that starting point of kiai, you must let ppl feel that, a object for hitting is really needed ant it gave ppl better feeling to the song
15. 02:23:033 (1,2,3,1) - i dont think there is any thing to make you to stop the 1/2 rhythm here, the drum is still going and the electro sound is still same as before, the stop make me feel the music slowed down , which doesnt make sense for here

i will stop here, to be honest, i have to say that the map has lack of quality, and its showed because of following reasons:

1. the hitsound you are using is not fitting the song at all. i think you have to use some custom hitsound for this song, go to findsound.com and you can find alot of nice hitsound in it, plz choose the hitsounds that really fits the song, it dont have to be exactly similar, but not too different
2. the spacing is very random and not fitting the song, it dosent "show" the song properly. for example, 03:07:503 (1,2,3,4) - the distace you used is very close to what u have used in kiai, but the part here have a much lower tone and the rhythm is a lot less complex. you should really use smaller jumps for this one

your idea is good, i know you tired hard based on sliders like 03:32:562 (9) - you made, but your mapping skill just cant show them properly. I suggest you to learn the patterns and rhythm in any ranked map, or sure, copy the patterns if you like, when you copied a lot, you will have an idea of patterns.
sry but i have to say that you have to remap the whole diff, if you really want to rank it. nobody's first map is ranked without remapping, i know its sad, but i was a new mapper like you in a year ago, i know what you have to do to improve.
if you have any questions, contact me any time in-game and i will help you

good luck

hanyuu_nanodesu wrote:

Woah that one big mod .-.
Well, in quick glace I also found this map kinda out of rhythm...
But I'll just do my job here...
Mod, coming from my modding Q

[Collab]

[*]02:56:562 (1,3) - Stack? i changed it
[*]03:00:444 (2) - You don't need all of those slider anchors right? corrected the spinal structure of the slider
[*]03:06:797 (4) - Maybe like this http://puu.sh/iJeGs/ac4abd7192.jpg i changed it to something similar
[*]03:08:562 (4,5,6) - Ctrl+g, it'll follow the rhyhtm better.
[*]03:15:974 (7) - Maybe you want to make harder rhythm but I think placing a circle here kinda inappropriate... Just end (6) slider here. i changed it
[*]03:17:562 (2) - You completely ignoring vocal don't you? >.< Keep your sliders at white tick (it has nothing to do with this slider, I just randomly pick it xD) i kept to the vocals this time
[*]03:23:386 (3) - I don't like this slider .-. i cleaned it up
[*]03:31:503 (1,2) - The SV change don't make sense, the music don't change or slowing... action has been taken
[*]03:32:562 (3,4,5,6) - Maybe this? http://puu.sh/iJeQD/7c1b5e071c.jpg increasing jumps would fit this part better imo. i did something similar
[*]04:15:621 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - Maybe you can use the previous rhythm I gave you http://puu.sh/iJeib/8ba00da604.jpgi shall decline that offer and stick to my original rhythm
[*]05:24:797 (1,2,3,4) - Why don't you just follow the main sound? I mean like this http://puu.sh/iJf0o/a45cc9068e.jpg gotcha, i changed it
[*]Well... pretty big mod as well eh? xD The main problem I find is you put a lot of sliders at red tick. Remember this : avoid starting a slider at red tick unless there's a significant sound that support it (for "filler" or something) most of the time, it'll sounds weird. Second, at some part you seem to randomly place 1/2 slider and ignore the music example: 03:55:503 Solution: listen to the music more, map according to the music. Third, your placement is messy >.< Well, I don't really pay attention at it while modding because it's extra. You can place notes anywhere at extra. But, it would be much better if you can keep the placement tidy, it would be a nice plus point for your map. Fourth, sometime you also randomly change the SV, try to reduce the random SV change sliders and if want ("need" actually) to change SV, use NC so the players would be ready.[/list][/notice]

Well, good luck~

Mackenzie wrote:

m4m

Collab

1. disable countdown
2. disable letter box
3. 00:02:915 (1) - unrankable pattern

   Standard Ranking Criteria wrote:

