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Rina Satou - BEAT IN! BEAT IN! [Taiko]

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Fuel
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Sunday, 22 November 2015 at 11:52:07 PM

Artist: Rina Satou
Title: BEAT IN! BEAT IN!
Source: とある魔術の禁書目録Ⅱ
Tags: toaru majutsu no index ii 御坂美琴 misaka mikoto
BPM: 170
Filesize: 4043kb
Play Time: 03:45
Difficulties Available:
  1. Futsuu (1.92 stars, 480 notes)
  2. Kantan (1.44 stars, 340 notes)
  3. Muzukashii (2.86 stars, 784 notes)
  4. Oni (3.84 stars, 1070 notes)
Download: Rina Satou - BEAT IN! BEAT IN!
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Kantan - Done
Futsuu - Done
Muzukashii - Done
Oni - Done

1366x768 bg n i c e
pls mod ;-; you'll have my eternal gratitude
all constructive criticism welcome :D

^_^ thanks to modders:
FlamingRok: first mod, pointed out a lot of things for my noob mapping T_T
tasuke912: fixed song setup fields and all the note timing issues in oni and helpful suggestions
snowball122: suggested better ways to map and make kantan/futsuu harder for a more even diff spread
TitansHD: consistency in patterns and some stuff i missed
playtime881: nicer patterns in oni because i can't map properly ._.
Chromoxx: better use of hitsounds and general advice
FlamingRok
Hello, from the priority modding queue! First off, I'd like to put out a disclaimer stating that anything that I say in here is not required to be changed in order to rank your map, and that the following are all suggestions. Also, seeing as this is the first mod, the post may stretch on for a while. With that being said, let's begin.

d=don
k=kat
D=large don
K=large kat

[Kantan]
00:13:827 (2) Change to k to match the note afterwards.
00:17:357 (6) Why is this a k? Either change to d or remove entirely, as there's not even a note here.
00:21:592 (11) (12) (13) Change this pattern from k d d to d k k to match the various pitches throughout.
00:38:533 (31) Wait, why is this d? You had this kind of thing mapped perfectly at 00:26:533 (19) (20) . Change the note to a k.
00:43:474 (34) Change to k to match the higher pitched voice.
00:45:592 (37) I personally believe that deleting this note would work, but your choice here.
00:54:063 (45) I also personally believe that this should be d, but again, your choice here.
00:58:298 (49) I'd recommend either changing this to a d, or 00:57:592 (48) into a k.
01:11:004 (60) (61) ctrl+g to better match the pitches.
01:18:769 (68) This doesn't need emphasis, change to d.
01:40:651 (5) Change to k to match the previous pattern.
01:45:592 (10) Your choice, but I'd personally change to k.
01:47:004 (11) Why does this have emphasis? Change to k.
01:51:945 (16) Change to k because of the same reason as 01:40:651 (5) .
01:54:063 (18) High pitch here, I'd recommend k.
01:56:886 (21) You have a good idea with this run, but change this to k, as the pitch increases here.
02:33:592 (57) This was done fine last time? Change to k.
03:08:180 (15) ctrl+g to help match pitches.
03:13:121 (20) High pitch, change to k.
03:15:945 (22) Still doesn't need emphasis, change to d.
03:19:474 (25) I think changing to d would suit best, it doesn't really have any lyric attached to it, but the last lyric that was pitched was low.

[Futsuu]
00:12:416 (1) (2) Notes are extremely high here, change to k.
00:21:592 (13) (14) (15) ctrl+g, as the high pitch occurs at the end, not the beginning.
00:43:474 (44) Change to k to match high pitch.
00:51:239 (54) I don't see why this is a k, change to d.
00:57:592 (61) (62) The high pitch happens onto the lyrics, but I think I see what you're doing here. Your choice, but I think matching the pitch would work better here (ctrl+g).
01:10:298 (77) (78) (79) Change from k k d to d d k, as the high note appears onto the lyrics, and in fact, not really any kind of notes appear onto the d's I've proposed.
01:18:769 (87) This still doesn't need emphasis, change to d.
01:23:004 (92) Change to k to match the voice.
01:23:533 Your choice here, but I think adding a k here won't hurt.
01:25:827 (95) (96) ctrl+g should match the pitches fine.
01:40:298 (5) (6) "naE" na is low, and E is high, so ctrl+g.
01:51:945 (21) k suits this better than d, listen to the pitches.
01:54:063 (23) (24) (25) d d k to k k d, as "tsu" is clearly lower than the other notes.
01:57:239 (29) k doesn't really suit this, as it doesn't even really land on a high pitch at all. Change to d.
02:29:357 (71) See 01:18:769 (87) .
02:33:592 (75) Definitely suits k better than d.
02:34:121 See 01:23:533
02:34:651 However, here lands right onto "na". Add a k here, as without it, I think it may be awkward, gameplay wise.
02:51:239 (3) (4) (5) The guitar goes high here, change all these to k.
02:53:357 (7) Change to k because ^.
02:54:769 (10) ^
03:15:945 (35) Unneeded emphasis found, change to d.
03:20:533 (42) (43) I feel like your intention here is to land the notes onto the lyrics, as they seem to fit pitch wise. Move (42) to 03:20:710 , and (43) to 03:21:239 .

[Muzukashii]
00:32:180 (96) Change to k to match pitch.
00:32:886 (98) ^
00:33:592 (100) ^
00:51:063 (158) I'd recommend removing this note, as it isn't onbeat, and it doesn't really hit anything.
00:52:651 (165) Your choice, but I think k works better here.
00:59:239 Add a d here.
00:59:474 ^
01:02:357 Your choice here, but I think adding a d helps with the flow of the rhythm.
01:02:533 However, this should hold a k, as it hits right on with the lyrics of the song.
01:10:651 Change to k to hit the high pitch.
01:10:827 (33) There is a pause in the lyrics here, and as such, you should remove this note to help reflect that.
01:20:180 (19) Change to k for the high pitch.
01:47:180 (49) d works better for this note.
02:39:063 (40) Move this note to where the spinner is, and delete the spinner.
02:47:710 (1) (2) (3) The guitar starts quite high, so change these to k.
02:48:592 Stopping your run where you stopped it feels very empty and awkward, add a d here.
02:48:769 ^
02:48:945 ^
02:54:769 (4) Move back to 02:54:592 to actually hit the last note on the guitar.
03:17:357 (24) Change to k to match pitch.

