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Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
Does anyone else feel that Candy Galy is an inappropriate choice for the 4th dan boss map? I know it's supposed to be the hardest map of the set, but bangin burst as the 1 dan set didn't feel at a completely different level than Candy Galy was. (The 2 and 3 dan boss maps didn't feel like boss maps to me but that's a different story.) My mate abraker even had to struggle a little to get past this set with 96% because of candy galy even though he's nearly 5th dan at the moment.

If I compare my own results on the first three maps (on a good day because I've played them too much), then each one is around an S and I end love live somewhere between 94.5-95.5. Candy galy makes me drop all the way down to 91-92; this puts my 4 dan results on par with my 5th dan results. Individually it's barely an A and sometimes a B. Being so far removed in results from the other 4th dan maps really makes me question why it's there. Also dans below 7 haven't been refreshed.

I just have a feeling aiae MX would work better as a boss map. Mostly because I like the idea of MX and SC being 4th -> 5th jump but also because if I compare my results on the first 3 4-dan maps to my aiae MX results, they're about similar. (Actually make candy galy 5th dan and aiae mx 4th huaheuahue)
AncuL
1,114 posts
Joined March 2013
AncuL

Khelly wrote:

I just have a feeling aiae MX would work better as a boss map. Mostly because I like the idea of MX and SC being 4th -> 5th jump but also because if I compare my results on the first 3 4-dan maps to my aiae MX results, they're about similar. (Actually make candy galy 5th dan and aiae mx 4th huaheuahue)
i dont think having two charts from the same song will be appropriate. there is actually a lot more maps in the pending/graveyard section though
Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
I'd rather see two charts from the same map than having one that is inappropriate in difficulty for its level. But that's just my opinion on candy galy and I don't know how anyone else feels about it.
Jepetski
99 posts
Joined December 2013
Jepetski
yes
zero2snow
69 posts
Joined January 2016
zero2snow
4k 5th dan clear
http://puu.sh/pXWIu/796d1a5b62.jpg
http://puu.sh/pXWKY/ae2c4baa02.jpg
I can't do fast songs like bangin' burst QAQ
Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun

Khelly wrote:

I'd rather see two charts from the same map than having one that is inappropriate in difficulty for its level. But that's just my opinion on candy galy and I don't know how anyone else feels about it.
I don't know what's going on

(18m ago score as #8 on 4 dan)

https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5587005 94.2/94.2/94.1/91.9
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5586998 96.5/96.2/95.2/94

This is why I don't think Candy Galy is right but no one else has commented on it yet except Lampranthus and he thinks it's ok.
Shoegazer
osu!mania Paragon
528 posts
Joined April 2013
Topic Starter
Shoegazer

zero2snow wrote:

4k 5th dan clear
http://puu.sh/pXWIu/796d1a5b62.jpg
http://puu.sh/pXWKY/ae2c4baa02.jpg
I can't do fast songs like bangin' burst QAQ
Added your score, but do post in the right thread next time: t/304735

Khelly wrote:

Khelly wrote:

I'd rather see two charts from the same map than having one that is inappropriate in difficulty for its level. But that's just my opinion on candy galy and I don't know how anyone else feels about it.
I don't know what's going on

(18m ago score as #8 on 4 dan)

https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5587005 94.2/94.2/94.1/91.9
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5586998 96.5/96.2/95.2/94

This is why I don't think Candy Galy is right but no one else has commented on it yet except Lampranthus and he thinks it's ok.
I initially overestimated the difficulty of Candy Galy mainly because I forgot that there's this steep learning curve that dense jumpstream has that is not present in any of the other charts in 4th dan - there's also the fact that Candy Galy is pretty fast to begin with.

It's definitely a mistake on my part, but I'm not sure if I'm going to change songs or not. We could use the same song for different dan courses (the old Luminal dan had AiAe, for example) - but I prefer not to do it unless it's absolutely necessary. I'll try to find a light JS stamina chart eventually.
Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
Deleted and reposting because most of what I said was invalidated with a discovery.

Maybe it's just a mental thing on my part but Candy Galy is weird. I played Japanese Transformation ht (which is od9) and got 91% and looking through the replay, it's the same type of dense JS pattern. (Or not; I only see it being 2 1 2 1 2 1 in the JS parts in terms of how many notes there are just like CG) Meanwhile my best on Candy Galy at od8 is only 92% or so on the individual map BUT that's with 3/4 of the map being nothing but easy to acc fluff so my score on the JS part might as well be like 83%.

