Hollow Wings wrote:

osu几乎所有曲子的bpm设定都是翻倍的

-APXH wrote:

[HW's Insane]
00:26:796 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - Just suggestion, but don't base so many objects on the same point; it can get boring REAL quick lol that won't be boring if you have went through larger jumps before, those stack stuffs fit the quiet part very good imo.
02:52:630 (1) - This is place on the beat differently from the previous two ( 00:52:603 (1) and 01:59:270 (1) ) that's because the drum track's beats are different, too. listen to the original song carefully and you'll see.

Narcissu wrote:

這樣的話我就沒什麼好說了，最後有個小小的請求，還希望你能用紅字加粗的英文寫一邊下面的句子讓我心服口服

-APXH wrote:

[Hard]
00:24:296 (3) - Because this is not the hardest difficulty on the mapset, I'd avoid having a slider that come after another slider NOT under a slider unless the following slider longer it the situation is the other way around.ok

[General]
- There are several sliders in the regular maps that have normal hitsounds in both ends of the slider. I'm not sure if this was intentional, but if this wasn't, then please just have the hitsound on one end please. Double click on one of the ends of remove/add sound with the sample set.yes, this was intentional, like 01:03:463 (1) -

Yeah, there's not much that I mod; I guess this map is ready, then.
I'll post again if I find more stuff.

Hollow Wings wrote:

↑回复楼上某人

1. 维基 and so on = nothing.
2. bpm确定通常由鼓点轨来决定，然而这种做法直接导致了忽略其他轨带来的影响。一首曲子的bpm更多的是由曲子本身音符快慢来确定一拍的时间为多长，而不是直接人为决定某条轨为决定bpm的标准，“歌本身的bpm”并不一定就是歌本身的bpm。←这点肯定很多人都不同意且无法理解，我只能摊手。
3. 通常曲子的真正bpm由1/16拍大小为多少决定（editor中的蓝线），鼓点轨的连打包含在这个范围。然而事实上真的能够做到全程1/16又保证downbeat有kick的曲子并不在多数，既然如此就不得不重新考虑1/16如何定拍。另外，此曲symbol和炮姐曲的kick速度别无二致，你对此曲的质疑全部可以套回你举的例子上。
4. 试想全程都是二分拍的曲子kick落在一三拍，全程都是二分拍的曲子kick只落在一拍，全程都是四分拍的曲子kick落在一三拍，全程都是四分拍的曲子kick只落在一拍，这四种曲子你得出的bpm结果能支持你的说法吗？你判断1/16音符的快慢仅仅只是靠kick的落点吗？
5. 我不想再继续解释了，浪费时间。下面还有人要来骂我或者当考据党来扇我脸的，请随意。
feel free to slap me and say i'm talking bullshit here, i don't care anymore, indeed.

1. 在”//Storyboard Sound Samples“下面手动填
2. 或者用tick2，在tick上加音效

Hollow Wings wrote:

2. bpm确定通常由鼓点轨来决定，然而这种做法直接导致了忽略其他轨带来的影响。一首曲子的bpm更多的是由曲子本身音符快慢来确定一拍的时间为多长，而不是直接人为决定某条轨为决定bpm的标准，“歌本身的bpm”并不一定就是歌本身的bpm。←这点肯定很多人都不同意且无法理解，我只能摊手。

BPM數值完全由旋律決定，複調音樂會綜合兩條音軌決定。沒有作曲家先寫鼓點再寫鋼琴


3. 通常曲子的真正bpm由1/16拍大小为多少决定（editor中的蓝线），鼓点轨的连打包含在这个范围。然而事实上真的能够做到全程1/16又保证downbeat有kick的曲子并不在多数，既然如此就不得不重新考虑1/16如何定拍。另外，此曲symbol和炮姐曲的kick速度别无二致，你对此曲的质疑全部可以套回你举的例子上。

bpm是X還是2X由“樂譜的簡潔程度” ，“拍號”還有“作曲家當時的心情”三者共同決定，和十六分音符還有其他什麼都沒有關係


4. 试想全程都是二分拍的曲子kick落在一三拍，全程都是二分拍的曲子kick只落在一拍，全程都是四分拍的曲子kick落在一三拍，全程都是四分拍的曲子kick只落在一拍，这四种曲子你得出的bpm结果能支持你的说法吗？你判断1/16音符的快慢仅仅只是靠kick的落点吗？

