stupud man wrote:

The majority of the parts are similar to the insane diff because going even further with the difficulty (whether the pitch relevancy is right or not) makes the chart unplayable. There's a reason the chart has a positive user rating, and it's because 1) nobody bothers to use user rating and 2) the people who did actually bother played the insane difficulty or even easier ones, where there isnt necessarily anything uncomfortable about them.

this has nothing to do with the user rating. the similarity was intended to give a different variation in terms of gameplay and it does not change anything about comfortability
just because this chart is not your cup of tea, I don't see the need of mentioning the chart is not compatible or unplayable

stupud man wrote:

I have only talked to 1 person who actually liked the Infection difficulty, and it mainly has to do with the amount of longjack charts they play (eg. LR2 jack scale). It's an unconventional "skill" that doesn't really determine if you have any. It's a gift to move your forearms at a high speed without doing much reading of the chart.

somehow you did mention about "skill" and "gift", well each individual has their own "gift" and "skills". like this map is focusing on less usage of chordstream
for those who are bad on sightreading but has the jack/spamming skills

think about it. do you consider yourself as the person who has a clear understanding in it? if you think this is an abuse. i would have put 6 notes spam for the final part on each difficulties like i did in Influenza diff

stupud man wrote:

So about pitch relevancy. There comes a time when pitch relevancy genuinely doesn't matter whatsoever, because following perfect pitch relevancy will eventually only make a chart more uncomfortable (see Dysnomia 8K prior to it's current version, where following pitch relevancy lead to extremely uncomfortable death jacks that didn't belong with the rest of the chart. this should sound familiar). That being said, pitch relevancy can still be noticed when playing small bursts of patterns (eg. FC's Blastix Riotz, he doesn't chart the 256bpm jumptrills as a single 256bpm jack. that's fucking outrageous). So, I think it's appropriate here to focus on playability over pitch relevancy, and no, a 24 note 170bpm longjack isn't playable by any means.

as a mapper, they must already know the limitations for what the music based for,

this was intended for a challenge. however, it depends on the song, the rhythm and the bpm itself. it is mapper's choice to decide whether to make it a trill or jack or etc...

Updated some fix on Stupud's mod

ExPew wrote:

just because this chart is not your cup of tea, I don't see the need of mentioning the chart is not compatible or unplayable

stupud man wrote:

I have only talked to 1 person who actually liked the Infection difficulty, and it mainly has to do with the amount of longjack charts they play (eg. LR2 jack scale).

Like I said, this chart bothers a lot more people than just me, just check the disqus comments. Unfortunately, I'm usually the only person who posts in the threads about these charts.

ExPew wrote:

somehow you did mention about "skill" and "gift", well each individual has their own "gift" and "skills". like this map is focusing on less usage of chordstream
for those who are bad on sightreading but has the jack/spamming skills

I understand that each player has their certain skillsets, and I understand that this chart has little to no usage of chordstreams, which is why I made the minijack mod. I was expecting nothing from the chordstream mod to go through. My original point though was that longjacking isn't necessarily a skill. You shouldn't be able to play an unbelievably difficult chart with your eyes closed, only using whatever strength you have in your forearms.

ExPew wrote:

think about it. do you consider yourself as the person who has a clear understanding in it? if you think this is an abuse. i would have put 6 notes spam for the final part on each difficulties like i did in Influenza diff

Anybody who has the capability of playing a chart has the ability to critique it, and like i said earlier I just so happen to be the only person who ever really speaks out. When I say that the patterns you put in your chart are deemed as uncomfortable by the vast majority of players, that doesn't mean make it worse.

ExPew wrote:

as a mapper, they must already know the limitations for what the music based for,

And if a mapper doesn't know that limitation, they aren't doing their job well, right?

ExPew wrote:

this was intended for a challenge. however, it depends on the song, the rhythm and the bpm itself. it is mapper's choice to decide whether to make it a chordstream or jack or etc...

However it's not the mapper's choice to decide that a chart is comfortable when many players think otherwise. Let's say I made a 2 minute audio file that was 999bpm, and I charted a 16th longjack for the entire song. I could argue forever about how comfortable it is, and ignore every other player's opinion about how the chart is uncomfortable. So should the chart be deemed comfortable, because the mapper said so?

if people were that serious about the disqus comments, i bet most of the mappers already felt demotivated or maybe quit right away. like how does disqus became a base of your arguments if the comments are mostly meme stuff? imo they should have posted their thoughts in the thread itself to make it more constructive and relevant.

longjacking was there for a reason, i'm not going to repeat what i have explained in my reply towards your mod.

then why did you mentioned about comfortability at the first place even in your mod? as i said it was intended for a challenge, this has nothing to do with comfort. as a modder, it is worth to mention that you SHOULD know the common sense to avoid overriding the mapper's creativity. by your logic, two mapsets of the same song created by different mapper should be synchronized as long as there are elements that people feel comfortable when playing, and it must not based on the mapper's choice to decide the variety or the uniqueness of the mapset, right?

thats it, i rest my case.