   Slider anchors/nodes must not be used to manipulate slider speeds

4. 00:01:503 - 00:12:444 - i feel your pattern here is a bit boring, even though the drum is 1/1, why dont you follow another rhythm? such as the hihat in the back, the sound might be small but you can still hear it. it is 1/2 and its a lot easier to map compare to the rhythm you are following now. I also suggest you to change the sv to 0.5 because the music here is not high at all, and it doesnt have dense rhythm here too, 0.5 gives more feeling about the music. generally, i suggest you to remap this part with 0.5x sv and 1/2 spacing, but also be creative, you dont have to use ds all the time. also plz keep the map tidy
5. 00:18:974 (3,1) - flow is not nice at all, its not because your note placement but the shape of the slider. yes, antiflow is fun and nice to play, but not this kind of antiflow,the slider is basicly not connected with the note placement, examples are many, a lot of ranked map have some very nice note-slider combo, recommend mapper: Fycho Asphyxia etc...
6. 00:19:150 (1,3) - please try to avoid those overlaps, unless you cant find any place to put them, for this one, you can just move 00:19:680 (3) - a bit up and then everything looks nice, same for all slider overlaps you did in this map
7. 00:21:268 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - nice idea, but its still uncomfortable to play also it doesnt really fits the song,especially on changes like 00:23:562 (8,1) - which is very random, your hand is hard to change speed when the flow is smooth, well if you dont believe me, testplay it yourself. also plz make sure all your ds changes is because of the music, change ur ds when some significant change happend in the music,those changes is usually on the white ticks, i dont see that in ur stream at all
8. 00:26:209 (5) - no,no,ds 1.0 is way too fast for this part, the piano is very nice and slow, but ruined by your sv
9. 00:49:150 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - jumps are too random though, however, i dont think a peace rhythm like this fits your screen jumps
10. 01:18:091 (6) - plz dont use the old form of slider, one point is the new type slider and its way better than this. see update in 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnFBZ3OY2JU
11. 01:33:268 - 01:44:562 - hitsound here really ruined the song, you basically cant hear any loud beat in this part, neither any beats that similar at the hit sound you are using, using a hitsound that extremely different from the song will just ruined the song
12. 01:58:327 (1,2) - idk if you heard that, but i clearly heard the 1/4 beats here, plz dont ignore any notes, only do when necessary
13. 02:05:562 (5) - this isnt the right rhythm, right rhythm: http://puu.sh/iwHwO/a51d55728e.jpg
14. 02:07:150 - plz put some object for hitting here, this is that starting point of kiai, you must let ppl feel that, a object for hitting is really needed ant it gave ppl better feeling to the song
15. 02:23:033 (1,2,3,1) - i dont think there is any thing to make you to stop the 1/2 rhythm here, the drum is still going and the electro sound is still same as before, the stop make me feel the music slowed down , which doesnt make sense for here

i will stop here, to be honest, i have to say that the map has lack of quality, and its showed because of following reasons:

1. the hitsound you are using is not fitting the song at all. i think you have to use some custom hitsound for this song, go to findsound.com and you can find alot of nice hitsound in it, plz choose the hitsounds that really fits the song, it dont have to be exactly similar, but not too different
2. the spacing is very random and not fitting the song, it dosent "show" the song properly. for example, 03:07:503 (1,2,3,4) - the distace you used is very close to what u have used in kiai, but the part here have a much lower tone and the rhythm is a lot less complex. you should really use smaller jumps for this one

your idea is good, i know you tired hard based on sliders like 03:32:562 (9) - you made, but your mapping skill just cant show them properly. I suggest you to learn the patterns and rhythm in any ranked map, or sure, copy the patterns if you like, when you copied a lot, you will have an idea of patterns.
sry but i have to say that you have to remap the whole diff, if you really want to rank it. nobody's first map is ranked without remapping, i know its sad, but i was a new mapper like you in a year ago, i know what you have to do to improve.
if you have any questions, contact me any time in-game and i will help you

good luck

thanks for the honest, yet brutal opinion. sadly enough, i did not map the parts you modded, but i still took the general idea of remapping and following the beat, fixing my spacing, and adjusting my rhythms and did a general overhaul of the map

ICboom wrote:

Hello guy~
my english is poor QAQ so i just can express the sentence i have learned..(不会英语来模什么的好害羞////)
I'm same as you as a mapping-beginner (also a modding-beginner=w=) And i consider your map so long ago..

it's my second time to mod Here is my modding 0w0

Collab

[*]First of all,notice aimod.some objects isn't snapped
Fixed all
[*]The jumping in 00:18:532 to 00:21:267 is too abrupt and heavy.make it gradient.
I took this suggestion and made the jumps increase in DS over time.
[*]00:32:561 (6) - new combo
00:49:150 (5) - 00:54:444 (5) - 00:55:150 (6) - 00:57:973 (1) - 01:00:797 (1) - 01:03:267 (6) - 01:06:444 (6) - 01:20:561 (5) - 01:29:032 (4) - ^
Included NC when I felt it was appropriate. (Pick-up notes ect.)
[*]the new combo setting is a little messy. i suggest you check it whole the map.
[*]01:33:267 to 01:44:473 the jumping is too heavy. u should set such heavy jumping in kiai
01:33:267 (1,2,3) - Reduced DS from 1.8x to 1.6x. The rest I believe is perfectly playable.
[*]the style like 02:07:150 (1,2,3) - is too simple in the first kiai. have some change or add somthing~
Increased DS, and added more interesting rhythms.
[*]02:28:150 to 02:28:944 the sliders here are uncomfortable to play.Modify the sliders' towards and distace
some 1/4 sliders like it setting in others place also should be fixed
Fixed the way the rhythm and the song work together in this part. Also used 1.5x ds. Much more comfortable to play.
[*]the objects in kiai are too simple.you can put some challenging notes in it to make it better.and full of the rhythm as for as possible（Of course it needn't really full of rhythm of the whole map.)

Your idea is good~ But if you want to rank the map,it is still has a distance to acheve what you want.care for the details and more hard working!
the song is very beautiful~I like it very much:D
this is all.thx for readingXD
(my english is really badQAQ)
Thanks for modding ^^ your english is better than you give yourself credit for

-Faded- wrote:

Hi, m4m here ^^


During the kiai times, I'm not too fond of how you've chosen to place the finishes, as all three of them are inconsistent to each other. Make it so that for the first two kiais, the finishes are in the same place as the third kiai, as I preferred that kiai the best.
Okay, I'll go back and re apply hitsounds to kiai sections with this in mind.

