I think it's more than obvious that these maps should never give pp or being a choice for any competitive thing like official tournaments. Also there is no reason to add a new system for this. They should be handled like maps for approval since most of these gimmick maps would contain one Difficulty. The BNG is suitable enough to judge about this, if not then they get screwed. Simple like that.baraatje123 wrote:
I don't think it's hard to choose maps for this category
As Ranking will probably go to 3 BN per map, and approval 4/5
This can go for 2 BN on a map
However, these maps should not give any pp, and thus get a completely different symbol
Heck, maybe even a different bubble if this becomes a thing
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[added] New beatmap category for good unrankable mapsets
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This is a feature request. Feature requests can be voted up by supporters.
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New symbol=/=New System
@Stefan
@Stefan
Many other users mentioned the idea about a new system.
looks at number of votes remaining...
"you have 72 votes remaining"
not going to but i considered spamming my votes on this, i would on do it on jb though
/me runs
"you have 72 votes remaining"
not going to but i considered spamming my votes on this, i would on do it on jb though
/me runs
This idea has way too many flaws. Not only are there way too many unranked maps to have leaderboards for, but the idea basically promotes hacking for the fact that moderators aren't going to look through EVERY unranked map to ban them. At least spend some time thinking why your idea wouldn't work before you create a mob of players who are pissed off at Peppy when this idea doesn't go through...
Maps would get selected (just like ranking maps works right now), not every unranked map will suddenly have a scoreboard.Arthrighteous wrote:
This idea has way too many flaws. Not only are there way too many unranked maps to have leaderboards for, but the idea basically promotes hacking for the fact that moderators aren't going to look through EVERY unranked map to ban them. At least spend some time thinking why your idea wouldn't work before you create a mob of players who are pissed off at Peppy when this idea doesn't go through...
Am I missing something in your post or dont people read the damn op?
DeletedUser_4329079
Please read the thread before talking about flaws, this isn't aimed to give scoreboards to all unranked maps.Arthrighteous wrote:
This idea has way too many flaws. Not only are there way too many unranked maps to have leaderboards for, but the idea basically promotes hacking for the fact that moderators aren't going to look through EVERY unranked map to ban them. At least spend some time thinking why your idea wouldn't work before you create a mob of players who are pissed off at Peppy when this idea doesn't go through...
And who would decide what unranked maps are the ones that will get leaderboards? I'm sure the moderators don't want to spend more time then they are spending currently with getting maps through the ranking process.
I'm sure this will work well with the moddingv2, where everyone with certain score will have ability to nominate maps to rank. Maybe add a feature to nominate for the "gimmick maps" in moddingv2?Arthrighteous wrote:
And who would decide what unranked maps are the ones that will get leaderboards? I'm sure the moderators don't want to spend more time then they are spending currently with getting maps through the ranking process.
Im not familiar with "moddingv2". Could you post a description or a link for it?-[Koinuri] wrote:
I'm sure this will work well with the moddingv2, where everyone with certain score will have ability to nominate maps to rank. Maybe add a feature to nominate for the "gimmick maps" in moddingv2?Arthrighteous wrote:
And who would decide what unranked maps are the ones that will get leaderboards? I'm sure the moderators don't want to spend more time then they are spending currently with getting maps through the ranking process.
Well, it's obvious that you're new.Arthrighteous wrote:
Im not familiar with "moddingv2". Could you post a description or a link for it?-[Koinuri] wrote:
I'm sure this will work well with the moddingv2, where everyone with certain score will have ability to nominate maps to rank. Maybe add a feature to nominate for the "gimmick maps" in moddingv2?
In short, ranking works like this: Mapper finishes a map, people mod the map (make it better, point out flaws) and the BN (Beatmap Nominator) nominate the map to become ranked. Only these bew BN guys can rank a map, nobody else.
This is basically what would be with the new category as well.
I'm not sure how not understanding a new modding system makes me new. What I lack understanding about regarding this system is how to actually become a "BN". They way I had understood it, a BAT would have to decide what gets a leaderboard. Given the aforementioned system, I think it could have some potential to work, but there's still the issue of maintaining fair play on every single mapset. I'm not at all against the idea but it seems that it would be pretty hard to maintain.Yauxo wrote:
Well, it's obvious that you're new.
In short, ranking works like this: Mapper finishes a map, people mod the map (make it better, point out flaws) and the BN (Beatmap Nominator) nominate the map to become ranked. Only these bew BN guys can rank a map, nobody else.
This is basically what would be with the new category as well.
Hopefully everyone can work out a way to make it work in a way that makes sense, but it seems to be something that will take a lot of thought and planning, beyond just pitching the feature request itself.Also, regarding Beatmap Nominators, you also say the they nominate a map to be ranked, and then you go on to say that they are the ones who rank the map itself, which confuses me. It also confuses me when you say that there will be few Beatmap Nominators when -[Koinuri] mentions that anyone with a certain score will become a Beatmap Nominator. Instead of passive-aggressively hinting that i'm unknowledgeable in the subject, maybe you could help me better understand it?