我看不懂你說什麼，但是號稱最快的鋼琴曲之一野蜂飛舞BPM是100出個頭，我想你需要知道，快慢和BPM沒什麼關係

5. 我不想再继续解释了，浪费时间。下面还有人要来骂我或者当考据党来扇我脸的，请随意。

我覺得更多解釋只會讓你暴露更多……你是在裝我是在曬，真的明白的人都明白

我码那么多字干嘛，感觉吃饱撑的。
╮(╯_╰)╭

我看見587改圖就跑過來看了一下……

p.s. bpm144不需要改。

p.s. bpm144不需要改+1

cmn_891127 wrote:

关于easy，你应该是想跟着人声下节奏，但是又不舍得放弃白线上加hitsound，所以才用的1/2的折返
如果你打算改成1/1的话，还想保持现有的hitsound，你可以：

1. 在”//Storyboard Sound Samples“下面手动填 …… 這個快捷鍵是ctrl+shift+I
2. 或者用tick2，在tick上加音效

这两个方法在https://osu.ppy.sh/b/164769这个里面有用了。可以参考一下

Megurine Luka wrote:

楼上出卖了sp3
想说的前面说过了，建议不要过于纠结这个问题，不如多做点图自己感受感受。
哦，当然更建议多开中文歌感受感受。古风尤甚。
如果哪天古风曲井喷，我也会很欣慰的。

中文歌因為字詞簡潔，常常幾個字就能表示英文一大串……所以記譜上面的BPM都會很低為了讓歌手在一節裏面看見更多字。如果你能理解https://osu.ppy.sh/s/111386 的BPM是160而不是80我想就能體會國界的差異，我最開頭就吐槽了”BPM“還分國界嗎然而HW沒能看懂我的冷笑話。我糾結的不是BPM用几，我糾結的是HW的邏輯和想法……

tutuhaha wrote:

bpm144不用改
HW说的可能是有歧义，说是osu里BPM都是翻倍的
你说的BPM72主要是跟鼓
而BPM144是更倾向于跟人声 …… 人聲BPM 72
这要看你作图的时候主要跟的是什么了 …… 所有音樂，大概。各音軌BPM相同
这是我的理解
稍微喽了一眼low diff, 有些部分最好的处理方法为slider拉到红线然后折返
你这Easy的节奏用的是normal的啊.........
sp3你拉我来围观个毛都不能愉快的摸图了
哎呦我以前还干过BPM÷2然后全程用2.0X这种蠢事呢这算个毛啊

BakaHuang wrote:

不止osu 别的地方也是144 bpm是没问题的

額……比如？ …… 我的人生都浪費在Gal上面了……對於音樂遊戲不是很了解

Irreversible wrote:

Hello,

we decided to pull this map out of the qualified section as for the following reason:

[Easy]

The map itself is, in our opinion, not really beginner-friendly. It contains lots of 1/2, and on top of that, not a clear rhythm to follow. We'd really like you to get rid off these, in order to create a more appropriate rhythm (since it's an easy diff after all). Don't get me wrong, red tick usage is allowed, but placing objects within a range of 1/2 isn't. Let me point up some quickly:

00:53:463 (1,2) - 00:56:588 (5,1) - 01:00:130 (1,2) - 01:01:796 (3,4) - 01:05:130 (4,5) -

Instead of having these, you should go with a simpler 1/1 rhythm.
remaped

[Normal]

Could I ask why you've used such a weird spacing for the whole diff? They overlapping is so small that it's noticable, yet can't be really count as overlapping. It's a personal suggestion, but we think that the map could really benefit of a slightly higher spacing. It will get less crampy overall, and so it will be more appealing to everyone.
fixed

[Hard]

Good.

[Insane]

Good.

Maybe you could ask HW, if you have problems with understanding why your map got DQ'd. I'm sure she will help you! Don't hesitate asking me further questions, whenever you need help.

