2015-03-16 18:29 Keada: heyo ^-^ Demi told me to type to you
2015-03-16 18:31 Desperate-kun: yeah
2015-03-16 18:31 Desperate-kun: demetori <3
2015-03-16 18:32 Keada: hai
2015-03-16 18:32 Desperate-kun: ACTION is playing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/661602 Demetori - Dawn of the Dead [Dawn]]
2015-03-16 18:32 Desperate-kun: this map?
2015-03-16 18:32 Keada: thank you btw :3
2015-03-16 18:32 Keada: <3
2015-03-16 18:32 Keada: yeah
2015-03-16 18:32 Keada: thats the one ^-^
2015-03-16 18:32 Desperate-kun: spectate :b
2015-03-16 18:32 Desperate-kun: altho i suck lol
2015-03-16 18:34 Desperate-kun: damn
2015-03-16 18:34 Desperate-kun: i'm missing the stamina for streams
2015-03-16 18:34 Keada: D:
2015-03-16 18:34 Keada: yeah theyre alot of streams so xD
2015-03-16 18:35 Desperate-kun: grrrrrrrr
2015-03-16 18:35 Keada:
2015-03-16 18:39 Desperate-kun: hmm it's quite good
2015-03-16 18:39 Keada: o-o
2015-03-16 18:39 Keada:
2015-03-16 18:39 Desperate-kun: how long do you map?
2015-03-16 18:39 Keada: yay <3
2015-03-16 18:39 Desperate-kun: only one month? o.o
2015-03-16 18:39 Desperate-kun: or longer
2015-03-16 18:40 Keada: I mapped for 7-8 hours o-o
2015-03-16 18:40 Desperate-kun: no i mean
2015-03-16 18:40 Keada: ohh
2015-03-16 18:40 Keada: how long ive mapped xD
2015-03-16 18:40 Desperate-kun: yeah
2015-03-16 18:40 Keada: ACTION facepalms*
2015-03-16 18:40 Keada: like a month ish yeah owo
2015-03-16 18:40 Desperate-kun: oh wow
2015-03-16 18:40 Desperate-kun: that's really good
2015-03-16 18:40 Keada: is it
2015-03-16 18:40 Desperate-kun: of course it's far from being perfect or anything but
2015-03-16 18:40 Desperate-kun: better than most people map after 1 month for sure
2015-03-16 18:40 Keada: thats true >.<
2015-03-16 18:41 Keada: aww
2015-03-16 18:41 Desperate-kun: okay, to give some actual feedback
2015-03-16 18:41 Desperate-kun: set some custom combo colors
2015-03-16 18:41 Desperate-kun: fitting to the background picture
2015-03-16 18:41 Keada: yeah
2015-03-16 18:42 Desperate-kun: you know how to do that?
2015-03-16 18:42 Keada: I think so owo
2015-03-16 18:42 Desperate-kun: okay
2015-03-16 18:42 Keada: in here right
http://puu.sh/gCTez/fb18f5178e.png2015-03-16 18:42 Desperate-kun: yes
2015-03-16 18:42 Desperate-kun: and also disable the countdown
2015-03-16 18:42 Desperate-kun: because it doesn't play
2015-03-16 18:42 Desperate-kun: since the map starts relatively at the beginning of the mp3
2015-03-16 18:42 Keada: oh xD I forgot
2015-03-16 18:43 Keada: yeah
2015-03-16 18:43 Desperate-kun: 00:09:753 (3,4,5,6) -
2015-03-16 18:43 Desperate-kun: if you listen closely to the music
2015-03-16 18:43 Desperate-kun: these must be snapped to 1/3
2015-03-16 18:44 Desperate-kun: like this for example:
2015-03-16 18:44 Desperate-kun:
http://puu.sh/gCTnq/4bb87fc17a.jpg2015-03-16 18:44 Desperate-kun: it will also get the player prepared for the 1/3-tapping afterwards 00:10:435 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - which is a good thing
2015-03-16 18:45 Desperate-kun: to make it more readable
2015-03-16 18:46 Keada: oooh
2015-03-16 18:46 Keada: yeah
2015-03-16 18:46 Keada: that fitted really well
2015-03-16 18:46 Desperate-kun: something is wrong about the red timing sections
2015-03-16 18:46 Desperate-kun: 1. Offset: 890ms BPM: 176,00
2015-03-16 18:46 Desperate-kun: oops
2015-03-16 18:46 Desperate-kun: 00:45:781 -
2015-03-16 18:46 Desperate-kun: here should be a red line
2015-03-16 18:47 Desperate-kun: with same bpm
2015-03-16 18:47 Desperate-kun: but 6/4 measure
2015-03-16 18:47 Desperate-kun: or wait
2015-03-16 18:47 Keada: which one huh? o-p
2015-03-16 18:47 Desperate-kun: at 00:45:781 -
2015-03-16 18:47 Desperate-kun: make a red line
2015-03-16 18:47 Keada: 166 bpm red line?