Since reply more will just going to make an endless war so I will just rebubble instead as the map was already fine to me. Best of luck!

Well, i read all that reason / mod / whatever it is.
It is worth to read, congrats for bubble ExPew.
I'll support you *shoot 3 stars*

I love Infection and I had this in my favorites a long time before it was iconed, so I thought I should at least show my support ^^

Plenty of people have voiced their support in this thread, so I have to admit I'm dubious about stupud man's claim to represent the vast majority of opinions. But I'm sure he's spoken to more community members about this map than I have – and, like he said, it's possible some of these supporters are focusing on the lower diffs – so I'll have to defer my opinion. Either way, I'm proud to support this map, no matter how controversial it is. Worst thing that could happen is that people don't play it (but I'm sure every unranked mapper already knows what that's like hahaha)

Nivrad00 wrote:

Worst thing that could happen is that people don't play it (but I'm sure every unranked mapper already knows what that's like hahaha)

i get what you mean ahaha, thanks for supporting this map from beginning.

pretty good for old chart

congrats
this map will be selected for ranking chart next month

this is why no one takes mania seriously

how to nerf Infection : play Insane

Nice qualify

congratz ~

ExPew wrote:

if people were that serious about the disqus comments, i bet most of the mappers already felt demotivated or maybe quit right away. like how does disqus became a base of your arguments if the comments are mostly meme stuff? imo they should have posted their thoughts in the thread itself to make it more constructive and relevant.

Yeah that's the issue, a lot of people are actually serious in disqus comments (in this map's case anyways), they just dont ever post in the threads because they don't bother to check them. I've noticed that the people that support this mapset are usually the people that are also other mappers/BNs/QATs(to an extent) that browse these threads daily. On the other hand, people who don't support it are usually just people who play the game and don't really go much further than that. Disqus is a convenient way to get small thoughts across, whether or not it's made into a meme.

comments like these are for the most part not memes
and i've talked to the person who posted this and they definitely dislike this mapset

Like I said earlier the problem is that I'm usually the only person to post in these threads since this is the only way to actually have your thoughts put into effect.

ExPew wrote:

longjacking was there for a reason, i'm not going to repeat what i have explained in my reply towards your mod.

I mean both of our points could argue against each other without ever changing so I respect that decision. Seeing as how nobody else is going to speak up I'm just going to step back from arguing.

ExPew wrote:

then why did you mentioned about comfortability at the first place even in your mod? as i said it was intended for a challenge, this has nothing to do with comfort. as a modder, it is worth to mention that you SHOULD know the common sense to avoid overriding the mapper's creativity.

Because comfortability is important in keeping people wanting to play your chart, especially if the chart is essentially going to be required to be played. If the entire chart is what needs to be fixed, how do you go about not "overriding" the mapper's "creativity"?

ExPew wrote:

by your logic, two mapsets of the same song created by different mapper should be synchronized as long as there are elements that people feel comfortable when playing, and it must not based on the mapper's choice to decide the variety or the uniqueness of the mapset, right?

That's absolutely not true at all. What I'm saying is that every chart has a fine line between uncomfortable and challenging. Where that line is drawn is different between you and I. I think we can agree on that.

So if we're done here, I'll just echo what someone said in the Blastix Riotz thread:

Ikaros- wrote:

I do not really enjoy your map, and I do not like your mapping style overall,and I
feel like this should not be ranked, but

Congratulations !

I hope this won't get dq-ed for a selfish reason.
People have their own creativity. So, congrats ExPew

Unlike someone too selfish and think for themself, boohoo
Call their allies to red votes the map, haha, what a funny game.

KK why do you keep passive aggressively attacking stupud man? He's posting criticism in order to improve the map and has given rational reasons to support his argument. People who don't like the chart will vote it down, that's how it works. Some people in this thread (not all) giving their praise to the set seem to not be even skilled enough to play the chart. While you have people like Gekido, stupud man and Jakads to name a few, voicing out their concern regarding the map. At this point it seems that it all depends on if the mapper actually wants to improve the chart and gain the approval of his fans AND the players, or will he be fine with his decision to surround himself with yesmen and filtering out the "haters" from his mind.

I'm not saying that the chart is bad or good, I don't play 7K and I don't care. I just hate to see this attitude that some people have, they think that some people are out there to get them. Players are your demographic, not your enemy. If they say that your chart isn't fun, you should know what to do.
Who will you listen to in this situation is up to you ExPew.

Patterns looks all are great. Why?

can't pass with FC ? then improve your play skill

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

Unlike someone too selfish and think for themself, boohoo
Call their allies to red votes the map, haha, what a funny game.