Overall, the mapset needs some work, but it's not bad! You seem to understand how Muzukashii difficulties should be more than Kantan and Futsuu (don't know about Oni, I'm not good at Taiko to judge that).
Topic Starter
Fuel
responded in red
i was really inconsistent ._.

mod
[Kantan]
00:13:827 (2) Change to k to match the note afterwards. changed
00:17:357 (6) Why is this a k? Either change to d or remove entirely, as there's not even a note here. changed to d
00:21:592 (11) (12) (13) Change this pattern from k d d to d k k to match the various pitches throughout. changed
00:38:533 (31) Wait, why is this d? You had this kind of thing mapped perfectly at 00:26:533 (19) (20) . Change the note to a k. wow that must've slipped my mind, thanks for pointing it out :) changed
00:43:474 (34) Change to k to match the higher pitched voice. changed
00:45:592 (37) I personally believe that deleting this note would work, but your choice here. left the note
00:54:063 (45) I also personally believe that this should be d, but again, your choice here. changed seeing as i should probably be trying to match the pitch. i think i was a bit inconsistent :(
00:58:298 (49) I'd recommend either changing this to a d, or 00:57:592 (48) into a k. changed 48 to k
01:11:004 (60) (61) ctrl+g to better match the pitches. sorry i'm pretty confused with what this does, no noticeable change occurred when i used ctrl+g :| ok lol having done that i used ctrl+g to flip 60-62 as i felt that makes more sense in relation to keeping consistent with the pitch
01:18:769 (68) This doesn't need emphasis, change to d. changed
01:40:651 (5) Change to k to match the previous pattern. changed
01:45:592 (10) Your choice, but I'd personally change to k. left as it is
01:47:004 (11) Why does this have emphasis? Change to k. changed, i think i used a few too many big notes :(
01:51:945 (16) Change to k because of the same reason as 01:40:651 (5) . changed
01:54:063 (18) High pitch here, I'd recommend k. changed
01:56:886 (21) You have a good idea with this run, but change this to k, as the pitch increases here. changed
02:33:592 (57) This was done fine last time? Change to k. changed, but the corresponding note in that first combo (i.e. 71) is actually a d but since the pitch goes up there i changed it to a k too. cos original rhythm was d d k whereas here its d d k k so now the first one is d k k to match
03:08:180 (15) ctrl+g to help match pitches. again, not sure what this does :| so i used ctrl+g here to flip 15-16 but on second thought i'll just change both to k's to match the same sections in the first two choruses
03:13:121 (20) High pitch, change to k. changed
03:15:945 (22) Still doesn't need emphasis, change to d. changed
03:19:474 (25) I think changing to d would suit best, it doesn't really have any lyric attached to it, but the last lyric that was pitched was low. changed to d

[Futsuu]
00:12:416 (1) (2) Notes are extremely high here, change to k. to me it sounds like the first high note starts after (1) so ill keep that a d changed (2) to k
00:21:592 (13) (14) (15) ctrl+g, as the high pitch occurs at the end, not the beginning. it looks like it reversed the rhythm here. OH RIGHT LOL, sorry i'm not very experienced with the editor :(
00:43:474 (44) Change to k to match high pitch. changed
00:51:239 (54) I don't see why this is a k, change to d. changed
00:57:592 (61) (62) The high pitch happens onto the lyrics, but I think I see what you're doing here. Your choice, but I think matching the pitch would work better here (ctrl+g). i'm not sure whether or not it's worth keeping it exactly the same as the kantan (i.e. k k k) cos that might make it boring, so i'll just go with your ctrl+g suggestion here
01:10:298 (77) (78) (79) Change from k k d to d d k, as the high note appears onto the lyrics, and in fact, not really any kind of notes appear onto the d's I've proposed. changed
01:18:769 (87) This still doesn't need emphasis, change to d. changed but free score :( loljks
01:23:004 (92) Change to k to match the voice. changed
01:23:533 Your choice here, but I think adding a k here won't hurt. i was going to leave it as is until i noticed how i actually did use 1/2 beat snap just before the second break (thought i was only using 1/1) so added a k
01:25:827 (95) (96) ctrl+g should match the pitches fine. changed
01:40:298 (5) (6) "naE" na is low, and E is high, so ctrl+g. changed
01:51:945 (21) k suits this better than d, listen to the pitches. changed
01:54:063 (23) (24) (25) d d k to k k d, as "tsu" is clearly lower than the other notes. changed
01:57:239 (29) k doesn't really suit this, as it doesn't even really land on a high pitch at all. Change to d. changed
02:29:357 (71) See 01:18:769 (87) . changed
02:33:592 (75) Definitely suits k better than d. changed
02:34:121 See 01:23:533 added
02:34:651 However, here lands right onto "na". Add a k here, as without it, I think it may be awkward, gameplay wise. changed
02:51:239 (3) (4) (5) The guitar goes high here, change all these to k. changed
02:53:357 (7) Change to k because ^. changed
02:54:769 (10) ^ imo since the pitch goes up and down i prefer this as d
03:15:945 (35) Unneeded emphasis found, change to d. changed
03:20:533 (42) (43) I feel like your intention here is to land the notes onto the lyrics, as they seem to fit pitch wise. Move (42) to 03:20:710 , and (43) to 03:21:239 . changed

