DM Ashura - Elise · forum

Kalibe

2,060 posts

Joined October 2013

Kalibe 2016-01-06T02:56:33+00:00

As requested ~:3

Change Audio Lead-In in all diffs: ( 262 ) -> ( 1000~1500 ) just to be safe.
soft-hitclap3 is probably unused. I don't see any sampleset 3 on green lines tho,

Normal :

You can raise HP to 4 as you did it with OD imo.
00:18:038 (3,1) - Switch NC maybe? You do that in 00:16:186 (2,1) - I think you follow every downbeat, right? OR 00:16:927 (1) - Delete this NC. Why? - because i see later you follow 2 downbeats xd.
00:25:815 (1,3) - Switch NC too .. then delete NC 00:27:297 (1) - here of course.
01:39:148 (1) - Ctrl J this slider will help gameplay a bit.
01:12:482 (3,2) - Stack these slider properly.
01:52:482 (1,3) - Switch NC according to NC stuff you here.. yup.
Pretty nice !

Hard :

00:49:149 - Unnessesary green line. Feel free to delete it.
00:02:761 (2) - Add whistle on slider end? It makes emphasis with other whistles buddy. :3
00:21:001 (3,1) - I'm not a fan of this overlap.. I would change it to smth other .. tadah ? ( I stacked on (1) end if you don't see )
01:31:371 - This green line is also unnessesary. Red line gives the same volume and kiai time.
Nice.

Frey's Light Insane :

You sure about HP 7 ? I would change to 6, because it makes a consistent HP in all mapset. { 4,5,6,7... }
00:03:317 (1) - NC on red beats are not ok at all. Better to switch it with 00:02:484 (9) - if you can.
01:30:260 - Unnessesary green line imo.
00:44:334 (3,4,5,6) - minor - Soft sampleset is okay, but i prefer to change sampleset to drum for beats emphasis tho.
00:52:297 (7,8,1) - This looks weird to me. Why you just don't stack (1) on (7,8) ? You do that in previous triples.
Cool one !

Ok, that's all. Nice song and map. Have a star ~:3
Good luck !

Frey

1,205 posts

Joined February 2011

Frey 2016-01-09T14:36:17+00:00

moonlightleaf wrote:
[浮雷女神]

00:03:595 (2,3) - ctrl+g LightInsane的话应该没必要这么做..虽然DS确实看起来很奇怪，但是这里不想用反向flow
00:12:231 (2,3,4) - 换红线是否需要NC 那换吧..
00:16:741 (3,4) - 旋转4 增加DS 意义不大
00:30:815 (7,8,1) - 确切的说 7-8ds要比8-1小 1才是加DS的地方嘛，当时已经这么放了。我觉得不好改..算了。
00:52:297 (7,8,1) - 一般的这3个是要叠一起不叠感觉打起来也没什么不对的，个人。
01:17:297 (3,4,5,6,7,1) - 我觉得3开始才是正确的5连后面不适合改完发现好像没什么差别...pass

Hollow Wings wrote:
Frey's Light Insane
00:36:556 (3,4) - 总觉得这个很别扭，之前都是顺flow，这边突然打逆，柑橘很怪，建议换梗。 fixed
全图基本都是在顺时针转hhhhhh，做的挺好。顺时针啊...大概是无意识中这么做的吧w

Kalibe wrote:
Frey's Light Insane :
You sure about HP 7 ? I would change to 6, because it makes a consistent HP in all mapset. { 4,5,6,7... } ok.
00:03:317 (1) - NC on red beats are not ok at all. Better to switch it with 00:02:484 (9) - if you can. it's fine to me cuz it sounds like a start in waltz tempo
01:30:260 - Unnessesary green line imo. fixed
00:44:334 (3,4,5,6) - minor - Soft sampleset is okay, but i prefer to change sampleset to drum for beats emphasis tho. well I don't really want to use drum in this song...
00:52:297 (7,8,1) - This looks weird to me. Why you just don't stack (1) on (7,8) ? You do that in previous triples. fixed
Cool one !

Thanks for your modding!

CODE

osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: Song.mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 29890
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
DistanceSpacing: 1.2
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
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[Metadata]
Title:Elise
TitleUnicode:Elise
Artist:DM Ashura
ArtistUnicode:DM Ashura
Creator:Streliteela
Version:Frey's Light Insane
Source:
Tags:Rhythm Master Pump It Up Infinity Frey
BeatmapID:661124
BeatmapSetID:290339

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Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2016-01-10T21:30:09+00:00

Hi.

[General]

Your combo usage seems random in some places, especially in Normal and Hard. Please try to follow some kind of structure for your combos, like following the phrasing of the music.

[Normal]

00:23:593 (1,2,3) - May be better to change the rhythm to capture more of the melody: http://puu.sh/mqVpj/b89b80cdb0.jpg
00:50:260 (1,2) - Player will have a hard time reading this rhythm because you also used 1/1 stack earlier in the map. I recommend unstacking this.