My red vote has nothing to do with stupud man.
In fact, I have never talked with him before.
But I agree with his points.
I genuinely think that this map needs improvement.

Wh1teh wrote:

KK why do you keep passive aggressively attacking stupud man? He's posting criticism in order to improve the map and has given rational reasons to support his argument. People who don't like the chart will vote it down, that's how it works. Some people in this thread (not all) giving their praise to the set seem to not be even skilled enough to play the chart. While you have people like Gekido, stupud man and Jakads to name a few, voicing out their concern regarding the map. At this point it seems that it all depends on if the mapper actually wants to improve the chart and gain the approval of his fans AND the players, or will he be fine with his decision to surround himself with yesmen and filtering out the "haters" from his mind.

I'm not saying that the chart is bad or good, I don't play 7K and I don't care. I just hate to see this attitude that some people have, they think that some people are out there to get them. Players are your demographic, not your enemy. If they say that your chart isn't fun, you should know what to do.
Who will you listen to in this situation is up to you ExPew.

I'm not saying I'm fully disargee with stupud man. But the main thing is he keep pointing what is right to him and other guys as you said above, but not noticing, not all people dislike it. Some likes it, some dislikes it, i have no offenses so you don't have to worry about that. And playing the map is the best way to judging the map, yes, but yet, not. You can judge the map as many ways as you like and there are no stricts about it. You can't say the guy can't pass it hate the map, or the guy passed it love the map, it their taste to judge what it should be look like and what is fun and boring, so does like stupud as an example, he may hate the map that could be explains by his point. After all, I'm not like (love the map, it's good, good song, good map, ...) no, im just supporting this map and let it a chance to be ranked because it looks interesting to me and good variety of challenging and fun

"People who don't like the chart will vote it down, that's how it works"
Yes; but you forgot the main thing that why it only have 4 red and 20 green remain to 6 days in before but not now? With only one day? Nah, nobody cares about user rating, im just saying it's weird than it suppose to be.

People can mod the map in many ways, improve it as many ways you could to help the mapper, they usually would appreciate about this, but the mod is bad in their opinion and they want to keep it so it's meaningless to keep posting the same mod over and over again, right? They got the point, they have reason why and should keep it to their opinions, unless it's really a bad taste and they fully argees with it then they will fixs it, but no, this is not what about taking critisms, as the mapper had already explained why they still keeping it, they can keep it as long as it's the most suitable to them and not against RC rules, that's also what it should work in my opinion.
Look, you have your own opinions, stupud got his own opinions, other got their own opinions, so does us, If we disargeed to it, it's our will to keep as it's our map, we can choose to map with chordstream but that would be unchallenge and not fun anymore, we just map what the song gave us, it's fine to keep what it should be like, if make it too over comfortable, it would have no souls of a map and people would play it once and it will be forgotten, than try it many times and learn how to surpass it with time and fun, if the things are too easy, then there is nothing fun left to do again, things are to easy to do if you only did it with framework and that wouls be blame.

Might as well requote this because I love they points

Fresh Chicken wrote:

It wouldn't be trustworthy for a person like me to say these words, but in my personal opinion a map with this kind of pattern style getting ranked doesn't change the way osu!mania ranked beatmaps will be in the future. I do agree with the statement saying that this beatmap is generally a bit overmapped. But if you have enough skills to play a 6* 4K map, you'll know this map is well structured and very fun to play. As a player, a mapper that likes challenges, and a modder, I support this map. The meaning of this beatmap getting ranked is only the fact that osu!mania ranked mapset pattern representations will be more free and available, only that.

-Kamikaze- wrote:

While I don't necessairly like this map in particular, I do have to agree with FC here.

I do appreciate that you guys are trying to push this map to rank, because it's unique, the same goes for maps like influenza recently. It's something that is weird, controversial, sure, but also it's bringing more variety to the ranked maps which is very appreciated.
And yeah, if this gets through that doesn't mean that any map like that wil get through. There have been examples of that in the past.

Like AiAe didn't bring more quadstream charts ranked. Batting show didn't really bring many ultra SV charts ranked (which I really hoped it would) and so on.
So I wish to see this ranked just to have more variety in ranked section.

Good luck!

Recently, I post something to the map and stuffs to point about this Memoria p/5667530 but after tried and not gonna uses, I will leave it like the way it should be If they got good points to keep it and I have no offenses. That's the way of a discussion should be work imo than just self-defense your deal over and over again.