[Muzukashii]
00:32:180 (96) Change to k to match pitch. changed
00:32:886 (98) ^ changed
00:33:592 (100) ^ changed
00:51:063 (158) I'd recommend removing this note, as it isn't onbeat, and it doesn't really hit anything. changed
00:52:651 (165) Your choice, but I think k works better here. left as it is
00:59:239 Add a d here. changed
00:59:474 ^ don't really want to use 1/3 spacing in muzu :| i sorta left that for the oni
01:02:357 Your choice here, but I think adding a d helps with the flow of the rhythm. changed
01:02:533 However, this should hold a k, as it hits right on with the lyrics of the song. changed
01:10:651 Change to k to hit the high pitch. changed
01:10:827 (33) There is a pause in the lyrics here, and as such, you should remove this note to help reflect that. changed
01:20:180 (19) Change to k for the high pitch. changed
01:47:180 (49) d works better for this note. changed
02:39:063 (40) Move this note to where the spinner is, and delete the spinner. changed
02:47:710 (1) (2) (3) The guitar starts quite high, so change these to k. changed
02:48:592 Stopping your run where you stopped it feels very empty and awkward, add a d here. changed
02:48:769 ^ changed
02:48:945 ^ changed
02:54:769 (4) Move back to 02:54:592 to actually hit the last note on the guitar.changed
03:17:357 (24) Change to k to match pitch. changed

thanks a lot for the mod!
tasuke912
Hi. from my queue.
[ General]
  1. Change the Artist to "佐藤利奈"
  2. Change the source to "とある魔術の禁書目録Ⅱ" and, Move the "toaru majutsu no ii" to tags.
  3. Add "御坂美琴 misaka mikoto" to tags.
  4. Remove the "rina satou" from tags.
[ Oni]
  1. 00:10:827 add note here. Listen to the sound of the kick.
  2. 00:13:121 (43,45) These Finish are not needed.
  3. 00:24:945、00:26:004 add note. - Why don't you put notes? I hear sound here.
  4. 00:31:474 (114) Remove the Finish.
  5. 00:41:710 I think this slider is not good. Put normal notes, if possible.
  6. 00:42:769 (159,160,161) The timing of these notes are not accrate. fix.
  7. 00:47:357 Is this Finish really necessary?
  8. 00:59:004 Try this.
  9. 01:00:416 Try this. I think this spinner doesn't fit sound. (252 is Finish note.)
  10. 01:27:239 (119,120,121) The timing of these notes are not accrate. You must fix.
  11. 01:53:357 (1,2,3) ^ You must fix. These sound is dotted eighth note.
  12. 02:05:710 (60) Normal note is better.
  13. 02:09:592 same as 00:59:004
  14. 02:12:416 You must fix. The timing of these notes are not accrate.
  15. 02:23:710 ^ fix.
  16. 02:57:592 same as 01:00:416
  17. 03:00:416 (10,11,12,13,14,15) See above.
  18. 03:10:298 See above.
Good luck. 8-)
Topic Starter
Fuel
responded in red
i just realised how badly i messed up the timing ._.

mod
[General]
Change the Artist to "佐藤利奈"
Change the source to "とある魔術の禁書目録Ⅱ" and, Move the "toaru majutsu no ii" to tags.
Add "御坂美琴 misaka mikoto" to tags.
Remove the "rina satou" from tags.

all changed

[Oni]
00:10:827 add note here. Listen to the sound of the kick. added a d
00:13:121 (43,45) These Finish are not needed. changed (i'm a noob, always thought finisher notes were for free score ._. Orz)
00:24:945、00:26:004 add note. - Why don't you put notes? I hear sound here. 00:24:945 added d 00:26:004 added k
00:31:474 (114) Remove the Finish. changed
00:41:710 I think this slider is not good. Put normal notes, if possible. imo there wasn't much to work with here, but i'll go with your suggestion and add d's in with the beat
00:42:769 (159,160,161) The timing of these notes are not accrate. fix. thanks for pointing that out ^_^ changed
00:47:357 Is this Finish really necessary? it probably isn't ._. changed
00:59:004 Try this. i want to follow the vocals too so i'll add a d d k in between this and the next suggestion
01:00:416 Try this. I think this spinner doesn't fit sound. (252 is Finish note.) changed, i like it. except i think 259 should be k too as the pitch doesn't really change
01:27:239 (119,120,121) The timing of these notes are not accrate. You must fix. thank you ^_^ changed
01:53:357 (1,2,3) ^ You must fix. These sound is dotted eighth note. changed
02:05:710 (60) Normal note is better. just followed the beat here again
02:09:592 same as 00:59:004 changed, extended the stream right before it just slightly to match up with the previous section as well
02:12:416 You must fix. The timing of these notes are not accrate. changed
02:23:710 ^ fix. changed
02:57:592 same as 01:00:416 changed
03:00:416 (10,11,12,13,14,15) See above. changed
03:10:298 See above. changed

thanks a lot with helping to get the timing of notes right ^_^

thanks a lot for the mod!
snowball112
Hey, from m4m.
General
- You should try to find a background with size 1366x768 as this is the preferred size.

- You should try to end your difficulties similarly. It would look much better if you map all diffs to end at the same spot for example at the point corresponding to the end of the oni difficulty.
Kantan and Futsuu
Since I feel that there are similar issues for these two difficulties, I'll just put these together.

- set SV in Kantan and Futsuu to 1.2 because 1.4 is too high.

- All your sliders in these diff do not play well in my opinion. This is because there is no drumroll or similar in the music for example at 01:16:651 (67) that would justify using a slider. In my opinion places like 00:57:592 would be more appropriate if you choose to use them, but my suggestion would be to not use them at all.


Kantan
- I feel like 00:12:416 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) would play out better as something like k kdk ddk kdk. This is because you have some finish sounds at for example 00:15:239 (4) and 00:20:886 (10) that would justify using a k and 00:19:474 (8) because of the pitch of the instrument.

- This difficulty almost feels a bit too easy even for a kantan since you barely have any 1/1 note patterns. Maybe increase note density just a little bit during the kiai times using short and simple(3-5 note) 1/1 patterns? This could work well in my opinion. Otherwise you could also add some notes in parts that feel a little too empty, like for example between 00:27:239 (20,21). You have a lot going on in terms of instruments here, so I think it would be good to map out some of these sounds, for example start a 1/1 spaced ddd pattern on 00:27:945.

- I think it would be better to ctrl+g 00:26:533 (19,20) for the instrument sound and add some notes between here and 00:32:180 (23,24) as this part seems a bit too empty.

- Shouldn't 00:32:180 (23) be a k for the instrument sound? Similar with 00:37:827 (30,31) and 00:40:651 (32,33).
- Same as before, this sounds better as a k for the instrument sound.

- I feel 00:49:121 (40,41,42,43) would be better as k kdk or D kdk to better suit the instrument sounds. You have a finish sound in the music on the first note of this pattern and on the first and last note of the 3-note pattern of 00:50:533 (41,42,43) and yet you have this mapped as kdk.

- You can remove the whistle on 00:59:004 (50) as the K note will trigger with finish + clap only.