[Hard]

00:12:575 (1,1) - What's the purpose of these new combos? They are not really necessary in my opinion.
01:04:704 (1) - In the section with the agitated theme, the style of mapping doesn't really capture the intensity of the music, and actually becomes kind of monotonous... If you listen to the original Für Elise, maybe you can get some concept of how this part of the music should feel. My recommendation is to place objects such that the movement speed changes to emphasize the strong notes (things like small jumps into strong notes). The things you did in Insane were good.
01:44:333 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - This can be more exciting if you gradually increase the distance spacing.

[Frey's Light Insane]

00:02:484 (9,1) - Combo should be swapped to match the music phrasing. See 00:08:872 (6,1)
00:28:408 (7) - I think more should be done to emphasize this note in particular, as it is the peak pitch, and marks the start of the alternating minor second. Maybe you can jump to it.
01:25:538 (1) - Your streams are incorrectly grouped. The notes should be in groups of nine, as in the original Für Elise. You can see that these arpeggios are in groups of nine notes: http://puu.sh/mqY0y/ddfcd02f87.png

Well done.

[Insane]

00:12:575 (1,1) - Again, these new combos are unnecessary.
01:25:538 (1) - Your streams are incorrectly grouped. The notes should be in groups of nine, as in the original Für Elise. You can see that these arpeggios are in groups of nine notes: http://puu.sh/mqY0y/ddfcd02f87.png The notes should be groups like this, with emphasis on (1) and (7) of each combo: http://puu.sh/mqYzJ/5ff139d9c4.jpg
01:48:037 (1,2,3) - Your use of triples ruins beat emphasis. Long notes are better for emphasizing strong beats (from music theory). It would be better to use a slider on the downbeat, and place your triple on some weaker beats like http://puu.sh/mqYlA/8953dcaa60.jpg or http://puu.sh/mqYni/c73f293c8b.jpg Same for the other ones.

Frey

1,205 posts

Joined February 2011

Frey 2016-01-12T09:37:11+00:00

Little wrote:
[Frey's Light Insane]
00:02:484 (9,1) - Combo should be swapped to match the music phrasing. See 00:08:872 (6,1)
00:28:408 (7) - I think more should be done to emphasize this note in particular, as it is the peak pitch, and marks the start of the alternating minor second. Maybe you can jump to it. note: I used a NC
01:25:538 (1) - Your streams are incorrectly grouped. The notes should be in groups of nine, as in the original Für Elise. You can see that these arpeggios are in groups of nine notes: http://puu.sh/mqY0y/ddfcd02f87.png
Well done.

All fixed
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175,195,98778,1,2,0:0:0:0:
344,176,98963,1,0,0:0:0:0:
228,108,99148,6,0,P|148:100|80:156,1,170,4|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
140,336,99704,1,0,0:0:0:0:
175,195,99889,1,2,0:0:0:0:
36,236,100074,1,0,0:0:0:0:
140,336,100259,2,0,L|328:348,1,170,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
392,288,100815,2,0,P|404:244|396:192,1,85,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,64,101185,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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408,60,101926,1,0,0:0:0:0:
455,242,102111,2,0,L|436:160,1,85,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,120,102482,6,0,L|298:284,2,170,0|2|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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104,260,103963,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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200,72,105074,5,2,0:0:0:0:
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Streliteela

612 posts

Joined January 2012

Topic Starter

Streliteela 2016-01-12T10:47:44+00:00

Update all diffs
And thanks to all modders above, really busy these days so I don't have time to reply, sorry for that :c

Metadata from wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DM_Ashura

PrtScr

ZZHBOY

1,649 posts

Joined April 2012

ZZHBOY 2016-01-12T15:00:46+00:00

臭s
[General]

我草
Found unused .wav files:
- soft-sliderslide.wav
- soft-hitclap.wav
你要不要考虑加点AudioLeadIn
三个颜色差别好像有点小我觉得也许可以让他们差别明显点至少和bg不要太接近我test的时候很蛋疼的

[Normal]

01:31:371 - 这个绿线怎么回事把去了
00:55:815 (1) - 这个转盘我建议延长到00:58:038 - 然后把00:58:038 (1,2) - 删了不然感觉有点奇怪
01:03:593 (3) - 这里我觉得放1拍滑条就可以了不然节奏听着有点乱 01:03:778 - 这个音类似音你不能全跟我觉得都不跟不就好
01:41:000 (4,1,2,3) - 唔虽然这几个stack打起来感觉不大但我觉得在最低难度里会让新人反应不过来我建议你把这里重新排列下把摆开不要stack
01:43:963 (5,1) - 不要stack 这种我觉得对新人很不友好建议把移开

[Hard]