TL;DR: It's not about the critism, it's not about the comfortable, it's about the creativy of the mapper, If he/she argeed with your points, they would happily to fixs it, but If they doesn't, you can't just keep saying on one point, it's no use (unless it's an serious issues which against SR, abusing, etc.). than coming to finish it in an endless discussion, so no point to keep it. You have your own opinions and want to help him solve it out, that would be fully appreciated for what you did, thank you, but he/she also have his/her will to rejects it if it's bad in his/her taste pointing more was just useless. ExPew is really tired to explains everything again and again. He did his best to look at the mod and fix the common issues and it's already out of the light. We did understand your points, some are good to be honest, but the rest it's his decision to keep, we would appreciated if we could understand each other by now.
Best of luck!
Sorry bad english qwq

all right calm down everyone i don't want this thread to become worst

there is no need to provoke each other. i admit that i was quite shocked about the rating, but it doesn't matter to me. players can decide and rate whatever they want.

Wh1teh wrote:

KK why do you keep passive aggressively attacking stupud man? He's posting criticism in order to improve the map and has given rational reasons to support his argument. People who don't like the chart will vote it down, that's how it works. Some people in this thread (not all) giving their praise to the set seem to not be even skilled enough to play the chart. While you have people like Gekido, stupud man and Jakads to name a few, voicing out their concern regarding the map. At this point it seems that it all depends on if the mapper actually wants to improve the chart and gain the approval of his fans AND the players, or will he be fine with his decision to surround himself with yesmen and filtering out the "haters" from his mind.

I'm not saying that the chart is bad or good, I don't play 7K and I don't care. I just hate to see this attitude that some people have, they think that some people are out there to get them. Players are your demographic, not your enemy. If they say that your chart isn't fun, you should know what to do.
Who will you listen to in this situation is up to you ExPew.

yep, it's a common thing.
I had already prepared 'Insane' diff for those who are bad in jack/spam skills. like how Jinjin's map (eg The Limit Does Not Exist [Infinity] or MANIERA [Masterpiece] ) consisting of a 'major' chordstream. in case they cannot make a good result they try to play lower difficulty to improve their gameplay and get used to the pattern. so i decided to make 'Influenza' as the highest diff that are focusing on jack rhythm specifically. this should be fair enough in comparison between chordstream and jackhammer. im not going to mention about other terms as this will confuse the people here

i just want tell you guys to consider these things:
1) criticism =/= you are forced to follow/change as instructed.
2) if you feel uncomfortable, you have the freedom to create your own map without anyone hating about it. this is where the variation and diversity exist.
3) i have to repeat this again since you are clearly you missing the point. if they were that serious in disqus, they should have posted their thoughts in the thread itself to make it more constructive and relevant. contribute to the map if you need to justify your reason. make sure to understand the point at (1) above too.
4) those who said about not being skilled enough to play the chart, congratulations for showing your prejudice to the public.
5) to satisfy all players is not an easy task. keep in mind different people has different taste. you know how this works.

Make love (variety style mapping), not war (nonconstructive feedback and selfish mod to change just only you and your shitty elitist fan-club)

kthxbai

Maiz94 wrote:

Make love (variety style mapping), not war (nonconstructive feedback and selfish mod to change just only you and your shitty elitist fan-club)

kthxbai

Quit trying to stir up drama when people are posting legit mods and trying to improve the map. Or can you only listen to mods that you agree with? Yeah, the mapper doesn't have to change the patterns if he doesn't want to. But, the community is still free to post mods that they believe would make the map better. Everyone here needs to learn to take some ****ing criticism.

That being said, I still believe that a couple of parts can still be changed in the map, for playability.
02:19:175 - The transition from the jack into the burst is extremely rough, and I think that something like this would likely play somewhat better, while still keeping it similar to what you have https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6814168

02:32:939 - The main problem is that this jack goes on for so long, that unless you're attang or some other vibro god, you probably can't hope to ever FC this part. Most people aren't even physically capable of playing it, and it isn't really much of something that can be trained (you can train consistency but not really speed in wrist-jacking/vibroing). I think it would be best to at least alternate between columns, instead of condensing it all into two columns. Here's what I came up with, but as long as you at least somewhat alternate between columns for the jacks, it will play much better https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6814237

I'm fine with most of the rest of the map outside of these two spots.

Gekido- wrote:

That being said, I still believe that a couple of parts can still be changed in the map, for playability.
02:19:175 - The transition from the jack into the burst is extremely rough, and I think that something like this would likely play somewhat better, while still keeping it similar to what you have https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6814168

02:32:939 - The main problem is that this jack goes on for so long, that unless you're attang or some other vibro god, you probably can't hope to ever FC this part. Most people aren't even physically capable of playing it, and it isn't really much of something that can be trained (you can train consistency but not really speed in wrist-jacking/vibroing). I think it would be best to at least alternate between columns, instead of condensing it all into two columns. Here's what I came up with, but as long as you at least somewhat alternate between columns for the jacks, it will play much better https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6814237

I'm fine with most of the rest of the map outside of these two spots.

what makes you think that those jacks went overboard in your snapshot?

while people switching finger to do the jack on different column makes more reasonable to play (if everyone is fine with that), i'll take this as a consideration. seems like we can discuss about the jack pattern that needs the improvement. i will contact you in game when you are free.


