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Hitomi Harada - eternal feather

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Shad0w1and
1,588 posts
Joined April 2011
Topic Starter
Shad0w1and
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2017年2月12日 at 20:35:56

Artist: Hitomi Harada
Title: eternal feather
Source: ef - a fairy tale of the two.
Tags: Yuukyuu no Tsubasa minori Tenmon 天門 first movie ver. Pata-Mon Lyric
BPM: 130
Filesize: 25556kb
Play Time: 02:19
Difficulties Available:
  1. Insane (3.95 stars, 334 notes)
  2. Lyric's Hard (2.88 stars, 259 notes)
  3. Pata-Mon's Normal (1.85 stars, 128 notes)
Download: Hitomi Harada - eternal feather
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#21 原田ひとみ - 悠久の翼
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ef - a fairy tale of the two.
Game OP Theme | 2006

Did you still recall Angel Yuko on every Christmas?

Insane: me | Hard: Lyric | Normal: Pata-Mon

eternal feather | emotional flutter | ebullient future (Piano Ver.) | ef

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中文译名：
悠久之翼
DMCA Inc.
Last edited by Shad0w1and , edited 56 times in total.
qxqd_1993
17 posts
Joined June 2012
qxqd_1993
都是中國人何必說外文，對吧~
If it is necessary, please reply me in PM for a translate.

嘛_(:з」∠)_只是作为一个新手发表一点碎碎念而已

Normal
00:31:632(1,2,3) 我注意到了这里和HARD的设定是一样的，如果你希望有所区别的话可以把1,2,3合成一个长滑条？
01:31:854(2) 把它叠在Slider 3上面，然后旋转Slider 3把Slider 1的终端包起来会不会对于Normal来讲更友善呢？感觉
01:53:410(4) 我觉得给Slider 4旋转个180°……其实我觉得这里可以做点什么？我画了个这，不知道合不合你的口味？
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Hard
00:14:965(8) 我知道在HARD里面肯定少不了跳，但是这里跳我个人认为不但没有意义而且破坏节奏，因为这两处的节奏是一样的@ 00:20:521
00:31:188 这里就这么留白真的好么？
00:59:854(5,6,7) 赞
01:01:188(9,10) 用Slider感觉更好？
01:07:188(4,5) 这里的处理感觉不是很好，尤其是对比01:05:410有个相同的音节，给人的感觉差是相当的…诡异？
我的想法是反选Slider 4撤掉它的箭头，然后再补个Circle
168,332,66299,2,0,B|72:320|36:252,1,160
36,252,67188,1,0,0:0:0:0:
92,172,67410,1,0,0:0:0:0:
01:12:521 ……
01:16:965(1,2,3)这算是一个反跳么=-=感觉挺不错？不在01:20:521(2,3,4)如法炮制一下么？
01:36:299(2,3,4,1)位置可以做个微调，让始端的视觉效果更好一点？

Insane
00:23:743 我有一种漏音符了的错觉？
00:31:632 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) 做个水平翻转吧？


赞

OTHERS
感觉3张图的音轨线都一样呢=-=不试试另外一条么？

完了
Lyric
293 posts
Joined September 2013
Lyric 
http://puu.sh/svTRE/a5481849d5.7z
Hard
终于好了
Fushimi Rio
Fushimi Rio
我觉得N还是有点难 补一个简单点的E吧

[Hard]
00:57:409 - 这个空拍空掉白线感觉挺突兀的 如果要保留的话前面相同的位置也做个空拍比较好
01:40:964 (1) - 这拆成俩比较舒服
01:58:520 (1) - 换成三连？

[Insane]
01:14:298 (1) - 这个叠也不怎么好看 不如移到一边去
01:42:742 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - 用滑条更好 一段全是圈打起来感觉都一样 没法表现渐强

kiai全是单点 滑条都没几个导致节奏有点单一 这个自己随便改改比较好 没必要我找地方提建议……
Atrue
osu! Alumni
1,017 posts
Joined July 2012
Atrue
Unused hitsounds:
drum-sliderslide.wav

没看metadata， 见谅。
[Para-Mon's Normal]
没啥要说的，挺好的。
[Lyric's Hard]
感觉不错
01:40:964 (1) - 这里不建议用这种节奏型，分成两个折返滑条就好。
01:42:742 - 既然前边已经有节奏型的前例，不用NC spam强调也可以，用了反而觉得乱。
[Insane]
00:08:075 - 这个地方好像不是这个钢琴音吧。 我觉得跟这种散拍钢琴挺难搞的。
01:41:261 (2) - 这一段距离增大吧，因为你之前的二分拍就差不多这个距离，这里没有很明显的预兆会让人突然出一个100的。

