qoot8123 wrote:

很棒的譜,何時能qualified;w;

如果要去TNA找摸的话 得等两周 我现在没时间摸图
主要有一个太鼓BN接了M4M还在鸽我 本来还找了另外一个BN这波下狗潮完了暂时不敢点不擅长的模式 美丽

mintJAM's Deconstruction Oni

01:41:760 (54) - personally i think a K would fit better than a D here
01:54:147 (162) - Same here

02:34:212 (212) - D here would fit nicely
02:46:211 (48) - Same here
02:49:115 (71) - Same here

02:51:631 (90) - K

02:52:018 (94) - D

02:57:728 (139) - K
03:01:695 (171) - K
03:56:082 (122) - K
04:14:082 (226) - K

04:35:179 (363) - K would fit nicely here, just like here 01:41:760 (54) - 01:54:147 (162) -
04:47:566 (471) - And here

Hope this was helpful. I am not a experienced modder .-.

do you need my second bub? :^}

PatZar wrote:

do you need my second bub? :^}

are u plannd to be Yellow tinja again, sir?

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[Oni]
-) The source is wrong. Since around a year we decided to use the exact game for Touhou-related songs, for your case the source should be 東方永夜抄　～ Imperishable Night. (include the dot at the end too!)

00:19:600 (100,102) - personally I'd suggest to switch them because the vocals are quite strong at 00:19:600 - .
00:32:567 (25,27) - (25) sounds imo too deep as using kat here. (27) on the other hand is good to go with kat.
00:35:276 (56,57) - ^ pretty similar reason.
00:37:502 (81) - It sounds lighter to me than using don note here, use kat instead.
00:42:535 (138,139,140,141,142) - just my 2ct but kkddk as 1/8 could be reeeeally too hard for no good reason, kkkkd instead might be enough and could be used instead.
00:55:696 (285,286) - add a line on 00:56:083 - with 1.00x SV and change the SV for 00:55:696 - to 1.12x, it's a smoother transistion.
01:19:051 (402,403) - the 1/3 usage is odd imo, although I see the reason of using it.
02:06:534 - 02:12:341 - I'd set the SV on a higher level since 0.75x ~ 1.00x is such a stream-heavy part is really horrible to read, as good as the pattern are.

Change 02:06:534 - to 0.90x, add lines for 02:07:696 (12,13,14,15,16) - from 0.91x ~ 0.95x,
02:09:341 - 02:09:437 - 02:09:534 - 02:09:631 - from 0.96x ~ 1.00x,
02:10:792 (45,46,47,48,49) - from 1.01x ~ 1.05x
02:11:954 - 02:12:050 - 02:12:147 - 02:12:244 - 02:12:341 - from 1.06x ~ 1.10x.

So in total it should be this: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/icBCSp5y.png

02:18:244 (105,106) - for the sake of playability you should switch them. 1/8 kkk is okay while 1/8 kkd looks quite pointless and just to increase the difficulty level.
04:53:760 - 05:18:437 - pretty much the same things I've pointed out for the first kiai.

Being honest, I am not really a fan of mintong's part but it's fine. If you're ready, please pm me back. Oh and don't forget to change your username for the beatmap, you can ask me for help if you have trouble.

Stefan wrote:

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[Oni]
-) The source is wrong. Since around a year we decided to use the exact game for Touhou-related songs, for your case the source should be 東方永夜抄　～ Imperishable Night. (include the dot at the end too!) Fixed

00:19:600 (100,102) - personally I'd suggest to switch them because the vocals are quite strong at 00:19:600 - . Fixed
00:32:567 (25,27) - (25) sounds imo too deep as using kat here. (27) on the other hand is good to go with kat. Fixed
00:35:276 (56,57) - ^ pretty similar reason. Fixed
00:37:502 (81) - It sounds lighter to me than using don note here, use kat instead. Fixed
00:42:535 (138,139,140,141,142) - just my 2ct but kkddk as 1/8 could be reeeeally too hard for no good reason, kkkkd instead might be enough and could be used instead. Fixed
00:55:696 (285,286) - add a line on 00:56:083 - with 1.00x SV and change the SV for 00:55:696 - to 1.12x, it's a smoother transistion. Fixed in another way
01:19:051 (402,403) - the 1/3 usage is odd imo, although I see the reason of using it. Removed
02:06:534 - 02:12:341 - I'd set the SV on a higher level since 0.75x ~ 1.00x is such a stream-heavy part is really horrible to read, as good as the pattern are. cant find mintong Fixed in another way

Change 02:06:534 - to 0.90x, add lines for 02:07:696 (12,13,14,15,16) - from 0.91x ~ 0.95x,
02:09:341 - 02:09:437 - 02:09:534 - 02:09:631 - from 0.96x ~ 1.00x,
02:10:792 (45,46,47,48,49) - from 1.01x ~ 1.05x
02:11:954 - 02:12:050 - 02:12:147 - 02:12:244 - 02:12:341 - from 1.06x ~ 1.10x.