EDIT: after discussed with Gekido- via irc, i decided to make some changes. this map will be disqualified again. sorry for the inconvenience.

there ya go

Thanks for accepting my mod, and good luck on requalification

"01:08 ExPew: thank you for checking, please create new meme at the last part old one already expired"

I will miss the jack
Like Rose let Jack died
Like Apple.Inc banned jackhead





Jk. Call me back soon

This pattern is much worse now in my opinion, kills the layering you've been enforcing throughout the whole map.

LN on spacebar and [13][13][57][57][13][13][57][57] seems far more optimal and pleasurable to play through.
(i supported the old jack but I guess we can't have everything, option above plays well and doesn't create stupid minijack stairs).
optionally the minijack chains could be 4 or 8 note long. that's to your decision.
please consider

Okay, it's not going to end that well so revert the old pattern back would be the best solution, while the jackstream 77 55 33 11 with long notes in between would make it extremely hard and my thought that no one would ever surpass it than the old one, so, I give you 4 solutions
1. Change it back to 24 jacks
2. Split to 2 parts: each 12 jacks
3. Split to 4 patrs: each 6 jacks
4. Split to 6 parts: each 4 jacks
Which are more considering according to the pitch itself. Mini-jacks was fine, you can rearrange the pattern by your own ideas, and of course, which could be better than the current one.

I thought that the new ending pattern was fine, so I'm kinda surprised to see people disliking it. The majority of people seem to want it changed to splitting into 2/3/4 parts with 12/8/6 jacks like Underjoy and KK stated, so maybe that would be best.
Hopefully then everyone can finally come to an agreement on the ending lmao

Kuo Kyoka wrote:

while the jackstream 77 55 33 11 with long notes in between would make it extremely hard and my thought that no one would ever surpass it than the old one.

It's not extremely hard, it's combo-able but the PR or the relationship between the pattern and the song on the said part is not well suited and brings weird to combo.

I agree that 24 jacks is too overkill, (kek expew. hahaha) but I guess _underjoy solution is pretty enjoyable to combo and plus, it's fun and more challenging that way.

Non-worthy statements.

Sorry for the bump. I took back my words about the jacks were being too overkill.

Expew and me have discussed about the jacks that these 24 jacks are combo-able and yes, it may not comfortable to give for casual players. BUT, the mapper tends to make it more challenging than Insane difficulty and this Infection difficulty is tend for advanced and inhuman skills of a player's target audience and doesn't tend to target audience for casual players.

If you are one from a casual player category, you can play other lower difficulties designed than Infection that the mapper has mapped with love for you to enjoy. You, as a casual player can also enjoy Infection difficulty BUT don't think and decide that this Infection difficulty lowers your play skill ability. Instead, take it as a challenge for you whether if you want it cleared as a target or just want to be combo-able all throughout the duration of the song.

If you didn't enjoy the Infection difficulty whether you take it as a challenge or just went for the play-for-fun thing with all those HT/NF mods kind of stuff, then you have played that 1 game far too long that you won't accept a single change on your desired pattern for you to play.

It is time for you and your fan-club to be open-minded with all other rhythm games and not just stick to only 1 game that your logical and rational thinking are close-minded because of it.

Expew called his mapping as a, map based on the song with rhythmic and various patterns.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have a project with Kuo Kyoka to team-up with and plus, it is related to Expew actually and wanted to have a surprise for Expew.

01:57:844 - Considering the sound starts playing here the first roll should start here too. Also, since the first piano roll is faster than the others I'm pretty sure it should start with a 1/16 roll and then everything after that be 1/8. Making this comfortable might be hard but it's not exactly what you're going for with this chart anyway.

00:53:057 (53057|4,53057|0,53145|2,53145|6,53233|4,53233|0,53322|6,53322|2,53410|4,53410|0,53498|6,53498|2) - If we're talking pitch relevancy, aren't these technically incorrect? since you have 6 note jacks somewhere else in the chart I don't think they would hurt too badly here. I respect your structuring so you probably know better here.

01:06:116 (66116|4,66160|3,66204|2,66248|1,66292|6,66336|5,66380|4,66425|3) - This is probably also about comfort. As someone who doesn't really play 7k I can't really tell how hard something is (since I can't play it) but at least I can check pitch relevancy. So, at 01:06:292 - the sound "changes", so I feel the roll could go into the opposite direction as the roll before does.

01:10:704 - 01:11:410 - I feel like this section is a bit inconsistent with the jacks. 01:10:704 (70704|4,70704|0,70792|2) - this pattern and 01:10:880 (70880|0,70969|0) - do follow the same sound but they are charted differently. The pitch does change but there's no noticeable audio cue to justify this kind of change I suppose.

01:52:395 - If you wanted you could have a 1/8 snapped note here

I think the ending currently follows pitch very nicely and it also gives it a bit more difficulty apart from just being raw speed. Good luck!