- I think it would be good to ctrl+g 01:24:416 (72,73) for the instrument sounds.

- I think you could make 01:28:651 (76) a K for emphasis here and a nice finish before the break time.
These are a few examples, I'll just move on to Futsuu for now and sum everything up for these diffs after that.

Futsuu

- Similar to Kantan, you have mapped a large number of notes which conflict with the instrument sounds, for example I feel like 00:51:945 (55,56) should be k instead of d and 00:17:357 (7,8,9) ddk instead of kdd.

- Why is 01:47:004 (15) a finish. This does not sound right at all.

Summary

- Some of the sounds you have mapped conflict with the instruments in the music across both diffs in my opinion (see the examples for kantan, applies throughout Kantan and Futsuu though), or at least it feels to me that way. I'm not exactly clear on what you're following sometimes. For example within 03:01:827 (15,16,17,18) in Futsuu, the sounds which would justify use of k in my opinion are on the first and last note, which is the opposite of what you have currently. In my opinion k is better for stronger/finish/higher pitch sounds like these for this song.

- In my opinion you could make both diffs a bit harder by including some more 1/1 notes in both and even a little bit of short 1/2 patterns within Futsuu. This is because both of these feel a bit too easy but also because it would help to make a nicer difficulty spread from Futsuu to Muzukashii. You don't have 1/2 spaced patterns in Futsuu as far as I have seen, whereas you use longer 1/2 patterns and also a lot of 1/4 in muzukashii.
Muzukashii and Oni
- You map to the vocals a lot which takes away from the flow of your map in my opinion. An example of this would be the spinners in the kiai times across both diffs (please remove these, they do not play well) as well as stuff like 02:12:239 (91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99) in the Oni. You have a lot going on in the instruments and these would play out better in my opinion as they would be more consistent in the spacing.

- Please remove things like the slider 03:13:121 (15) in the Muzukashii and 03:28:651 (166) in the Oni. These do not fit well in my opinion since there is no real drumroll. Using single notes just sounds much better in my opinion.

- You use a lot of more complex triples for a muzu. I think it would be good to maybe use monotonous triples within longer patterns, for example 03:00:945 (11,12,13) as a k-triplet.

- The triplet 01:12:769 (319,320,321) in the oni does not fit well. Others like 01:13:298 (323,324,325) that start on the first red tick after the large white one sound much better because this is also in the music.

- Just overall, I think the map will improve a lot if you map instruments more / more consistently in terms of structure of patterns and hitsounds.

Sorry for the kind of lazy mod, but I hope it helps. Good luck with your map ^^

Also, here's a Taiko guide that I find very useful, if you havn't seen this one yet it's really worth having a look at.

Edit: 100th post hype
Topic Starter
Fuel
thanks for the mod ^_^

responded in red

mod
General
- You should try to find a background with size 1366x768 as this is the preferred size. according to wiki the bg is supposed to be 800x600 or less ._.

- You should try to end your difficulties similarly. It would look much better if you map all diffs to end at the same spot for example at the point corresponding to the end of the oni difficulty. ok, will map to the end

for kantan and futsuu i'll probably use a slider for that drumroll at the end, followed by same spinner as in oni

Kantan and Futsuu
Since I feel that there are similar issues for these two difficulties, I'll just put these together.

- set SV in Kantan and Futsuu to 1.2 because 1.4 is too high. ok thanks ^_^

- All your sliders in these diff do not play well in my opinion. This is because there is no drumroll or similar in the music for example at 01:16:651 (67) that would justify using a slider. In my opinion places like 00:57:592 would be more appropriate if you choose to use them, but my suggestion would be to not use them at all. replaced them with 1/1 5 note patterns except for the one at 02:56:180 in kantan


Kantan
- I feel like 00:12:416 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) would play out better as something like k kdk ddk kdk. This is because you have some finish sounds at for example 00:15:239 (4) and 00:20:886 (10) that would justify using a k and 00:19:474 (8) because of the pitch of the instrument. i get what you mean now, but imo if 8 is a k then 10 would sound more like a d (to me) so ill go with that. i think 4 is fine as it is for now

- This difficulty almost feels a bit too easy even for a kantan since you barely have any 1/1 note patterns. Maybe increase note density just a little bit during the kiai times using short and simple(3-5 note) 1/1 patterns? This could work well in my opinion. Otherwise you could also add some notes in parts that feel a little too empty, like for example between 00:27:239 (20,21). You have a lot going on in terms of instruments here, so I think it would be good to map out some of these sounds, for example start a 1/1 spaced ddd pattern on 00:27:945. ok, increased note density in these sections

- I think it would be better to ctrl+g 00:26:533 (19,20) for the instrument sound and add some notes between here and 00:32:180 (23,24) as this part seems a bit too empty. ok

- Shouldn't 00:32:180 (23) be a k for the instrument sound? Similar with 00:37:827 (30,31) and 00:40:651 (32,33). agree with 23 and 32, a bit dubious about 30, i still think a d is ok there, i'll try it though and see what other people think about it
- Same as before, this sounds better as a k for the instrument sound.

- I feel 00:49:121 (40,41,42,43) would be better as k kdk or D kdk to better suit the instrument sounds. You have a finish sound in the music on the first note of this pattern and on the first and last note of the 3-note pattern of 00:50:533 (41,42,43) and yet you have this mapped as kdk. made it a 5-note kdkdk, it actually feels better this way too

- You can remove the whistle on 00:59:004 (50) as the K note will trigger with finish + clap only. thanks for pointing that out, that wasn't intentional ._.

- I think it would be good to ctrl+g 01:24:416 (72,73) for the instrument sounds. definitely agree here o.o what was i doing

- I think you could make 01:28:651 (76) a K for emphasis here and a nice finish before the break time. ok
These are a few examples, I'll just move on to Futsuu for now and sum everything up for these diffs after that.