祝顺利
smallboat
1,687 posts
Joined January 2010
smallboat
[Global]
drum-sliderslide.wav
沒有用到。

[Lyric's Hard]

01:23:853 (5,6) - 建議6可以再靠過來左邊一點，使5、6的尾端、7的間隙看起來一樣空比較好看。
01:40:964 (1) - 很少在Hard看到這麼多次數的折返，拆成2組較適當。
01:42:742 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - 這個有點濫用NC了，覺得是3個音才設一組NC才對。
02:15:131 (1) - 尾端沒音了為什麼還有音量這麼大聲。

[Insane]

00:03:187 (1,5) - 滑條尾端設個5%音量好像不錯 (如果要用記得別把後面滑條也5%了..)
00:07:742 (4) - 滑條頭完全蓋住會比較好看
00:08:076 (5) - 應該能完全放在滑條尖端?
00:56:298 (4) - 這note可以往右下移動做個漸層pattern看看合不合適
01:06:742 (2) - 是沒疊好?
01:18:298 (2) - 同上
02:15:131 (1) - 同Hard
Pata-Mon
1,489 posts
Joined March 2015
Pata-Mon
@虾抖
01:44:075 (1) - 我难度这个滑条首尾帮我加个whistle吧 谢
Shurelia
Global Moderator
2,771 posts
Joined December 2013
Shurelia
extra late m4m

[GeneraL]
  1. drum-sliderslide.wav are not used on any of these diffs. Just remove it.

[Normal]
  1. 00:18:298 (2) - it hits the timeline , probably should just avoid this.
  2. 00:19:186 (3) - same ^
  3. 00:26:298 (3) - is hitting the timeline mapping are your thing ?
  4. 01:16:075 (1,2) - yeah, probably this is your thing. Not gonna mention it anymore
  5. 01:57:075 (1) - should just end this spinner at 02:00:520 - since I know you're trying to follow the bgm but naah, it's not really fit to be followed with spinner imo

[Hard]
  1. 00:33:409 - Ignoring this downbeat isn't really a good idea tbh. Probably should just make 00:33:186 (5) - as a repeat like the previous repeats. Or, you can try putting a circle at here
  2. 01:19:409 - a bit too strong to be not mapped.
  3. 01:29:409 (3,6) - you didn't do any kind of overlap before. Why now? I suggest to stay no-overlap thing instead.

[Insane]
  1. 00:04:965 (1) - move this around 236|112 to avoid too much overlapping and make things looks prettier.
  2. 01:40:965 (1) - probably need more distance since it's the strongest vocal's voice in the song so it'll be better if it have a big emphasize. Probably just ctrl+g this 01:40:965 (1,2) - would fix it
  3. nice spinners

gl
Pata-Mon
1,489 posts
Joined March 2015
Pata-Mon
@Shurelia objects hits the timeline don't effect playing lol
02:04:075 - is much more import than 02:00:520 - so keep
thanks for mod
Shad0w1and
1,588 posts
Joined April 2011
Topic Starter
Shad0w1and

smallboat wrote:

[Global]
drum-sliderslide.wav
沒有用到。
 :arrow: 这是ma的错判，用到了的，你可以对比删掉之后这个sliderslide的区别：00:19:187 (1) - 00:26:298 (1) -
[Insane]

00:03:187 (1,5) - 滑條尾端設個5%音量好像不錯 (如果要用記得別把後面滑條也5%了..)
00:07:742 (4) - 滑條頭完全蓋住會比較好看
00:08:076 (5) - 應該能完全放在滑條尖端?
00:56:298 (4) - 這note可以往右下移動做個漸層pattern看看合不合適 :arrow: 差别不大，就这样了吧
01:06:742 (2) - 是沒疊好?
01:18:298 (2) - 同上
02:15:131 (1) - 同Hard

Shurelia wrote:

extra late m4m

[Insane]
  1. 00:04:965 (1) - move this around 236|112 to avoid too much overlapping and make things looks prettier.
  2. 01:40:965 (1) - probably need more distance since it's the strongest vocal's voice in the song so it'll be better if it have a big emphasize. Probably just ctrl+g this 01:40:965 (1,2) - would fix it :arrow: plays fine anyways, the jump is not hard anyways.
  3. nice spinners

gl

drum-sliderslide.wav is used, MA made a mistake.
另：GDers全部自行检查clap，我切换了很多音轨到strings，你们漏了很多clap。
Pata-Mon
1,489 posts
Joined March 2015
Pata-Mon
SPOILER
osu file format v14