Soul's random Modding
1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 / 7

enjoyed modding this, take care when this gets qualified again

Maiz94 wrote:

If you are one from a casual player category, you can play other lower difficulties designed than Infection that the mapper has mapped with love for you to enjoy. You, as a casual player can also enjoy Infection difficulty BUT don't think and decide that this Infection difficulty lowers your play skill ability. Instead, take it as a challenge for you whether if you want it cleared as a target or just want to be combo-able all throughout the duration of the song.

If you didn't enjoy the Infection difficulty whether you take it as a challenge or just went for the play-for-fun thing with all those HT/NF mods kind of stuff, then you have played that 1 game far too long that you won't accept a single change on your desired pattern for you to play.

I hope this logic works on Loved map category

WoW

just a little suggestion from me (minor things or more like opinion maybe)

Maybe that's all i can suggest. Feel free to reject, also reply it. I will look forward for your reply

updated for revert back with 24jacks

will edit later this post after check all modders

EDIT 2 : this post may be late.

hi nanatsu long time no see pls make many sv taiko map
hi maiz94y (when will check my map? already like 1 yr lolol jk)
hi expew i did some suggestion on the hardest diff and the diff that's not too hard but hard diff, mind to look?


I will only focus in playability and visualization (and bit PR) so this is all me suggesting a very suggestive suggestion.
[insane]

I think this 00:03:822 (3822|3,3998|3) - better at 5 for visualization?
00:09:469 (9469|3,9645|2) - ctrl+j?
00:14:057 (14057|0,14057|2) - move to 3-5? (different pitch + not-so-bad playability)
00:19:704 (19704|6,19704|4) - to 5-3?
01:53:939 (113939|1) - move to 5?
01:54:998 (114998|2,115175|3,115351|2) - http://puu.sh/tpSXe/9b95cb6fad.jpg
01:55:880 (115880|2,116057|3) - ctrl+j ?
02:05:057 (125057|1,125233|0,125410|1) - swap collumn|?

[the diff that got so many dislike and controversion but i like it anyway but well it's hard BUT I STILL LIKE IT]

00:03:822 (3822|2,3998|2) - move to 4?
00:06:469 (6469|0) - move to 7 instead? because 00:06:469 (6469|3,6645|2,6822|1,6822|4,6998|3,7175|2,7175|5) -
00:37:351 (37351|5,37527|4,37704|3,37880|4,38057|3) - http://puu.sh/tpUbv/e8e50e074e.jpg ?
00:42:116 (42116|5,42116|2,42292|2,42292|5) - I think it's different sound how about move 00:42:292 (42292|5,42292|2) - 1 coll to the left? (yes, jack with 00:42:469 (42469|4) - not bad I think)
00:43:704 (43704|3,43792|6) - http://puu.sh/tpUfw/b7092eb974.jpg (better visualization + playability for mee but idk)
why 01:22:351 (82351|6,82351|0,83057|0,83057|6) - 2 note but 01:22:704 (82704|4) - only 1? the LN have all 1 LN, add at 1? not bad playability I think?
01:33:027 (93027|5,93027|1,93116|4,93116|2,93204|1,93204|5,93292|6) - http://puu.sh/tpUrY/24ba049996.jpg ? if not want jack the 7th note go to 1?
01:35:233 (95233|6,95233|2) - change to LN 1/2? (to the white line, is this 1/2 LN? or 1/4? zzzz ajee said 1/2)



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riktoi wrote:

01:57:844 - Considering the sound starts playing here the first roll should start here too. Also, since the first piano roll is faster than the others I'm pretty sure it should start with a 1/16 roll and then everything after that be 1/8. Making this comfortable might be hard but it's not exactly what you're going for with this chart anyway.

Fixed, need to confirm where the sound starts with the current update. I use stable 1/8 to play for 1 second piano roll.

00:53:057 (53057|4,53057|0,53145|2,53145|6,53233|4,53233|0,53322|6,53322|2,53410|4,53410|0,53498|6,53498|2) - If we're talking pitch relevancy, aren't these technically incorrect? since you have 6 note jacks somewhere else in the chart I don't think they would hurt too badly here. I respect your structuring so you probably know better here.

yeah, you're right. however it's quite overdone when the music going from the beginning to the middle chorus and make slight gap difficult jump here.