Futsuu

- Similar to Kantan, you have mapped a large number of notes which conflict with the instrument sounds, for example I feel like 00:51:945 (55,56) should be k instead of d and 00:17:357 (7,8,9) ddk instead of kdd. 00:16:559 5 note changed to kkddd, 55 to k, but i don't really think k suits 56

- Why is 01:47:004 (15) a finish. This does not sound right at all. agreed, changed

Summary

- Some of the sounds you have mapped conflict with the instruments in the music across both diffs in my opinion (see the examples for kantan, applies throughout Kantan and Futsuu though), or at least it feels to me that way. I'm not exactly clear on what you're following sometimes. For example within 03:01:827 (15,16,17,18) in Futsuu, the sounds which would justify use of k in my opinion are on the first and last note, which is the opposite of what you have currently. In my opinion k is better for stronger/finish/higher pitch sounds like these for this song. probably just me tryingfailing to map to vocals lol, changed 18 to k as that does sound a lot better

- In my opinion you could make both diffs a bit harder by including some more 1/1 notes in both and even a little bit of short 1/2 patterns within Futsuu. This is because both of these feel a bit too easy but also because it would help to make a nicer difficulty spread from Futsuu to Muzukashii. You don't have 1/2 spaced patterns in Futsuu as far as I have seen, whereas you use longer 1/2 patterns and also a lot of 1/4 in muzukashii. yeah i'll definitely work on making the gap between futsuu and muzu smaller, probably increase note density, follow the instrumental beat a bit more, thanks for feedback ^_^

Muzukashii and Oni on my to-do list
- You map to the vocals a lot which takes away from the flow of your map in my opinion. An example of this would be the spinners in the kiai times across both diffs (please remove these, they do not play well) as well as stuff like 02:12:239 (91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99) in the Oni. You have a lot going on in the instruments and these would play out better in my opinion as they would be more consistent in the spacing.

- Please remove things like the slider 03:13:121 (15) in the Muzukashii and 03:28:651 (166) in the Oni. These do not fit well in my opinion since there is no real drumroll. Using single notes just sounds much better in my opinion.

- You use a lot of more complex triples for a muzu. I think it would be good to maybe use monotonous triples within longer patterns, for example 03:00:945 (11,12,13) as a k-triplet.

- The triplet 01:12:769 (319,320,321) in the oni does not fit well. Others like 01:13:298 (323,324,325) that start on the first red tick after the large white one sound much better because this is also in the music.

- Just overall, I think the map will improve a lot if you map instruments more / more consistently in terms of structure of patterns and hitsounds. first time map Orz i'll keep this in mind, thanks for the feedback ^_^
simplified muzu triples and removed assorted sliders and spinners, in retrospect they werent really needed. thanks again :D
kouzuki_karen

L1m3s wrote:

according to wiki the bg is supposed to be 800x600 or less ._.
this was in 2007, if you look at every beatmap ranked in the past 2-3 years they all have bgs which are either 1024x768 or 1366x768

or you can ask a BN

no kds pls
Topic Starter
Fuel
thanks for the info, i'll find a 1366x768 bg and switch it over if necessary
2001
Herrow. Everything I say on here will either be my opinion or stuff that will be better with the music. and it's up to you if you REALLY want to change it. When I say stuff like "Change to d", I mean change it so it goes better with the music. Again, changing it is your preference.

Kantan
First off I would like to say that your Kantan should only really have notes on the 1/1 snap divisor (white lines). You have too many notes on the 1/2 snap divisor (red lines) at the start of the song. That also makes it really inconsistent because you have 1/2 notes at the beginning of the song but not anywhere else? You can add 1/2 notes in Futsuu but Kantan just needs to be nice and simple. If you really want to, keep a few in, but make sure that the 1/2 notes are spread apart. All of the 1/2's you put into the Kantan song are really good but they can be also played off with just 1/1's, if you know what I mean.

00:17:710 (12) - Change to k
00:29:004 (35) - Add d
00:29:886 (38) - Remove d
00:31:121 (41,42) - Delete, because no real music or singing to back it up. Plus, there needs to be a small pause before the next notes.
00:31:827 (41) - Add d
00:32:710 (44) - Remove k
00:34:298 (47) - Change to k
00:35:533 (50) - Remove d
00:38:357 (57) - Remove d
00:40:121 (59) - Remove d
00:41:357 (61) - Change to k. Goes well with the singing.
00:42:769 (65) - Change to k. " "
00:48:945 (75) - Remove d
01:21:239 (123) - Change to k
01:38:533 (3) - Change to d
01:50:886 (24) - Add d
02:03:239 (45) - Change to k
02:04:298 (47) - Add d
02:06:769 (50) - Change to k
02:21:592 (73) - This is all preference but maybe add a finish to that k to make it a K.
02:26:180 (80) - Add d. Seems a bit empty.
02:33:945 (94) - Add d maybe?
02:36:416 (97) - Change to k
02:50:886 (2) - Remove d
02:51:592 (3) - Change to k?
03:08:180 (27) - Either way is fine but if you want to change that to k that will be fine aswell.
03:21:592 (49) - Does NOT go well with the song. Remove and move it to 03:21:239 (49) - which is a much better option.
03:42:063 (1) - Move spinner to 03:41:886 (1) -

That's all for Kantan.

Futsuu
00:21:416 (18) - Add d. I don't know if there are more of these around the song so feel free to add them in but not too many.
00:26:886 (31) - Add d
00:28:298 (35) - Remove d
00:30:416 (40) - Change to d. Goes better with the music.
00:31:121 (42) - Remove d
00:31:474 (42) - Add d
00:50:886 (84) - Change to k if you want to.
00:56:180 (97) - Change to k
01:21:592 (157) - Change to k
01:24:063 (162) - Change to k
01:24:416 (163) - Change to d
01:25:474 (166) - Change to k
01:41:357 (12) - If you want to, change to d.
01:42:063 (13) - Again, if you want to, change to k.
01:51:239 (31) - Change to k
02:22:298 (101) - Maybe add a finish?
02:30:769 (120) - Change to k?
Rest is pretty good.

Muzukashii
This one is really good.
00:28:827 (89) - Maybe add a d here?
00:29:180 (91) - And here.
01:17:357 (17) - Change from D to K
01:21:592 (32) - Not necessary to put in the finisher.
01:25:474 (43) - Change to k
03:34:916 (102) - You should probably change this to a d. The reason for this is because in Muzu, you should only really have ddd, kkk, ddk, kkd, and maybe an occasional dkd or kdk. Most people who try the map first time will be surprised that there's a hard dkk in there which they haven't learnt yet.