• 
  0:18:091 (1) - Replace this slider with a stream. It's bad to have a slider like this end on a heavy downbeat (the large white tick) because the player isn't hitting anything to emphasise it, they are simply just letting go. Other sliders can get away with this, but because this goes into a set of jumps, it's important that the player feels the first note of them.
  Fixed
  01:44:561 (2) - I would recommend mapping this break. The music doesn't get much calmer compared to what has just been mapped, so it will make the map longer and more enjoyable if you mapped it.
  I'll consider this. I like the suspense that the break adds in preparation for the upcoming kiai time. We'll see.
  02:07:679 (3,3) - You should stack these. Although this cannot be noticed in gameplay, it will make the map neater overall and it isn't that hard to do.
  Fixed
  02:13:855 (8,1) - Blanket these? Again this is a neatness issue, but this can be noticed during gameplay. I think making this a proper blanket would look a lot nicer.
  Don't like the flow, stacked instead.
  02:24:797 (4,5,6) - Why are these overlapping? The other patterns like this aren't overlapping, so it would be cleaner and more consistent if you moved them further apart.
  This was originally a copy+paste of a previous pattern with ctrl+shift+r. Guess it didn't paste well :'(
  02:30:797 - Add a note here. You can clearly hear a piano note here. Even though it's slightly quieter than the others doesn't mean it shouldn't be mapped. It will make your map flow and play nicer in general, and the player won't have to wait a beat to hit 02:30:973 (3) -
  Fixed
  02:42:091 - Pretty much the same as the above ^^^^
  Fixed
  02:44:208 (2) - Make it so the end of this slider is properly blanketed by 02:44:561 (3) - . It will look nicer.
  Instead of blanketing here, I repositioned (3) for better flow.
  02:56:562 (1,2,3) - Curve (1) as well. It will be more consistent, and if you rearrange the pattern as a whole it then it will look a lot nicer.

Overall, I think the hitsounding is quite good, but the aesthetics and flow could use a bit of work. I can see that it has potential, just clean up on certain aspects and you're good~

I shot a star, good luck!
Thanks for modding ^^

-Faded- wrote:

Hi, m4m here ^^

Collab

During the kiai times, I'm not too fond of how you've chosen to place the finishes, as all three of them are inconsistent to each other. Make it so that for the first two kiais, the finishes are in the same place as the third kiai, as I preferred that kiai the best.

1. 02:56:562 (1,2,3) - Curve (1) as well. It will be more consistent, and if you rearrange the pattern as a whole it then it will look a lot nicer. done
   
   
   Go for something like this

   
2. 03:07:503 (1,2,3) - Make these notes evenly spaced. There is no reason for one of them to be drastically closer to one than the other. The things these circles have been mapped to are consistent and have around the same strength, so the pattern should reflect upon that. done
3. 03:29:386 (5,1,2,3,1) - What's with the 1/1 pauses? Add notes to fill the gaps, as it would complement the music better and so the map will be better to play; the player won't have to wait beats in the middle of an intense jump pattern. the jumps now have no pauses
4. 03:53:915 (3,4,5,6) - These sliders start on the red tick and end on the white tick. White ticks are a lot stronger than red ticks, so this is bad rhythm wise. You want the player to be pressing the key on the powerful beats, not just letting go. i changed the rhythm up
5. 04:01:503 (1) - Curve this a bit more so that the end of 04:02:209 (2) - is properly blanketed. It would look nicer and cleaner. done
6. 04:08:562 (1,2) - Like above, you want to curve (1) so that the head of (2) is blanketed properly.done
7. 04:10:503 (4) - What's with this slider? There's no 1/4 sounds to justify putting such a slider here, so I recommend you remove it.done
8. 04:49:150 (6,7,8) - You should fix this blanket, (7,8) aren't parallel with (6)'s slider-track so it looks unkempt.good catch, i fixed it up
9. 05:01:150 (5,6) - Having a reverse arrow hidden beneath another object is unrankable. This is because someone playing with an opaque skin and visible 300 hitbursts won't be able to see it, so they'll read it as a regular slider. Please change this. done
10. 05:07:150 (5,6) - Space these out more as if it was a jump. All other sections in the music like this are jumps, so it makes little sense for these to be so close together. done
11. 05:09:797 (7,1) - Personally it would look nicer if you curve (1) a bit more, so that more of (7) is blanketed.

done

Overall, I think the hitsounding is quite good, but the aesthetics and flow could use a bit of work. I can see that it has potential, just clean up on certain aspects and you're good~

I shot a star, good luck!

Yoges wrote:

From my Q

[Collab]
01:33:620 (3,4) - Terrible flow.
The antiflow was intentional, I'm just not a good enough mapper yet to realize just how awkward it was to play. Repositioned (4)
01:34:502 (6,1) - ^
Repositioned (1)
01:54:444 (1) - To make breaks better you can drag when the warning arrows appear and when letterbox starts


Thanks for the tip, didn't know that
02:11:561 (8,1) - Again really bad flow. I'd recommend looking at this post
This was also intentional, to try and emphasize (1)
02:17:562 (3) - Why the stupidly fast SV? It's just random it doesn't fit with the music at all.
Honestly, I don't think 1.25x is really cause for alarm here. Reduced to 1.0x regardless.
- Your streams need a lot of work.
02:31:502 (5) - Add note
Added, I agree


Yeah um. There's quite a lot of flaws in that map those ^ were just some of the major ones i could spot. Most of the time there doesn't seem to be any clear pattern the notes are placed kind of randomly. You're both completely inexperienced mappers you're in no condition to be doing a collab. I'd advise both of you to first get some experience ALONE then try again when you're ready.
Well, I disagree. Since we're both still learning, I think that it's more fun, as well as more productive, to be working on a map together. I intend to continue doing so until one of us says otherwise.

