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JJ Lin - Cao Cao

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liangv587
472 posts
Joined April 2013
Topic Starter
liangv587
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2015年5月11日 at 16:18:19

Artist: JJ Lin
Title: Cao Cao
Tags: Hollow Wings 林俊杰 jun jie
BPM: 144
Filesize: 6514kb
Play Time: 03:58
Difficulties Available:
  1. Easy (1.6 stars, 204 notes)
  2. Hard (2.94 stars, 511 notes)
  3. HW's Insane (3.75 stars, 533 notes)
  4. Normal (2.13 stars, 348 notes)
Download: JJ Lin - Cao Cao
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林俊杰 - 曹操

Thanks for modding
AIR
Twinkle
ken2010123
Shad0w1and
KaedekaShizuru
tm1209
Narcissu
-APXH
S a k u r a
neonat
Xinely
Last edited by liangv587 , edited 26 times in total.
liaoxingyao
864 posts
Joined November 2013
liaoxingyao
JJ Burst - 草草
卧槽HW的Insane
AIR
1,586 posts
Joined November 2012
AIR
[Normal]
  1. 00:55:963 (6) - 02:02:421 - 可以试下用1/2代替
  2. 02:47:213 (2,5) - 不如也用单点，比较有力度
[Hard]
  1. 00:26:796 (1) - 这部分比n稍微近了点。。。
  2. 00:47:213 - 叠的有点eggpain，试下错开些
  3. 02:25:130 - 并不十分顺手，试下两个三分折加个圈
  4. 03:23:046 - 03:29:713 - 加圈
[HW's Insane]
  1. ar+1
  2. 美丽
Last edited by AIR , edited 1 time in total.
[Twinkle]
179 posts
Joined October 2012
[Twinkle]
M4M

[HW's Insane]
00:02:630 (1) - 00:05:963 (1) - 00:09:296 (1) - 感觉NC有点多..
00:13:463 (1) - 这里事先没听过歌的人打很容易断，速度变化太大了
00:13:463 (1,1) - 这里不做1下blanket吗？
00:25:130 (1,2,3,4) - 这里感觉可以做下DS渐增
01:57:838 (5) - 间距大一点？
02:26:171 (8) - 加NC
03:59:296 最后转盘到这里结束 后面已经完全没声音了，顺便转盘末尾可以降一下音量

[H]
00:07:629 (2,3,4,5) - 4和2的间距改成和3和2的一样，好看一点
00:24:296 (3) - 放在左边也许好一点？现在这样和前面滑条一起感觉有点怪
00:25:963 (8) - 这个也是
00:36:796 (1) - 取消nc
00:51:796 (1) - 短1/4末尾用note？
00:59:088 (6) - 没叠好
00:59:296 (7,2) - blanket
01:08:880 (5) - 没叠好
最后转盘和HW难度结束时间不一样，最好统一一下
后面有几个combo太长了

[N]
Aimod里面有几个物件没对齐时间轴
这图看起来好挤，滑条速度有加快或者是加大DS
其他没了

:) :) :)
liangv587
472 posts
Joined April 2013
Topic Starter
liangv587

[Twinkle] wrote:

M4M

[HW's Insane]
00:02:630 (1) - 00:05:963 (1) - 00:09:296 (1) - 感觉NC有点多..00:05:963 (1) -这个改了
00:13:463 (1) - 这里事先没听过歌的人打很容易断，速度变化太大了
00:13:463 (1,1) - 这里不做1下blanket吗？
00:25:130 (1,2,3,4) - 这里感觉可以做下DS渐增
01:57:838 (5) - 间距大一点？
02:26:171 (8) - 加NC 其他的没改
03:59:296 最后转盘到这里结束 后面已经完全没声音了，顺便转盘末尾可以降一下音量 fixed

[H]
00:07:629 (2,3,4,5) - 4和2的间距改成和3和2的一样，好看一点 这没关系的，本来就是两组
00:24:296 (3) - 放在左边也许好一点？现在这样和前面滑条一起感觉有点怪 flow啊
00:25:963 (8) - 这个也是
00:36:796 (1) - 取消nc 2小节nc
00:51:796 (1) - 短1/4末尾用note？简单点，insane可以这样
00:59:088 (6) - 没叠好，故意的，叠好就遮住了
00:59:296 (7,2) - blanket 反而会不好看的，早就是这样
01:08:880 (5) - 没叠好
最后转盘和HW难度结束时间不一样，最好统一一下 好
后面有几个combo太长了

[N]
Aimod里面有几个物件没对齐时间轴fixed
这图看起来好挤，滑条速度有加快或者是加大DS 这样挺好的
其他没了

:) :) :)
thanks for modding

AIR wrote:

[Normal]
  1. 00:55:963 (6) - 02:02:421 - 可以试下用1/2代替 试了下，然而效果并不是很明显
  2. 02:47:213 (2,5) - 不如也用单点，比较有力度 开始是怎么想的，想简单点，这个normal已经够难了
[Hard]
  1. 00:26:796 (1) - 这部分比n稍微近了点。。。
  2. 00:47:213 - 叠的有点eggpain，试下错开些 ok
  3. 02:25:130 - 并不十分顺手，试下两个三分折加个圈 02:25:963 - 早就想过了，然而这里是弱音，圈不好
  4. 03:23:046 - 03:29:713 - 加圈 不了
[HW's Insane]
  1. ar+1 insane要有点难度好吗
  2. 美丽
thanks for modding
KaedekaShizuru
625 posts
Joined January 2013
KaedekaShizuru
请允许我庄严郑重地吐槽BG
上google给你找了一个勉强能用的（年代太久远了专辑的BK分辨率太感人
http://puu.sh/h4N5y/45385e3261.jpg

if you are ready, pls call me back for mod.
Kencho
952 posts
Joined August 2013
Kencho
這歌老早喜歡了，有人做真好，然而這BG無力吐槽了
[HW’s Insane]
  1. 最少也AR8吧，不過看上面回復低AR才是難的地方……不管了
  2. 02:12:525 - 漏了，你前面有加
    03:05:859 - ^
[Hard]
  1. hard的節奏應該是最滿的，總combo數比insane還多
  2. 00:26:796 - 到00:38:463 - 的音效應該再小聲點
    00:52:838 (2) - 這個不該加finish吧，你後面也沒加
    02:11:380 (3,4) - 3移左點blanket
    02:18:463 (4,5) - 互換會好點
    02:37:421 (2,3) - blanket
    03:15:546 (5,6) - blanket
[Normal]
  1. 00:52:838 (2) - 同樣normal這個不該加finish吧
    02:25:130 (4,5,6) - 5放4的前面吧，然後6移遠一點，接著02:26:796 (1) - 和02:27:630 (2) - ctrl+G
    03:53:046 (6,7) - 這兩個不要疊，因為你整個圖都沒疊過，不過我建議換成1/2滑條會更好
[Easy]
  1. nice diff
四個難度都太nice了，美麗
Shad0w1and
1,586 posts
Joined April 2011
Shad0w1and
M4M：https://osu.ppy.sh/s/300612

Overall Impression

好图，潜力股，射一炮
Notice: If my understanding level is too low, I am not sure this mod will be really helpful.