Oni
Oni in my opinion is really good as well. Just a few note replacements.
00:55:474 (268) - Change to k
02:12:680 (101,102,103,104,105,106,107) - Wow wait... In the first chorus, you had those double notes which went well with the music. Now in this chorus you changed it up a tiny bit? And then in the 3rd chorus you had to back to the first chorus. Re-look at 01:01:033 (305,306,307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321) - and then do it exactly like that for the second chorus.
02:20:886 (144) - Change to k
02:22:916 (151,152) - That's really good
02:47:357 (15) - Change to k
03:06:239 (68,69) - Change both to k
03:39:769 (252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260) - You had finishers on these on the Muzukashii difficulty. Add them on if you want to, but I don't know if that's an excessive amount of finishers.

Overall, it's really good but some of the notes need to be replaced and changed. Also, try and be consistent on some patterns. Good luck with it being ranked!
Topic Starter
Fuel
responded in red thx

TitansHD wrote:

Herrow. Everything I say on here will either be my opinion or stuff that will be better with the music. and it's up to you if you REALLY want to change it. When I say stuff like "Change to d", I mean change it so it goes better with the music. Again, changing it is your preference.

Kantan
First off I would like to say that your Kantan should only really have notes on the 1/1 snap divisor (white lines). You have too many notes on the 1/2 snap divisor (red lines) at the start of the song. That also makes it really inconsistent because you have 1/2 notes at the beginning of the song but not anywhere else? You can add 1/2 notes in Futsuu but Kantan just needs to be nice and simple. If you really want to, keep a few in, but make sure that the 1/2 notes are spread apart. All of the 1/2's you put into the Kantan song are really good but they can be also played off with just 1/1's, if you know what I mean.

removed 1/2 T_T

00:17:710 (12) - Change to k dont see the need for this
00:29:004 (35) - Add d yep
00:29:886 (38) - Remove d yep
00:31:121 (41,42) - Delete, because no real music or singing to back it up. Plus, there needs to be a small pause before the next notes. yep
00:31:827 (41) - Add d ok
00:32:710 (44) - Remove k yep
00:34:298 (47) - Change to k i think its fine
00:35:533 (50) - Remove d yep
00:38:357 (57) - Remove d yep
00:40:121 (59) - Remove d yep
00:41:357 (61) - Change to k. Goes well with the singing. ok
00:42:769 (65) - Change to k. " " i think this is ok
00:48:945 (75) - Remove d yep
01:21:239 (123) - Change to k yep
01:38:533 (3) - Change to d i think its fine
01:50:886 (24) - Add d yep
02:03:239 (45) - Change to k yep
02:04:298 (47) - Add d ok
02:06:769 (50) - Change to k i think its ok
02:21:592 (73) - This is all preference but maybe add a finish to that k to make it a K. i think ill leave finishers out of this kantan for now
02:26:180 (80) - Add d. Seems a bit empty. true. added
02:33:945 (94) - Add d maybe? sounds ok, but also added one a few beats later or it sounds a bit... empty or smth
02:36:416 (97) - Change to k 02:36:416 already has a k. the d next to it sounds weird as k so i'll leave it
02:50:886 (2) - Remove d yep
02:51:592 (3) - Change to k? id be more inclined to change 02:51:945 (4) to k if anything, but for now ill leave it as it is
03:08:180 (27) - Either way is fine but if you want to change that to k that will be fine aswell. yeah that note is ok as both. probs just leave as a d for now
03:21:592 (49) - Does NOT go well with the song. Remove and move it to 03:21:239 (49) - which is a much better option. i think when i revived this map i just went and got rid of all the sliders that were sorta useless and this was probably one, already changed it to 1/1 notes.
03:42:063 (1) - Move spinner to 03:41:886 (1) - wow im deaf or smth lol, thx for pointing this one out. extended both this and futsuu slider by one red tick to match the muzu and oni
most of the places where i chose to leave the notes are where i feel the note is already fine with regards to vocals
That's all for Kantan.

Futsuu
00:21:416 (18) - Add d. I don't know if there are more of these around the song so feel free to add them in but not too many. nice suggestion but i think i'll leave it for now, ill add these in if i need to up the difficulty/density a little at some point
00:26:886 (31) - Add d yep
00:28:298 (35) - Remove d yep
00:30:416 (40) - Change to d. Goes better with the music. i like the k with the vocals
00:31:121 (42) - Remove d yep
00:31:474 (42) - Add d yep
00:50:886 (84) - Change to k if you want to. not against it but ill try and keep futsuu a bit simpler for now. jks i just realised i had some 5 note patterns in 1/2 (mfw havent looked at editor for 3 months) ok ill go with this. sounds fine too
00:56:180 (97) - Change to k yep
01:21:592 (157) - Change to k not sure why i put a d there ._. changed
01:24:063 (162) - Change to k i like it as it is
01:24:416 (163) - Change to d i like this pattern as it is but...
01:25:474 (166) - Change to k i see where ur coming from but im more inclined to change the next note to k. sounds better to me
01:41:357 (12) - If you want to, change to d. yep
01:42:063 (13) - Again, if you want to, change to k. the d is fine here
01:51:239 (31) - Change to k i think its ok
02:22:298 (101) - Maybe add a finish? yep
02:30:769 (120) - Change to k? yep
Rest is pretty good.

Muzukashii
This one is really good.
00:28:827 (89) - Maybe add a d here?
00:29:180 (91) - And here. thought it sounded a bit odd with only the one above added but then i saw this one, sounds good to me. added both
01:17:357 (17) - Change from D to K silly me. done
01:21:592 (32) - Not necessary to put in the finisher. ok
01:25:474 (43) - Change to k im more inclined to changing 44 to k, cos of vocals
03:34:916 (102) - You should probably change this to a d. The reason for this is because in Muzu, you should only really have ddd, kkk, ddk, kkd, and maybe an occasional dkd or kdk. Most people who try the map first time will be surprised that there's a hard dkk in there which they haven't learnt yet. changed

