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Qrispy Joybox feat.Sana - Twinkle Wonderland [CatchTheBeat]

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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Saturday, May 4, 2019 at 9:27:16 AM

Artist: Qrispy Joybox feat.Sana
Title: Twinkle Wonderland
Source: REFLEC BEAT limelight
Tags: pop'n music konami bemani
BPM: 188
Filesize: 3068kb
Play Time: 01:37
Difficulties Available:
  1. Platter (3.16 stars, 336 notes)
  2. Rain (4.63 stars, 408 notes)
  3. Salad (2.19 stars, 249 notes)
Download: Qrispy Joybox feat.Sana - Twinkle Wonderland
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Zak
m4m

[Salad]
00:12:924 (5,6) - Distance here may confuse whether dash is needed or not, reduce or increase to make clear.
00:15:796 (7,8) - Same thing. (This entire section is also possible without dashing once which may make it too easy.)

Not really much to point aside from almost the entire map being doable without dashing.

[Platter]
00:25:690 (4,5,6) - Might be considered somewhat of an antiflow pattern? If it is change slightly.

Nothing else to mention here.

[Rain]

I have no suggestions to make for this, everything feels fine honestly.


Sorry that I have so little to point out, but it's hard to find things to point out when everything in this set pretty much feels just fine.
Topic Starter
Del

Zak wrote:

m4m

[Salad]
00:12:924 (5,6) - Distance here may confuse whether dash is needed or not, reduce or increase to make clear.
Increased Spacing a bit
00:15:796 (7,8) - Same thing. (This entire section is also possible without dashing once which may make it too easy.)
Same

Not really much to point aside from almost the entire map being doable without dashing.
I increased some spacing throughout the map to make promote more dashing.

[Platter]
00:25:690 (4,5,6) - Might be considered somewhat of an antiflow pattern? If it is change slightly.
Fixed

Nothing else to mention here.

[Rain]

I have no suggestions to make for this, everything feels fine honestly.


Sorry that I have so little to point out, but it's hard to find things to point out when everything in this set pretty much feels just fine.
Thank You!
Secre
hey

all diffs:

make end point of spinner here on all diffs for consistency, plus to end it off on this sound feels better imo 01:37:817 -

salad

00:04:626 (1) - this repeat slider starts on a sound, but the sound that is "repeating" doesnt start until later on in it, while this 00:05:424 (1) - slider here follows no sound at all
i suggest making a singular note 00:04:626 (1) - here while starting the repeat slider or slider on this sound 00:04:945

00:14:679 (4,1) - jump here feels a bit too far and awkward, reduce the spacing

01:05:902 (1,1) - same issue here as 00:04:626 (1)

platter

00:04:705 (2,3,4) - same problem as in the salad, these notes have no sound attached to them

00:07:977 (4,5,6,7) - this pattern feels very awkward to hit, having to leftright then hit a hyper into the next note, possibly hard for a platter

00:09:253 (2) - i dont get why this has to be a repeat slider, can't it just be a singular note on the right side of the screen? there is no sounds to indicate a need for a repeat slider

00:16:115 (5) - i feel like this note should be emphasized with a jump instead of being a stand still on the previous note due to the intense vocals

rain

ok so here's a few things, 00:15:796 (1) - feels like it should be the hyper-note instead of 00:16:115 (2) - , 00:16:115 (2,1) - the distance between these two feel too far and unworthy of a hyper jump, i would increase the spacing between 00:15:716 (4,1) - while decreasing spacing between 00:16:115 (2,1) -

01:14:519 (6,7) - i feel as if both of these notes shouldnt be hypers, possibly only one
Topic Starter
Del

chickenbible wrote:

hey

all diffs:

make end point of spinner here on all diffs for consistency, plus to end it off on this sound feels better imo 01:37:817 - All the points are the same and I think it's fine where they are

salad

00:04:626 (1) - this repeat slider starts on a sound, but the sound that is "repeating" doesnt start until later on in it, while this 00:05:424 (1) - slider here follows no sound at all It follows the same sound as the previous repeating slider, but I chose not to make it a stream to reduce density. However, I did now change it into a stream.
i suggest making a singular note 00:04:626 (1) - here while starting the repeat slider or slider on this sound 00:04:945 Changed

00:14:679 (4,1) - jump here feels a bit too far and awkward, reduce the spacing Changed

01:05:902 (1,1) - same issue here as 00:04:626 (1) Changed

platter

00:04:705 (2,3,4) - same problem as in the salad, these notes have no sound attached to them I don't think it's that noticeable and I like how that's pattern plays, so no change for now.

00:07:977 (4,5,6,7) - this pattern feels very awkward to hit, having to leftright then hit a hyper into the next note, possibly hard for a platter
I made the spacing of (7) even with (5), but no pattern change as that pattern was chosen to emphasize that part of the song


00:09:253 (2) - i dont get why this has to be a repeat slider, can't it just be a singular note on the right side of the screen? there is no sounds to indicate a need for a repeat slider I made it a regular slider because I want a hyper at the end of (2) to emphasize the sound on (3)

00:16:115 (5) - i feel like this note should be emphasized with a jump instead of being a stand still on the previous note due to the intense vocals
there's a sort of hold in the vocals that would that this pattern is meant to emphasize. It could also be done with a slider, but I personal prefer how it it is now.