Yoges wrote:

From my Q

[Collab]

02:57:267 (3,5) - not a good overlap/stack Well, that's not too helpful since i disagree, but i changed it up a bit
03:00:444 (2,3) - bad flow and spacing. the note previous to it and the music would indicate to the player a note in the top right. eh, i switched up the flow / pattern, but i didnt stack all of it in the top right
04:24:091 (1) - Spinner's too short. The auto play mod needs to get a bonus of atleast 4000 i wonder how many maps would be unranked if this was true (it only needs 1000 on auto)
04:35:561 (1) - ^ ^^
04:36:621 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - All of this is terrible. It's not nice to look at or play. not to mention things are quite random. it's actually an extremely simple pattern, you just have to look at it once in editor to see how i moved each note, so i don't really see the randomness, unless you are mentioning the spacing (which i'd rather not change because it helps the song's build up), but i'll most likely adjust the spacing so it increases instead of switching from small jumps to large back to small. aaand being fun or looking nice don't always mean the same thing, but in this scenario, i'm keeping it similar to the way it is because to me...It's gucci

Yeah um. There's quite a lot of flaws in that map those ^ were just some of the major ones i could spot. Most of the time there doesn't seem to be any clear pattern the notes are placed kind of randomly. You're both completely inexperienced mappers you're in no condition to be doing a collab. I'd advise both of you to first get some experience ALONE then try again when you're ready.

1. 00:02:561 (3) - some examples for these notes. you could space them out much further if you wish. Another idea is to simply stack it on the upcoming (1). Not mandatory, but options are nice.
2. 00:12:091 (2,3) - you could probably move this a little bit further away. It's starting to get pretty close to the previous.
3. 00:17:385 (1,2,1) - The movement here could be spaced a little as well. Even if it's just 1.0 it'll help. preferably a little more to emphasize on the bass drums.
4. 00:21:267 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - are you sure you want that long of a stream? Maybe consider using some repeat 1/4s at 00:21:973 (1) - or 00:23:385 (1) - or something. The other thing I want to mention is that you should try using sliders to create streams. As of right now, you have some spacing and movement that could be optimized. Simply create a slider, and hit control+shift+f and a distance of 0.8 DS.
5. Generally this whole slow section feels a bit clumped together. It's not a bad thing, but you could probably make due with a little bit more spacing.
6. 00:35:385 (1,2,3,4) - seems like you're trying to build up the rhythm a bit here. It works somewhat until you drop it again 6-7 notes later. Instead of trying to force the rhythm, consider just sticking more related to the piano part while letting the tail ends carry the rhythm you want.. ie: http://puu.sh/jPULS.jpg
7. 00:41:032 (1,2,3,4,5) - It's basically the same idea here. I don't really think you need to up the rhythm here personally. Just a simple repeat of what you've been doing would be more than enough.
8. 00:50:738 (5) - missing whistle on head?
9. 00:50:738 (5) - Also again on this. Due to note stacking and such. It'll be a bit hard to stack these properly. I would honestly just move the (3) or the (5) slider somewhere else so they don't really interact.
10. 01:06:444 (7) - pretty long (duration-wise) combo. NC?
11. 01:23:385 (1,2,3,4) - you seem to be a vocal loving person. You should consider putting the dominant notes (slider starts / circles) where the vocals have the most effect: 01:23:385 - 01:23:914 - 01:24:444 - are examples of those.
12. 01:29:385 (5) - try something like x392 y336 so the spacing is more consistent with the previous and next notes
13. 01:33:267 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I honestly don't really know what you are trying to follow here. It seems more obvious that you made up your own rhythm to it. I would honestly consider revising it to match the synth playing in the background if at all possible. currently, spots like 01:35:738 (6) - feel a bit strange to listen to. The idea is to compliment the music, not take it over if that makes sense.
14. 01:41:385 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - from the beginning up to these, it still felt a bit random. This rhythm here makes a bit more sense. Don't feel pressured to overmap anything, even if you are just trying to introduce your own rhythm.
15. 01:58:502 - for more variety, you can try adding in some 1/4 like this: http://puu.sh/jPVCt.jpg since the drums back it up here.
16. 02:06:267 (4) - you could try moving this under 02:05:737 (1) - or where 02:07:502 (2) - is positioned as well for slightly better flow into the stream. Also maybe consider moving the other notes around to make it feel more like a triangle: http://puu.sh/jPVQg.jpg
17. 02:07:150 (1) - onwards. are you sure you want to use this kind of spacing? To be honest, you probably don't need to space every note out as far as you do. even 1.4-1.6 is more than enough.
18. 02:10:326 (2) - x332 y24 maybe?
19. 02:11:561 (8) - 1/2 slider? it feels like you skip out on 02:11:738 - which is imo a somewhat important note to hit. Most people will almost immediately move to it after 02:11:561 (8) - thinking it's just a standard jump anyways.
20. 02:21:267 - why the slowdown? nothing really changes in the music here to warrant it.
21. 02:41:385 (2,3) - Try adding a small curve into each of these
22. 02:43:855 (1,2,3,4) - follow the synth for rhythm maybe? Kind of the same idea from 01:23:385 (1,2,3,4) -