00:27:667 (2,3) - 这两个音又不一样干嘛stack
00:34:334 (1,2) - 这个太太太远了把移近点这个距离在hard里不合适
00:35:075 (3,4,5,6) - 为什么你这么喜欢stack啊
00:43:408 (3) - 这里放单点就可以了那个音不明显的而且放这个1/4我觉得打起来很违和
01:01:371 (2) - 太远了移近点
01:03:593 (1) - 还是那个道理这种音你跟不全干脆别跟放一个1/4后面都是1/2感觉很违和建议这里也放1/2的节奏就好
01:34:333 (1,2) - 太远了
01:38:778 (3) - 这里也是跟着乐器放1/2就好
01:42:111 (6) - ^
01:52:852 (2,3) - 能不能别放这么远

[l4d]

00:04:150 (5) - 逆时针转5度如何感觉移上去更顺一点
00:16:741 (3,4) - 这两个这么近不违和吗
00:25:445 (3,4) - 不ctrl+g下么不然45那么近
00:35:445 (8,1) - 不觉得有点近吗
00:52:574 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - 我的建议是把这些删了因为这里连打太多了和hard的gap会有点大你这个diff拿来补set最好还是好好补
00:58:964 (4,5) - 是不是太近了
01:25:538 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - 用转盘带过或者break吧不然和hard的难度差太大了到
01:30:260 - 再继续map我觉得会比较好
01:41:185 (7,1) - 太近了吧
01:42:482 (1) - 向左下会让flow好点吧 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4320569
01:45:815 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - 不要有超过5的连打
01:46:926 (1) - 1/2明明有音强行放3/4干什么
01:48:037 (5) - 01:49:148 (1) - 01:51:370 (1) - 01:52:482 (4) - ^

[Insane]

00:21:371 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 在瞎跳什么移近点
00:38:408 (1,1) - 在乱nc什么这两个没必要nc
00:43:501 (6) - 这里后面好几个类似的音你都没跟这里放1/4还难打我建议把这个圈去了
01:01:001 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 别瞎跳这里放的莫名其妙跟前面一样摆近点就可以了
01:17:667 (3) - 这里我第一次打的时候没看到折返箭头请把箭头移到下面 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4320610
01:26:278 (9,1) - 01:27:112 (9,1) - 这个间距过大了要么每串最后两个用滑条代替要么这些overlap到不然这个很难打的
01:30:537 (4,1) - 01:30:907 (4,1) - ^
01:32:482 (1,2,3) - 这个我建议换成1/2的滑条 01:32:574 - 这个音不是很明显跟了反而显得很违和
01:33:408 (6,1,2,3) - 这个太难打了顺flow去摆不然不适合这个难度
01:34:333 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 在乱跳什么摆近点好好摆你自己能fc你自己的这个图吗
01:37:296 (2,3,4) - 换成一个1/2滑条比较好道理同前
01:45:815 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ?
01:48:222 - 这里节奏我建议这样或者你还是别跟这里1/4了 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4320644
01:49:519 (2,3,4) - ^
01:52:482 (1,2,3) - 你这种1/4很没意思
01:53:222 (1,2) - 放这个干什么偷偷告诉你个秘密如果把这些1/4的滑条换成等距1/2的圈pp更多不信你自己重开个图摆一下试试你这个连续的远距1/4滑条没任何道理

唔如果你愿意把非黑字的全部改了就喊我吧

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2016-01-12T23:11:55+00:00

Just wanted to say one more thing.

Insane:
01:25:538 - For these streams, it will be better to change the hitsound pattern too, placing whistle on (1,4,7) of each combo.

