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Aus/NZ osu!standard 25,000+ Tournament

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Vaporwave
Will this be streamed?
TrueLucifer
Good luck to everyone :D
MilkyTaste

[ Wolfy ] wrote:

Will this be streamed?
Is there anyone in NZ or Aus with the bandwidth to stream? :P
Nijntje
Please this is Australia, not America or England, our internet is crap xD

Okay, jokes aside, New Zealand has better internet, right?
Vaporwave

Nijntje wrote:

Please this is Australia, not America or England, our internet is crap xD

Okay, jokes aside, New Zealand has better internet, right?
It really doesn't, but there is cable in Australia... in every city...
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EmeraldStar82
I can easily stream it since I have NBN (thanks tony)

There probably won't be any commentary though ._.
Vaporwave

EmeraldStar82 wrote:

I can easily stream it since I have NBN (thanks tony)

There probably won't be any commentary though ._.
Commentary isn't the problem, we can easily find commentators.
Contact Loctav and get the streaming client :>
Vaporwave
Now that it's the 23rd, (and registrations are closed) do you think we'd be able to see things like the map pool, bracket etc.. to start practising before the 3rd...?

..and more info please<3(dont want to be stuck playing 3star maps IOW)
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EmeraldStar82

[ Wolfy ] wrote:

Now that it's the 23rd, (and registrations are closed) do you think we'd be able to see things like the map pool, bracket etc.. to start practising before the 3rd...?

..and more info please<3(dont want to be stuck playing 3star maps IOW)
I'm hoping to get the bracket done by tomorrow, also the times you'll be playing.
I'm also going to write up the rules and release them tomorrow too.

Map pool will be released next weekend.
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EmeraldStar82
OP has been updated, please read carefully.
Bentobito
Having the seedings be arranged by ranks, isn't that kind of bad?
As the Finals will be Victor Higher ranks vs Victor Lower ranks and the only match in the tournament with the higher ranks vs lower ranks.
Maybe IMHO the seeds should be more randomized
(sorry for my bad explanation but is it understandable?)
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EmeraldStar82

Bentobito wrote:

Having the seedings be arranged by ranks, isn't that kind of bad?
As the Finals will be Victor Higher ranks vs Victor Lower ranks and the only match in the tournament with the higher ranks vs lower ranks.
Maybe IMHO the seeds should be more randomized
(sorry for my bad explanation but is it understandable?)
I understand your concern but this way the matches will be "fairer" until the grand final, it's makes for better games to start with.
Bentobito
True... I understand where you are coming at but the finals should be the most intense and have the hardest maps (if we assume maps scale in difficulty) with the two strongest competitors.
Thus, for example you have [30k vs 40k] and [90k vs 100k] on an insane song with the former able to keep combos on it whilst the latter barely surviving, the finals would be a harder map with the victor of the higher bracket barely passing and the victor of the lower bracket hardly hitting notes, in which the finals would be a 1 way stomp.
I feel that if the beatmaps get harder over the tournament (in which i believe they should), by the finals the map difficulty would be too high for equal competition.
As such I believe it should be better to have randomized brackets earlier and in easier songs (in which we lower ranked players play more in) there will be a greater chance for victory as compared to the finals where the difficulty is played more by the higher rank.

TLDR: It'll be easier for lower ranks to win in easier songs that they usually play than harder songs the higher ranks play in a scaling competition. Also, 2 high ranks playing round 1 is going to be 2 x SS, gonna be a spinfest... that wouldn't be fun
Vaporwave

I'm sorry, but what happened to this being a #25,000+ tournament...?
WhakMyWontons
that's his mania rank
Vaporwave

WhakMyWontons wrote:

that's his mania rank
Saw after, my mistake.
Theosaur
Oh my god everyone's so good, ahhh >-<
MilkyTaste

Bentobito wrote:

stuff
What you've explained is how the previous tournament was structured, and people complained. They've flipped it to make those people happy. Doesn't matter what you do, someone will have an unfair game at some point.

That said, I agree with your post that it's the finale that should be exciting, but this way at least everyone will enjoy the first first game.



Questions re the rules:

* In the event of a tie on a particular map, that map will become void and no participant will be rewarded with a win.
* A revived score is a counted score. If you have failed at the end of the map however, and your opponent is alive then you will have lost.
What happens if both players fail? Is that a tie?

* Each participant will take turns in selecting a map from the map pool until a winner has been decided.
How is a winner decided? First to 4?


Sorry if I missed the answers in the OP.
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EmeraldStar82

ScreamingHawk wrote:

* In the event of a tie on a particular map, that map will become void and no participant will be rewarded with a win.
* A revived score is a counted score. If you have failed at the end of the map however, and your opponent is alive then you will have lost.
What happens if both players fail? Is that a tie?
If this happens, the player with the higher score wins.