Also I think if you want a light stamina JS map you should look at Southern Cross Hard 14 (from some yolomania pack iirc?); I think this is a completely perfect choice and as a bonus it has consistent difficulty and isn't free acc for the first 50% like Candy Galy.
KJY
6 posts
Joined December 2015
KJY




9th dan passed lol
KJY
6 posts
Joined December 2015
KJY




10th dan passed fuck god...
Shoegazer
osu!mania Paragon
528 posts
Joined April 2013
Topic Starter
Shoegazer
Nice scores, but do post in the proper thread next time.
Shoegazer
osu!mania Paragon
528 posts
Joined April 2013
Topic Starter
Shoegazer
Just going to point out that snover has decided to make a Tachyon v3, because he overestimated the difficulty of a couple of charts in the course. The coruse is overall harder. Should be uploading that in a few days, I'm posting this just as a forewarning for anyone who is trying to go for Tachyon at the moment.

SPOILER
t+pazolite with siromaru - Chambarising [Challenge 1.2x] (Evening) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/923888&m=3
DJ Sharpnel - Over the Fullereneshift [Komm, susser Tod 1.4x] (Fullerene-/Wiosna) - https://osu.ppy.sh/s/189224
goreshit - o'er the flood [1.5x] (IcyWorld) - Nuclear Blast 5
LV.4 - Angel Dust [-DESPAIR-] (snover) - Timdam Snackpack

Tachyon v2 scores would be nulled, but you'll still have a flair to show that you have passed an old version of Tachyon regardless. I'm still allowing Tachyon v2 scores however - but that flair will not be your predominant flair unless you have never passed any of the previous dans.
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Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
I think it's in poor taste to make an official version of a dan that uses rates for the courses instead of 1.0 maps.

Would any v3 of dan 1 through luminal use 1.1 up or 0.9 and down? If not then why is Tachyon different?
Shoegazer
osu!mania Paragon
528 posts
Joined April 2013
Topic Starter
Shoegazer

Khelly wrote:

I think it's in poor taste to make an official version of a dan that uses rates for the courses instead of 1.0 maps.

Would any v3 of dan 1 through luminal use 1.1 up or 0.9 and down? If not then why is Tachyon different?
Limited variety of charts is really the only reason why rates are used. Nobody really makes charts of super high difficulty, even less so when it comes to charts that are actually compatible for the given difficulty range that Tachyon has (skillsets as well). This won't be the case for any dan lower than Tachyon because there are ample charts in that range that can be picked from.

There probably won't be v3 dan courses. I personally didn't really want to do much with the other dan courses (except for maybe 4th and 8th dans) because I think it'll just be a never-ending cycle of what can be improved on, but it was a contribution on snover's part and I didn't really see a strong reason to reject the idea given that Tachyon v2 has an unintended difficulty drop (Exile). Same applies for 4th dan and 8th dan, but in the opposite direction (difficulty spikes).
Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
Hi shoegazer

I got really bored today because I wasn't playing well at all and I decided to re-imagine the 4th dan course because I think it's the only one that's really bad. Tell me how bad you think the map selection is (or not :<) because today I've been polling every 3-4d player (Who has played current 4 dan) I know.

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/505947

SPOILER








Shoegazer
osu!mania Paragon
528 posts
Joined April 2013
Topic Starter
Shoegazer
What is the third song in 4th dan? Never seen that chart before. The difficulty range seems generally fine, but the sync is a bit wonky - which can be amended manually anyway.
Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun

Shoegazer wrote:

What is the third song in 4th dan? Never seen that chart before. The difficulty range seems generally fine, but the sync is a bit wonky - which can be amended manually anyway.

Christraping black breakcore

I am unaware of where I got it in stepmania (and as an osu mania convert)
princesswell
129 posts
Joined August 2014
princesswell

Khelly wrote:

Christraping black breakcore

I am unaware of where I got it in stepmania (and as an osu mania convert)
It's from yolo 2 if I remember correctly
Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
Dan 4 = yolomania
Shoegazer
osu!mania Paragon
528 posts
Joined April 2013
Topic Starter
Shoegazer
4th Dan and Tachyon courses have been updated. You have 24 hours as of this post to submit your 4th Dan v1/Tachyon v2 scores. No other courses have been affected.