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Don't listen to what Yauxo said, that is not modding v2 as we know it. What he just described is the testing phase we are going through at the moment. He is correct in describing the process, maybe he just slipped on his word choice.
Modding v2 will reflect a more community-centric modding system where anyone who acquires a certain "modder score" will be able to nominate maps for rank. There will be plenty of these "nominators" since there will be no other requirement other than to reach that score - so in essence there will be lots of them (hell we already have 100+ at the moment). Want to see your favorite map ranked? Get your score up so you can nominate it!
Obviously this is just a small part of the new modding system; the old design docs that were posted by peppy described automated mod requests, modding queues, priority system, etc (see old test for it here and here). Haven't seen it in awhile but yea so don't quote me on any of this stuff.
Hope that clears things up a bit
Modding v2 will reflect a more community-centric modding system where anyone who acquires a certain "modder score" will be able to nominate maps for rank. There will be plenty of these "nominators" since there will be no other requirement other than to reach that score - so in essence there will be lots of them (hell we already have 100+ at the moment). Want to see your favorite map ranked? Get your score up so you can nominate it!
Obviously this is just a small part of the new modding system; the old design docs that were posted by peppy described automated mod requests, modding queues, priority system, etc (see old test for it here and here). Haven't seen it in awhile but yea so don't quote me on any of this stuff.
Hope that clears things up a bit
Actually kind of interested to see how modding v2 will play a part in something like this
That makes a lot more sense to me. If the community that qualified as nominators could maintain those leaderboards for unranked maps then this could be a very good idea. Hopefully as time passes, it will be easier to implement this feature request!~ 
This is exactly what I said, I just wanted to keep it simple in how to explain it (not get into detail about what exactly a BN is, just that these guys exist and do it) ><Arthrighteous wrote:
That makes a lot more sense to me. If the community that qualified as nominators could maintain those leaderboards for unranked maps then this could be a very good idea. Hopefully as time passes, it will be easier to implement this feature request!~
Maps would get selected (just like ranking maps works right now)
I'm not quite sure why map quality should be a requirement when gimmick maps would give no pp. Is it so the server doesn't need to store more data? I can't see it as being something super intensive on the server end, however, I'm not quite sure of what the ranking servers are capable of.
If quality isn't a big issue, then there should be something similar to how the qualification system works imo. It would be similar to how the community votes work, except without the BAT/ QAT ranking process. If the community votes that they want a zapy map to have a gimmick leaderboard, it should be as simple as that. A few votes and huzzah! a gimmick leaderboard is now there! Maybe some LIGHT quality checks to make sure the map isn't absolute shit, but really, there are some pretty bad maps out there that are already ranked. And nobody is gonna vote on someone's first map that has the quality of 2007 mapping with no distance snapping/ improper timing or what not. Not to mention, there are a lot of mappers who just plain don't want to deal with ranking criteria (like having an easy on there map). I'd love to see some maps that have just that one hard difficulty getting a gimmick leaderboard. (Silynn maps pleaseeeee)
I'm sure all of my opinions and questions have been stated before (I didn't really read much of the thread), but I thought it wouldn't hurt to throw my opinion out here just incase.
If quality isn't a big issue, then there should be something similar to how the qualification system works imo. It would be similar to how the community votes work, except without the BAT/ QAT ranking process. If the community votes that they want a zapy map to have a gimmick leaderboard, it should be as simple as that. A few votes and huzzah! a gimmick leaderboard is now there! Maybe some LIGHT quality checks to make sure the map isn't absolute shit, but really, there are some pretty bad maps out there that are already ranked. And nobody is gonna vote on someone's first map that has the quality of 2007 mapping with no distance snapping/ improper timing or what not. Not to mention, there are a lot of mappers who just plain don't want to deal with ranking criteria (like having an easy on there map). I'd love to see some maps that have just that one hard difficulty getting a gimmick leaderboard. (Silynn maps pleaseeeee)
I'm sure all of my opinions and questions have been stated before (I didn't really read much of the thread), but I thought it wouldn't hurt to throw my opinion out here just incase.
Katarai_old
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Aren't scoreboards considered competitive play too? How can a map not be made to have one, will the universe implode?Katarai wrote:
I'm new to the game but isn't the whole point of ranking maps to make them available for competative play? You would be creating a paradox by adding scoreboards to maps than are not intended for this.