01:06:116 (66116|4,66160|3,66204|2,66248|1,66292|6,66336|5,66380|4,66425|3) - This is probably also about comfort. As someone who doesn't really play 7k I can't really tell how hard something is (since I can't play it) but at least I can check pitch relevancy. So, at 01:06:292 - the sound "changes", so I feel the roll could go into the opposite direction as the roll before does.

your point about 'sound changes' based on pitch, so i re-arranged to 'quick S' stair pattern. hopefully this problem is solved for you and others

01:10:704 - 01:11:410 - I feel like this section is a bit inconsistent with the jacks. 01:10:704 (70704|4,70704|0,70792|2) - this pattern and 01:10:880 (70880|0,70969|0) - do follow the same sound but they are charted differently. The pitch does change but there's no noticeable audio cue to justify this kind of change I suppose.

i think i already make minijack '2 by 2' on the violin sounds last time, well i got lots of feedback from here that it needs some slight nerf. i decided to make 12 11 12 11 lowest as slight stair and jack.

01:52:395 - If you wanted you could have a 1/8 snapped note here

Kuo confirm it for me on this snap

I think the ending currently follows pitch very nicely and it also gives it a bit more difficulty apart from just being raw speed. Good luck!

Soul Evans wrote:

Soul's random Modding
1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6 / 7

General

1. BPM: Okay
2. Offset: Okay
3. AiMod: Okay
4. Tags: Okay
5. BG: Okay
6. Kiai: Okay
7. Metadata: Okay
8. Folder’s problem: None
9. Hitsound: Okay
10. Timing: Okay
11. Other: Okay
    [Infection]
12. 00:18:469 (18469|0) - why does this note that's part of the chord interfering with the jacks? no need to add an extra jack note it doesn't follow rythm and makes the jack unbalanced, so i would move that
    
    oops, i went overboard. fixed.
    
13. 00:23:233 (23233|2,23233|6,23322|6,23322|2) - This doesn't play out smoothly in a way, not that jack by itself but how much it messes up so i might move those two in the middle, would turn out quite good i guess
    
    fixed, makes more balance pattern.
    
14. 00:30:469 - why don't you make this have two lns instead of one for the beat that's being louder than the earlier beat? i think it would play out nice to make the player feel the music more
    
    i don't think of making 2 lns here, they have their own specific melody itself
15. 00:25:527 (25527|2) - This might be better off on column 1, i mean, it feels unbalanced for me personally, and think it would be a better pattern intro for the LNs
    
    someone already pointed that this part is quite a mess. i think, i need to rework on this measure line ( im not sure for some improvement or remain as usual )
    
16. 00:30:469 - same here, like i said about it earlier
    
    ??? ???
    
17. 00:32:057 - I was thinking about maybe adding lns to this to fit the theme of map more and to represent the instrument beat i am hearing
    
    looks good and more fit on the rest of 1/4 LNs (ill fix the 1/2LN later on this chorus)
    
18. 00:36:292 - why does this pattern have to be the same as the one before it? when i was playing it i was expecting a jack so maybe move it to other cols would be better to make it have more variety to make it more fun!
    
    slight changes following the rhythm changes at 00:36:292 -
    
19. 00:38:057 (38057|2) - i kinda feel like this LN should extend to here 00:38:057 (38057|2) - it just feels awkward to me so i'm not sure.
    
    actually, i don't want to. it feels a little weird
    
20. 00:39:469 - same here ^
    
21. 00:57:910 (57910|2,57998|2) - maybe try avoiding this
    
    moved the LN to 1st column, kinda feels little weird.
    
22. 01:00:822 - I think there should be a 3rd jack here, the sound supports it i think
    
    nope, i'll just switch the LNs on other column
    
23. 01:06:998 - why not make these violin sounds LN? think it would be more consistent that way add short lns i love them pls
24. 01:09:645 - ^
    
    i can't make a suitable 1/4 LN here for this part sounds. so i decided to switch to normal note here. and other next part. i'll changed to LNs ( kinda tricky lol )
    
25. 01:16:880 (76880|4,76969|6,77057|3,77145|6) - If you could just, find a way these don't touch each other it would be extremely fun to play through this i trust you know how to change it sine you're expew after all! : )
    
    
    im planning to make it like this, however that note that was highlighted makes some major error http://puu.sh/tsFQN/92024d0ac1.jpg .
    im going to remap this part ( if you disagree with new changes, i'd like to see your suggestion)
    
26. 01:27:645 - maybe you should add an ln for the scream (?) up until here 01:28:704 -
    
    i don't need a scream sound here. it's fine
    
27. 01:32:939 - i think you should add a note here, since it follows up the rest of the beats and it would be more consistent
    
    there a melody sound i followed, and no kick sound here.
    
28. 01:40:351 - is there a way to switch the jacks? it's unbalancing so i think it could be better to swap cols around
    
    changed to more easier gameplay
    
29. 02:01:527 (121527|5,121527|6,121616|6,121616|5,121704|5,121704|6,121792|6,121792|5,121880|5,121880|6,121969|6,121969|5,122057|5,122057|6,122145|6,122145|5) - Is there anyway this could be placed on the index+middle of either hands? atleast it would be better to hit than jacking with your weak finger
    
    there's no option to change, sorry
    
30. 02:15:116 - there shouldn't be a jack here since it's not following the original jack beat, hence makes it not following anything so i suggest moving these two notes
    
    removed last jack note
    

enjoyed modding this, take care when this gets qualified again

Another Lie wrote:

just a little suggestion from me (minor things or more like opinion maybe)

[Insane]

01:57:866 (117866|5,117910|4,117954|3,117998|2,118042|1,118307|5,118351|4,118395|3,118439|2,118483|1) - why not make it 1 step to the right? People at above normal rank (around #4000 - #2000) usually panicked when the pattern changed slightly.

alright.