DL link to updated dan courses
SPOILER
4th Dan (δ-4)
OSTER project - Devilz Sacrifice (Fullerene-) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/563157
Bach ft. West Village - Black Cloak Skeleton (porkypink) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/563157
XACKSECKS - Christraping Black Breakcore (MrTea) - Yolomania Vol. 2
Alex c. feat. Yasmin K. - Angel of Darkness (Leo137) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/563157


Tachyon (ε-δ)
t+pazolite with siromaru - Chambarising [Challenge 1.2x] (Evening) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/923888&m=3
DJ Sharpnel - Cyber Induction (cut) [1.4x] (IcyWorld) - Nuclear Blast 4
Camellia - shadows of cats [1.2x] (Wafles) - Dump Parade
LV.4 - Angel Dust [-DESPAIR-] (snover) - timdam snackpack

This will probably be the last time Tachyon will be updated, and probably the last time the dan courses will be updated in general. Like before, there will be new leaderboards, and your flair will be differentiated from the older passes if you pass this course. Tachyon v3 is noticeably harder than Tachyon v2. 4th Dan v2 should be noticeably easier than 4th Dan v1, due to the absence of Candy Galy (and being substituted with an easier chart). As usual, thanks for the people involved. Their names have been credited accordingly in the metadata of the dan courses.
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InabaYap
41 posts
Joined November 2012
InabaYap
Barely cleared 4th dan v2 in one try, while my best in v1 is 95.05%.

If this is intended, thanks khelly.
Asrielly
64 posts
Joined May 2013
Asrielly
snover had the idea for tachyon v3
eze updated the v3 on 9/11
so I guess the truth is finland + singapore teamed up to do 9/11
edit: it's true guys

edit v2: one of the masterminds decided to help me
Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun

InabaYap wrote:

Barely cleared 4th dan v2 in one try, while my best in v1 is 95.05%.

If this is intended, thanks khelly.

This is very much intended; candy galy (and honestly the other maps but they were ok) made 4 dan v1 unfun to play and clear even if you were at that skill level imo. I had to skip 4th and get 5th first because of that. Hopefully more people can be encouraged now to clear 4th dan.

The first map should be relatively easy introduction to 4th dan but still test JS and jumptrill skills that I don't remember if 3rd dan has at all because 4th dan starts the transition into Stepmania mapping styles. I think anyone who's progressed past 4th dan will find this map completely 99% trivial, but for a new 3rd dan who's decided "I want to test out 4th dan", you can't exactly play it on autopilot.

If you learn to play the 2nd map well you should be prepared for learning to play that was too slow in 5th dan since jacking becomes a skill at this point.

The third map is a speed map where you might need to (or not) learn that you can jumptrill the 4321 4321 patterns like in the burst in Grief and Malice. The various repeated patterns especially at the end remind me of 403 forbidden in a way. It might seem a bit too long but in terms of note count the maps are still weighted 20/20/30/30 roughly.

The 4th map is a better light (and sometimes dense) stamina jumpstream map. Personally I don't think it's as hard as Black cloak skeleton or Breakcore, but it fits the theme of the last map being stamina JS like in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, and 10th(?) dan. If you're attempting to clear 4th dan and don't have better stamina it'll probably be really hard seeing as you just came from playing breakcore.
AbsurdDive
141 posts
Joined June 2014
AbsurdDive
I'll man up and try these

Juankristal sent me here... if i suffer any injuries while attempting them..you know who I'm gonna blame..

:^)


Thanks for this thread man! :D
DoNotMess
485 posts
Joined May 2012
DoNotMess
it would be good if u provide training songs that are the same level with each dans
BECAUSE I'M STRUGGLING ...
Hinpoppo
184 posts
Joined February 2015
Hinpoppo

DoNotMess wrote:

it would be good if u provide training songs that are the same level with each dans
BECAUSE I'M STRUGGLING ...
Try to think logically about it and find charts similar to difficulty as the ones in the Dans. For example in 10th Dan, if you need to find training charts for The Lost Dedicated, try to find some 130bpm dense jacks to help with the chart; The same applies with Connect 1986. A lot of speed dump charts are also a lower bpm with higher snaps; if you look at around the 140bpm range you can probably find some good charts there too.