Oni
Oni in my opinion is really good as well. Just a few note replacements.
00:55:474 (268) - Change to k i was trying to keep to the vocals, dont really see the need for this
02:12:680 (101,102,103,104,105,106,107) - Wow wait... In the first chorus, you had those double notes which went well with the music. Now in this chorus you changed it up a tiny bit? And then in the 3rd chorus you had to back to the first chorus. Re-look at 01:01:033 (305,306,307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321) - and then do it exactly like that for the second chorus.oh yeah i was gonna change that back to the double notes thing but i must've forgotten -.- thx
02:20:886 (144) - Change to k done
02:22:916 (151,152) - That's really good tasuke pro >.<
02:47:357 (15) - Change to k yep
03:06:239 (68,69) - Change both to k not really sure about this one. ill change 69 to k for now
03:39:769 (252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260) - You had finishers on these on the Muzukashii difficulty. Add them on if you want to, but I don't know if that's an excessive amount of finishers. ok, gonna keep it consistent so ill add them. i can remove later if needed


Overall, it's really good but some of the notes need to be replaced and changed. Also, try and be consistent on some patterns. Good luck with it being ranked!
thanks for the mod :D
2001

L1m3s wrote:

thanks for the mod :D
No problem.
Aaron Hagger
Mod, as requested. (Anything with a question mark at the end is hinted at more as optional)
Oni
  1. Move 00:16:651 (62) - to 00:16:827. It makes for a nicer rhythm.
  2. {OPTIONAL} 00:17:886 (68) - Make this blue?
  3. {OPTIONAL} 00:21:592 (86) - Make this blue?
  4. 00:24:063 (99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108) - This part seems a bit bland, maybe vary this stream a bit? Something like this works much better: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/Y29zCjh.png
  5. 00:26:357 (115,116,117,118,119,120) - This part seems a bit bland too, maybe make 1 or 2 of these blue? I recommend 00:26:886 (118) -
  6. 00:28:651 (126) - I think making this blue makes this section sound much better.
  7. 00:34:827 (153) - Possibly delete this?
  8. 00:42:063 (192,193) - Maybe swap these? (The pattern sounds fine the way it is anyway)
  9. 01:22:916 (433,434) - Swap these?
  10. 01:25:474 (445,446,447) - Maybe change this from b - b - r to rrrrr?
  11. 01:28:298 (460) - Could be blue, but works fine as red.
  12. 01:30:063 --> 01:34:298 - Taiko doesn't usually have breaks like this in the middle of nowhere, but I have no problem with it.
  13. 01:42:063 (42) - Move this to 01:42:239 maybe?
  14. 02:05:004 (59) - There isn't much of a beat here, maybe delete this?
  15. 02:40:651 --> 02:44:886 - Same thing here with the break. Taiko maps usually don't have more than one break at most, so if you REALLY need to keep one, this one's the one.
  16. 02:50:357 (38) - Make this red?
  17. 03:13:474 (101) - Move this to 03:12:945 ?
  18. 03:35:886 (220,221) - Make these both blue?
    03:37:121 (226,227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249) - Maybe vary this stream off of the rrrrbbbb pattern? (the second half is usually the best spot to change streams)
  19. 03:39:239 (250,251) - These 2 work better as finish notes, but make sense as to why they are small.
  20. 03:42:063 (1) - This slider sounds better when it ends at 03:48:416 IMO.
Your choruses go a bit overboard with the double notes (https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/2C9Cy2t.png), and they can feel a bit awkward to play. Try changing some of them up a bit.
Could use a better mp3, but the current one works OK.
Topic Starter
Fuel
responded in red thx
how2map ._.

playtime881 wrote:

Mod, as requested. (Anything with a question mark at the end is hinted at more as optional)
Oni
  1. Move 00:16:651 (62) - to 00:16:827. It makes for a nicer rhythm. hey this sounds pretty good. changed
  2. {OPTIONAL} 00:17:886 (68) - Make this blue? dont see the need for emphasis
  3. {OPTIONAL} 00:21:592 (86) - Make this blue? bit iffy, i don't feel like there's enough happening there to warrant changing to blue
  4. 00:24:063 (99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108) - This part seems a bit bland, maybe vary this stream a bit? Something like this works much better: https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/Y29zCjh.png changed to kddd...dk
  5. 00:26:357 (115,116,117,118,119,120) - This part seems a bit bland too, maybe make 1 or 2 of these blue? I recommend 00:26:886 (118) - changed the last d to k cos i dont feel the other notes (in vocals) have that much emphasis
  6. 00:28:651 (126) - I think making this blue makes this section sound much better. same as above
  7. 00:34:827 (153) - Possibly delete this? yep, fits better
  8. 00:42:063 (192,193) - Maybe swap these? (The pattern sounds fine the way it is anyway) yep changed
  9. 01:22:916 (433,434) - Swap these? changed, this sounds better
  10. 01:25:474 (445,446,447) - Maybe change this from b - b - r to rrrrr? i like it how it is
  11. 01:28:298 (460) - Could be blue, but works fine as red. left it as it is
  12. 01:30:063 --> 01:34:298 - Taiko doesn't usually have breaks like this in the middle of nowhere, but I have no problem with it. at the time i didn't know how2map ._. i'll fill some notes in the breaks
  13. 01:42:063 (42) - Move this to 01:42:239 maybe? sounds good, changed
  14. 02:05:004 (59) - There isn't much of a beat here, maybe delete this? changed
  15. 02:40:651 --> 02:44:886 - Same thing here with the break. Taiko maps usually don't have more than one break at most, so if you REALLY need to keep one, this one's the one. ;-;
  16. 02:50:357 (38) - Make this red? i think it's fine atm
  17. 03:13:474 (101) - Move this to 03:12:945 ? i think its fine atm
  18. 03:35:886 (220,221) - Make these both blue? don't see the need for emphasis
    03:37:121 (226,227,228,229,230,231,232,233,234,235,236,237,238,239,240,241,242,243,244,245,246,247,248,249) - Maybe vary this stream off of the rrrrbbbb pattern? (the second half is usually the best spot to change streams) split up the stream near the end
  19. 03:39:239 (250,251) - These 2 work better as finish notes, but make sense as to why they are small. :)
  20. 03:42:063 (1) - This slider sounds better when it ends at 03:48:416 IMO.inb4 augoeides spinner
Your choruses go a bit overboard with the double notes (https://imgur-archive.ppy.sh/2C9Cy2t.png), and they can feel a bit awkward to play. Try changing some of them up a bit. i like them ;-;
Could use a better mp3, but the current one works OK. where to find animu music ;-;
thanks for the mod :D
Chromoxx
Hey, here's my M4M! I'll be modding Muzukashii and Oni but i also have some general stuff to say :D

General
Change SV to 1.4 in Futsuu!