Good luck with your map~

Streliteela

612 posts

Joined January 2012

Topic Starter

Streliteela 2016-01-13T15:03:24+00:00

ZZHBOY wrote:
臭s 臭臭花
[General]
我草种种草
Found unused .wav files:
- soft-sliderslide.wav
- soft-hitclap.wav
删掉了
你要不要考虑加点AudioLeadIn 听小喵说现在已经自动补Leadin了，所以应该是不用加了吧
三个颜色差别好像有点小我觉得也许可以让他们差别明显点至少和bg不要太接近我test的时候很蛋疼的
改了三个新颜色
[Normal]
01:31:371 - 这个绿线怎么回事把去了好删了
00:55:815 (1) - 这个转盘我建议延长到00:58:038 - 然后把00:58:038 (1,2) - 删了不然感觉有点奇怪
试了一下感觉更奇怪了，还是不改了嗯
01:03:593 (3) - 这里我觉得放1拍滑条就可以了不然节奏听着有点乱 01:03:778 - 这个音类似音你不能全跟我觉得都不跟不就好
好，改了
01:41:000 (4,1,2,3) - 唔虽然这几个stack打起来感觉不大但我觉得在最低难度里会让新人反应不过来我建议你把这里重新排列下把摆开不要stack
好，改了
01:43:963 (5,1) - 不要stack 这种我觉得对新人很不友好建议把移开
好，改了
[Hard]
00:27:667 (2,3) - 这两个音又不一样干嘛stack 个人比较偏好用stack厚不厚啊_(:з」∠)_
00:34:334 (1,2) - 这个太太太远了把移近点这个距离在hard里不合适
缩小了一些
00:35:075 (3,4,5,6) - 为什么你这么喜欢stack啊嘛个人喜好_(:з」∠)_
00:43:408 (3) - 这里放单点就可以了那个音不明显的而且放这个1/4我觉得打起来很违和
好，改了
01:01:371 (2) - 太远了移近点调近了一些
01:03:593 (1) - 还是那个道理这种音你跟不全干脆别跟放一个1/4后面都是1/2感觉很违和建议这里也放1/2的节奏就好
好，改1/2了
01:34:333 (1,2) - 太远了调近了一些
01:38:778 (3) - 这里也是跟着乐器放1/2就好
好，改了
01:42:111 (6) - ^ 也改了
01:52:852 (2,3) - 能不能别放这么远能
[Insane]
00:21:371 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 在瞎跳什么移近点
哪有瞎跳！这多明显的几何跳而且试了一下我能打
00:38:408 (1,1) - 在乱nc什么这两个没必要nc
好，删了
00:43:501 (6) - 这里后面好几个类似的音你都没跟这里放1/4还难打我建议把这个圈去了
行，去掉了
01:01:001 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 别瞎跳这里放的莫名其妙跟前面一样摆近点就可以了
唔，想在这里下个跳的，改了一下顺序可能不那么别手了
01:17:667 (3) - 这里我第一次打的时候没看到折返箭头请把箭头移到下面 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4320610
好，改了
01:26:278 (9,1) - 01:27:112 (9,1) - 这个间距过大了要么每串最后两个用滑条代替要么这些overlap到不然这个很难打的
01:30:537 (4,1) - 01:30:907 (4,1) - ^
上面这两个地方我是想放一点点分段连打的，又不想太难所以就把每段调近了一些。试着打了打还行，如果再不行的话那么od-1？
01:32:482 (1,2,3) - 这个我建议换成1/2的滑条 01:32:574 - 这个音不是很明显跟了反而显得很违和
这段是有意放了一点点三连的，因为一直用1/2滑条感觉略单调，而且之前第一段kiai已经这么处理过了，这一段想加一点点三连增加一点打击密度
01:33:408 (6,1,2,3) - 这个太难打了顺flow去摆不然不适合这个难度
扭了扭角度
01:34:333 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - 在乱跳什么摆近点好好摆你自己能fc你自己的这个图吗
换了下顺序扭了扭角度嗯
01:37:296 (2,3,4) - 换成一个1/2滑条比较好道理同前
这个也不太想换了，原因和前面一样
01:45:815 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - ?
嗯，我知道是偶数分段连打，从这里开始到最后是难度增加的地方喵
01:48:222 - 这里节奏我建议这样或者你还是别跟这里1/4了 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4320644
感受了一下觉得不太喜欢
01:49:519 (2,3,4) - ^ ^
01:52:482 (1,2,3) - 你这种1/4很没意思哼
01:53:222 (1,2) - 放这个干什么偷偷告诉你个秘密如果把这些1/4的滑条换成等距1/2的圈pp更多不信你自己重开个图摆一下试试你这个连续的远距1/4滑条没任何道理
不不不，我这里是特意想要那两个斜向滑条的轨迹的。虽然玩家打的时候可能会处理成单点，但移动轨迹会多少受两个滑条影响从而让01:53:222 (1,2,3) - 划出一个三角形的轨迹。很像3/4拍指挥的手势啊有木有1111

Little wrote:
Just wanted to say one more thing.

Insane:
01:25:538 - For these streams, it will be better to change the hitsound pattern too, placing whistle on (1,4,7) of each combo.
k fixed the hitsound issue here :3

Good luck with your map~

Really thanks for your great mod, it's really helpful! Accepted almost everything you mentioned in the previous mod, and also this one :3
Also, thanks for your star~

Thanks for your modding!

Frey

1,205 posts

Joined February 2011

Frey 2016-01-13T15:50:30+00:00

ZZHBOY wrote:
[l4d]
00:04:150 (5) - 逆时针转5度如何感觉移上去更顺一点感觉影响不大，我相信我原来的判断。
00:16:741 (3,4) - 这两个这么近不违和吗不违和，又不是dj pop干嘛强求ds
00:25:445 (3,4) - 不ctrl+g下么不然45那么近感觉没必要加难度
00:35:445 (8,1) - 不觉得有点近吗不想跳这里。
00:52:574 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - 我的建议是把这些删了因为这里连打太多了和hard的gap会有点大你这个diff拿来补set最好还是好好补好吧，换成几个好混过去的4连。
00:58:964 (4,5) - 是不是太近了不是。明显的。
01:25:538 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - 用转盘带过或者break吧不然和hard的难度差太大了到
01:30:260 - 再继续map我觉得会比较好修改了可能绝对有争议的9连连打，现在的情况不是很糟，等下一个BN的说法，至少现在我觉得Gap还不是很厉害，因为目前6连加4折返特别好混过去。
01:41:185 (7,1) - 太近了吧 no，不改这里
01:42:482 (1) - 向左下会让flow好点吧 https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/4320569 不想做anti-flow，感觉不好。
01:45:815 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - 不要有超过5的连打唉，好吧，要是你来点就没办法，叹气。讨厌。
01:46:926 (1) - 1/2明明有音强行放3/4干什么最后kiai需要加一点难度，不然平平淡淡的过去了，很糟糕！而且这是华尔兹调，最好就是用3/4带，傻跟1/2。那里哪来的音？
01:48:037 (5) - 01:49:148 (1) - 01:51:370 (1) - 01:52:482 (4) - ^