1. 02:55:503 (4) - you could probably move this from the (3) - try somewhere like x48 y206
2. 02:59:033 (7,8) - Optional, but I would consider spacing these out a bit more. try something like this? http://puu.sh/jPWzY.jpg
3. 03:08:562 (4,5) - if you're following vocals. wouldn't control+g on these two make more sense?
4. 03:14:914 (8) - Please NC this for the sudden SV change.
5. 03:28:680 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - that's a lot of circles for a section that has a lot of held vocals and such. Maybe consider using a few more sliders here?
6. 03:32:032 (3) - maybe stack this one on 03:31:326 (4) - ?
7. 03:35:738 (2) - maybe just use a 1/2 slider here and place a circle at 03:36:091 - ? It kind of cuts off the vocals and the beat having this 1/1 slider after building up with all the 1/2s and 1/4s you are using.
8. 03:50:209 (1) - although there isn't really a finish in the background. a finish on this note creates a nice effect with the bass.
9. 03:56:209 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - wow this gets cluttered. I would highly recommend you give it a bit more room if at all possible.
10. 04:01:503 (1) - onwards. For this light section. I would suggest using some whistle hitsounds. Mostly during the vocals since you seem to follow them here. Try placing some on the heads of 04:01:503 (1,2,3) - for example.
11. 04:04:680 (2,3) - If you're following vocals. swap these. Otherwise you can just leave it.
12. 04:16:503 (5,6,7) - control+g? it feels a bit spammy here but it'd be great if you can capture the key notes on sliderstarts or circles.
13. 04:31:327 (1,2,3,4) - erk offbeat hits. Nothing really calls for them as the downbeats are more dominant. consider moving these back or forward 1/2 in the timeline.
14. 04:50:561 (2) - momentum killer. I would honestly keep the mouse moving at this point. Try moving it down a bit.
15. 04:51:444 (3,4,5) - I'm not too fond of this linear movement. you could almost move the 04:51:797 (5) - to the top of the map around x400 y28 or something similar.
16. 05:03:268 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - you really love your antis XD | It isn't a problem, just it doesn't really match anything in the music to warrant it. I would personally just keep the momentum you've already got going. same goes for anything else after this.
17. 05:25:326 (1,2,3) - (2) isn't really needed so it could be deleted. maybe anti 1 and 3? so it kind of goes like this: http://puu.sh/jPXYN.jpg | Completly optional though.

Lanturn wrote:

m4m.

Really rusty, only change what you want to.

[Metadata]
http://www.tano-c.net/disc/tanocd-0018/

Artist: DJ Genki feat. yukacco

Some tags you can add: HARDCORE SYNDROME 8 TANO*C

[Collab]
Why not add a SB to show who does what part?

I would honestly use 9.0 if you are using lots of 1/1 spacing, also since it's a 170bpm song and the streams are relatively simple.
I'm also somewhat concerned at the slow parts that the HP drain might be a bit too much (you pretty much have to 100% the slow part at the beginning on HR). Consider dropping it 0.5-1? Especially since this is a marathon map.
AR 9.0. HP 6.5
kbuns:

1. 00:02:561 (3) - some examples for these notes. you could space them out much further if you wish. Another idea is to simply stack it on the upcoming (1). Not mandatory, but options are nice.
   Decided to take your suggestion and stack on the next slider.
2. 00:12:091 (2,3) - you could probably move this a little bit further away. It's starting to get pretty close to the previous.
   Changed
3. 00:17:385 (1,2,1) - The movement here could be spaced a little as well. Even if it's just 1.0 it'll help. preferably a little more to emphasize on the bass drums.
   Increased spacing from 1.0 to 1.5
4. 00:21:267 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - are you sure you want that long of a stream? Maybe consider using some repeat 1/4s at 00:21:973 (1) - or 00:23:385 (1) - or something. The other thing I want to mention is that you should try using sliders to create streams. As of right now, you have some spacing and movement that could be optimized. Simply create a slider, and hit control+shift+f and a distance of 0.8 DS.
   Recreated the stream from sliders and also added reverse sliders where you suggested. Thanks!
5. Generally this whole slow section feels a bit clumped together. It's not a bad thing, but you could probably make due with a little bit more spacing.
   I'll come back to this comment. I'm not sure what to change here at this moment
6. 00:35:385 (1,2,3,4) - seems like you're trying to build up the rhythm a bit here. It works somewhat until you drop it again 6-7 notes later. Instead of trying to force the rhythm, consider just sticking more related to the piano part while letting the tail ends carry the rhythm you want.. ie: http://puu.sh/jPULS.jpg
   Fixed
7. 00:41:032 (1,2,3,4,5) - It's basically the same idea here. I don't really think you need to up the rhythm here personally. Just a simple repeat of what you've been doing would be more than enough.
   Changed
8. 00:50:738 (5) - missing whistle on head?
   Fixed
9. 00:50:738 (5) - Also again on this. Due to note stacking and such. It'll be a bit hard to stack these properly. I would honestly just move the (3) or the (5) slider somewhere else so they don't really interact.
   Spaced (4,5) away from (3)
10. 01:06:444 (7) - pretty long (duration-wise) combo. NC?
    ok
11. 01:23:385 (1,2,3,4) - you seem to be a vocal loving person. You should consider putting the dominant notes (slider starts / circles) where the vocals have the most effect: 01:23:385 - 01:23:914 - 01:24:444 - are examples of those.
    Fixed, this sounds much better. Thanks
12. 01:29:385 (5) - try something like x392 y336 so the spacing is more consistent with the previous and next notes
    Nice
13. 01:33:267 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I honestly don't really know what you are trying to follow here. It seems more obvious that you made up your own rhythm to it. I would honestly consider revising it to match the synth playing in the background if at all possible. currently, spots like 01:35:738 (6) - feel a bit strange to listen to. The idea is to compliment the music, not take it over if that makes sense.
    Fixed, I outright remapped a large portion of this section
14. 01:41:385 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - from the beginning up to these, it still felt a bit random. This rhythm here makes a bit more sense. Don't feel pressured to overmap anything, even if you are just trying to introduce your own rhythm.
    Ok, I'll keep this in mind.
15. 01:58:502 - for more variety, you can try adding in some 1/4 like this: http://puu.sh/jPVCt.jpg since the drums back it up here.
    Good idea
16. 02:06:267 (4) - you could try moving this under 02:05:737 (1) - or where 02:07:502 (2) - is positioned as well for slightly better flow into the stream. Also maybe consider moving the other notes around to make it feel more like a triangle: http://puu.sh/jPVQg.jpg
    Really like this suggestion, thanks
17. 02:07:150 (1) - onwards. are you sure you want to use this kind of spacing? To be honest, you probably don't need to space every note out as far as you do. even 1.4-1.6 is more than enough.
    Changed
18. 02:10:326 (2) - x332 y24 maybe?
    Nice
19. 02:11:561 (8) - 1/2 slider? it feels like you skip out on 02:11:738 - which is imo a somewhat important note to hit. Most people will almost immediately move to it after 02:11:561 (8) - thinking it's just a standard jump anyways.
    Ok
20. 02:21:267 - why the slowdown? nothing really changes in the music here to warrant it.
    Well, I don't completely agree. I think the change in the synth part here allows for it. I'll consider revision
21. 02:41:385 (2,3) - Try adding a small curve into each of these
    Changed
22. 02:43:855 (1,2,3,4) - follow the synth for rhythm maybe? Kind of the same idea from 01:23:385 (1,2,3,4)
    Fixed
    -

Cool. Good luck!
Great mod, thank you!

Lanturn wrote:

m4m.

Really rusty, only change what you want to.

[Metadata]
http://www.tano-c.net/disc/tanocd-0018/

Artist: DJ Genki feat. yukacco

Some tags you can add: HARDCORE SYNDROME 8 TANO*C thanks for the tags, i kept on forgetting to find some

[Collab]
Why not add a SB to show who does what part?

I would honestly use 9.0 if you are using lots of 1/1 spacing, also since it's a 170bpm song and the streams are relatively simple.
I'm also somewhat concerned at the slow parts that the HP drain might be a bit too much (you pretty much have to 100% the slow part at the beginning on HR). Consider dropping it 0.5-1? Especially since this is a marathon map. Done. AR9 / HP 6.5



Trop:

1. 02:55:503 (4) - you could probably move this from the (3) - try somewhere like x48 y206 done.
2. 02:59:033 (7,8) - Optional, but I would consider spacing these out a bit more. try something like this? http://puu.sh/jPWzY.jpg i changed it to look something similar to the picture
3. 03:08:562 (4,5) - if you're following vocals. wouldn't control+g on these two make more sense? i hath pressed control+g here
4. 03:14:914 (8) - Please NC this for the sudden SV change. done
5. 03:28:680 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - that's a lot of circles for a section that has a lot of held vocals and such. Maybe consider using a few more sliders here? i added some cute little sliders
6. 03:32:032 (3) - maybe stack this one on 03:31:326 (4) - ? done.
7. 03:35:738 (2) - maybe just use a 1/2 slider here and place a circle at 03:36:091 - ? It kind of cuts off the vocals and the beat having this 1/1 slider after building up with all the 1/2s and 1/4s you are using. done
8. 03:50:209 (1) - although there isn't really a finish in the background. a finish on this note creates a nice effect with the bass. where would i be in life without your mod? (done)
9. 03:56:209 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - wow this gets cluttered. I would highly recommend you give it a bit more room if at all possible. breathing room has been implemented for those poor young circles and sliders
10. 04:01:503 (1) - onwards. For this light section. I would suggest using some whistle hitsounds. Mostly during the vocals since you seem to follow them here. Try placing some on the heads of 04:01:503 (1,2,3) - for example. done
11. 04:04:680 (2,3) - If you're following vocals. swap these. Otherwise you can just leave it. i swapped them
12. 04:16:503 (5,6,7) - control+g? it feels a bit spammy here but it'd be great if you can capture the key notes on sliderstarts or circles. control+g hath been pressed again
13. 04:31:327 (1,2,3,4) - erk offbeat hits. Nothing really calls for them as the downbeats are more dominant. consider moving these back or forward 1/2 in the timeline. oops, your right, i missed that.
14. 04:50:561 (2) - momentum killer. I would honestly keep the mouse moving at this point. Try moving it down a bit. i supposed i should stop killing momentum (fixed)
15. 04:51:444 (3,4,5) - I'm not too fond of this linear movement. you could almost move the 04:51:797 (5) - to the top of the map around x400 y28 or something similar. yeah that was an old pattern that doesn't really fit anymore (fixed)
16. 05:03:268 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - you really love your antis XD | It isn't a problem, just it doesn't really match anything in the music to warrant it. I would personally just keep the momentum you've already got going. same goes for anything else after this. fixed
17. 05:25:326 (1,2,3) - (2) isn't really needed so it could be deleted. maybe anti 1 and 3? so it kind of goes like this: http://puu.sh/jPXYN.jpg | Completly optional though.