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Countdown: 0
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[Metadata]
Title:eternal feather
TitleUnicode:悠久の翼
Artist:Hitomi Harada
ArtistUnicode:原田ひとみ
Creator:Shad0w1and
Version:Pata-Mon's Normal
Source:ef - a fairy tale of the two.
Tags:Yuukyuu no Tsubasa minori Pata-Mon Lyric
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BeatmapSetID:297565

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Lyric
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Lyric

imoutosan wrote:

[Hard]
00:57:409 - 这个空拍空掉白线感觉挺突兀的 如果要保留的话前面相同的位置也做个空拍比较好 // 改掉了前面的
01:40:964 (1) - 这拆成俩比较舒服 // OK
01:58:520 (1) - 换成三连？ // OK

Atrue wrote:

[Lyric's Hard]
感觉不错
01:40:964 (1) - 这里不建议用这种节奏型，分成两个折返滑条就好。 // OK
01:42:742 - 既然前边已经有节奏型的前例，不用NC spam强调也可以，用了反而觉得乱。 // OK

smallboat wrote:

[Lyric's Hard]
01:23:853 (5,6) - 建議6可以再靠過來左邊一點，使5、6的尾端、7的間隙看起來一樣空比較好看。 // OK
01:40:964 (1) - 很少在Hard看到這麼多次數的折返，拆成2組較適當。 // OK
01:42:742 (1,1,1,1,1,1) - 這個有點濫用NC了，覺得是3個音才設一組NC才對。 // OK
02:15:131 (1) - 尾端沒音了為什麼還有音量這麼大聲。 // 调成了12%音量的spinner

Shurelia wrote:

[Hard]
  1. 00:33:409 - Ignoring this downbeat isn't really a good idea tbh. Probably should just make 00:33:186 (5) - as a repeat like the previous repeats. Or, you can try putting a circle at here // I can't agree this. drum sound ended at 00:33:298 and there's no reason mapping vocal abruptly in this place
  2. 01:19:409 - a bit too strong to be not mapped. // ditto, mapping drum-only is good and clear to play anyways
  3. 01:29:409 (3,6) - you didn't do any kind of overlap before. Why now? I suggest to stay no-overlap thing instead. // OK, changed
update:
http://puu.sh/tPbiY/04f321cb6d.7z
smallboat
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smallboat
Looks fine in general, so give it Bubbled
Shad0w1and
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谢谢船爷 :)

metadata from ost and single
SPOILER


not sure should i add movie ver or not.
Sonnyc
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General.
I'd like you to consider more about mapping the section after 02:04:075. The mapping shown in this section is rather forced than forming some organized patterns or techniques. There are attempts of a circle in Hard, and spinners in Insane, but it just feels to exist for the sake of existance. Perhaps, the section itself wasn't really mappable enough. Also the current setting resulted in an inconsistent ending spot with Normal. While it is acceptable enough, I think such inconsistency could've been avoidable enough for consistency cross difficulty. Just removing this section would be the best imo.

Normal.
01:25:853 (5,6) - Spacing.

Hard.
01:19:409 - There is an existing vocal beat in the song. I'm not really sure if leaving this empty fits the song nicely. Other blanks like 01:22:853 had no vocals existing. You'll want to map here to keep consistency.

Insane.
00:03:187 (1,1) - You were using a blanket concept, but the path of the first slider overlaps with the following slider's head. It didn't felt nice in aesthetics, and it would be better if you could make an improvement.
00:28:076 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5) - I do not approve this placement selection. The first part is 3/4 while the final part was 2/3 in rhythms. However there is no way to properly discern the rhythms between those two according to your pattern selection. It is mainly because the spacings are just similarly wide. Even the 1/2 and 3/4 isn't really discernable. Since indicating a proper rhythm is important, I'd ask you a different map design than this.
00:50:742 (3) - Using a low curve rate slider as 00:50:076 (2) would fit the slider concept of this section and make things more consistent.

Popping over bold issues.

Besides, I consider this map to be focusing more on "playability". That is, gathering more opinion from modders definitely benefits this mapset better. While the quality feels fine enough, considering such trait of this map, I require more community feedback on this.