谢谢mod，提了zzb，谢谢

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Streliteela

612 posts

Joined January 2012

Topic Starter

Streliteela 2016-01-14T08:10:11+00:00

All diffs updated~:D

ZZHBOY

1,649 posts

Joined April 2012

ZZHBOY 2016-01-14T08:17:47+00:00

recheck
hard: ar->7.5 od->5.5~6 hp->4.5 for spread

Streliteela

612 posts

Joined January 2012

Topic Starter

Streliteela 2016-01-14T09:27:43+00:00

ZZHBOY wrote:
recheck
hard: ar->7.5 od->5.5~6 hp->4.5 for spread

Ok fixed~:)

ZZHBOY

1,649 posts

Joined April 2012

ZZHBOY 2016-01-14T09:29:39+00:00

妥妥的√

Mint

1,607 posts

Joined February 2013

Mint 2016-02-09T14:10:52+00:00

Hey!

As your request... really sorry for late ;w;

General

* Not unrankable, but I found that 01:53:685 (1) - would work better if it ended on the blue tick (see Frey's diff) as the guitar stops there.

Hard

* 00:56:186 (4,5,6,1) - This is too harsh imo... and it's not even KIAI time ;w;
* 01:44:333 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - While I think this is a brilliant pattern, I do think this kinda ruins the spread a bit. Of course, you won't see any of these tap patterns in the Normal difficulty, but I don't recall any heavy single-tap patterns in Frey's diff either..

Frey

* 00:15:816 (1) - Could really use a hitsound... such a strong sound lol. It seems that many downbeats don't have hitsound at all and you many aim for piano emphasis.. that's also fine by me ^^
* 00:27:853 (4,5,6) - I find when you use a straight line with different spacing in the notes, it just plays weird to me? Maybe it's just me ._.
* 00:52:482 (1,2,3,4) - The main notes are on the red tick, but 00:53:038 - for example is just on a repeat, rather than being clickable. Would tweak the rhythm here a bit. (You can take a look at the Insane difficulty if you don't understand what I mean xd)
* 01:16:556 (2) - I know you love your symmetry/copypaste stuff.. but three notes instead of a long slider works much better for me, as you did map these sounds before at 01:15:445 (4,5) - 01:19:890 (3,4) - etc.
* 01:29:968 (3,4) - I really think using a slider instead of two 1/4 notes is much more player friendly (note that this is a Light Insane lol). The BPM has changed significantly 5 times in a row within one second... I don't think, even with the sliders, most players will be able to hit those notes with accuracy, even after multiple tries, seeing that the BPM changes from 162 -> 110 here..
* 01:31:371 - Remove the green line and change the volume + add KIAI setting of the red line. Currently the red & green line conflict with each other in terms of consistency. http://puu.sh/n1vGY/7ca0ac14aa.png
* 01:46:556 (6) - Increase distance to avoid overlap? You did that at slower sections as well (01:26:001 (6,1) - 01:26:834 (6,1) - etc.)

Insane

* 01:47:296 (2,3) - Not a major issue or anything, but I find using an offbeat rhythm here rather strange. You didn't really use this kind of stuff throughout the whole difficulty and the claps 'till now have been clickable, all except this one? Would use notes (something like 00:58:038 (1,2,3) - ) instead for better emphasis,

Metadata?

I really have my concerns about metadata. I've looked up 'Pump It Up Infinity' and it seems that it also appears in that game. I could only find this information on non-official website (such as Wikipedia, PIU fansites etc.). I checked the official US website and found 'Elise', with the Fiesta 2 tag after that (http://www.piugame.com/piu.top_chart/piu.song_chart_month.php).

Infinity is not listed on the official website, but Fiesta 2 is (http://www.piugame.com/piu.pumpitup/en/2_piu.software.php), under the name of PUMP IT UP - 2013 FIESTA 2 -

I checked the Korean website (http://www.piugame.com/piu.top_chart/piu.song_chart_month.php) , but then I found the title '엘리제'. There seems to be an English and and Korean title, according to the song list booklet (http://www.piugame.com/piu.prime/piu.intro/_down/piu_Prime_141128_Full_song_list_%281.00.0ver%29.pdf) (from the official site).

My guess would be:

Artist: DM Ashura
Title: Elise
Romanised title: 엘리제
Source: PUMP IT UP - 2013 FIESTA 2 -
Add to tags: infinity

But this isn't reliable either... from the SoundCloud (offical) page of the song (https://soundcloud.com/dmashura/elise), no Korean title can be found.