So in total it should be this: https://derpovic.s-ul.eu/icBCSp5y.png

02:18:244 (105,106) - for the sake of playability you should switch them. 1/8 kkk is okay while 1/8 kkd looks quite pointless and just to increase the difficulty level. kkd & ddk maybe easier for playing (someone told me before), I resaw the map and decide to change all 1/8 triplets to kkd / ddk.
04:53:760 - 05:18:437 - pretty much the same things I've pointed out for the first kiai. Done.

Being honest, I am not really a fan of mintong's part but it's fine. If you're ready, please pm me back. Oh and don't forget to change your username for the beatmap, you can ask me for help if you have trouble.

Thanks for modding!

Edit: I have also made some pattern changes in 2nd and 4th kiai.

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HERE WE GO

Approved!

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gratz lol madnuts map !!111

true 5.77

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gratz, at least me, i enjoyed the map (i usually play these kind of maps so..), some people will hate the map, but it's just something different from what we usually see qualified, i don't know what will happen in these days, but good luck :3

fun fact 2: If I delete the third note of all 1/8s in the first and last kiai (for kkkkd, which appears only once in each kiai, delete it as kk kd), the star rating goes to 6.37

pw384 wrote:

fun fact 2: If I delete the third note of all 1/8s in the first and last kiai (for kkkkd, which appears only once in each kiai, delete it as kk kd), the star rating goes to 6.37

well thats pp pattern were mainstream used in dgf maps nowadays :^)

D O U B L E S

Grim Rapper wrote:

fun fact: Lasse also mapped a standard version (much more playable tbh) for this song

fun fact: Hollow Wings is the 1st modder to mod this map. so don't expect much more playable in this map I mean

EDIT: Update fun facts

ok. First block contains things that I find generally more troublesome, second block I just think should be changed as personal opinion.


00:42:535 (138,139,140,141,142) - This (and the same one in the last kiai) are the only times where the 1/8 bass is mapped as 1/8 while in all other appearances (e.g. 01:01:309 - ) it's 1/6. Personally, I wouldn't miss the 1/6 7-plets at all and would actually like to see 5-plet 1/8 there instead (including 01:05:373 (316,317,318,319,320,321,322) - with other colors of course), but it would also make sense if the 1/8 bass is mapped as 1/6 instead, because personally it doesn't ruin the flow.
> 01:33:631 (517,518,519,520,521,522) - Is 1/8+1/4. This is what the wrong 1/6 mapping leads to: Completely odd things.
> 02:38:663 (243,244,245,246,247,248) - ^ Tho this is mintong's part which makes it slightly more ok to have it like this.

01:46:405 (94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105) - While I don't like the other short streams like this either (mentioned later), I strongly believe this one is a mistake. It's rhythm is not featured in the song in any way, compared to the other short streams which mostly do.

02:00:341 - Why is the 2nd crash on a lower volume? Seems pointless to me.

02:06:534 - Both streams don't make sense at all to me. There's nothing in song suggesting a stream, or 1/6. It feels more intense than actually intense parts of this song, it makes other 1/6 more irrelevant since it's mapped to nothing/ 1/3 sounds. Drum rolls or spinners would just make much more sense to me.

Part from 02:12:728 - to 02:23:566 - : Seems randomly mapped to me as well. It starts of with random rhythms like 02:13:502 (68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75) - , ends with "normal" snap 02:19:696 (114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121) - . Beginning of each bar seems random, too: Sometimes it's with a doublet on blue tick, a quad, or a triplet starting on red tick. Quads and triplets share the spots where they appear in (2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th bar) but the system behind them doesn't become apparent regardless, neither behind the rhythms mentioned first.

Next part features structure oddities like 02:27:437 (162,163,164) - vs. 02:33:825 (208,209,210,211,212,213) - as well.

02:57:631 - I don't wanna complain since I don't like them anyway, but: Why is there no stream here?