2015-03-16 18:47 Desperate-kun: and then do this:
2015-03-16 18:47 Desperate-kun: yes
2015-03-16 18:48 Keada: aight
2015-03-16 18:48 Desperate-kun: wait
2015-03-16 18:48 Desperate-kun: if you create the timing sectino you will see this:
2015-03-16 18:48 Desperate-kun:
http://puu.sh/gCTEu/b05c841a3f.png2015-03-16 18:48 Desperate-kun: you need to put 6/4 there
2015-03-16 18:48 Keada: yeah did that now ^^
2015-03-16 18:48 Desperate-kun: after you did that
2015-03-16 18:48 Desperate-kun: 00:52:287 - delete this red line
2015-03-16 18:48 Desperate-kun: and move it here 00:47:949 -
2015-03-16 18:49 Desperate-kun: also, it will mess up your slider velocity multipliers
2015-03-16 18:49 Desperate-kun: but they are already messed up
2015-03-16 18:49 Desperate-kun: see:
2015-03-16 18:49 Desperate-kun: 00:51:925 -
2015-03-16 18:49 Desperate-kun: this slider is much faster than 00:52:287 -
2015-03-16 18:49 Desperate-kun: i don't think it's intentional
2015-03-16 18:49 Keada: oh
2015-03-16 18:50 Desperate-kun: you just forgot to add another green line to change the slider velocity
2015-03-16 18:50 Desperate-kun: so if you moved the red line to 00:49:214 - place a 1.5x slider velocity section above it
2015-03-16 18:50 Keada: oh
2015-03-16 18:50 Desperate-kun: and remap the section starting at 00:52:287 -
2015-03-16 18:50 Desperate-kun: i hope you can understand
2015-03-16 18:51 Keada: yeha I do
2015-03-16 18:51 Keada: Just need to resnap then i guess?
2015-03-16 18:51 Desperate-kun: yeah but the sliders will be much longe
2015-03-16 18:51 Keada: and then add combo colours ;D
2015-03-16 18:52 Desperate-kun: so the patterns will be weird
2015-03-16 18:52 Desperate-kun: let me continue first
2015-03-16 18:52 Keada: yeah
2015-03-16 18:52 Keada: sure
2015-03-16 18:52 Keada: ^^
2015-03-16 18:52 Desperate-kun: 01:46:142 (7) -
2015-03-16 18:52 Desperate-kun: this slider's start
2015-03-16 18:52 Desperate-kun: must be snapped to 1/8
2015-03-16 18:52 Desperate-kun: it's a bit complicated
2015-03-16 18:52 Desperate-kun:
http://puu.sh/gCU05/9982e05586.jpg2015-03-16 18:52 Keada: oh
2015-03-16 18:52 Desperate-kun: you can listen at 25% and will hear it ^^
2015-03-16 18:53 Keada:
http://puu.sh/gCU23/e4fa933219.jpg2015-03-16 18:53 Keada: aight
2015-03-16 18:53 Desperate-kun: yea
2015-03-16 18:54 Desperate-kun: 02:16:232 (1) -
2015-03-16 18:54 Desperate-kun: there is no 1/8 in the music here
2015-03-16 18:54 Desperate-kun: this slider should be 1/4 similar to 02:19:123 (3) -
2015-03-16 18:54 Desperate-kun: 02:27:798 (4) - same
2015-03-16 18:55 Keada: oh aight
2015-03-16 18:55 Desperate-kun: 03:20:208 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - sadly these are on the wrong snap too
2015-03-16 18:55 Desperate-kun: it must be 1/6
2015-03-16 18:56 Desperate-kun: to make it simple to tap maybe do this:
2015-03-16 18:56 Desperate-kun:
http://puu.sh/gCUfZ/108723c3a3.jpg2015-03-16 18:57 Desperate-kun: 03:31:774 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - these are correct though
2015-03-16 18:57 Desperate-kun: 03:42:256 (3) - this should be 1/4
2015-03-16 18:58 Desperate-kun: 04:38:641 (9) - same
2015-03-16 18:59 Keada:
http://puu.sh/gCUrK/240293ed53.jpg fixed now
2015-03-16 18:59 Desperate-kun: cool
2015-03-16 18:59 Desperate-kun: tell me when you are done fixing so i can continue
2015-03-16 19:00 Keada: yeah
2015-03-16 19:00 Keada:
2015-03-16 19:01 Keada: aight done again
2015-03-16 19:01 Keada: ^^
2015-03-16 19:02 Desperate-kun: cool
2015-03-16 19:02 Desperate-kun: now i need to explain something
2015-03-16 19:02 Desperate-kun: you know the difference between a clickable object, like circle or slider head, and unclickable object, like slider tail?