All this meta stuff is so confusing x_x
Better ask Gamu, IamKwaN etc....

Please get more confirmation on this ._.

Well.. I hope you can get confirmation ._.
Feel free to call me back after you're done :3/

Frey

1,205 posts

Joined February 2011

Frey 2016-02-12T13:58:14+00:00

appleeaterx wrote:
Frey

* 00:15:816 (1) - Could really use a hitsound... such a strong sound lol. It seems that many downbeats don't have hitsound at all and you many aim for piano emphasis.. that's also fine by me ^^ well, I tried many times. It seems that add hitsounds at downbeats of a waltz song is not a good choice. It just...plays not good.
* 00:27:853 (4,5,6) - I find when you use a straight line with different spacing in the notes, it just plays weird to me? Maybe it's just me ._. maybe;;w;;
* 00:52:482 (1,2,3,4) - The main notes are on the red tick, but 00:53:038 - for example is just on a repeat, rather than being clickable. Would tweak the rhythm here a bit. (You can take a look at the Insane difficulty if you don't understand what I mean xd) fixed
* 01:16:556 (2) - I know you love your symmetry/copypaste stuff.. but three notes instead of a long slider works much better for me, as you did map these sounds before at 01:15:445 (4,5) - 01:19:890 (3,4) - etc. I think it's fine cuz I did the same rthythm at 01:07:667 (2) - , so it's not an individual example.
* 01:29:968 (3,4) - I really think using a slider instead of two 1/4 notes is much more player friendly (note that this is a Light Insane lol). The BPM has changed significantly 5 times in a row within one second... I don't think, even with the sliders, most players will be able to hit those notes with accuracy, even after multiple tries, seeing that the BPM changes from 162 -> 110 here.. fixed and changed the NC
* 01:31:371 - [b]Remove the green line and change the volume + add KIAI setting of the red line. Currently the red & green line conflict with each other in terms of consistency. fixed
* 01:46:556 (6) - Increase distance to avoid overlap? You did that at slower sections as well (01:26:001 (6,1) - 01:26:834 (6,1) - etc.) fixed

Thanks for your mod apple!

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46,187,111741,2,0,P|24:268|24:300,1,85,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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180,72,112482,2,0,P|152:132|140:228,1,127.5,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
140,193,112852,6,0,L|240:220,1,85,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
384,96,113222,1,2,0:0:0:0:
256,128,113407,1,0,0:0:0:0:
320,244,113593,1,4,0:0:0:0:
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Streliteela

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Streliteela 2016-02-15T12:18:25+00:00

appleeaterx wrote:
Hey! Hihi apple-chan OwO/

As your request... really sorry for late ;w; nvm~I know you are really busy in modding and mapping OvQ

:idea: General

* Not unrankable, but I found that 01:53:685 (1) - would work better if it ended on the blue tick (see Frey's diff) as the guitar stops there.
Yea I agree with you, fixed it in both 3 diffs <3

Hard

* 00:56:186 (4,5,6,1) - This is too harsh imo... and it's not even KIAI time ;w;
Okay changed the order of the objects, hope it better now :3
* 01:44:333 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - While I think this is a brilliant pattern, I do think this kinda ruins the spread a bit. Of course, you won't see any of these tap patterns in the Normal difficulty, but I don't recall any heavy single-tap patterns in Frey's diff either..
Yea really...changed the pattern and used sliders instead of those heavy single taps ;w;

Insane

* 01:47:296 (2,3) - Not a major issue or anything, but I find using an offbeat rhythm here rather strange. You didn't really use this kind of stuff throughout the whole difficulty and the claps 'till now have been clickable, all except this one? Would use notes (something like 00:58:038 (1,2,3) - ) instead for better emphasis
Nice suggestion! Changed the pattern here

Well.. I hope you can get confirmation ._.
Feel free to call me back after you're done :3/

Thanks apple-chan for your really nice and helpful mod~~:D

And about the metadata problem, I've sent checking request to IamKwan and here's her checking reply:

Metadata confirmation

So I've changed the metadata as what she told me~also added 'Infinity' and the Korean translation title to the tag >wO~Thanks for your metadata checking~>w<

Updated all diffs~please recheck~:3

Mint

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Mint 2016-02-15T19:17:35+00:00

Looks good to me :3
Qualified!

xtrem3x

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xtrem3x 2016-02-16T01:10:09+00:00

Source: Pump It Up Fiesta 2 or PIU Fiesta 2

2013 is complementary with title but not nessesary

IamKwaN

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IamKwaN 2016-02-16T01:24:09+00:00

Please take a look at apple's thread on this.

Little

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Little 2016-02-16T01:34:52+00:00

Grats!

Streliteela

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Streliteela 2016-02-16T01:50:52+00:00

Thanks everyone >w<

Myxo

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Myxo 2016-02-16T09:28:36+00:00

Lovely map! ♥

Mao

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Mao 2016-02-16T10:09:25+00:00

Grats!

