Just to be clear:

18:14 -!- Hitter|dead [70c94a36@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #wwg
18:14 < Hitter|dead> morning al
18:14 < Hitter|dead> all
18:14 <@stragerLN> omg
18:15 <@stragerLN> Did you get Insomniac results or no?
18:15 < Hitter|dead> i have but 10 min before i go to school
18:15 < Hitter|dead> yes
18:15 <@stragerLN> and what were they
18:15 < Hitter|dead> jockey is a wolf

I'll save my vote for my epicpost later tonight or tomorrow.

Since that's apparently the topic of debate right now:

NoHItter PM'ed me on this several days ago when Night began, desiring some kind of message for the public that would be discovered upon his death. We exchanged several PMs regarding the content of the message, what I would/wouldn't allow in it, and we both made appropriate changes the other approved of in the end.

Which is about the same as happens with every Note I am sent. Nothing special or extremely out of the ordinary as far as I am concerned.

yay epic posts! I like those
So he DID get his Insomniac results? Why didn't he just say so in the note then?

nardi11011 wrote:

Why didn't he just say so in the note then?

Ace Of Hearts wrote:

For the record: This Note was discussed with and approved by the Host, as amended by both parties as currently seen.

A male voice, NoHItter's, saying, "Notes to self; I think I know who one of the Youkai is. I think he's none other than my friend jockey....

...What?

if jockey was the one he had seen using his insomniac, he would have worded his note more assuredly

or so nardi's logic seems to be

Ah, I see.

Avatar change for Day 2.

Seeing as the note has gone over a lot of revisions with Ace, I would think that he isn't allowed to explicitly state that he saw jockey. That's just my guess though, I really don't know how revealing the notes are allowed to be.

he said in irc that jockey was definitely a wolf, based on him "seeing" him

speaking of irc, why am I still banned for no reason

Vote: jockey

Here's a weak whack at my logic muscles, which are mostly fried from six hours of bleh at work.

Disclaimer: Textually, this analysis assumes NoHItter is an Insomniac, and thus the reverse result can be derived if NoHItter is not an Insomniac. Logically, this analysis does not assume so, unless stated. I just didn't want to clog the text with "blah if NoHItter is an Insomniac, and not-blah if he isn't".

First, I'll answer some essential questions you may be having.

Why did the wolves target NoHItter?

Here's my thought on the subject: The most logical thing for the GA to do is to protect NoHItter. It's most of the town's plan, and is the most likely candidate for a GA protection to make sure the plan goes along smoothly. Throw in WIFOM and we get four main possibilities:

Wolves hit NoHItter; GA protects NoHItter
NoHItter is saved, but wolves now know who the GA is. (See GA role PM.)
Advantageous for wolves; disadvantageous for GA.

Wolves hit NoHItter; GA protects someone else
NoHItter is lost, possibly without Insomniac results. Town can guess NoHItter is a town player.
Advantageous for wolves; advantageous for GA/town. I'd say town wins more, though.

Wolves hit someone else; GA protects NoHItter
Assured save of NoHItter, but not much happens. Maybe wolves get a lucky hit. Day 2 plan goes on untouched.
Advantageous for wolves; advantageous for GA/town. I'd say wolves win more, though.

Wolves hit someone else; GA protects someone else
Yeah, whatever. I doubt this would happen as there was no other strong suspect in the game (that I know of). Anyway...
No clue who wins more. Probably the wolves.

SO!

Looking at those options in reverse:

Wolves hit NoHItter
Wolves may discover who the GA is.
Wolves may prove (kinda) NoHItter isn't a wolf.
May not be a free kill.
Likely Insomniac kill (if NoHItter isn't protected)

Wolves hit someone else
Wolves don't prove (kinda) NoHItter isn't a wolf.
Probably a free kill.
No Insomniac kill (or at least a very very small chance).

GA protects NoHItter
May reveal identity to wolves.
No chance for wolves to prove (kinda) NoHItter isn't a wolf.
Day 2 plan commences.

GA protects someone else
Little chance of revealing identity to wolves.
Day 2 plan may not be able to work.
Chance for wolves to prove (kinda) NoHItter isn't a wolf.