03:35:566 (28) - Also don't really get why this wasn't mapped as kat like the rest of the 3rd white ticks in this part.
> 03:46:405 (82) - ^ (tbh the 1/4 feels random too)

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00:02:955 (2) - Gives the map more speed than it should. The song is just starting, this is a rather calm intro and you are starting it off with a 1/4 doublet that is normally used to break boring structure and make the map feel more upbeat. This is too early for that, in my honest opinion and you should reconsider these.
> This also includes 00:07:406 (25) - 00:09:148 (31) - 00:11:858 (46) - 00:12:632 (51) - 00:13:406 (56) -

00:16:600 (73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89) - And as promised, my complaints about all the long streams. There are two things I dislike about them other than their sometimes odd rhythm: They really don't fit the song. Again there's no sound they are following, but that's a secondary issue for me. My main problem is that it actually disturbs it a lot as well, and there's one main suspect for this: 00:17:471 (82) - This very note. It connects two phrases that shouldn't be connected like this because it washes away their importance. 00:17:374 (81) - This is where one ends, 00:17:568 (83) - this is where one starts. Connecting them feels odd because of this as they should not be connected.
> What I also don't get is why this is a long stream even outside kiai while 00:20:761 - is missing.

<insert suggested color changes for 1/8 stream here>

01:01:115 (299,300,301,302,303,304,305) - As mentioned in above part I think this should instead be a 1/8 5-plet starting from 01:01:309 - with a single note 01:01:115 - here. Doesn't make sense to start the 1/6 this early imo.

01:08:664 (331,332,333,334,335,336,337) - These patterns don't make sense to me. They, too, cover up the vocals too much for me and the rhythm is seemingly random. It's also, luckily, not repeated 01:11:760 - here.
> also applies to 01:14:857 (375,376,377,378,379,380,381) -

01:24:728 (439,440,441,442,443,444,445,446,447,448,449,450,451,452,453,454,455) - Another stream that appears randomly to me, but..

01:29:373 - ...this one tops it off. With its random rhythm changes (oxxoxxo, then oxooxoxx) and no relation to song except "long notes" (long notes aren't several single notes), it ends as one of the bigger problems I personally have with the map while not being an as large issue as ones mentioned in the first block.

Mintong's part. Same things as mentioned in first block. I just fail to see a structure in many spots and when I believe I do it's overthrown two seconds later. I would just love more insight in sudden doublet rhythms or color usages because I can't fit them to drums, background instruments, or vocals (example being 02:50:082 (79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88) - where vocals on 02:51:147 - are ignored)


<Insert stuff here that repeats several times in the song like 1/6 or the short streams>


Here's hoping it doesn't cause unnecessary drama, good luck with the map.

Disqualified upon the points Nwolf mentioned to give you more time to settle things. Additionally it looks like more people can't agree with some of these 1/8 but didn't voice up yet. As always, stay calm and think about a middle way or other solutions if needed. Good luck.

Ok since there is a huge post about this map, I'll suggest some points as well.

00:46:502 (185,186,187,188) - When I was listening this section with 50% speed, I've noticed that these are coming in 1/6, not 1/4 + 1/8. It can be good to keep the 1/4 1/8 structure for the map itself but sound-wise they are not correct.

00:52:696 (256,257,258,259) - ^ (but if you change that it'll break consistency with the last part.)

05:09:727 (697,698,699,700) - ^

I feel HP setting seems a bit too high due to extremely high note's density in the end of the song ,you may set it lower .

mostly about playable i guess or nah, just minor

00:31:889 - / 00:44:276 - don, since 00:31:793 (16,17) - it sounds like down so yeah maybe or similar. tricky alternating orz
00:41:760 - ~ 00:42:341 - kkdkddk, accurate emphasize imo and easier..
00:42:825 - 00:42:922 - 00:43:018 - should have contrast colors for noticeable emphasize, dont leave it as dons..


edited, okok sirOno

Will reply what I fixed tomorrow, I'm waiting for luke raid now, just check all the suggestions and make some changes. All in all, I decide to change notes to more rely-to-song which previous I set to have more playable.

@Nwolf I change a lot from the first block and didn't check the second block yet, and I can't give the kudosu now :<
@qoot8123 You may have the kudosu too since I change HP from 6 to 5.5

Nwolf wrote:

ok. First block contains things that I find generally more troublesome, second block I just think should be changed as personal opinion.