There are a lot of charts around that level, you just need to explore with more of an eye for identifying them.
Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =946091962

kappa
Hikona
744 posts
Joined October 2014
Hikona
Nice system, dan for mania
JustinNF
107 posts
Joined December 2014
JustinNF
4th dan v2 hype?
AbsurdDive
141 posts
Joined June 2014
AbsurdDive

DoNotMess wrote:

it would be good if u provide training songs that are the same level with each dans
BECAUSE I'M STRUGGLING ...

i found (at least on the first three) that some patterns are similar to their single counterparts (the first dan's final song has the same gonad breaking ending than the original song) hahaha

if you search each individual song you would find a "logical" ground level to practice each dan ^^
Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
The first three use ranked maps and aren't very uhh...

They have the quality of ranked osu mania
Febrimillia-Kun
Febrimillia-Kun
I like The All Pack Map Luminal ^^
Shoegazer
osu!mania Paragon
528 posts
Joined April 2013
Topic Starter
Shoegazer
Pre-Christmas updates, hopefully the last updates for this.

Khelly/Yuudachi-kun has decided to redo the first 3 dan courses, due to the lower chart quality in the first three courses. The first three dans should be around the same difficulty, though you can find some patterning to be frustrating due to the anchory nature of some of the charts in the courses. I should be uploading these courses in the next few days - so this is a forewarning for anyone who is going for 1st to 3rd Dan in the next 48 hours. This also means that all scores for 1st to 3rd Dan v1 will be invalidated.

Dan courses in this range are OD7.5 and HP8. These courses have 10 second breaks between songs.
SPOILER
1st Dan (δ-1)
9nine - Cross Over [Medium] (Golgo13) - SMOC 8th
Ryu* - Second Heaven [4K Another] (Spy) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/378316
ARM feat. Nanahira - Bakunana*Testroyer [MEDIUM] (Rinzler) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/721999
Vospi - Reverence [Hard] (Side) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1006357

2nd Dan (δ-2)
Suzaku - VANESSA [4K HD] (Quick Draw) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/467656
M2U - The Prince of Darkness [4K HD] (leqek) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/392677
Camellia - Routing [Chickening's Hard] ([ A v a l o n ]) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/983252
Colorful Sounds Port - ETERNAL DRAIN [Hyper] (Wh1teh) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1002503

3rd Dan (δ-3)
Rche - entelecheia [Hyper] (Starry-) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1018853
Transin - Soul Destructor [MX] (pporse) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/530768
dj TAKA feat.AiMEE - True Blue [victorica's ExTrA] (ZZHBOY) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/956012
Camellia as "Bang Riot" - Blastix Riotz [ADVANCED] (Fresh Chicken) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/770124

You might notice that the MP3 quality of some of these songs are garbage as well, Soul Destructor is the most notable example. All complaints go to Khelly for that.

Second update, there will now be backgrounds for all 4K dan courses. Sparx555 and sinewave have made backgrounds for these dan courses to make them easier to differentiate from other dan courses and to create a more "professional" presentation. You are of course, still allowed to use the ones with no background or the ones uploaded by pikechu (and other people who have uploaded the dan courses online), as long as the dan courses are the most updated versions.

This should be the last update for any dan course. While there is a notable error in 8th dan (Kaguyahime/Brute Force being too difficult), I don't think it's fruitful to really change it further. 5th dan is by far the most popular dan course played (and is received very well) and it will be a really bad idea to change anything about it. 6th dan doesn't seem to have any notable errors, maybe sans Bangin' Burst.

Thank you to everyone involved, and apologies for the inconvenience to players who are currently 1st to 3rd Dan.

Oh yeah, there are 4K LN dan courses if that tickles your fancy too. Give arcwinolivirus' 4K LN tier courses if that tickles your fancy.
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Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
DDMythical
DDMythical

Shoegazer wrote:

Pre-Christmas updates, hopefully the last updates for this.

Khelly/Yuudachi-kun has decided to redo the first 3 dan courses, due to the lower chart quality in the first three courses. The first three dans should be around the same difficulty, though you can find some patterning to be frustrating due to the anchory nature of some of the charts in the courses. I should be uploading these courses in the next few days - so this is a forewarning for anyone who is going for 1st to 3rd Dan in the next 48 hours. This also means that all scores for 1st to 3rd Dan v1 will be invalidated.