Now ... GA prefers keeping their identity a secret to letting the day 2 plan continue. Wolves want to discover the GA, and they also would really benefit from a likely Insomniac kill.

So, to me, the choices are clear: GA shouldn't protect, or should protect someone else, and the wolves should kill NoHItter.

Hopefully I explained this well enough.

I'll continue this post later.

strager I just can't bring myself to read your whole post right now, but I will help eliminate any what-if's

Roleclaim: Coroner's Proxy

Oyashiro Beatrice was the guardian angel

NoHItter was the insomniac

vote jockeytiyan

Is NoHItter the Insomniac?
I don't know if he is or not. However, I have evidence "against" jockey, who was the target NoHItter specified.

Here's a log from 18 June:

08:02 <stragerLN> So are you wolf
08:02 <stragerLN> or not
08:03 <jockeytiyan> lol
08:03 <jockeytiyan> hold on...
08:03 <jockeytiyan> I'll try to enlighten you as to what my role is...
08:03 <jockeytiyan> without giving a smart clue to it
08:04 <jockeytiyan> It's pretty much possible that I'm GA since I don't give out that much clues
08:04 <jockeytiyan> but yeah, I'm totally not
08:05 <jockeytiyan> take that as a good clue. ;)
08:05 <stragerLN> that many clues*
08:05 <jockeytiyan> thanks. <3
08:05 <stragerLN> I don't trust you. Your grammar isn't squeaky clean.
08:05 <jockeytiyan> sorry. D:
08:05 <jockeytiyan> grammar really does a lot in your credibility. orz
08:06 <stragerLN> Just be a boss and be sure NoHItter doesn't die
08:06 <stragerLN> unless there's a roleblocker role
08:06 <jockeytiyan> there's no such thing
08:06 <jockeytiyan> except for a NK prevent
08:06 <jockeytiyan> which is the GA role
08:07 <jockeytiyan> hmmm...well
08:07 <jockeytiyan> if I can keep NoHItter
08:07 <jockeytiyan> I'd be able to manipulate him out of the thread and IRC
08:08 <stragerLN> ?
08:08 <stragerLN> What do you mean
08:08 <jockeytiyan> I've pretty much done that IRL
08:08 <stragerLN> If you are the GA, and you protect NoHItter
08:09 <jockeytiyan> so I can prolly do it here
08:09 <stragerLN> then it's guaranteed NoHItter will survive
08:09 <stragerLN> unless
08:09 <jockeytiyan> like telling me what he saw that night
08:09 <stragerLN> the ninja hits you as well
08:09 <jockeytiyan> I'm not GA, I'm telling you
08:09 <stragerLN> er hits NoHItter
08:09 <stragerLN> **
08:09 <stragerLN> read "if"
08:09 <jockeytiyan> ahhh
08:09 <jockeytiyan> sorry. >_<
08:09 <jockeytiyan> lol
08:10 <jockeytiyan> don't Night Roles happen at the same time?
08:10 <jockeytiyan> like...if the Ninja does a NK at some person who holds an aux role
08:10 <stragerLN> No.
08:10 <stragerLN> It's in order of whoever submits first.
08:10 <jockeytiyan> really?
08:11 <jockeytiyan> D:
08:11 <jockeytiyan> ahhhhh, ok thanks. ^^

And here's my information bait the following day:

21:19 <stragerLN> So
21:20 <stragerLN> When the GA protects successfully
21:20 <stragerLN> Killer (wolf/ninja) gets the GA's name
21:21 <jockeytiyan> I dunno
21:21 <jockeytiyan> you asked Ace for that?
21:21 <jockeytiyan> o_O
21:25 <stragerLN> No I didn't ask her
21:25 <jockeytiyan> it's in the role info's then?
21:26 <stragerLN> Ja
21:26 <jockeytiyan> oh
21:26 <stragerLN> So if you know the GA make sure they know
21:26 <jockeytiyan> thanks for the info. <3
21:26 <jockeytiyan> I will
21:26 <jockeytiyan> you'll be the first one to know. ;)
21:26 <stragerLN> hmm?
21:27 <jockeytiyan> well, that is if I actually get him to reveal himself
21:27 <jockeytiyan> the GA's gonna be in trouble if he'd go revealing himself to somebody
21:28 <stragerLN> hmm?
21:28 <stragerLN> If GA protection is successful
21:28 <jockeytiyan> o_O
21:28 <stragerLN> Then a wolf likely knows the GA
21:28 <jockeytiyan> orz
21:28 <jockeytiyan> oh...
21:28 <stragerLN> so the GA should be protecting himself all game
21:28 <jockeytiyan> Damn, I misunderstood that again. >_<
21:28 <stragerLN> lolfail
21:28 <jockeytiyan> ughhh...
21:29 <jockeytiyan> sorry, the 3 hour straight test was giving me the jeebies
[off-topic conversation]