since i cleaned up my other antis, i might as well redo this one too. (fixed)

Cool. Good luck!

Rusty or not, this was a fantastic mod, thank you so much

Panxo_Gamer wrote:

M4M here we go:

Collab

00:25:502 - I feel that there is missing a note
Disagree, the rhythm represents the light right hand melody played by the piano here. Mapping this lower chord would be a mistake
00:33:973 - the same
^
00:45:267 - the same
^
00:47:032 (2) - straightens the slider, something like that: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3611816
This doesn't add much to the map so no change
00:51:620 (6,7,8) - exchange it for a long slider ending in 00:52:326 (8)
No, this pattern builds up the rhythm so that the next part of the map makes more sense.
01:43:150 (1) - changing the slider, it looks ugly
I agree that it is ugly, but it fits the rough sound of the synth. No change
02:39:973 - I feel that there is missing a note
Nope, pretty clearly following the synth.


I really liked your map hope you do well, good luck
Thanks for the mod ^^

Panxo_Gamer wrote:

M4M here we go:

Collab



04:16:679 - here you should start a slider i highly prefer the current rhythm for that part

05:03:973 (4) - change the slider looks ugly, besides this is just outside the area but still I made the slider symmetrical and moved it

I really liked your map hope you do well, good luck

Koiukizi wrote:

M4M boi: I'm new to the map scene so don't judge. (side note: my mixtape drops soon be sure to check it out i spit dat hot fire.)

Collab

Troponoop:

03:12:797 (4,5) - I feel like stacking these wasn't the correct choice, Consider changing. I spaced them out a tiny bit to help with readability

03:13:503 (1,2,3,4) - Changing the distance snap so much on these kick sliders makes it really weird to play and flow really poorly. My aim for those sliders was to make them funky fresh so i enjoy their look, and for the flow, i put the previous sliders (4)(5) to give the player a heads up for these sliders

03:20:561 (3,1,1,2,3,4,5) - Weird stack. i stack and NC 03:20:561 (3,1) - so the player will be prepared for the sliders that follow.

03:29:385 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5) - I don't like the flow on these patterns. i was going for a simple back and forth design for those notes and i am mildly content with what i have, but i'll definitely look into changing it around

03:38:209 (5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - I think this would fit the rhythm better as a jump pattern i highly prefer the sliders into the stream because i feel as though it emphasizes the woooosh sound better than jumps (i have no clue how to describe it lol)

04:00:973 - I think the break should carry on until this point in the song; from the end of the break until here is a really slow part that's hard to make it so that it's fun to play without overmapping, plus you already skipped half of that part anyway. Well then there goes the 5 min drain time, but besides that, I don't think that the entire part is overmapped, and we had to skip stuff because you need some sort of breaks in the long song

04:09:974 (3,4) - Another random switch from mapping to the vocals into mapping the piano, but this one doesn't fit in well at all. the reasoning for that was to emphasize the following piano notes 04:11:385 (1,2,3,4) - and following the vocals would leave odd pauses and weird rhythms for the most part, so i did what i could to mix the two

04:15:621 (2,3,4,5,6,7,1) - doesn't fit the rhythm very well. i changed it to match the vocals better

04:52:327 (8,1) - Nasty stack it's a recurring stack that i use to for the pattern that follows it

04:57:973 (1,1) - ^ same thing as above

05:07:855 (2,3) - ^ i spaced it out

05:12:797 (1,2,3,4) - ^ fixed

05:14:915 (6,1) - ^ keeping this

05:20:561 (5,1) - ^ this one might be okay if you get rid of the new combo. im staying consistent with those patterns, so i'll keep it the same

Again, I'm very new at mapping so take everything with a grain of salt, I really like the way some of the parts are mapped and I really enjoy the song, and hope to see it ranked soon. Gl!

thanks for the mod and i look forward to your mix tape!