Bonsai

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Bonsai 2016-02-16T20:08:50+00:00

Oy, I have a few concerns about the highest diff : \

01:25:538 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - While I understand the rhythm that you are mapping here, it is at least for me hardly recongizable at 100%, even though I listened to it a lot of times slowed down and really force myself to hearing it, but it doesn't really work because the piano doesn't set any real accents, it's just a melody that might play that rhythm which hasn't appeared in the song before but it might as well be a complete different rhythm - What I'm getting at is that I think this is the worst possible place to introduce streamjumps in the map, because the rhythm itself is not recognizable easily, and streamjumps need a very confident control over your finger movement and that is not really possible when you might not even get the rhythm itself, and the player can't expect streamjumps at all as they haven't appeared before. As I mentioned already, the piano doesn't set any accents, so I don't really understand what these streamjumps should represent anyways, just making turning points like in all previous streams would be totally sufficient imo, or inserting reverse-sliders and then starting the jumps from their tails.
Not even minding that pattern, introducing streamjumps after 75% is questionable anyways imo, especially since I don't see any strong sounds in particular that get emphasized at 01:30:630 (1,1) that haven't been present at the streams from the first Kiais too, like 00:30:630 (1,5) -, and not minding that I don't understand why 01:31:277 (4,1) isn't a jump either. And ofc the same applies to 01:45:815 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - I think you should either introduce streamjumps earlier on or don't use them that late, and express the slightly higher song intensity differently, for example by just spacing the streams themselves more.
Why are 01:34:889 (4,5) and 01:50:815 (6,7) so big, inconsistent with it's equivalent patterns? (these two jumps are in the same kind of section but you emphasized completely different beats) - same goes for 01:01:556 (4,5)
And 01:45:074 (1,2,3,4) seems a bit too much too, there is no circle-jump in the whole diff that is bigger than (3,4) although this is only a buildup, not even the end of the buildup, so the intensity shouldn't be at it's highest point already imo; And along with the jumps I already pointed out and 01:52:667 (3,4,5,1) -, these are the biggest jumps in the whole map, which seems pretty inconsistent/imbalanced as those specific notes are not more intense than the rest of the section they are in, but much higher spaced o:
rather minor: 01:23:964 (2) - I think this could use a NC for drain-balance, just prior to this you have a lot of combos that are just 1/1 or 2/1 long with notes on at least every white tick and then suddenly a 8/1-combo with only two notes in it, seems really imbalanced to me
even more minor: 01:42:482 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - How about decreasing the SV a bit too? Bc rn the song gets quieter a lot and you reduce the hitsound-volume too, but the effective gameplay stays exactly the same which isn't quite right imo
and lastly, but again very minor, all these points like 00:18:778 - 00:34:334 -01:01:001 - etc. - I can see why you put the hitsounds like that, because the piano plays this rather uncommon rhythm, but hitsounding it as if it were 2/4- or 4/4-signature too feels way too confusing, after all the song is still in 3/4-signature and the piano has a slight variety, but that doesn't change the structure of the whole song here imo, so I'd rather you just hitsounded those like normal 3/4-measures

So yeah, sorry if I seem rude or anything like that, I'd just really like to have your expalanation for these points, and also hear what other qualified people think of them, because to me these few patterns make the whole map feel imbalanced, which is a pity

Okoratu

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Okoratu 2016-02-16T21:46:19+00:00

the streamjumps baumi mentioned work fine for me, even though splitting them like this seems odd to me because the actual accents where it starts over are at 01:26:556 - and 01:27:297 - so splitting them like http://puu.sh/nauOt/95771af43b.jpg would have worked just as well

if this should dq for what bonsai said you could fix the stack at 00:51:741 (3,4,5) - which looks pretty odd lol

Little

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Little 2016-02-16T23:37:20+00:00

The stream jumps are totally fine imo. In fact, they actually help to highlight the rhythm, and the accents in the song (which ARE correct in the map).

kisata

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kisata 2016-02-17T00:05:54+00:00

Okoratu wrote:
the streamjumps baumi mentioned work fine for me, even though splitting them like this seems odd to me because the actual accents where it starts over are at 01:26:556 - and 01:27:297 - so splitting them like http://puu.sh/nauOt/95771af43b.jpg would have worked just as well

Slow down the music to 25% and listen to it over and over again a few times.

Each is a repeating sequence of nine notes, one higher after the other. While 01:26:649 (4) - sonically stands out due to it's loudness, splitting it here I think would be incorrect in terms of the note sequence.

The argument should be whether stream jumps are appropriate in the pattern at large, not whether they were incorrectly divided/sequenced. The mapper split them correctly.

Little

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Little 2016-02-17T00:25:20+00:00

Little wrote:
The notes should be in groups of nine, as in the original Für Elise. You can see that these arpeggios are in groups of nine notes: http://puu.sh/mqY0y/ddfcd02f87.png The notes should be groups like this, with emphasis on (1) and (7) of each combo: http://puu.sh/mqYzJ/5ff139d9c4.jpg

For reference.