02:19:175 (139175|4,139219|5,139263|1,139307|2,139351|4,139395|5,139439|1,139483|2,139527|4,139572|5,139616|1,139660|2,139704|4,139748|5,139792|1,139836|2,139880|4) - maybe you could make them like this? Why do i think that?

maybe im late to check?? http://puu.sh/tsI3c/0492c8010a.jpg

The balance of these note 02:19:880 (139880|4,139880|5) - if you're going to use current pattern. Those note in the right column are

i prefer to remain the current column, but hey i feel like this LN end is not the same as the other diffs. i'll fix this
i cant understand your point number 2 and 3 cuz i need your past screenshot. feel free to send it again

Maybe that's all i can suggest. Feel free to reject, also reply it. I will look forward for your reply - thanks

ArcherLove wrote:

hi nanatsu long time no see pls make many sv taiko map
hi maiz94y (when will check my map? already like 1 yr lolol jk)
hi expew i did some suggestion on the hardest diff and the diff that's not too hard but hard diff, mind to look?


I will only focus in playability and visualization (and bit PR) so this is all me suggesting a very suggestive suggestion.
[insane]

00:03:822 (3822|3,3998|3) - better at 5 for visualization?

the pitch looks good current one
00:09:469 (9469|3,9645|2) - ctrl+j?

looks good.
00:14:057 (14057|0,14057|2) - move to 3-5? (different pitch + not-so-bad playability)
00:19:704 (19704|6,19704|4) - to 5-3?
01:53:939 (113939|1) - move to 5?
01:54:998 (114998|2,115175|3,115351|2) - http://puu.sh/tpSXe/9b95cb6fad.jpg
01:55:880 (115880|2,116057|3) - ctrl+j ?

fixed all slight pattern weird
02:05:057 (125057|1,125233|0,125410|1) - swap collumn|?

doesn't need to swap, i rearrange here.

[the diff that got so many dislike and controversion but i like it anyway but well it's hard BUT I STILL LIKE IT]

00:03:822 (3822|2,3998|2) - move to 4?

nope better remain current one.

00:06:469 (6469|0) - move to 7 instead? because 00:06:469 (6469|3,6645|2,6822|1,6822|4,6998|3,7175|2,7175|5) -

I don't think so, if you combine with all. im sure it suitable.

00:37:351 (37351|5,37527|4,37704|3,37880|4,38057|3) - http://puu.sh/tpUbv/e8e50e074e.jpg ?

already change new pattern here. please check new update

00:42:116 (42116|5,42116|2,42292|2,42292|5) - I think it's different sound how about move 00:42:292 (42292|5,42292|2) - 1 coll to the left? (yes, jack with 00:42:469 (42469|4) - not bad I think)

make sense, move left col to make different sound.

00:43:704 (43704|3,43792|6) - http://puu.sh/tpUfw/b7092eb974.jpg (better visualization + playability for mee but idk)

i already change this part, please check new update

why 01:22:351 (82351|6,82351|0,83057|0,83057|6) - 2 note but 01:22:704 (82704|4) - only 1? the LN have all 1 LN, add at 1? not bad playability I think?

i nerfed this part , please update and recheck again.

01:33:027 (93027|5,93027|1,93116|4,93116|2,93204|1,93204|5,93292|6) - http://puu.sh/tpUrY/24ba049996.jpg ? if not want jack the 7th note go to 1?
01:35:233 (95233|6,95233|2) - change to LN 1/2? (to the white line, is this 1/2 LN? or 1/4? zzzz ajee said 1/2)

looks horrible hahaha

wow u open

02:32:939 (152939|6,152939|4,153027|6,153027|4,153116|6,153116|4,153204|6,153204|4,153292|6,153292|4,153380|6,153380|4,153469|4,153469|6,153557|4,153557|6,153645|6,153645|4,153733|6,153733|4,153822|6,153822|4,153910|4,153910|6,153998|4,153998|6,154086|6,154086|4,154175|6,154175|4,154263|6,154263|4,154351|6,154351|4,154439|6,154439|4,154527|6,154527|4,154616|4,154616|6,154704|4,154704|6,154792|6,154792|4,154880|6,154880|4,154969|6,154969|4) -

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major nerfed Infection diff on LongNotes. feels free to check it again.

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Ok nice, ExPew already update it \^.^/
time to training again