Muzukashii
00:15:592 (30) - k
00:22:651 (59,60,61,62) - change to d kkd
00:28:298 (75) - k
00:31:827 (88) - maybe k
00:43:121 (130) - move to 00:43:033 -
00:52:651 (159) - k
00:59:357 (184) - move to 00:59:269 -
00:59:533 - add d
01:06:769 (20) - move to 01:06:592 -
01:39:239 (18) - k
01:50:533 (63,64) - ctrl G
02:19:121 (29) - k
02:27:592 (15) - k
03:05:710 (49) - move to 03:05:886 -
03:06:063 (50) - delete
03:22:298 (45) - k
maybe try to add more 1/4 in the kiai, there is more 1/4 in calm parts than in the kiai, which is kinda weird

Oni
00:09:239 (15) - k
00:20:004 (74) - k
00:22:474 (87) - delete
00:22:651 (88) - d
00:22:739 (89) - move to 00:22:916 -
00:45:239 (203) - k
00:52:474 (245) - k
00:53:357 (249) - k
00:53:533 (250,252,253) - delete, add k, add k
00:55:474 (260) - k
01:00:063 (291) - k
01:08:533 (340) - k
01:10:651 (350) - k
01:14:886 (379,380) - ctrl G
01:19:474 (398) - k
01:22:298 (407) - k
01:28:651 (439) - k
01:33:592 (10) - k
01:46:474 (76) - k
01:48:416 (87) - or 01:48:063 (83) - k
01:54:592 (8) - k
01:56:004 (14,15,16) - switch colors
02:03:945 (53) - k
02:04:298 (54,55) - ctrl G
02:22:651 (151,152,153) - change colors
02:25:210 (7,8) - d, move 02:25:210 (7) - to02:26:357 (15) -
02:25:827 (12,13,14) - change colors
02:30:769 (33) - k
02:32:886 (44) - k
02:38:886 (77) - k
03:01:121 (42) - k
03:13:474 (101) - k
03:14:357 (106) - k
03:19:474 (131) - k
03:23:004 (148) - k
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there are way too many spots here which are just filled with d's..... a quick rule of thumb for you, which will spare people a lot of time in the future: never use more than 5 d's in a row in a pattern that isn't only 1/2 or 1/4. If you look and see there are 5 d's on white ticks in a row then something is probably wrong and you should change one of them to k, otherwise the pattern is extremely boring. Please keep this in mind when mapping in the future. Of course there are exceptions to this rule but it will mostly apply, so better be safe than sorry.
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Topic Starter
Fuel
Responded in red.
Hey, here's my M4M! I'll be modding Muzukashii and Oni but i also have some general stuff to say :D

General
Change SV to 1.4 in Futsuu! fixed, it was 1.4 before but must've messed it up sometime

Muzukashii
00:15:592 (30) - k ok
00:22:651 (59,60,61,62) - change to d kkd tbh now i want to go through and change most of the 1/4 to simple ones like ddd and kkk
00:28:298 (75) - k ok
00:31:827 (88) - maybe k ok
00:43:121 (130) - move to 00:43:033 - yep this sounds better. for some reason i was avoiding that rhythm before
00:52:651 (159) - k ok
00:59:357 (184) - move to 00:59:269 -
00:59:533 - add d ok to this and above
01:06:769 (20) - move to 01:06:592 - just added a d there
01:39:239 (18) - k added k to 01:39:592 -
01:50:533 (63,64) - ctrl G did it for the 3 1/1 notes from 01:50:180 - to match with the guitar
02:19:121 (29) - k ok
02:27:592 (15) - k i don't think this fits, used 02:27:239 - as theres more guitar there
03:05:710 (49) - move to 03:05:886 - ok
03:06:063 (50) - delete ok
03:22:298 (45) - k ok
maybe try to add more 1/4 in the kiai, there is more 1/4 in calm parts than in the kiai, which is kinda weird yep i went over the 1/4s again

Oni
00:09:239 (15) - k ok
00:20:004 (74) - k ok
00:22:474 (87) - delete ok
00:22:651 (88) - d
00:22:739 (89) - move to 00:22:916 - ok to above one too
00:45:239 (203) - k ok
00:52:474 (245) - k ok
00:53:357 (249) - k ok
00:53:533 (250,252,253) - delete, add k, add k
00:55:474 (260) - k fixed this area up a bit for this and above point
01:00:063 (291) - k i think its fine as it is
01:08:533 (340) - k ok
01:10:651 (350) - k changed this section a little
01:14:886 (379,380) - ctrl G changed the notes to k d k
01:19:474 (398) - k changed 01:18:769 (369) - to match with other
01:22:298 (407) - k changed this section on my own
01:28:651 (439) - k ok
01:33:592 (10) - k changed this section on my own
01:46:474 (76) - k changed 01:46:298 (79) - to k
01:48:416 (87) - or 01:48:063 (83) - k 01:48:416 (87) changed
01:54:592 (8) - k ok
01:56:004 (14,15,16) - switch colors ok
02:03:945 (53) - k
02:04:298 (54,55) - ctrl G fixed for above point too
02:22:651 (151,152,153) - change colors ok
02:25:210 (7,8) - d, move 02:25:210 (7) - to02:26:357 (15) -
02:25:827 (12,13,14) - change colors changed this section on my own
02:30:769 (33) - k ok
02:32:886 (44) - k i think its fine as it is
02:38:886 (77) - k changed 02:38:710
03:01:121 (42) - k ok
03:13:474 (101) - k ok
03:14:357 (106) - k ok
03:19:474 (131) - k ok
03:23:004 (148) - k ok
okay, we need to talk
there are way too many spots here which are just filled with d's..... a quick rule of thumb for you, which will spare people a lot of time in the future: never use more than 5 d's in a row in a pattern that isn't only 1/2 or 1/4. If you look and see there are 5 d's on white ticks in a row then something is probably wrong and you should change one of them to k, otherwise the pattern is extremely boring. Please keep this in mind when mapping in the future. Of course there are exceptions to this rule but it will mostly apply, so better be safe than sorry. yep. took this into consideration
Thanks for the mod :D
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