Mod


HW's Insane
  1. My understanding level of you map: 80%
  2. My rating of you map: 85%
00:22:005 (1,3) - 对于我而言更倾向于3再进行flow的切断
SPOILER
01:46:796 (1,2) - 交换
03:06:796 (1,2) - 之间flow还在，应该在03:07:629 (3,4) - 之间切断才对
03:14:296 (3) - x296y292
很多相似的细节又感觉你是故意的，想想就不贴了
Hard
  1. My understanding level of you map: 100%
  2. My rating of you map: 90%
00:10:963 (2,3) - 可以做成锐角（切断flow）
00:13:463 - 这一段和之前一段竟然没有sv加速。。。你可以把之前的前奏换成0.8x
01:15:130 (4) - 没有NC的话看着有点违和
01:53:463 (1,2,3,4,5) -
SPOILER
02:34:088 (2,3) - 交换
03:03:463 (1,2) - 硬切flow？03:04:713 (4,5) - 这两个之间切更好
03:39:505 (8) - ctrl-J然后回原位
Normal
  1. My understanding level of you map: 100%
  2. My rating of you map: 95%
02:21:797 (4) - NC
02:25:130 (4,5,6) -
SPOILER
Easy
  1. My understanding level of you map: 100%
  2. My rating of you map: 95%
不摸Easy
liangv587
472 posts
Joined April 2013
Topic Starter
liangv587

ken2010123 wrote:

這歌老早喜歡了，有人做真好，然而這BG無力吐槽了
[HW’s Insane]
  1. 最少也AR8吧，不過看上面回復低AR才是難的地方……不管了
  2. 02:12:525 - 漏了，你前面有加
    03:05:859 - ^
[Hard]
  1. hard的節奏應該是最滿的，總combo數比insane還多
  2. 00:26:796 - 到00:38:463 - 的音效應該再小聲點
    00:52:838 (2) - 這個不該加finish吧，你後面也沒加ok
    02:11:380 (3,4) - 3移左點blanket
    02:18:463 (4,5) - 互換會好點34不能跳，56可以跳
    02:37:421 (2,3) - blanket
    03:15:546 (5,6) - blanket这图没用blanket风格
[Normal]
  1. 00:52:838 (2) - 同樣normal這個不該加finish吧ok
    02:25:130 (4,5,6) - 5放4的前面吧，然後6移遠一點，接著02:26:796 (1) - 和02:27:630 (2) - ctrl+G
    03:53:046 (6,7) - 這兩個不要疊，因為你整個圖都沒疊過，不過我建議換成1/2滑條會更好ok
[Easy]
  1. nice diff
四個難度都太nice了，美麗
其他的没改
thanks for modding

Shad0w1and wrote:

M4M：https://osu.ppy.sh/s/300612

Overall Impression

好图，潜力股，射一炮
Notice: If my understanding level is too low, I am not sure this mod will be really helpful.

Mod


Hard
  1. My understanding level of you map: 100%
  2. My rating of you map: 90%
00:10:963 (2,3) - 可以做成锐角（切断flow）ok
00:13:463 - 这一段和之前一段竟然没有sv加速。。。你可以把之前的前奏换成0.8x爷爷，前面是0.75
01:15:130 (4) - 没有NC的话看着有点违和 没有吧，三段都这样，整图都这样2小节1nc
01:53:463 (1,2,3,4,5) - 效果不是很明显，然而flow变差了
SPOILER
02:34:088 (2,3) - 交换12不适合跳
03:03:463 (1,2) - 硬切flow？03:04:713 (4,5) - 这两个之间切更好问题不大
03:39:505 (8) - ctrl-J然后回原位不适合跳
Normal
  1. My understanding level of you map: 100%
  2. My rating of you map: 95%
[notice]02:21:797 (4) - NC2小节1nc
02:25:130 (4,5,6) - 改善不是很多，等有更好的办法再改
SPOILER
thanks for modding and star
KaedekaShizuru
625 posts
Joined January 2013
KaedekaShizuru
[General]
注意BG右下角 似乎有类似签名和日期之类的东西 我觉得有可能造成不必要的麻烦
请允许我再一次庄严郑重地吐槽BG

[HW]
00:51:796 (4) - 建议减个速然后NC一下
01:58:462 (6) - ↑ 然后感觉减速后比01:57:838 (5)还短的话更好一些
02:19:713 (8) - 和02:18:880 (6,7)头部靠在一起如何
02:40:130 - 感觉这里最好还是放个circle
03:20:338 (2,1,2) - 有点莫名 03:20:755 和 03:21:588 空着感觉并不好

[Hard]
我想说哨音用的简直……后面难度同
00:44:296 (4) - 锚点向右移动几个坐标 和00:44:921 (5)相对
02:22:422 (6,1) - 没叠好？
03:13:046 (8,2) - ↑

美丽 真心没啥可挑剔的 除了哨音
liangv587
472 posts
Joined April 2013
Topic Starter
liangv587

KaedekaShizuru wrote:

[General]
注意BG右下角 似乎有类似签名和日期之类的东西 我觉得有可能造成不必要的麻烦
请允许我再一次庄严郑重地吐槽BG 慢慢找OTZ

[Hard]
我想说哨音用的简直……后面难度同 你肯定没更新音效
00:44:296 (4) - 锚点向右移动几个坐标 和00:44:921 (5)相对ok
02:22:422 (6,1) - 没叠好？这么明显，故意的啊，到处都是
03:13:046 (8,2) - ↑

美丽 真心没啥可挑剔的 除了哨音
thanks for modding
EncoreW
833 posts
Joined June 2013
EncoreW
[Hard]


