cheezstik wrote:

Infevo wrote:

divisor =/= note length

Osu!'s divisor is just a system to help mapping. even if you work with a 1/1 divisor on a 160bpm song. it won't change the fact the song has 4ths, 8ths, etc.
It does not change the fact, that the song runs in 160 4ths a minute.

Yeah but we're talking about notes in osu, so the smart and proper thing to do in this case is to use osu's system to talk about notes in osu.

Do you go to other countries and tell people speaking their language that your language is the correct one and they should speak your language even though they are speaking their language in their country?

Infevo wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

Yeah but we're talking about notes in osu, so the smart and proper thing to do in this case is to use osu's system to talk about notes in osu.

Do you go to other countries and tell people speaking their language that your language is the correct one and they should speak your language even though they are speaking their language in their country?

Notes in Osu!? are the same as notes in music theory. Again, nothing different. Check any map's bpm. Does it consider the divisor metric as its beat/beat length? It doesn't. Now what's your point? Any maps bpm is given in 4ths. Hell, even big black's is.

cheezstik wrote:

Go to a mapping thread with your music theory and everyone will be confused.

Riince wrote:

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Infevo wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

Go to a mapping thread with your music theory and everyone will be confused.

Noone, i repeat NOONE, is gonna look up the particular snap divisor with the editor when talking about a certain map's part just to be 100% correct with your imaginative definition of Osu!'s beat design. Simply, because it is inconvenient.

When I search for a beatmap with streams of a certain speed I can easily find some simply by checking the bpm within the map's page. Can you believe it? I don't need the divisor to make sure I find the right map for my needs. Can't be too much different then from my idea, can it? Regardless of the particular snap divisor in use for mapping that song I am still 100% sure I get what I want. How? Applying simple music theory.

I also repeat. This is a rhythm game based around actual music. Your comparison of enforcing one's language on other nations is not off just a little.

buny wrote:

please stop, you're making yourself look completely retarded




not like it matters to me, anyway.

Infevo wrote:

buny wrote:

please stop, you're making yourself look completely retarded




not like it matters to me, anyway.

Elaborate or shut up.

cheezstik wrote:

^Look at that picture. What do you see? I see bread. In fact, most people with proper eye sight would see bread.

Infevo wrote:

When I search for a beatmap with streams of a certain speed I can easily find some simply by checking the bpm within the map's page. Can you believe it? I don't need the divisor to make sure I find the right map for my needs. Can't be too much different then from my idea, can it? Regardless of the particular snap divisor in use for mapping that song I am still 100% sure I get what I want. How? Applying simple music theory.

buny wrote:

cheezstik has already elaborated it


You don't go into a community and force a different terminology
You don't go to USA and force the metric system

Infevo wrote:

buny wrote:

cheezstik has already elaborated it


You don't go into a community and force a different terminology
You don't go to USA and force the metric system

He did neither elaborate on it properly nor am I enforcing anything different. I was the only one explaining anything to be precise. He was talking about the snap divisor in the editor which totally misses the point.

I gave several examples and reasons.

Infevo wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

Go to a mapping thread with your music theory and everyone will be confused.

Noone, i repeat NOONE, is gonna look up the particular snap divisor with the editor when talking about a certain map's part just to be 100% correct with your imaginative definition of Osu!'s beat design. Simply, because it is inconvenient.

When I search for a beatmap with streams of a certain speed I can easily find some simply by checking the bpm within the map's page. Can you believe it? I don't need the divisor to make sure I find the right map for my needs. Can't be too much different then from my idea, can it? Regardless of the particular snap divisor in use for mapping that song I am still 100% sure I get what I want. How? Applying simple music theory.

I also repeat. This is a rhythm game based around actual music. Your comparison of enforcing one's language on other nations is not off just a little.

cheezstik wrote:

Just a tiny example, but basically, #modhelp is where generally people that know how to map or at least have some knowledge of the game help you out. This is like 2 mins worth of opinions. I'm sure if I asked an extremely experienced mapper (think BD, or Skystar level experienced, for example) on what 1/4 notes in osu are, they'd say the same thing. I'm sure if you went into the mapping forums and looked through the threads, everyone would refer to 1/4 notes as the same thing. That's because that's what you refer to them as in osu, if you refer to them according to musical theory, you're gonna cause confusion like what's happened in this thread.

buny wrote:

or is it wrong because it's not typed up in german?

Saphirshroom wrote:

I'm just gonna make up a statistic here and say that in 95% of all maps, streams are 1/4. Big Black was already mentioned along a few others but I can't remember any map I've played that doesn't handle it that way.
Besides, cheez was only showing that mappers use osu's system to count. Whether streaming is 1/4, 1/2 or 1/8 was irrelevant.