2015-03-16 19:03 Desperate-kun: when the player clicks, it gives more stress to the note than when you just release the key
2015-03-16 19:03 Keada: I thiiiink so o-o
2015-03-16 19:03 Desperate-kun: that's why important beats should always be clickable
2015-03-16 19:03 Keada: yeah
2015-03-16 19:03 Desperate-kun: and in most music, the white ticks are very important, then the red ticks, then the blue ticks etc (in most of the cases)
2015-03-16 19:03 Desperate-kun: that's why usually you start 1/2 sliders at white and not at red ticks
2015-03-16 19:04 Desperate-kun: and 1/4 sliders usually start at white/red ticks instead of blue ticks
2015-03-16 19:04 Desperate-kun: now here 04:54:364 (5,6,1) -
2015-03-16 19:04 Desperate-kun: 04:54:364 (5) - is alright
2015-03-16 19:04 Desperate-kun: but 04:54:726 (6) - ends at the big white tick
2015-03-16 19:04 Desperate-kun: that doesn't give enough stress to this beat
2015-03-16 19:04 Desperate-kun: and also, the player needs to start clicking the stream at the blue tick which feels a bit weird
2015-03-16 19:05 Desperate-kun: it would be better to move the two sliders 1/2 backwards and start the stream on the big white tick
2015-03-16 19:05 Desperate-kun: like this:
2015-03-16 19:05 Keada: ooh so its better with two circles instead of that slider then
2015-03-16 19:05 Desperate-kun: yeah or that
2015-03-16 19:05 Desperate-kun: but even better it would be like this
2015-03-16 19:05 Desperate-kun:
http://puu.sh/gCUWd/abdf3386dd.jpg2015-03-16 19:06 Desperate-kun: wait a moment, i'm going to put my pizza in the furnace~
2015-03-16 19:07 Keada: aight ^^
2015-03-16 19:07 Keada: fixed so
2015-03-16 19:08 Desperate-kun: okay back
2015-03-16 19:09 Desperate-kun: 05:07:196 (1,2,3,4) - if you listen closely here
2015-03-16 19:09 Desperate-kun: you will notice the guitar has louder sounds at 05:07:196 - 05:07:467 - and 05:07:738 -
2015-03-16 19:09 Desperate-kun: so it makes sense to arrange the notes in groups of 3 here:
2015-03-16 19:10 Desperate-kun:
http://puu.sh/gCVid/8dcfdd7274.jpg2015-03-16 19:10 Desperate-kun: or if you want like this is good too:
2015-03-16 19:10 Desperate-kun:
http://puu.sh/gCVmk/66cec19468.jpg2015-03-16 19:11 Keada: what about this btw?