00:06:380 - 有个钢琴音没加

00:26:796 (1) - 这一段开始到00:38:880 (2) - 我觉得50%的音效听起来还是有点声音太大

00:39:088 (3) - 这个滑条的末尾感觉可以逐渐加大音量

00:38:463 (1,2,3,4,5) - 我觉得这里节奏这么下更好一点，00:39:296 - 这个地方是个重音，但是之前却只用了一个滑条尾，可能是缺少一点打击的感觉了，Rock里面可能表现的更加明显

00:47:838 (4) - 00:49:088 (3) - 00:49:713 (5) - NC？00:50:130 (1) - 这个取消NC？我更喜欢这样不知道你是不是，后面那两个一样的地方我也是一样的想法

00:51:796 (1) - 66666

00:59:088 (6) - （209，213）

01:06:171 (8) - 其实我觉得这里还可以拉一个类似问号形状的滑条来表现一下，不过也无所谓了

01:08:880 (5) - （177，149）

01:20:963 (3) - 要是我的话我会拉一个折返把1/2填满

02:01:171 (3) - 滑条的头似乎音量有点大？

02:22:213 (5,6,7,8,1) - 不知道你是不是故意错开一点的

02:40:130 - 这地方在加个note？

02:53:255 (4) - 这地方我觉得更适合和02:53:463 (1) - 叠一起，反正我打起来是这样更舒服，不管是开HR还是DT还是none

03:01:796 (4) - （331，273）

03:19:713 - 还是不喜欢把重音放在滑条尾，03:19:505 (4) - 改成两个circle 似乎不错

03:23:046 - 03:29:713 - 这两个地方我觉得加个note刚好，因为vocal 的音似乎是已经出来了，加上去可能会更加充实一点

03:55:963 - 我感觉这个地方的音量似乎比03:55:546 - 还要大一点，03:56:380 - 这里又突然小下去



其他难度都没啥经验，先这样吧
liangv587
472 posts
Joined April 2013
Topic Starter
liangv587

tm1209 wrote:

[Hard]


00:06:380 - 有个钢琴音没加

00:26:796 (1) - 这一段开始到00:38:880 (2) - 我觉得50%的音效听起来还是有点声音太大ok

00:39:088 (3) - 这个滑条的末尾感觉可以逐渐加大音量ok

00:38:463 (1,2,3,4,5) - 我觉得这里节奏这么下更好一点，00:39:296 - 这个地方是个重音，但是之前却只用了一个滑条尾，可能是缺少一点打击的感觉了，Rock里面可能表现的更加明显

00:47:838 (4) - 00:49:088 (3) - 00:49:713 (5) - NC？00:50:130 (1) - 这个取消NC？我更喜欢这样不知道你是不是，后面那两个一样的地方我也是一样的想法

00:51:796 (1) - 66666

00:59:088 (6) - （209，213）

01:06:171 (8) - 其实我觉得这里还可以拉一个类似问号形状的滑条来表现一下，不过也无所谓了

01:08:880 (5) - （177，149）

01:20:963 (3) - 要是我的话我会拉一个折返把1/2填满

02:01:171 (3) - 滑条的头似乎音量有点大？

02:22:213 (5,6,7,8,1) - 不知道你是不是故意错开一点的

02:40:130 - 这地方在加个note？

02:53:255 (4) - 这地方我觉得更适合和02:53:463 (1) - 叠一起，反正我打起来是这样更舒服，不管是开HR还是DT还是none

03:01:796 (4) - （331，273）

03:19:713 - 还是不喜欢把重音放在滑条尾，03:19:505 (4) - 改成两个circle 似乎不错

03:23:046 - 03:29:713 - 这两个地方我觉得加个note刚好，因为vocal 的音似乎是已经出来了，加上去可能会更加充实一点

03:55:963 - 我感觉这个地方的音量似乎比03:55:546 - 还要大一点，03:56:380 - 这里又突然小下去


其他难度都没啥经验，先这样吧
节奏的没改，没叠好的是故意的
thanks for modding and star
Aeonian Sonder
974 posts
Joined May 2012
Aeonian Sonder
Yay~ JJ Lin~
I'm mapping right now 不死之身.
Narcissu
1,744 posts
Joined August 2012
Narcissu
BPM ： 72

參考 : http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3649743100

最近經常到用這個……儘管是事實然而無關緊要 ?

BG 找有女孩子的謝謝 :D

[HW'Insane]

3.75星一般AR8

01:00:130 - 01:13:463 - 個人是建議用normal-clap 而不是soft-finish

00:52:630 - 01:59:296 - 後面用1/8的話這兩個也用上吧

02:24:713 (2,3) - 換成滑條降低後面1/3的難度 ?

[Hard]

額，原來HW的音效是她自帶的，我建議你加編鐘【喂喂喂

把藍線去掉吧 orz ……

02:25:824 (1) - 去掉NC ?

00:00:130 - 關於開頭這片鋼琴，whistle我覺得跟高音或者跟右手比較好，也就是多加00:00:546 - 00:02:630 - 或者除了00:01:796 - 都加

00:25:963 (8,9) - 不要再複製了啦……是四個鼓

00:38:463 (1,2,3,4,5) - 應該都是白線起的節奏，我覺得用2個滑條表示鋼琴4個圈表示鼓點會合適的多

01:21:588 (4) - 對於滑條接圈，建議按照滑條頭離圈的距離考慮DS而不是面板上的DS，實際上這個位置常被用來下1/2

01:33:463 - 淡出的段落建議不要使用音效，或者用HW用的那種空靈型號的

03:23:046 - 個人是不建議有超過1/1的空拍，除了鼓什麼都都有我覺得可以加圈

03:28:046 - 03:29:713 - ^

[Normal]

01:33:463 - 按照你Easy的做法，你應該是計畫把這個break 拉到長白線的

01:45:130 - 各難度不統一逼死強迫症 …… easy 還特地拉到這……不如沒有 :D
Last edited by Narcissu , edited 1 time in total.
Hollow Wings
1,514 posts
Joined July 2010
Hollow Wings

ken2010123 wrote:

[HW’s Insane]
  1. 最少也AR8吧，不過看上面回復低AR才是難的地方……不管了 不改。
  2. 02:12:525 - 漏了，你前面有加 这里鼓点不一样。
    03:05:859 - ^

Shad0w1and wrote:

HW's Insane
  1. My understanding level of you map: 80%
  2. My rating of you map: 85%
[notice]00:22:005 (1,3) - 对于我而言更倾向于3再进行flow的切断
SPOILER
01:46:796 (1,2) - 交换 不。
03:06:796 (1,2) - 之间flow还在，应该在03:07:629 (3,4) - 之间切断才对 在03:07:421 (2,3,4) - 是跟一整句lyric所以这么摆。
03:14:296 (3) - x296y292 不。
很多相似的细节又感觉你是故意的，想想就不贴了