Infevo wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

Just a tiny example, but basically, #modhelp is where generally people that know how to map or at least have some knowledge of the game help you out. This is like 2 mins worth of opinions. I'm sure if I asked an extremely experienced mapper (think BD, or Skystar level experienced, for example) on what 1/4 notes in osu are, they'd say the same thing. I'm sure if you went into the mapping forums and looked through the threads, everyone would refer to 1/4 notes as the same thing. That's because that's what you refer to them as in osu, if you refer to them according to musical theory, you're gonna cause confusion like what's happened in this thread.

You dont even notice you contradict yourself by generalizing 1/4s as streams when each snap divisor defines it differently? Dude...
You automatically assume 1/1 snap divisor would be the norm for most maps which is not even the case for easy maps.

The way you asked in #modhelp was not even clear for some. One guy wasn't even sure. Pretty sure the other guys don't know what they are talking about either.

And let me add, by far not everyone maps. Most players don't even know what the divisor does.

Infevo wrote:

buny wrote:

or is it wrong because it's not typed up in german?

I lack to see how this is relevant.

Infevo wrote:

Saphirshroom wrote:

I'm just gonna make up a statistic here and say that in 95% of all maps, streams are 1/4. Big Black was already mentioned along a few others but I can't remember any map I've played that doesn't handle it that way.
Besides, cheez was only showing that mappers use osu's system to count. Whether streaming is 1/4, 1/2 or 1/8 was irrelevant.

So let me clear this up a little. You are saying that in a 180bpm 4/4 beat song streams are the 4ths. This means 180 clicks per minute? Hilarious =]

B1rd wrote:

I need someone to TL;DR me this arguement.

B1rd wrote:

I need someone to TL;DR me this arguement.

Infevo wrote:

Saphirshroom wrote:

I'm just gonna make up a statistic here and say that in 95% of all maps, streams are 1/4. Big Black was already mentioned along a few others but I can't remember any map I've played that doesn't handle it that way.
Besides, cheez was only showing that mappers use osu's system to count. Whether streaming is 1/4, 1/2 or 1/8 was irrelevant.

So let me clear this up a little. You are saying that in a 180bpm 4/4 beat song streams are the 4ths. This means 180 clicks per minute? Hilarious =]

buny wrote:

It's satire
You're saying that one particular terminology is wrong, because it means something else in another.

If you fail to see the connection, you are an idiot

I am done conversing with you.

cheezstik wrote:

Why they are asking the bpm is because some maps are double BPM, such as Big Black, which is 360BPM instead of 180 (Which is what the song actually is), and uses 1/2 notes for the streams. Another example is GoldenWolf's Kage - unravel, which uses a really slow BPM but has some double speed (1/8) streams. Generally, 1/4 is the standard for streaming, used by freedom dive, d.m.c, gimme gimme, mendes, nearly any stream map you can think of off the top of your head.

Infevo wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

Why they are asking the bpm is because some maps are double BPM, such as Big Black, which is 360BPM instead of 180 (Which is what the song actually is), and uses 1/2 notes for the streams. Another example is GoldenWolf's Kage - unravel, which uses a really slow BPM but has some double speed (1/8) streams. Generally, 1/4 is the standard for streaming, used by freedom dive, d.m.c, gimme gimme, mendes, nearly any stream map you can think of off the top of your head.

So, if mappers speak of 1/4s they refer to actual 16ths notes a musician would interpret as streams? Bpm is measured in whole notes instead of 1/4s. How do you call 1/2s and 1/1s?

buny wrote:

confirmed retard

cheezstik wrote:

Infevo wrote:

So, if mappers speak of 1/4s they refer to actual 16ths notes a musician would interpret as streams? Bpm is measured in whole notes instead of 1/4s. How do you call 1/2s and 1/1s?

I'm not sure, maybe 1/1 and 1/2 in music translated to osu are 1/0.25 and 1/0.5, kinda weird I guess, but you'll barely every see them anyway, so you won't have to refer to them nearly ever.

buny wrote:

are you going to keep addressing my insults and not bother reading my argument?

I gave you a reason and an example on the second post on why you are wrong, but I guess you would rather just cry about meanie words

buny wrote:

Infevo wrote:

Elaborate or shut up.

cheezstik has already elaborated it


You don't go into a community and force a different terminology


You don't go to USA and force the metric system. You can bitch all you want about inches, feet, yards etc. but you're never going to change the system no matter what, and all you're doing is wasting your own time and everybody you're trying to argue with. In the end, the system they use is primitive and means the exact same thing translated

cheezstik wrote:

I'm not sure, maybe 1/1 and 1/2 in music translated to osu are 1/0.25 and 1/0.5, kinda weird I guess, but you'll barely every see them anyway, so you won't have to refer to them nearly ever.

ZenithPhantasm wrote:

This is osu not music class.

[-Cloud-] wrote:

And with people you mean that german guy.