Dan courses in this range are OD7.5 and HP8. These courses have 10 second breaks between songs.
SPOILER
1st Dan (δ-1)
9nine - Cross Over [Medium] (Golgo13) - SMOC 8th
Ryu* - Second Heaven [4K Another] (Spy) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/378316
ARM feat. Nanahira - Bakunana*Testroyer [MEDIUM] (Rinzler) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/721999
Vospi - Reverence [Hard] (Side) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1006357

2nd Dan (δ-2)
Suzaku - VANESSA [4K HD] (Quick Draw) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/467656
M2U - The Prince of Darkness [4K HD] (leqek) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/392677
Camellia - Routing [Chickening's Hard] ([ A v a l o n ]) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/983252
Colorful Sounds Port - ETERNAL DRAIN [Hyper] (Wh1teh) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1002503

3rd Dan (δ-3)
Rche - entelecheia [Hyper] (Starry-) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1018853
Transin - Soul Destructor [MX] (pporse) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/530768
dj TAKA feat.AiMEE - True Blue [victorica's ExTrA] (ZZHBOY) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/956012
Camellia as "Bang Riot" - Blastix Riotz [ADVANCED] (Fresh Chicken) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/770124

You might notice that the MP3 quality of some of these songs are garbage as well, Soul Destructor is the most notable example. All complaints go to Khelly for that.

Second update, there will now be backgrounds for all 4K dan courses. Sparx555 and sinewave have made backgrounds for these dan courses to make them easier to differentiate from other dan courses and to create a more "professional" presentation. You are of course, still allowed to use the ones with no background or the ones uploaded by pikechu (and other people who have uploaded the dan courses online), as long as the dan courses are the most updated versions.

This should be the last update for any dan course. While there is a notable error in 8th dan (Kaguyahime/Brute Force being too difficult), I don't think it's fruitful to really change it further. 5th dan is by far the most popular dan course played (and is received very well) and it will be a really bad idea to change anything about it. 6th dan doesn't seem to have any notable errors, maybe sans Bangin' Burst.

Thank you to everyone involved, and apologies for the inconvenience to players who are currently 1st to 3rd Dan.
WE DID IT BOYS
Shoegazer
osu!mania Paragon
528 posts
Joined April 2013
Topic Starter
Shoegazer
Actually I might as well post the download links now.
1st Dan to 3rd Dan

You have 24 hours to post your 1st to 3rd Dan v1 scores. Any score past that point will be voided.

Thanks to Khelly for poking me non-stop about this. Also he told me to post this to avoid misdirected slander:

Yuudachi-kun wrote:

abraker and mithew for helping decide what charts to put in for 1st and 2nd Dan.
DDMythical for helping me pick charts for 3rd Dan.
Side and Staravia for fixing the sync for 1st and 2nd Dan.
Sparx555 for making initial graphics and the general design and sinewave for creating the rest of the graphics.
The rest of the backgrounds are in the download links of the original post.
katiexie
15 posts
Joined February 2015
katiexie
I have tried a lot of time and could not pass the 7Dan v2 with 95.52acc because of the go for it only got 92acc。But I can get 95.57acc :cry: in the 8dan v1 and 95.2acc in 9dan v1 :cry: :cry:
Yuudachi-kun
5,432 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun

katiexie wrote:

I have tried a lot of time and could not pass the 7Dan v2 with 95.52acc because of the go for it only got 92acc。But I can get 95.57acc :cry: in the 8dan v1 and 95.2acc in 9dan v1 :cry: :cry:

Hey this is the exact same problem I had. (95.99% on 7 dan teice because go for it 92%)

Then I got 96% on 9th dan and dont have to worry about 7.
Razzy
256 posts
Joined January 2016
Razzy

Yuudachi-kun wrote:

katiexie wrote:

I have tried a lot of time and could not pass the 7Dan v2 with 95.52acc because of the go for it only got 92acc。But I can get 95.57acc :cry: in the 8dan v1 and 95.2acc in 9dan v1 :cry: :cry:

Hey this is the exact same problem I had. (95.99% on 7 dan teice because go for it 92%)

Then I got 96% on 9th dan and dont have to worry about 7.
What did you get on Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You again, compared to Go For It?
Yuudachi-kun
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Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
Go for it avg 93
Go for it pb 94

Cant take my eyes avg 91.5
9 dan run 93
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