KaedekaShizuru wrote:

[HW]
00:51:796 (4) - 建议减个速然后NC一下 这里就这样吧，没必要刻意做梗感觉，因为sv已经够低了。
01:58:462 (6) - ↑ 然后感觉减速后比01:57:838 (5)还短的话更好一些 ^
02:19:713 (8) - 和02:18:880 (6,7)头部靠在一起如何 organization锁死了，就这样吧。
02:40:130 - 感觉这里最好还是放个circle 不。
03:20:338 (2,1,2) - 有点莫名 03:20:755 和 03:21:588 空着感觉并不好 难得有那么特色的吉他轨，故意突出了一下。

Narcissu wrote:

BPM ： 72 bpm144是对的，osu的bpm是翻倍的。

[HW'Insane]

3.75星一般AR8 不。

01:00:130 - 01:13:463 - 個人是建議用normal-clap 而不是soft-finish 跟原曲而已。

00:52:630 - 01:59:296 - 後面用1/8的話這兩個也用上吧 可以，这个改了，01:59:270 (1) - 和02:52:630 (1) - 也改了。

02:24:713 (2,3) - 換成滑條降低後面1/3的難度 ? 不。
thx for modding!
Narcissu
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什麼叫osu的bpm是翻倍的，bpm還分國界嗎……我並不介意這個然而請不要歪曲事實。144是錯的
liangv587
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Narcissu wrote:

BPM ： 72

參考 : http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3649743100

最近經常到用這個……儘管是事實然而無關緊要 ?

BG 找有女孩子的謝謝 :D 无所谓了

[Hard]

額，原來HW的音效是她自帶的，我建議你加編鐘【喂喂喂 本来就是照抄的不用改

把藍線去掉吧 orz ……

02:25:824 (1) - 去掉NC ?ok

00:00:130 - 關於開頭這片鋼琴，whistle我覺得跟高音或者跟右手比較好，也就是多加00:00:546 - 00:02:630 - 或者除了00:01:796 - 都加

00:25:963 (8,9) - 不要再複製了啦……是四個鼓

00:38:463 (1,2,3,4,5) - 應該都是白線起的節奏，我覺得用2個滑條表示鋼琴4個圈表示鼓點會合適的多 ok

01:21:588 (4) - 對於滑條接圈，建議按照滑條頭離圈的距離考慮DS而不是面板上的DS，實際上這個位置常被用來下1/2 稍微动了下

01:33:463 - 淡出的段落建議不要使用音效，或者用HW用的那種空靈型號的

03:23:046 - 個人是不建議有超過1/1的空拍，除了鼓什麼都都有我覺得可以加圈改了之后发现不太好，又改回去了

03:28:046 - 03:29:713 - ^

[Normal]

01:33:463 - 按照你Easy的做法，你應該是計畫把這個break 拉到長白線的ok

01:45:130 - 各難度不統一逼死強迫症 …… easy 還特地拉到這……不如沒有 :D
其他的没改
thanks for modding
Hollow Wings
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Narcissu wrote:

什麼叫osu的bpm是翻倍的，bpm還分國界嗎……我並不介意這個然而請不要歪曲事實。144是錯的
bpm不分国界，然而osu里几乎所有的曲子bpm都是翻倍的，这和osu的editor设定有关：downbeat在一个小节有两次而不是一次。

如果你一定要去定义什么是bpm，那么我只能说你这个所谓bpm在osu这个游戏里不适用。

144是对的。

歪曲事实？你自己到底看清事实了吗？（笑
Narcissu
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osu99%的曲目BPM都是和原記譜相同而不是翻倍除了一些老圖比如 https://osu.ppy.sh/b/154357

而其他像什麼雨道啊 luv letter 在你“ownbeat在一个小节有两次而不是一次”的說法下是要翻倍的然而實際上都是使用了正確的BPM

BPM並非我定義的，而且我並不在意這個因為它一開始就是為了“方便”設定的，之所以用72而不是144是因為那樣簡潔，那麼看清事實的你知道到底為什麼作者用72嗎 ?

這樣繼續聊天應該是可以的……吧

144是錯的
Hollow Wings
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原谱bpm？和osu的bpm一样也是如你所说为了方便而定的，曲子的小节划分完全由整个曲子本身决定，而非仅仅从是否有1/4的音来判断。哪里计算beat你还是再多听几遍曲子。

luv letter或者kanon那种只不过是没有适应osu采取不翻倍的措施而已，事实上如果那样做的话就导致了一半的downbeat没有被tick压到，此图如果用72也会造成这种情况。这类图就是少数那些没有被翻倍的图，然而大多数和翻倍后同bpm的图比较就会发现并无二致。

虽然，当然，怎么方便就怎么设定，然而如karen或者mallow flower那种才是正确的处理方式。

而且，你如果要坚持说144是错的，那么事实上几乎所有图的bpm对你来说等价是错的了，为什么不到所有pending map的thread挨个吼一遍呢。

144是对的。
Narcissu
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首先我已經說明了没有被翻倍才是廣泛的做法，我們可以玩個遊戲，你說十個翻的例子，我說十個沒翻的例子。直到誰先沒圖。

不必建議我多聽幾遍曲子，這個方面你占下風，真的，越多的專有名詞對你越不利，我保證。

72和144對打圖是有影響的，主要體現在tick的數量和NC模式下的鼓點速度，所以它應該被重視。我建議144

因為你說了兩遍几乎所有圖的BPM都翻倍了，我不得不也再說一邊：99%的歌BPM都是沒翻倍的

144是錯的

Edit : 另外似乎你理解錯了我說的“為了方便而設定BPM”，我說的是五線譜下的設定而不是osu，然後方便也不是指隨心所欲，而是為了閱讀的人著想的“行方便之禮”。可以說，那是必然的數字而不是隨便你怎麼來的
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Hollow Wings
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哟，你觉得越专业你越有利？是不是你认为这里就你一个学过乐理？来你来说说看占我哪里的上风？我也就学过钢琴编过曲子的程度，你是什么大音乐家或者乐理学家吗？