In short:
jockey isn't the GA, even though he reverse-psychology'd or some shit about it.
jockey claimed to know the GA as a response to "are you wolf".

I'll pause mid-post because I read Two's post and WAT.

WAT.

:

You guys are freaking good, the noob is impressed

d'awwww

No way to escape then. And yeah, just so you know, NoHItter REALLY is the Insomniac.

Vote: jockeytiyan

I know it's pretty stupid but I really don't have that much time to pay attention to the thread. D:

School's workload is slowly piling up. Feel free to lynch me. ^^

Buhhh was going to type up a big post but since jockey's grave is getting deeper and deeper...

Vote: jockeytiyan

Vote: Jockeytiyan

Insomniac said he's a wolf, he role claimed wolf, so he's a wolf.

Kinda pissed off right now.
Back after I do some thinking.

Bandwagoning, but if someone says "I'm a wolf", there's not much reason not to.
Vote: jockeytiyan

Go online Ace, damn it...

DiamondCrash wrote:

Vote: JockeyTitan.

Fuck you, DiamondCrash...

I vote jockeytiyan for obvious reasons.

Forfeiting from the game.
Do whatever you want.

adam2046 wrote:

Forfeiting from the game.
Do whatever you want.

Hold on, you're forfeiting? Or was that directed at me?

jockeytiyan wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

Forfeiting from the game.
Do whatever you want.

Hold on, you're forfeiting? Or was that directed at me?

I wouldn't bold it and phrase it like that if it were directed at you.

fine...

So while I was away jockeytiyan and adam2406 both roleclaimed wolf?

From: NoHItter

strager may already know this since I pm'd him already, but here are the wolves according to jockey.
(I am not telling all of you, just your four)

Leader:
nardi

Wolves:
jockeytiyan
Chris
Rolled
Todesengal
Pasonia

It's amazing what bluffing jockey can do.



yeah, this is the real list of wolves. game over

Fuck you all.

;_;

Thanks for ruining the game, guys.

Waste of time, jockey & NoHItter should go kill themselves.

what the fuck seriously

What the fuck is this shit? Fuck you nohitter, just because you got killed you just decide to fucking fuck up the whole game, asshole. And to jockey, NEVER TELL SOMEONE THE FUCKING WOLF NAMES EVEN IF THEY TELL YOU "SURE DUDE I WON'T FUCKING TALK REALLY" Fuck, I thought adam quitting was bad enough. I really liked where this game was going but you just had to fucking ruin it all. Unless there's a big fucking sincere apology post coming my respect for you is completely gone. Not like you care anyway, you selfish prick.

Edited after I learned NoHItter is a fucking liar

it's not all on jockey, nohitter knew the list could be real (or maybe he knew for certain it was) and distributed it anyway

Two wrote:

it's not all on jockey, nohitter knew the list could be real (or maybe he knew for certain it was) and distributed it anyway

On that note, I claim full responsibility

Ace you may ban me from future games if you want too.

jockey only said it on a slip of the tongue after I said that dead players couldn't talk.

nardi11011 wrote:

Fuckedy fuck fuck fucking fuck fuck

I agree with this post.

jockey actually gave up days ago and was like 'fuck it lolololol I'm dead', so no, the responsibility is on both of you.

NoHItter wrote:

jockey only said it on a slip of the tongue after I said that dead players couldn't talk.

cause lists of people slip off your tongue

your signature is obnoxious btw

NoHItter wrote:

Not an apology.

Fuck you.

So are we holding another one?

and NoHItter and jockeytian you should apologize your ass off to Ace, look at all the things he did prior to the game to organize things and you fuck it up instantly.