Have a nice day.

neonat wrote:

Easy

00:50:130 (1) - whistle
00:58:463 (3) - use this rhythm? More fitting:

SPOILER

01:56:796 (1) - 在Ｎｏｒｍａｌ你用ｆｉｎｉｓｈ
02:05:130 (3) - 跟00:58:463 (3) 一样
02:50:130 (1) - finish
02:58:463 (3) - 跟00:58:463 (3) 一样
add some 3clap

Normal

01:09:088 (5) - 这样放？

SPOILER

02:47:838 (3,4) - spacing
change 00:48:671 (5) - and 01:55:338 (5) - into1/1

neonat wrote:

Ok, good luck

Xinely wrote:

我才知道neo会说中文
其实好多人都会中文
如果星期一没有BN来,我可以查一下,你也问我来到你的图 xp

Xinely wrote:

ok as your called here

• 
  General

1. remove osb even this is rankable
2. remove widescreen support in Easy diff

• 
  Easy

1. 00:54:296 (2) - missing clap on head?
2. 00:43:255 (1) - i'd say just use 1/1 slider start from 00:43:463 - as the stanza has loud music here can change, or it becom wierd
3. 00:47:213 (2) - also this time i'd say use 1/1 slider and circle at 00:48:046 - since 00:47:630 - has loud drum and 00:48:046 - is pitch of vocal
4. 00:48:463 (3) - literally reason same as above, 2/1 slider and then circle at 00:49:713 -
5. 01:00:963 (2) - for the flow i'd say remove the middle curve (so just straight slider) since you have another curve slider for next rhythm which feels not really well if this slider has curve i don't like straight slider here, so changed
6. 01:46:692 - 00:40:025 - unused greenlines
7. 01:53:880 (2,3) - literally they are same as previous part i told
8. 02:09:296 (4) - same as 01:00:963 (2) - http://puu.sh/hHX5O.jpg
9. 02:19:712 (4) - so nazi, instead of a little bit curve for the flow, try make linear flow instead with move 196,132
10. tbh the break feels better if you move to 02:40:130 - so it's same as Normal
11. 02:47:213 (2,3) - same as 01:53:880 (2,3) - too
12. 03:00:963 (2) - missing clap on head?
13. 03:06:796 (1,2) - still can improve the blanket https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3111137no blanket

• 
  Normal

1. OD feels a little bit low here, how about 3,5 so it would give better spread to Hard and Easy
2. 00:17:629 (2) - inconsistency spacing (1,2x) here
3. 00:28:463 (2,1,2) - try keep 1,3x spacing here, it's possible
4. 00:34:296 (2) - add whistle for emphasize the piano?
5. 00:35:963 (4) - and 00:37:630 (6) - ^ if you agree since pianos are louder than each previous stanza here
6. 00:39:713 (4) - from design, the 1,3x looks almost overlapped, i'd say move to 212,112 here, if you agree so move 00:40:130 (1) - 276,44changed
7. 00:43:463 - here too, i'd say map this because the music is loud, same as i said in Easywhen we map with a track, it's not wise to change to another track suddenly
8. 00:48:046 (4,5,6) - in here you mapped the drum but you skip drum at 00:47:630 - which feels confuse here for me. you may change 00:47:421 (3) - become 1/2 slider hereThe main song is mapped with vocal, so don't mind the drums
9. 00:40:025 - unused greenline
10. 01:03:463 (7) - 148,360 for keep the 1,2x spacing (dont worry still on screen here)
11. 01:20:963 (2) - the 1,2x spacing looks so inconsistent here
12. 01:23:463 (1) - 508,32 to keep the 1,3x spacing orz
13. 01:54:088 (3) - same as 00:48:046 (4,5,6) - don'd mind
14. 02:26:796 (1) - keep 1,2x spacing here (current has 1,14x)
15. 02:28:463 - 02:31:796 - 02:35:130 - 02:38:463 - since you didnt map drum here, i'd say add whistle for those times to give emphasize on hitsounds, current feel empty for me
16. 03:39:088 (5) - for the flow i'd say arrange this slider becomes like http://puu.sh/hHY3B.jpg