既然你那么针对，那么我再来说第三遍：osu几乎所有曲子的bpm设定都是翻倍的。

然后我再说一遍：这个bpm的设定和track的bpm无关，和曲子本身有关。

另外，原来你说的“方便”不是在osu范畴啊，抱歉我完全没在说五线谱的事情，我只说osu。

举例？需要吗？

144是对的。
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Narcissu
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這樣的話我就沒什麼好說了，最後有個小小的請求，還希望你能用紅字加粗的英文寫一邊下面的句子讓我心服口服


Hollow Wings wrote:

osu几乎所有曲子的bpm设定都是翻倍的
liaoxingyao
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。。。。。为了个BPM在这里吵来吵去。。。真的值得么。。。、
然而我觉得144 是对的
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Nice map
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[HW's Insane]
00:26:796 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - Just suggestion, but don't base so many objects on the same point; it can get boring REAL quick
02:52:630 (1) - This is place on the beat differently from the previous two ( 00:52:603 (1) and 01:59:270 (1) )

[Hard]
00:24:296 (3) - Because this is not the hardest difficulty on the mapset, I'd avoid having a slider that come after another slider NOT under a slider unless the following slider longer it the situation is the other way around.

[General]
- There are several sliders in the regular maps that have normal hitsounds in both ends of the slider. I'm not sure if this was intentional, but if this wasn't, then please just have the hitsound on one end please. Double click on one of the ends of remove/add sound with the sample set.

Yeah, there's not much that I mod; I guess this map is ready, then.
I'll post again if I find more stuff.
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EDIT: 144bpm是对的
入乡随俗，请用OSU的规矩做OSU的图

↓↓↓↓↓↓↓我就抢你翻页❤
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↑↑↑↑↑↑↑可恶抢我翻页OVQ



-APXH wrote:

[HW's Insane]
00:26:796 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - Just suggestion, but don't base so many objects on the same point; it can get boring REAL quick lol that won't be boring if you have went through larger jumps before, those stack stuffs fit the quiet part very good imo.
02:52:630 (1) - This is place on the beat differently from the previous two ( 00:52:603 (1) and 01:59:270 (1) ) that's because the drum track's beats are different, too. listen to the original song carefully and you'll see.

Narcissu wrote:

這樣的話我就沒什麼好說了，最後有個小小的請求，還希望你能用紅字加粗的英文寫一邊下面的句子讓我心服口服
我干嘛要让你服，你可以不服啊。
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-APXH wrote:

[Hard]
00:24:296 (3) - Because this is not the hardest difficulty on the mapset, I'd avoid having a slider that come after another slider NOT under a slider unless the following slider longer it the situation is the other way around.ok

[General]
- There are several sliders in the regular maps that have normal hitsounds in both ends of the slider. I'm not sure if this was intentional, but if this wasn't, then please just have the hitsound on one end please. Double click on one of the ends of remove/add sound with the sample set.yes, this was intentional, like 01:03:463 (1) -