rain

ok so here's a few things, 00:15:796 (1) - feels like it should be the hyper-note instead of 00:16:115 (2) - , 00:16:115 (2,1) - the distance between these two feel too far and unworthy of a hyper jump, i would increase the spacing between 00:15:716 (4,1) - while decreasing spacing between 00:16:115 (2,1) -
The sound at 00:16:275 (1) - is much stronger than 00:15:796 (1) - therefore, and it is also the start of a new stanza, so no change for that. However, I did reduce the spacing of of (2,1) for to the minimum hyper trigger distance. No change to (4,1). I like the current spacing as it requires movement but no too much to make the following patterns too hard to catch

01:14:519 (6,7) - i feel as if both of these notes shouldnt be hypers, possibly only one The first hyper emphasize the crash on (6), while the second emphasize the shift in the music at (1). Also the that pattern is also meant to emphasize the "ka-ke-yoou -wo" in the vocals, so no change.
Thanks for modding! :D
Ascendance
Hello! I'm interested in nominating this, but I think the lower diffs could use some work. Please try to collect 2-3 mods and then call me <:
Nokashi
Hello friend! from the sd_orchard queue!
Glad to see this moving forward!

General
  1. Consider changing title to Qrispy Joybox feat. Sana so its possible to find it through search
  2. Some cool tags as well: " トゥインクルポップ TWINKLE POP jubeat jukebeat beatstream "

Salad
  1. 00:01:434 (4,5) - Consider increasing this spacing, being consistent with something like this 00:06:541 (4,5) - could improve this pattern further
  2. 00:03:190 (5,1) - reaaallly weak spacing here, theres almost no contrast between 00:02:870 (4,5,1) - even though the sound here 00:03:190 (5,1) - is way stronger than the rest. Try introducing dashes here since the sound definitely asks for it
  3. 00:08:296 (5,1) - Super underwhelming spacing, definitely expected a dash here
  4. 00:12:126 (3,4,5,6,1) - I have some objections about the way you handle the music here.
    1. The current pattern here is drastically less dense than the previous stanza making it really awkward
    2. The way you handle the dashing here requires some awkward handling to hit and it isnt really helping newer players get used to this new mechanic
    3. Possible solution would be this rhythm with ticker starting on 00:12:285 - and a definite dash on 00:13:243 (5,1) - .
      Side note: You can also use a similar rhythm here 00:14:838 (1,2,3,4,5) and 00:17:232 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - - where the vocals are the same. Definitely would play better than plain circles. Dont forget to add dashes to the strongest sound, as presented in the rhythm screenshot on the first example
  5. 00:18:828 (1,2) - Vocals here can be interpreted in a way more interesting manner than just vertical sliders, consider adding more horizontality here, as well as a circle here 00:19:785 - to better express the synth along with the vocals, distancing with the big slider is up to you but I do believe it could benefit from a dash
  6. 00:22:019 (3,4,5,6) - The rhythmical structure here is incoherent with the music in general here and in all similar measures that follow, you use minimal density, unfitting with the music, and almost no dashes, while most distances that could come out as dashes, are ambiguous by their own. Heres a rhythm im possibly recommending for this type of music ( 00:21:381 - 00:23:934 - this measure here and the next 2-3 ones that are basically the same) is something along the lines of this Dont forget about dashes on the big white ticks!
  7. 00:31:594 (1,2,3,4,5) - I get that you are mapping vocals here but mapping only vocals while the synth is that strong is a bit offputting to say the least. You can try going for a better mix of both the layers for more coherence between sounds. This is recurring issue in this whole section (up to 00:32:711 (1,2,3,4) - ) which should be reviewed Try to use more filler rhythm based on synth rather than 1/2 - 1/1 circles based on choppy vocals. It would give off a better feel in general both in terms of musical expression and flow
  8. 00:32:711 (1,2,3,4) - (1) and (2) are definitely stronger than (3) and (4) yet they both get similar spacing which is pretty awkward on its own
  9. 00:46:913 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Structurally this rhythm could benefit better from more held elements like the last measure which had some interesting rhythm (although it was missing dashes so ill try covering that again soon)
  10. 00:50:424 (4,5,6) - (4) -> (5) has to be the dash here, consider making (5,6) a 1/1 slider with (4) -> (5) being the dash
  11. 00:52:019 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) - About this sections, on its own it is suprisingly Inconsistent in a sense that every stanza the rhythm changes drastically, some focus synth some focus vocal, however such a fluctuation is really offputting and definitely should be worked upon.
  12. 01:12:445 - 01:22:338 - Aaand this section basically has the same problems I covered 00:12:126 (3,4,5,6,1) 00:18:828 (1,2) in these lengthy notes. So do try looking over this again.
  13. And the rest of kiai even though it tries to express some interesting rhythm, most of the time it ends up using the same 1/2 circle patterns emphasizing the sounds minimally, so I suppose this is just the problems repeating

I'll stop this here and urge you to relook your rhythms in this salad before I continue with the rest of the diffs along with another extensive check on the salad. Currently i disregarded the fact that salad is inherently missing a lot of dashing potential, but since this problem arises from the poor usage of rhythm and spacing, i think focusing on rhythm first seems like the way to go!
Although i too would urge you asking for more opinions on this other than me, but it would be better after im done since then the salad would be way more polished that it is now
So yeah, examine this mod closely, then call me for a recheck on distancing and other things, along with the check on the other diffs. Let me know if you have any other questions regarding this! You know where to find me :D
See you soon!~
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