00:42:535 (138,139,140,141,142) - This (and the same one in the last kiai) are the only times where the 1/8 bass is mapped as 1/8 while in all other appearances (e.g. 01:01:309 - ) it's 1/6. Personally, I wouldn't miss the 1/6 7-plets at all and would actually like to see 5-plet 1/8 there instead (including 01:05:373 (316,317,318,319,320,321,322) - with other colors of course), but it would also make sense if the 1/8 bass is mapped as 1/6 instead, because personally it doesn't ruin the flow.
> 01:33:631 (517,518,519,520,521,522) - Is 1/8+1/4. This is what the wrong 1/6 mapping leads to: Completely odd things.
> 02:38:663 (243,244,245,246,247,248) - ^ Tho this is mintong's part which makes it slightly more ok to have it like this.
When I mapped this song 2 years ago, I try to simplify the rhythm, but I still want to keep 1/8s in the first and last kiai.
Now I change my mind to make rhythm more close to the song. Most of the 1/6s have been changed to 1/8s. I know most of the taiko players will not be familiar with 1/8 rhythm, but :<
01:46:405 (94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105) - While I don't like the other short streams like this either (mentioned later), I strongly believe this one is a mistake. It's rhythm is not featured in the song in any way, compared to the other short streams which mostly do.
Fix this part. Before rebubbled, I change some part before this but didn't change this part
02:00:341 - Why is the 2nd crash on a lower volume? Seems pointless to me.
I feel ok to have this..
02:06:534 - Both streams don't make sense at all to me. There's nothing in song suggesting a stream, or 1/6. It feels more intense than actually intense parts of this song, it makes other 1/6 more irrelevant since it's mapped to nothing/ 1/3 sounds. Drum rolls or spinners would just make much more sense to me.

Part from 02:12:728 - to 02:23:566 - : Seems randomly mapped to me as well. It starts of with random rhythms like 02:13:502 (68,69,70,71,72,73,74,75) - , ends with "normal" snap 02:19:696 (114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121) - . Beginning of each bar seems random, too: Sometimes it's with a doublet on blue tick, a quad, or a triplet starting on red tick. Quads and triplets share the spots where they appear in (2nd, 4th, 6th, 8th bar) but the system behind them doesn't become apparent regardless, neither behind the rhythms mentioned first.

Next part features structure oddities like 02:27:437 (162,163,164) - vs. 02:33:825 (208,209,210,211,212,213) - as well.

02:57:631 - I don't wanna complain since I don't like them anyway, but: Why is there no stream here?

03:35:566 (28) - Also don't really get why this wasn't mapped as kat like the rest of the 3rd white ticks in this part.
> 03:46:405 (82) - ^ (tbh the 1/4 feels random too)
Fixed this, even it is mintong's part
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00:02:955 (2) - Gives the map more speed than it should. The song is just starting, this is a rather calm intro and you are starting it off with a 1/4 doublet that is normally used to break boring structure and make the map feel more upbeat. This is too early for that, in my honest opinion and you should reconsider these.
> This also includes 00:07:406 (25) - 00:09:148 (31) - 00:11:858 (46) - 00:12:632 (51) - 00:13:406 (56) -
Okay, removed
00:16:600 (73,74,75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89) - And as promised, my complaints about all the long streams. There are two things I dislike about them other than their sometimes odd rhythm: They really don't fit the song. Again there's no sound they are following, but that's a secondary issue for me. My main problem is that it actually disturbs it a lot as well, and there's one main suspect for this: 00:17:471 (82) - This very note. It connects two phrases that shouldn't be connected like this because it washes away their importance. 00:17:374 (81) - This is where one ends, 00:17:568 (83) - this is where one starts. Connecting them feels odd because of this as they should not be connected.
> What I also don't get is why this is a long stream even outside kiai while 00:20:761 - is missing.
:<
<insert suggested color changes for 1/8 stream here>

01:01:115 (299,300,301,302,303,304,305) - As mentioned in above part I think this should instead be a 1/8 5-plet starting from 01:01:309 - with a single note 01:01:115 - here. Doesn't make sense to start the 1/6 this early imo.

01:08:664 (331,332,333,334,335,336,337) - These patterns don't make sense to me. They, too, cover up the vocals too much for me and the rhythm is seemingly random. It's also, luckily, not repeated 01:11:760 - here.
> also applies to 01:14:857 (375,376,377,378,379,380,381) -

01:24:728 (439,440,441,442,443,444,445,446,447,448,449,450,451,452,453,454,455) - Another stream that appears randomly to me, but..

01:29:373 - ...this one tops it off. With its random rhythm changes (oxxoxxo, then oxooxoxx) and no relation to song except "long notes" (long notes aren't several single notes), it ends as one of the bigger problems I personally have with the map while not being an as large issue as ones mentioned in the first block.

Mintong's part. Same things as mentioned in first block. I just fail to see a structure in many spots and when I believe I do it's overthrown two seconds later. I would just love more insight in sudden doublet rhythms or color usages because I can't fit them to drums, background instruments, or vocals (example being 02:50:082 (79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88) - where vocals on 02:51:147 - are ignored)


<Insert stuff here that repeats several times in the song like 1/6 or the short streams>


Here's hoping it doesn't cause unnecessary drama, good luck with the map.

Fixed all from frukoyurdakul, qoot8123 and Surono.

sad to see this map dead...

额 总结来说就是我的部分烂？

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