Yeah, there's not much that I mod; I guess this map is ready, then.
I'll post again if I find more stuff.
thanks for modding
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SPOILER
2015-04-21 13:03 liangv587: hi`moenat, can you check bublled map?
2015-04-21 13:04 neonat: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/300076 ?
2015-04-21 13:04 liangv587: yes :)
2015-04-21 13:07 liangv587: is your chinese pretty good?
2015-04-21 13:07 neonat: i can understand better than speak
2015-04-21 13:08 neonat: i dont mind if u want to speak chinese to me
2015-04-21 13:08 liangv587: lol
2015-04-21 13:08 neonat: i had to discuss with tm in chinese though lel
2015-04-21 13:09 neonat: unless u really want, i can try
2015-04-21 13:09 neonat: lol
2015-04-21 13:09 liangv587: can you understand the lyrics of this song
2015-04-21 13:09 neonat: yeh
2015-04-21 13:09 neonat: i listen to him
2015-04-21 13:09 neonat: 01:13:046 (4) - remove the whistle
2015-04-21 13:11 liangv587: same to 02:19:713 - ?
2015-04-21 13:11 liangv587: and 03:13:046 - ?
2015-04-21 13:11 neonat: yeh
2015-04-21 13:12 neonat: the drum stronger there, dont think whistle really fits
2015-04-21 13:12 neonat: if it appears in other difficulties you can do the same
2015-04-21 13:12 liangv587: ye
2015-04-21 13:12 liangv587: done
2015-04-21 13:17 neonat: 03:31:796 (4) - change rhythm? the beat at 03:32:838 - is really strong
2015-04-21 13:17 neonat: something like http://i.imgur.com/ZbDBvnU.png
2015-04-21 13:22 liangv587: done
2015-04-21 13:23 neonat: in normal i think better to shift 00:40:130 (1) - a little bit up, to around x:288 y: 40
2015-04-21 13:24 neonat: 00:47:213 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - this is quite dense compared to the rest lol
2015-04-21 13:26 neonat: i would recommend that you merge 00:47:421 (3,4,5,1) - into 2 sliders instead, but I'll leave it to you
2015-04-21 13:27 liangv587: 00:40:130 (1) - why shift this up
2015-04-21 13:27 neonat: would apply to 01:54:087 (3,4,5,1) - also
2015-04-21 13:27 neonat: feels better to move from previous object
2015-04-21 13:28 liangv587: low diff should distance snap
2015-04-21 13:28 neonat: i did use distance snap
2015-04-21 13:29 liangv587: 00:47:213 (2,3,4,5) - how about change them to sliders
2015-04-21 13:30 neonat: if u shift them to something like http://i.imgur.com/TRsZUN7.png it should fit the distance
2015-04-21 13:31 liangv587: but it seems nothing changed
2015-04-21 13:31 neonat: i suggested 00:47:421 (3,4,5,1) - because if u switch to this http://i.imgur.com/rfqhsF6.png it will still emphasize the right vovals
2015-04-21 13:31 neonat: but also reduce the density of that section
2015-04-21 13:32 liangv587: oh i see
2015-04-21 13:34 neonat: because that and 01:54:087 (3,4,5,1) - i think should have less clicks to balance out the Normal
2015-04-21 13:34 neonat: even denser than chorus lol
2015-04-21 13:34 liangv587: ok\
2015-04-21 13:34 neonat: that's all for Normal
2015-04-21 13:41 neonat: any reason for hitsounds to be different between 01:53:879 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - and 00:47:213 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - ? lol
2015-04-21 13:43 liangv587: are they different?
2015-04-21 13:43 neonat: ye
2015-04-21 13:43 liangv587: i copy the hitsound
2015-04-21 13:43 neonat: 00:48:671 (2) -
2015-04-21 13:44 neonat: and 01:55:338 (2) -
2015-04-21 13:44 neonat: one has whistle on end
2015-04-21 13:44 neonat: 00:49:088 (3) - and 01:55:755 (3) -
2015-04-21 13:45 neonat: 02:25:546 (5,6) - this? http://i.imgur.com/LuVh8jG.png repeat slider i feel more comfortable
2015-04-21 13:46 neonat: well if it's intended the hitsounds to be different, then I understand
2015-04-21 13:46 neonat: I'm not sure so I ask you lol
2015-04-21 13:48 neonat: HW not online?
2015-04-21 13:48 liangv587: no
2015-04-21 13:48 liangv587: she went out
2015-04-21 13:49 neonat: today qualified maps all filled anyway
2015-04-21 13:49 neonat: lol
2015-04-21 13:52 liangv587: insane here02:25:963 (7,8,1) - -
2015-04-21 13:53 liangv587: should chenge to http://puu.sh/hlr7H.jpg
2015-04-21 13:53 liangv587: i discussed with her
2015-04-21 13:53 neonat: 02:25:963 (7,8) - should be a bigger jump yeah lol
2015-04-21 13:53 neonat: shouldn't stack
2015-04-21 13:54 neonat: also shouldn't the NC be at 02:26:796 (2) - ?
2015-04-21 13:54 neonat: also since we're looking at the insane
2015-04-21 13:55 neonat: 00:05:963 (1) - i think this should be a circle instead of a slider, to be like the rest: 00:02:630 (1) - 00:09:296 (1) -
2015-04-21 13:55 liangv587: 00:05:963 (1) - i can understand
2015-04-21 13:56 neonat: 00:29:296 (3) - stack on slider end like 00:30:130 (1,2) - stacking on slider start feels weird imo
2015-04-21 13:56 liangv587: 这个起连接作用，前面2小节，后面两小节，这个是补充
2015-04-21 13:57 liangv587: 00:30:130 (1,2) - yes
2015-04-21 13:58 neonat: well if you want variety for the start then ok
2015-04-21 14:06 neonat: 02:19:297 (7,8,1) - this just example, but I think having them face different diection instead of always the same would be better http://i.imgur.com/FTjPAOC.png
2015-04-21 14:08 liangv587: if should change this for her?
2015-04-21 14:09 neonat: u can ask her when she come back
2015-04-21 14:09 neonat: that's all
2015-04-21 14:09 liangv587: lol thanks a lot
2015-04-21 14:10 neonat: later just remind me to post
2015-04-21 14:10 neonat: also let me check the update
2015-04-21 14:10 neonat: later
2015-04-21 14:10 liangv587: olk
2015-04-21 14:10 liangv587: ok
2015-04-21 20:52 liangv587: hello
2015-04-21 20:52 neonat: hello
2015-04-21 20:53 liangv587: hw only changed one
2015-04-21 20:53 liangv587: 02:25:963 (7,8,1) -
2015-04-21 20:53 liangv587: others not
2015-04-21 20:54 liangv587: 00:05:963 (1) - 00:30:130 (1,2) - 02:19:713 (8) - not change
2015-04-21 20:55 neonat: reasong for no change for 02:19:713 (8) - ?
2015-04-21 20:59 liangv587: hw is onlie now
2015-04-21 20:59 neonat: k
2015-04-21 21:20 liangv587: is now ok? can i update?
2015-04-21 21:26 neonat: u can update if u want
2015-04-21 21:27 liangv587: ok
2015-04-21 21:27 liangv587: done
2015-04-21 23:38 neonat: 你还在吗？
2015-04-21 23:39 liangv587: zai
2015-04-21 23:39 liangv587: 在
2015-04-21 23:39 neonat: ok good haha
2015-04-21 23:39 neonat: in easy 03:32:630 (5,6) - better to be safe, cuz this is quite borderline in spacing
2015-04-21 23:39 neonat: probably the grid snap caused it but it's almost 1.15x
2015-04-21 23:40 neonat: everything else is 1.09~1.12x which is good
2015-04-21 23:40 liangv587: = =b all right
2015-04-21 23:44 neonat: can i clarify in Normal
2015-04-21 23:45 neonat: is the spacing difference here 00:23:463 (1,2) - intended
2015-04-21 23:45 neonat: it's 1.1x unlike the 1.2x of the rest
2015-04-21 23:46 liangv587: ok
2015-04-21 23:46 neonat: happens here too 01:23:463 (1,2) -
2015-04-21 23:54 liangv587: is that all?
2015-04-21 23:55 neonat: yeah
2015-04-21 23:55 liangv587: There will be no electricity, can i upload
2015-04-21 23:55 neonat: update if u can
2015-04-21 23:56 liangv587: done
SPOILER
2015-04-21 20:58 Hollow Wings: hi neonat
2015-04-21 20:58 Hollow Wings: i'm online to explain why i didn't change that part >.<
2015-04-21 20:59 Hollow Wings: 02:19:297 (7,8) - those two sliders are more like following the vocal track "oh... oh... " with decreased pitches, so i think they should be set in same directions
2015-04-21 21:00 Hollow Wings: and for that decreasement i think the ds should be shorter and shorter for both of those jumps after them
2015-04-21 21:00 Hollow Wings: so thou your idea is good in playing, i think my current version is better in fitting the song.
2015-04-21 21:00 Hollow Wings: that's all
2015-04-21 21:01 neonat: they are all 1.4x though, what do you mean by shorter and shorter
2015-04-21 21:01 Hollow Wings: just in tapping point level
2015-04-21 21:01 Hollow Wings: see those slider's head
2015-04-21 21:01 Hollow Wings: 7-8-1
2015-04-21 21:02 neonat: is it possible to have the angle of 02:19:297 (7,8) - less though
2015-04-21 21:02 Hollow Wings: let me see
2015-04-21 21:02 Hollow Wings: i think yes
2015-04-21 21:02 neonat: just suggesting
2015-04-21 21:03 Hollow Wings: sure
2015-04-21 21:04 Hollow Wings: adjusted a bit
2015-04-21 21:04 Hollow Wings: http://puu.sh/hlG2I/85cefa68e9.jpg
2015-04-21 21:04 Hollow Wings: hope it's good to you now :#
2015-04-21 21:05 neonat: i mean yea i can see that the difficulty is about playing and not as much about looks
2015-04-21 21:05 neonat: yeah that's nice
2015-04-21 21:05 Hollow Wings: ok >.<
2015-04-21 21:05 Hollow Wings: anything else i should take care? maybe other suggesions?
2015-04-21 21:06 Hollow Wings: or i'll let 587 update my diff now
2015-04-21 21:06 neonat: well
2015-04-21 21:06 neonat: 00:31:796 (3,4,5,1) - would have preferred if this pattern didn't stack on each other
2015-04-21 21:06 neonat: felt very empty
2015-04-21 21:07 Hollow Wings: ok... well previous ones are good to me
2015-04-21 21:07 Hollow Wings: i'll just spread 00:32:630 (4,5) - out
2015-04-21 21:08 Hollow Wings: http://puu.sh/hlGbV/9dd71abcb3.jpg
2015-04-21 21:09 neonat: and one more last thing that i felt when i played....lemme find it
2015-04-21 21:09 Hollow Wings: ok
2015-04-21 21:10 neonat: i think it was that bass beat here 03:21:588 - which was left out
2015-04-21 21:11 Hollow Wings: ahh that part
2015-04-21 21:11 Hollow Wings: because of the really special electric guitar at 03:20:130 (1,2,1,2) -
2015-04-21 21:12 Hollow Wings: i wanna blank that tick to emphasis the guitar track
2015-04-21 21:12 Hollow Wings: rather than the bass one, and i think i'll be more fun than fill all those beats in
2015-04-21 21:12 Hollow Wings: so i didn't put anything there
2015-04-21 21:12 neonat: i see
2015-04-21 21:12 Hollow Wings: :3
2015-04-21 21:13 neonat: it was probably the stack that caught me the most off gaurd
2015-04-21 21:13 neonat: but yeh other than that, u can send the update to 587
2015-04-21 21:13 Hollow Wings: ok, thank you for modding! :D
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Xinely
迟到了, liang恭喜 ~
zj0924
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zj0924
诗人？这飞的速度…… :o
Karen
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Karen
曹操草草
liaoxingyao
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liaoxingyao
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Axey
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Joined October 2009
Axey
不止osu 别的地方也是144 bpm是没问题的
Irreversible
osu! Alumni
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Joined December 2011
Irreversible
Hello,