Synpoo wrote:

hello, m4m~

GENERAL

1. Delete drum-hitnormal.wav as it isn't used (i think...)
2. nice bg

Collab

1. 00:16:679 (4,1) - Minor overlap, looks untidy tho
   Fixed. Forgot to fix when I changed the pattern
2. 00:24:179 - Consider using the silent sliderslide sound here, the default sound is distracting and ruins the nice piano here
   Ok
3. 00:25:502 - Missed the piano here?
4. 00:31:150 - ^
5. 00:33:973 - ^
6. 00:45:267 - ^
   All intentional. I'm not mapping the lower chords of the piano and sticking to the right hand melody.
7. 01:05:738 (5) - Why not use a slider to properly represent vocals? There's nothing that should be clicked on 6 anyways
   Agreed
8. 01:23:032 (3,1) - Idk if this overlap is intended but it doesn't look good (it's too noticeable to not be intended though...)
   WOW HOW DID I MISS THAT LOL
9. 01:24:797 (4) - Wow this is the most random and uncalled-for finish ever. There's literally no note there that should be clicked and a super loud finish is there for no reason
   Was supposed to be a whistle, oops lol
10. 01:44:914 - How come this randomly didn't get mapped
    Suspense. Might be mapped at a later date
11. 01:58:502 (1,2,3) - Needs more spacing from 8, similar to 02:01:326 (1,2,3) -
    Fixed
12. 02:02:032 (5,1) - More spacing
    Fixed
13. 02:06:179 - Could be a triplet here
    Well yeah, there could be. But this rhythm flows more nicely
14. 02:13:326 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Errrr what exactly is this stream representing
    Removed
15. 02:19:855 (1,2,3) - If you're gonna place triples where they don't belong at least start them on red ticks so they play better and emphasize the stronger beat
    Fixed
16. 02:29:032 (6) - Shouldn't be a repeat, just a 1/2 instead. If you keep it a repeat then you should keep mapping the stream.
    Fixed
17. 02:34:679 (2,3,4,5,6) - If you want to properly represent the music then the rhythm here is 1/2 slider-circle-circle and not a stream
    Fine, fine
18. 02:40:326 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - Another random stream that has no place here whatsoever
    Removed
19. 02:47:385 (5,6,7,8) - And then you skip a stream when there's clearly one that's heard here.. .come on don't map random streams and skip actual streams ;-;
    :'( fixed
20. 02:50:914 (1,3) - Priti ugly overlap
    Fixed

I didn't really say much near the end because I would've been repeating myself but ye

gl~

Koiukizi wrote:

M4M boi: I'm new to the map scene so don't judge. (side note: my mixtape drops soon be sure to check it out i spit dat hot fire.)
Ayyy lmao hmu wen it do drop tho
Collab

Kbuns:

00:02:208 (2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2) - Seems to be mapped to no sound at all, If you plan on taking this approach no matter what, I suggest turning the effects volume down because as it is right now. it feels really overwhelming.
Mapped to hi-hat 1/2
00:13:326 (2,2,2,3) - ^ Same, but this one is much more tolerable and doesn't need to be changed
Hi-hat
00:17:914 (2) - I don't think this note should be here at all, and I think it sounds much better without it
Will consider, no change yet
00:51:620 (6,7,8) - ^ For the same reason as above, I think these three notes should be changed to a single slider because it fits the rhythm and flow better imo.

Example

No, this builds up rhythm
00:54:444 (1,2,3,4,5) - I don't like the sudden switch from mapping to the singing and small bits of piano into solely mapping to the piano, I think this should be changed.
I do
00:59:208 (4,6,4,4) - These sliders look like you didn't put much effort into them, they look really nasty and don't fit in well with the song.
I disagree
02:09:973 (1,2,3) - This combo doesn't fit in well with the flow, consider changing it.
Disagree, it flows well into the stream
02:52:503 (1,2,3,4) - This combo is really inconsistent, While switching from kick sliders to a long slider helped the transition to the next combo, I think it would be better if you convert the slider to a stream and change the last note into a slider that replaces the note of the next combo.

Example

As a transition, it works really well, and that's what the song requires here.

Again, I'm very new at mapping so take everything with a grain of salt, I really like the way some of the parts are mapped and I really enjoy the song, and hope to see it ranked soon. Gl!

Synpoo wrote:

hello, m4m~

GENERAL

1. Delete drum-hitnormal.wav as it isn't used (i think...) oh shit, I've been found out (deleted)
2. nice bg

Collab

1. 03:05:385 (2,3,4) - Idk if these are supposed to be some edgy sliders to start a slider revolution or something but they aren't blanketing each other properly and it looks really bad I love me a good revolution, but i remade the sliders
2. 03:21:267 (3) - Nothing on this blue tick but there's some on 03:21:708 - 03:21:885 I redid the rhythm for this part and the rest of the repeating patterns
3. 03:35:209 (4) - No reason to have this end on the white tick It's just some preferential white tick treatment
4. 04:30:267 (3) - Why the repeat here when these blue tick beats here 04:30:621 (4,5,6) - i was going for the synthesizer sound with the repeating slider
5. 04:35:561 (1) - A spinner doesn't properly represent the music here...you miss important beats to follow pretty much nothing with it I wanted to emphasize the woooosh sound (dunno how else to describe it)
6. 04:59:032 (5,6,1,2,3) - Overlap central, this pattern looks super messy, clean it up I have carried out my janitorial duties and have cleaned up the mess
7. 05:31:855 (1,2,3,4,1) - Maybe give these spacing like the rest of 1/4 sliders that represented streams done

I didn't really say much near the end because I would've been repeating myself but ye

gl~

1. That diff name tho