I'll come back when I think this is ready enough.
Shad0w1and
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I do not see your point on both bold issues.
Also, I do not believe these are valid reasons to pop a bubble.
They are fine to me and these track switches are clear and playable.
I won't change them.
I do not agree with other issues you mentioned on my diff either.
GDers may take a look at your diffs and fix some.
Sonnyc
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Regarding the general issue, I think it would be fine if you want to keep it.
However the bold issue in the insane is something I considered as a must fix. A similar 2/3 rhythm concept also appears at 01:40:965 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) which I couldn't found much difference with the 3/4 designs.

You do not necessarily have to agree with me, and you can just found 2 extra BNs who agree with your current beatmap design.

Still, feel free to poke me if you decide to make changes!
Shad0w1and
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Shad0w1and

Sonnyc wrote:

Regarding the general issue, I think it would be fine if you want to keep it.
However the bold issue in the insane is something I considered as a must fix. A similar 2/3 rhythm concept also appears at 01:40:965 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) which I couldn't found much difference with the 3/4 designs.

You do not necessarily have to agree with me, and you can just found 2 extra BNs who agree with your current beatmap design.

Still, feel free to poke me if you decide to make changes!
yes, but these are in different sections, more importantly, NC for time signature change is enough for players to recognize the difference.
in many mapsets including my previous maps, like https://osu.ppy.sh/b/867157 on 00:24:766 - we discussed similar issues with bakari and other BNs at the time. If you really need more examples, I could find more. But it is just not a problem when it comes to play.


update: did an adjustment, also fixed normal
Wafu
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Sonnyc asked us for some opinion, I'm mostly okay about how it turned out. It would be nice to add a composer (Tenmon, 天門) to the tags as there are some of his other maps and betraying a composer is kinda rude. Having "first" in the tags could be helpful to those who played "ef - the first tale.", this song was an "opening" here as well. It can find it on a website, but obviously not in-game, so it might be cool to add. Not as important as the composer, though. Good luck.

Edit: Denied myself a kd, I find it unfair to receive kd for tags.
Although I would like to mention 01:07:631 (1,2,3) - in Insane for being quite irrelevant. There is slight overmap in certain parts, but that doesn't matter so much, but this part really bothered me. The beginning of each slider seems to have a sound, the first seems to start at a viola/violin, the second and third seems to start on a bass, but none of them end on an actual sound and it is very notable that they don't. I myself would completely remake the three sliders into something more intuitive, but at least partially muting the slider ends would make more sense.
Shad0w1and
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i do not like muted sliderend anyways. always trying to avoid it unless i have to.

for the metadata, as showed on the cover, it is the second track with a name of "movie ver."
we could not identify whether it is "eternal feather (movie ver.)" or "eternal feather movie ver." or anything else.
in the sense of not making up a false metadata, we want to make it safe and go with the original title "eternal feather" and add "movie ver." into tags.
because we can't just use "movie ver." as the song's name.
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Wafu
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Shad0w1and wrote:

for the metadata, as showed on the cover, it is the second track with a name of "movie ver."
we could not identify whether it is "eternal feather (movie ver.)" or "eternal feather movie ver." or anything else.
in the sense of not making up a false metadata, we want to make it safe and go with the original title "eternal feather" and add "movie ver." into tags.
because we can't just use "movie ver." as the song's name.
I have minori's Pleasurable box and it contains both the video you used and the exact same one with captions (I think that one was also in-game, but I don't recall exactly). It shows the Japanese name "悠久の翼" and right next to it, there's "eternal feather" as the romanisation. The official theme album has the movie ver. which is about 2:25, but the full version is called "eternal feather" and is about 5:00 long. So the song, in reality, is probably the "movie ver.", but I would consider the current title correct as well. Adding "movie ver." to tags is a clever step, I can confirm this solution.
Lyric
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update:
http://puu.sh/tRSK6/659d60a2f5.7z
fixed this issue:

Sonnyc wrote:

Hard.
01:19:409 - There is an existing vocal beat in the song. I'm not really sure if leaving this empty fits the song nicely. Other blanks like 01:22:853 had no vocals existing. You'll want to map here to keep consistency.
Pata-Mon
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……
Shad0w1and have fixed my diff
thanks for mod
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Shad0w1and
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Pata-Mon wrote:

01:25:853 (5) - https://puu.sh/tScHK/ad2c66d5b3.png
01:26:298 (6) - https://puu.sh/tScI2/5d740af0ff.png
seems right...
我给你改了的
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