we decided to pull this map out of the qualified section as for the following reason:

[Easy]

The map itself is, in our opinion, not really beginner-friendly. It contains lots of 1/2, and on top of that, not a clear rhythm to follow. We'd really like you to get rid off these, in order to create a more appropriate rhythm (since it's an easy diff after all). Don't get me wrong, red tick usage is allowed, but placing objects within a range of 1/2 isn't. Let me point up some quickly:

00:53:463 (1,2) - 00:56:588 (5,1) - 01:00:130 (1,2) - 01:01:796 (3,4) - 01:05:130 (4,5) -

Instead of having these, you should go with a simpler 1/1 rhythm.

[Normal]

Could I ask why you've used such a weird spacing for the whole diff? They overlapping is so small that it's noticable, yet can't be really count as overlapping. It's a personal suggestion, but we think that the map could really benefit of a slightly higher spacing. It will get less crampy overall, and so it will be more appealing to everyone.

[Hard]

Good.

[Insane]

Good.

Maybe you could ask HW, if you have problems with understanding why your map got DQ'd. I'm sure she will help you! Don't hesitate asking me further questions, whenever you need help.

Have a nice day.
Floating Cloud
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delta_t
24 posts
Joined November 2014
delta_t
此图的BPM应该是72.

原因：

1. 这首歌的速度就是72BPM
这首歌的曲风是偏摇滚的。对于这样的曲风，Wikipedia的Rock music 词条下有这样的描述：
Rock music is traditionally built on a foundation of simple unsyncopated rhythms in a 4/4 meter, with a repetitive snare drum back beat on beats two and four.
（虽然把Wikipedia当引用不是个好习惯，但是词条里这句话后面明确地给出了来源，这说明这句话还是很可信的。）
大概翻译成中文：摇滚乐通常以没有切分的4/4拍节奏为基础，并在第2、4拍上有重复的军鼓。

我们再来听《曹操》。
仔细听一下第一遍副歌的第一句（“东汉末年分三国”）的鼓点，你会清楚地听到“咚咚哒—咚咚哒—”的节奏。这个“哒”就是军鼓。如果按照72BPM打拍子的话，军鼓正好落在2、4拍上面，符合这首歌的风格。但是如果按照144BPM打拍子的话，军鼓会落在第3拍上，与前面提到的规则矛盾。
而第二句之后的鼓点都只是在这基础之上有一些添改，2、4拍的军鼓还是在的。

此外，你也可以参考一下知乎上相关问题的答案或者google/百度一下《曹操》的乐谱

2. Osu!中大多数歌都不存在BPM翻倍的情况
先以著名的Only my railgun为例简单说一下吧。

这首歌本身的速度为143BPM，而Osu!里这首歌所有ranked map都将BPM标成了143。
为什么这首歌本身的速度是143而不是71.5呢？
1. 这首歌的鼓点是非常带感的“咚咚咚咚”。这就是在电子舞曲里面常用的four-on-the-floor，每一拍来一下底鼓。按照一下底鼓一拍的节奏打拍子的话，这首歌的速度自然是143BPM。
2. 百度一下“only my railgun 乐谱”或者google一下“only my railgun sheet music”，你会发现所有乐谱都标着120-150之间的速度。
3. 流行歌曲，尤其是年代不太久远的，BPM通常是个整数。
4. 你把Only my railgun和曹操放在一起听你不觉得Only my railgun快得多么╮(╯_╰)╭

好了，既然知道了Only my railgun的速度是143BPM，那么...

曲风相同的fripSide - Sister's noise怎么想都该是144吧
fripSide - Level5 - judgelight - 该是140吧
fripSide - Future gazer是138吧
fripSide - Black bullet是155吧
fripSide - Glow in the darkness是145吧
ALTIMA - I'll believe是142吧
ALTIMA - Burst the gravity是148吧
......