ScreamingHawk wrote:

* Each participant will take turns in selecting a map from the map pool until a winner has been decided.
How is a winner decided? First to 4?
I haven't fully decided on this but I was thinking a BO7 (first to 4) for up to the semi's where it will maybe be BO9 then the gf which would be BO11

Thanks for raising these points, I will update OP to include them
Vaporwave
Do we have dates for any other matches in the bracket? I need to make sure I have nothing planned for the days I'm playing.
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EmeraldStar82
In the evening on Saturday, Sunday and maybe Friday. Like 7pm to a max of 11-11:30pm
TheJimnebob
What! There's no flashlight map pool. :P
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EmeraldStar82

TheJimnebob wrote:

What! There's no flashlight map pool. :P
m8

pls
TheJimnebob
How will the map difficulty system work? There are some high level people as well as low level in the tournament. How will you decide what maps are right?
Vaporwave

TheJimnebob wrote:

How will the map difficulty system work? There are some high level people as well as low level in the tournament. How will you decide what maps are right?
This.
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EmeraldStar82

[ Wolfy ] wrote:

TheJimnebob wrote:

How will the map difficulty system work? There are some high level people as well as low level in the tournament. How will you decide what maps are right?
This.
I've been thinking about this because I knew it was going to be a bit of a problem. My current solution is to have two map pools, one for the upper bracket and one for the lower bracket. If anyone else has any suggestions feel free to share.
Vaporwave

EmeraldStar82 wrote:

I've been thinking about this because I knew it was going to be a bit of a problem. My current solution is to have two map pools, one for the upper bracket and one for the lower bracket. If anyone else has any suggestions feel free to share.
What if a lower rank player gets matched against a higher one...?
MilkyTaste

[ Wolfy ] wrote:

What if a lower rank player gets matched against a higher one...?
The top half of the tournament has the higher ranked players and lower half the lower ranked, so the extreme cases of this won't happen (until near the finale at least). Do like the idea of having different pools for each bracket.

I was able to clear my opponents top play songs and we are 20k rank different. As long as the maps in my match are sub 4.5 star I think will be fun will both of us.

I'm coming for you - Karamu - ;)
Vaporwave

ScreamingHawk wrote:

[ Wolfy ] wrote:

What if a lower rank player gets matched against a higher one...?
The top half of the tournament has the higher ranked players and lower half the lower ranked, so the extreme cases of this won't happen (until near the finale at least). Do like the idea of having different pools for each bracket.

I was able to clear my opponents top play songs and we are 20k rank different. As long as the maps in my match are sub 4.5 star I think will be fun will both of us.

I'm coming for you - Karamu - ;)
What I meant is that if someone say 200k+ (I think there's a couple) gets matched with someone sub 30k,
Then it's either going to be boring for one of them. (If one of them manages to get near the finale vsing the same around their rank.)

I don't doubt that someone 20k~ rank above can top their top play songs.
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EmeraldStar82
The way the bracket is setup right now, if a 200k manages to get to the final then they would probably have no problem playing insane maps.

I'm going for the most fun setup from the players' point of view without worrying about the finals, I've played in a seeded tournament effort and it wasn't very fun because I got destroyed, if I were to have versed someone of my skill level to start with then it would have been a closer game and it would have also been a lot more fun.
Vaporwave
So hyped. Map pool! :D
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EmeraldStar82

[ Wolfy ] wrote:

So hyped. Map pool! :D
It will be released when I get home from school c:
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EmeraldStar82
Map pool is live. Check OP.
MilkyTaste
YAY! Some great maps in here :3 Decent range too.

Good luck everyone

Edit: Can you confirm how freemod works? Is it that the person that chooses the map decides the mods for both players or each player picks their own mods? Also is nomod a valid freemod choice? What about flashlight? ;)
TheJimnebob
I believe it is choose what ever mod you want.
TheJimnebob
Is the tie breaker a free mod map?
TheJimnebob
Also the map pack lower leads to the upper one.
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EmeraldStar82

ScreamingHawk wrote:

Can you confirm how freemod works? or each player picks their own mods? Also is nomod a valid freemod choice? What about flashlight? ;)
The person that chooses the map decides the mods for both players.

Nomod is also a valid freemod choice. No flashlight or double time.

TheJimnebob wrote:

Also the map pack lower leads to the upper one.
Fixed.
-James_old_1
can i participate here?
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EmeraldStar82

CrimsonMildred wrote:

can i participate here?
Unfortunately this is an Australian/New Zealand tournament only. The registration period has also passed. Sorry mate.
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