• 
  Hard

1. 00:02:630 (7) - 00:05:963 (7) - 00:09:296 (7) - i'd hear whistle hitsound for them as they have piano musics there
2. 00:24:296 (3) - missing clap on head?
3. 00:27:630 - 00:29:296 - 00:34:296 - 00:35:963 - 00:37:630 - yep i'd say add whistle for them as the piano :<1st and 2nd don't
4. 00:43:255 (1) - whistle for repeat for the drum and piano here :<
5. 01:02:838 (8,1) - a little bit close, im sure you still can increase a bit the spacing here
6. 01:14:505 (3) - i still feel the jump a little bit far here, mind to reduce a bit? they are already reduced by your suggestions days ago
7. 01:53:254 (9) - add clap? it fits with the music (if you do so add for similar parts and all diffs here)
8. 02:22:213 (5,7) - and 02:22:422 (6,1) - stack properly please this is easier for players
9. 02:25:130 (4,5,6) - you can increase spacing become 1,3x to avoid the overlap for 1/3 rhythms here, i just trauma when see your map DQ'ed coz overlap in Normal lol
10. 02:28:463 - the harmony and pitch music sounds at here, i'd say you map this, circle and then 1/2 slider works nicely for me
11. 02:31:588 (4) - same as above
12. 02:54:505 (3,4) - <3
13. 03:14:505 (3) - yep the jump a little bit far for me, you can reduce it with curve the slider more example http://puu.sh/hHYMv.jpg

i guess that's all

Xinely wrote:

ok as your called here

• 
  Insane

1. imo OD 6,5 feels better here since having 2 difference with Hard diff feels not really well for me
2. 00:02:630 (1) - 00:09:296 (1) - may add whistle here as i mentioned on liangv587 before she used another whistle, it sounds loud, so don't change
3. 00:25:963 (1,2,3,4,1) - tbh the spacings feel random for me here, i'd say use consistent instead to make easier to read https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3111261changed
4. 00:36:796 (1,2) - try increase the spacing? the overlaps look not really well for me http://puu.sh/hHZ30.jpgincrease some spacing
5. 01:33:463 (1) - i'd say higher spacing here to emphasize the vocal's feel, hmm move to 340,200?ok
6. 02:12:422 (4) - forgot whistle maybe? the music is drum too hereok
7. 02:26:171 (8) - im sure with same spacing but different snap between 1/3 and 1/2 giving a little bit confuse to read. i'd say to stack this circle with previous note or make it a jump insteadincrease some spacing

Xinely wrote:

recheck

Normal :
02:26:796 (1) - still inconsistency spacing here spacing is decreasing this part

Hard :
00:27:630 - well i can understand you rejected the 2nd i mention but this time has loud piano same as parts you added nowok, all added, same to Normal
"02:22:213 (5,7) - and 02:22:422 (6,1) - stack properly please this is easier for players" <-- tbh i suggest not for make easier but to make cleaner for design but i don't think so

HW :
00:26:588 (4) - tbh not really problem but you still can move 236,356 for more consistent, and 00:26:171 (2) - this too forit's better now
02:12:595 (5) - liang did you move this slider? it was placed at 02:12:595 - (1/12) iirc before mod this, better ask HW to confirm first but it's at 02:12:630

Hollow Wings wrote:

原谱bpm？和osu的bpm一样也是如你所说为了方便而定的，曲子的小节划分完全由整个曲子本身决定，而非仅仅从是否有1/4的音来判断。哪里计算beat你还是再多听几遍曲子。

luv letter或者kanon那种只不过是没有适应osu采取不翻倍的措施而已，事实上如果那样做的话就导致了一半的downbeat没有被tick压到，此图如果用72也会造成这种情况。这类图就是少数那些没有被翻倍的图，然而大多数和翻倍后同bpm的图比较就会发现并无二致。

虽然，当然，怎么方便就怎么设定，然而如karen或者mallow flower那种才是正确的处理方式。

而且，你如果要坚持说144是错的，那么事实上几乎所有图的bpm对你来说等价是错的了，为什么不到所有pending map的thread挨个吼一遍呢。

144是对的。