在Osu!里找一下对应的map，你会发现，你会讶异，BPM全部没有翻倍。
要真这么一首一首找下去，我赌一个月support大多数歌都是用的歌本身的BPM。

3. Osu!wiki里完全没有提及BPM翻倍
不管是Timing还是How to time songs都没有提到将BPM翻倍的事情。所以，BPM简单地填成72就好了。

4. BPM填成72有什么好处呢？
1. 在加hitsound的时候可以无脑地在2、4拍上加军鼓或者clap。
2. 有利于培养正确的节奏感。
3. 我不知道有什么理由不用72BPM。
Hollow Wings
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Hollow Wings
↑回复楼上某人

1. 维基 and so on = nothing.
2. bpm确定通常由鼓点轨来决定，然而这种做法直接导致了忽略其他轨带来的影响。一首曲子的bpm更多的是由曲子本身音符快慢来确定一拍的时间为多长，而不是直接人为决定某条轨为决定bpm的标准，“歌本身的bpm”并不一定就是歌本身的bpm。←这点肯定很多人都不同意且无法理解，我只能摊手。
3. 通常曲子的真正bpm由1/16拍大小为多少决定（editor中的蓝线），鼓点轨的连打包含在这个范围。然而事实上真的能够做到全程1/16又保证downbeat有kick的曲子并不在多数，既然如此就不得不重新考虑1/16如何定拍。另外，此曲symbol和炮姐曲的kick速度别无二致，你对此曲的质疑全部可以套回你举的例子上。
4. 试想全程都是二分拍的曲子kick落在一三拍，全程都是二分拍的曲子kick只落在一拍，全程都是四分拍的曲子kick落在一三拍，全程都是四分拍的曲子kick只落在一拍，这四种曲子你得出的bpm结果能支持你的说法吗？你判断1/16音符的快慢仅仅只是靠kick的落点吗？
5. 我不想再继续解释了，浪费时间。下面还有人要来骂我或者当考据党来扇我脸的，请随意。
feel free to slap me and say i'm talking bullshit here, i don't care anymore, indeed.




我码那么多字干嘛，感觉吃饱撑的。
╮(╯_╰)╭




to irre: i certainly agree with you that the lower diff's rhythm can be a issue, which need works to do. (maybe it's my bad for not checking it before asking for qualifying even as a gder) thou as for normal diff, that may be some kind of unique arrange style in structure, and i think it'll be fine even to noobs with those spacings.

to 587: 在最低难度里，所有gap尽量保持一致，也就是推荐全部1/1。我现在没在寝室，看不到你的图，不过我猜你现在最低难度一定是节奏比较复杂的，具体表现为：1/2的slider附近混杂着1/2和1/1的gap，这在目前的rank系统里是不允许的。你现在要做的就是将easy里所有1/2slider（包括折返slider）两边的gap都arrange成1/1，或是更大的gap。另外，注意不要让slider本身的节奏太复杂，包括红线起白线收的slider两边的gap一个1/1一个3/2前后又接不同长度的slider等。。。可能比较需要感性的判断。
你可以先自己改一下然后让其他人看看，实在不行那就等我晚上回去再给你看。

p.s. bpm144不需要改。
tutuhaha
3,000 posts
Joined October 2010
tutuhaha
bpm144不用改
HW说的可能是有歧义，说是osu里BPM都是翻倍的
你说的BPM72主要是跟鼓
而BPM144是更倾向于跟人声
这要看你作图的时候主要跟的是什么了
这是我的理解
稍微喽了一眼low diff, 有些部分最好的处理方法为slider拉到红线然后折返
你这Easy的节奏用的是normal的啊.........
sp3你拉我来围观个毛都不能愉快的摸图了
哎呦我以前还干过BPM÷2然后全程用2.0X这种蠢事呢这算个毛啊
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Megurine Luka
2,580 posts
Joined November 2010
Megurine Luka
楼上出卖了sp3
想说的前面说过了，建议不要过于纠结这个问题，不如多做点图自己感受感受。
哦，当然更建议多开中文歌感受感受。古风尤甚。
如果哪天古风曲井喷，我也会很欣慰的。
delta_t
24 posts
Joined November 2014
delta_t

Hollow Wings wrote:

↑回复楼上某人

1. 维基 and so on = nothing.
2. bpm确定通常由鼓点轨来决定，然而这种做法直接导致了忽略其他轨带来的影响。一首曲子的bpm更多的是由曲子本身音符快慢来确定一拍的时间为多长，而不是直接人为决定某条轨为决定bpm的标准，“歌本身的bpm”并不一定就是歌本身的bpm。←这点肯定很多人都不同意且无法理解，我只能摊手。
3. 通常曲子的真正bpm由1/16拍大小为多少决定（editor中的蓝线），鼓点轨的连打包含在这个范围。然而事实上真的能够做到全程1/16又保证downbeat有kick的曲子并不在多数，既然如此就不得不重新考虑1/16如何定拍。另外，此曲symbol和炮姐曲的kick速度别无二致，你对此曲的质疑全部可以套回你举的例子上。
4. 试想全程都是二分拍的曲子kick落在一三拍，全程都是二分拍的曲子kick只落在一拍，全程都是四分拍的曲子kick落在一三拍，全程都是四分拍的曲子kick只落在一拍，这四种曲子你得出的bpm结果能支持你的说法吗？你判断1/16音符的快慢仅仅只是靠kick的落点吗？
5. 我不想再继续解释了，浪费时间。下面还有人要来骂我或者当考据党来扇我脸的，请随意。
feel free to slap me and say i'm talking bullshit here, i don't care anymore, indeed.
1. 随便吧
2. 前面都说的没错，但是“‘歌本身的bpm’并不一定就是歌本身的bpm”这句话如果不加解释当然很多人都无法理解。
3. 此曲cymbal和炮姐曲的kick速度一样又怎么了？我之前根本没有提到cymbal啊...不过硬要提的话，这里提到“一般流行歌曲中镲片打的节奏都是八分音符”，正好符合72的BPM。
4. 用kick来判断节奏的前提是电子舞曲，这我之前提到过。而符合这四种情形之一的曲子我还暂时没找到。而在舞曲的范围内一拍一kick的节奏是相当普遍的，从小苹果到烂苹果，从最炫民族风到The fox，从Only my railgun到旋转吧雪月花都是这样。
5. 如果你不是BN的话我也不想写这么多的...我不希望更多的人被“Osu!的BPM是翻倍的”这样的言论误导。我如果说《雪人》和《七月七日晴》的速度是29BPM的话你自己也不会相信吧。
cmn_891127
1,308 posts
Joined July 2010
cmn_891127
关于easy，你应该是想跟着人声下节奏，但是又不舍得放弃白线上加hitsound，所以才用的1/2的折返
如果你打算改成1/1的话，还想保持现有的hitsound，你可以：
  1. 在”//Storyboard Sound Samples“下面手动填
  2. 或者用tick2，在tick上加音效
这两个方法在https://osu.ppy.sh/b/164769这个里面有用了。可以参考一下
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