Okoratu

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Okoratu 2016-02-17T00:57:28+00:00

oh ooops they're cool, totally

Bonsai

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Bonsai 2016-02-17T01:02:44+00:00

Yeah, I didn't really complain about the grouping itself, just that it's very unintuitive for the player and hence should be mapped easier imo

Also, according to the reference Little posted, the timing signature is off, right? (there's a power breakdown in my village rn so I can't check anything lol, but I think it's off by 1/4 iirc)

(also, I pointed out more than just the streamjumps)

Little

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Little 2016-02-17T01:12:35+00:00

Bonsai wrote:
Yeah, I didn't really complain about the grouping itself, just that it's very unintuitive for the player and hence should be mapped easier imo

Also, according to the reference Little posted, the timing signature is off, right? (there's a power breakdown in my village rn so I can't check anything lol, but I think it's off by 1/4 iirc)

No, I think that's just how the music artist decided to interpret it.
I find those streams intuitive to play. They go well with the music and apply emphasis to the significant beats. I mean yeah, the last three notes of each stream could be turned into a 1/4 repeat slider to make it "easier", but I don't think that makes it any more intuitive than the current pattern.

Streliteela

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Streliteela 2016-02-17T07:43:41+00:00

Something to explain:

1. About the spacing pattern in 01:25:538 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - : Just see what Little have said above, his explanation is almost what I want to explain.

2. About the big jump in 01:34:889 (4,5) - and 01:50:815 (6,7) - : Firstly, both of them are in the last kiai part, which I deliberately increase the difficulty, by using big jumps and speed-up sliders. Secondly, these jumps are not only make for fun, but also work for patterns. Take 01:50:815 (6,7) - as an example, it's actually a part of a 'invisible' square pattern（see the red square in the image）:

SPOILER

3. About the NC: I don't think it's essential; As I have use NC in 01:22:482 (1) - , it's no need to use other nc to emphasize 01:23:964 (2) - alone, since there's no rhythm differences between them.

4. About 01:42:482 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - : Sry but I wanna keep this pattern

5. About the hitsound: I really don't understand where I'm wrong, as I'm not a professional musician, even I don't know anything about music theory. I just know that it doesn't confuse players and fits the music well imo. So I think that's not a serious problem.

Anyway thanks for your opinions~
@Little: Thanks for helping me so many times, really really appreciate ;w; If you need any help feel free to poke me~>w<

AncuL

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AncuL 2016-02-17T14:37:45+00:00

Is "3/4 waltz time" necessary for the tag?
Also as told before, the source should be "Pump It Up Fiesta 2"

Bonsai

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Bonsai 2016-02-17T14:53:33+00:00

Streliteela wrote:
Something to explain:

1. About the spacing pattern in 01:25:538 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - : Just see what Little have said above, his explanation is almost what I want to explain.
Yeah the grouping of the notes is correct and it seems like everybody thinks the streamjumps are fine too, but still: Why are 01:31:277 (4,1) and 01:46:833 (4,1) not spaced like the others? The downbeat is the most important beat after all o:

2. About the big jump in 01:34:889 (4,5) - and 01:50:815 (6,7) - : Firstly, both of them are in the last kiai part, which I deliberately increase the difficulty, by using big jumps and speed-up sliders. Secondly, these jumps are not only make for fun, but also work for patterns. Take 01:50:815 (6,7) - as an example, it's actually a part of a 'invisible' square pattern（see the red square in the image）:
SPOILER
Well, I don't see any pattern for 01:35:074 (5) really (and that 'invisible sqaure' doesn't even make sense since it's incomplete, putting (7) at 383:118 would make much more sense), but even so, the priority in mapping should not be to make patterns because they are cool, patterns should still be according to the music, and those are definitely not as they empahsize random beats just to have difficulty-spikes towards the end of the song when not supported by music, the overall spacing is bigger already, why do you need to add sudden big jumps on top of that?

3. About the NC: I don't think it's essential; As I have use NC in 01:22:482 (1) - , it's no need to use other nc to emphasize 01:23:964 (2) - alone, since there's no rhythm differences between them.
It's not to emphasize that note, it's to keep the drain more balanced as there are barely are only three notes for 8/1 which is pretty imbalanced, if you missed any of the previous notes you are pretty certain to fail here

4. About 01:42:482 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - : Sry but I wanna keep this pattern
Decreasing the SV wouldn't destroy the pattern, it would just make the sliders slightly shorter which would be really nice imo!

5. About the hitsound: I really don't understand where I'm wrong, as I'm not a professional musician, even I don't know anything about music theory. I just know that it doesn't confuse players and fits the music well imo. So I think that's not a serious problem.
The song is 3/4 but on those places you hitsounded it like it's 2/4 or 4/4 because you put a Whistle at 00:34:704 (3) even though it's the downbeat, but didn't put one at 00:34:334 (1) which is the upbeat - Just compare it with the rest of the song, you hitsounded differently there and it doesn't fit the measure

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