http://puu.sh/gCVro/39ecea9255.jpg just a suggestion cause of the drums so
2015-03-16 19:13 Desperate-kun: is also possible
2015-03-16 19:13 Desperate-kun: 05:18:943 (1) - must be snapped to 1/6:
http://puu.sh/gCVpY/deeace65a1.jpg2015-03-16 19:13 Keada: yeah
2015-03-16 19:14 Keada: aight fixed
2015-03-16 19:14 Desperate-kun: 05:27:436 (1,2,3,4) - this pattern played weird.. it doesn't really fit in
2015-03-16 19:14 Desperate-kun: the reason is that the player needs to reduce movement speed a lot
2015-03-16 19:15 Desperate-kun: you need to move half as fast here than before
2015-03-16 19:15 Keada: hmm yeah now that I think of it thats true
2015-03-16 19:15 Desperate-kun: like.. this pattern works in some rare cases
2015-03-16 19:15 Desperate-kun: but here not really
2015-03-16 19:15 Desperate-kun: in between of a long stream
2015-03-16 19:16 Keada: oh
2015-03-16 19:16 Keada: yeah
2015-03-16 19:16 Keada:
http://puu.sh/gCVLz/13bfd4c307.jpg2015-03-16 19:16 Keada: this a good idea?
2015-03-16 19:16 Desperate-kun: hmm looks a bit cramped
2015-03-16 19:16 Keada: yeah
2015-03-16 19:16 Keada: more spaced then
2015-03-16 19:17 Desperate-kun: movement seems alright yea
2015-03-16 19:17 Keada:
http://puu.sh/gCVSQ/84ef79c953.jpg2015-03-16 19:17 Keada: there
2015-03-16 19:17 Keada: maybee
2015-03-16 19:17 Desperate-kun: seems better ^^
2015-03-16 19:17 Keada: nice :3
2015-03-16 19:17 Desperate-kun: okay now let me clear up the red lines
2015-03-16 19:17 Desperate-kun: in the rest of the song
2015-03-16 19:17 Desperate-kun: the metronome is still often wrong
2015-03-16 19:18 Keada: yeah
2015-03-16 19:18 Keada: aight
2015-03-16 19:18 Desperate-kun: 02:42:617 -
2015-03-16 19:18 Keada: my friend timed it for me so
2015-03-16 19:18 Desperate-kun: here red line
2015-03-16 19:18 Keada: i suck at timing
2015-03-16 19:18 Desperate-kun: with 6/4 measure
2015-03-16 19:18 Keada: aight
2015-03-16 19:18 Desperate-kun: don't forget to place the green line again
2015-03-16 19:18 Desperate-kun: with 1.2x sv
2015-03-16 19:18 Desperate-kun: 02:44:786 - here red line with 4/4 measure
2015-03-16 19:18 Desperate-kun: btw, aleast your friend got the bpm and offsets right, that's great
2015-03-16 19:18 Desperate-kun: the rest only matters for taiko
2015-03-16 19:19 Desperate-kun: and other converts
2015-03-16 19:19 Desperate-kun: but it still needs to be correct
2015-03-16 19:19 Keada: yeah
2015-03-16 19:19 Desperate-kun: but all we are doing is changing the positions of the big white ticks
2015-03-16 19:19 Desperate-kun: 03:20:931 - this red line can be removed then
2015-03-16 19:20 Keada: aight done
2015-03-16 19:20 Keada: ^^
2015-03-16 19:22 Desperate-kun: alright, the ones at the end are correct
2015-03-16 19:22 Desperate-kun: okay so now we cleared up timing and rhythms hehe
2015-03-16 19:22 Keada: thats nice
2015-03-16 19:22 Desperate-kun: the map was quite good with those aspects already
2015-03-16 19:22 Keada: oh o-o
2015-03-16 19:22 Keada:
2015-03-16 19:22 Desperate-kun: placements are also quite good already but need more finetuning
2015-03-16 19:23 Desperate-kun: i didn't check carefully now but your stream spacings seem to make sense
2015-03-16 19:23 Keada: yeah :3
2015-03-16 19:23 Desperate-kun: and are consistent, that's good
2015-03-16 19:23 Keada: aight
2015-03-16 19:23 Desperate-kun: what this map needs now is a lot of mods
2015-03-16 19:23 Keada: yehp
2015-03-16 19:23 Desperate-kun: to get more clean before it can get ranked
2015-03-16 19:24 Desperate-kun: but please don't give up on it!
2015-03-16 19:24 Desperate-kun: it's so much better than most first maps going for rank
2015-03-16 19:24 Keada: only to find that tho D: but like they say ''NEVER GIVE UP''
2015-03-16 19:24 Desperate-kun: hehe