A map that's ranked is supposedly high quality and official. In reality, a ranked map is just a map that enough people with fancy titles have verified as adhering to somewhat arbitrary ranking criteria (and more recently, it also means theKatarai wrote:
I'm new to the game but isn't the whole point of ranking maps to make them available for competative play? You would be creating a paradox by adding scoreboards to maps than are not intended for this.
Theres no issue with 100% of maps being ranked though.
I just didn't want BlythE to disappear into the abyss that was the graveyard. At the time, old graved maps were unable to be downloaded.
You'll note I added a mediafire mirror to airwave for that purpose, and whenever mm201 finishes his skinnable sliders, I'll fix airwave and go for whatever archival of the map I can get.
Obviously I approve.
You'll note I added a mediafire mirror to airwave for that purpose, and whenever mm201 finishes his skinnable sliders, I'll fix airwave and go for whatever archival of the map I can get.
Obviously I approve.
So 8k stars + from community are enough to be forgotten that fast? Or is there any progress going on that..? Would be really sad if that idea just gets dismissed by the fact of that huge community support..
Please just wait, stars just shows how much supports this has.CookEasy wrote:
So 8k stars + from community are enough to be forgotten that fast? Or is there any progress going on that..? Would be really sad if that idea just gets dismissed by the fact of that huge community support..
support for the love of unrankable maps
I will read this and make this a more meaningful post later
I will read this and make this a more meaningful post later
I really hope this will be implemented sometime. If it will, it will take a long time, so please be patient guys..
Woah, I have been thinking about basically exactly the same idea for a while now, and here I look - it already is requested with over 8000 stars!! I don't have any to give, but I support this 100%.
I think it should be kind of like the current ranking but not as strict. Cause i enjoy playing unranked maps but i want to share my scores with others or see what the pros can accomplish.
I think, we should have a rating system for unranked beatmaps.
If a beatmap meet the requirement rating (for example: > 100 votes and rating > 9.0), it will have a scoreboard.
If a beatmap meet the requirement rating (for example: > 100 votes and rating > 9.0), it will have a scoreboard.
It'd be better to base this off map quality and not map popularity.talutocxu wrote:
I think, we should have a rating system for unranked beatmaps.
If a beatmap meet the requirement rating (for example: > 100 votes and rating > 9.0), it will have a scoreboard.
Any famous player could make a trash map and instantly get a scoreboard on it with your system.
Just leave it to the BNs to decide.
I will change my line to : "a beatmap meet the requirement rating will be considered to have a scoreboard".Litharrale wrote:
It'd be better to base this off map quality and not map popularity.talutocxu wrote:
I think, we should have a rating system for unranked beatmaps.
If a beatmap meet the requirement rating (for example: > 100 votes and rating > 9.0), it will have a scoreboard.
Any famous player could make a trash map and instantly get a scoreboard on it with your system.
Just leave it to the BNs to decide.
Anyway, that's just my opinion.
This would be good for mappers like caren_sk and Akali. Not to mention all those gimmick maps and whatnot. This would give people something else to do besides grinding pp all day and give people who like to make maps outside of the general ranked criteria a little more room to stretch. This would be a really nice "for fun" aspect of the game.
If supporter needs a price increase for servers to accommodate these leaderboards and replays, I would totally be paying for it.
Cookeasy PogChamp
The tag4 fiasco shows this is possible. sooo now we just hope peppy wants to fork over the bandwidth and storage for it
Nobody aside from Lach mentioned Taiko gimmick maps which are starting to grow large. There aren't many maps for now, but I strongly believe it will grow super large as the category gets created. However if you think about a ruleset, think about every mode. Taiko can have a very hard gimmick map even with 0.7 stars.
The ones I have in mind at the moment and you should check these out to see what we are capable of:
Storyboard gimmick Taiko maps:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/154326 DJ Noriken ft. Yukacco - Lucent (JAKAZiD Remix) -- Probably the most popular in its category
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/219939 DJ Shimamura feat. Yukacco - Magik Night (JAKAZiD's magic verdrive! Mix)
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/197242 Camellia - Bangin' Burst
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/301247 Yooh - MariannE
Normal gimmick Taiko maps:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/219733 Yuitsuki yukari - Shiawase ni nareru kakushi komando ga aru rashii
The ones I have in mind at the moment and you should check these out to see what we are capable of:
Storyboard gimmick Taiko maps:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/154326 DJ Noriken ft. Yukacco - Lucent (JAKAZiD Remix) -- Probably the most popular in its category
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/219939 DJ Shimamura feat. Yukacco - Magik Night (JAKAZiD's magic verdrive! Mix)
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/197242 Camellia - Bangin' Burst
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/301247 Yooh - MariannE
Normal gimmick Taiko maps:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/219733 Yuitsuki yukari - Shiawase ni nareru kakushi komando ga aru rashii
Hmm... HanZer and Hollow Wings maps would definitely get a benefit here. Too broke for supporter though, so I get no vote.