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Flower
purupuru~ bubbled /o/
[Mahua]
这都泡了还要什么摸 射星走人(
Koiyuki
Sorry but the bubble need to be popped.

  1. Just some complaints.
  2. My personal suggestions.
  3. Highly recommended.
  4. Unrankable, you have to fix it.

General
  1. Your skin misses some files which is necessary:
    approachcircle.png
    reversearrow.png
Easy
  1. 01:05:341 (1,2,3) - 这里你摆的位置感觉有点卡手而且不怎么好看,我觉得这样放比较好:https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3009142
  2. 01:10:988 (2,3) - nazi,这个应该能blanket吧www?
Normal
  1. WHY HP6? Also I think ar6 is a bit high, 5 or 5.5 should be better. (大哥你怎么normal的四维比hard都高啊……
  2. 00:16:990 (1,2) - 现在QAT抓这种挺严的,不建议在normal中放这种两次折返及以上的滑条,最好改一下
  3. 00:33:931 (5) - 01:09:576 (3) - ^
  4. 00:36:225 (2) - 这个stack最好移出来
  5. 00:46:637 (2,3) - ^
  6. 00:49:460 (5) - 就顺着flow摆下去比较好
  7. 01:05:341 (1,2) - blanket better,而且我觉着01:05:341 (1,3) - 形状一样会比较好
  8. 01:13:459 (3,4) - 4这个地方并没音,把3改成个1/2滑条然后把4删了?
vdog's Hard
  1. OD+1, seriously.
  2. Do you make sure that you want to use this diff name to ranking?
  3. 00:48:225 (5,1) - swap nc? 方便读图
  4. 00:48:519 (1) - 用hitsound装的很像,说白了还是unsnap
Insane
  1. Hard才HP5,要么提高hard的hp,要么insane降一点,8有点高。
  2. 00:19:460 (5,6,7) - 打的时候感觉这整个ctrl+g比较顺手
  3. 00:34:990 (2,3,4) - 这个三连的位置很卡手,而且flow并不好,音乐中也没有三连的音,稍微改一下梗?
  4. 01:15:223 (2) - finish?
Topic Starter
Megurine Luka
[Insane]

HP和fin加了,另外两个想了想感觉还是这样了- -后面那个三连其实还有一个原因是和00:36:048 (7) - 做了一个小角度的折角,所以就这样好了:S

[Hard]

V狗说改完了

[Normal]

HP真的是因为我傻逼- -
两次折返滑条 - - 呵呵这简直傻逼- -(然而还是改了
stack没有移- -因为移出来觉得很丑=-=
其他都改了

[Ez]
slider没改,为了和前面的对应嗯~后面一个修正了

谢啦~~
Koiyuki
~Recheck~

Normal
  1. 00:33:931 (5,6) - 这个藏折返那里有点……建议这样:http://puu.sh/hdNDG/0100bf292a.jpg
别的没了
Topic Starter
Megurine Luka
Nice. Updated.
Koiyuki
Rebubbled!
Topic Starter
Megurine Luka
卖得一手好萌
Topic Starter
Megurine Luka
To the next BN: please contact me before you qualify this map...sorry for any inconvenience...
Zero__wind
hello dage from my queue
General
you need sliderborder code for all diffs as you have custom skin elements for your mapset
preview time is unsnapped. please reset it to 01:01:547 - in all diffs (sounds better than at 01:01:459 - )
what's that "-1500" AudioLeadIn @@ plz reset it to 1500 for all diffs (in fact 500 is enough)
the volume of the mp3 file is comparably low. you may want to raise it a bit
it's more reasonable to stop the kiai at 01:13:812 - instead, in all diffs
plz turn down the volume for the last spinner in all diffs, it current sounds annoyingly loud while spinning, and also try a whistle at end? hmm only for Easy and Normal, Insane diff with 40% volume is acceptable

Easy
plz better use AR3 for Easy diff to be more friendly to new players

Normal
AR6 for Normal is generaly too high, especially when your diff is quite easy as a Normal. please use AR5 instead.
the gap between Normal and Hard is a bit big as the rhythm in this diff is kinda easy as it currently is. it's better if you could use some more 1/2 beats at the parts where the drums are intense like 00:14:166 - ~ 00:25:460 - and else. you can try this kind of rhythm
00:05:343 (2) - not recommended to stack circles under slider ends like this in lower diffs, better move it to (460,320) instead
00:07:107 (1) - why a finish here but no finish at 00:08:519 - ?
00:34:284 - better add clap as well to keep it consistent, also clap on 00:34:990 (6) - and so on
00:36:225 (2) - this rhythm really caught me when I was testing, it'd fit the song better if you move it to 00:36:401 - instead and stack it on 00:36:578 (3) - 's head
00:37:460 (1,2) - swap NC?
00:39:225 - also better to keep on consistent clapping if you decide to use them in this diff
00:47:519 (3,4) - not really a good rhythm choice, I'd rather prefer to move 3 to 00:47:519 (3) - and start 4 from 00:48:048 - to catch the cymbal sound at 00:48:048 - which is really important
00:52:635 (2) - plz keep the distance even, it's ok if you use a smaller ds, as it's in the slow part
00:59:341 (3) - same as 00:05:343 (2) - , try this
01:12:223 (2) - plz keep the distance even

G's Hard
01:13:812 (2) - better unstack it with 01:13:106 (1) - to make it easier to read for hard-level players. try moving it to (92,372)

Insane
00:08:519 (1) - better have a finish on head
00:24:754 (4) - probably need a whistle to be consistent with 00:19:107 (4) -
00:34:990 (2,3,4) - this triple plays kinda weird as it doesn't really fit in the music. it'd be better if you start a triple from the red tick 00:34:813 - or 00:35:166 -
00:36:931 (1,2,3,4,5) - may wanna use smaller spacing for this soft part
00:47:872 (1,2) - better swap NC as 00:47:696 (8,1) - are coherent beats while there's a gap between 00:47:872 (1,2) -
01:02:518 - where is the finish OAQ
01:15:223 (2) - may wanna use finish here instead to go with the cymbals

call me back
Koiyuki
妈的不懂skin的锅,我背了
Topic Starter
Megurine Luka
其实也是我的锅,太久没做图了……么么哒yuki
Topic Starter
Megurine Luka
大部分都改了,没改的我说一下
Normal:
前面没改,主要一上来不想太难...总体属于前面简单后面一点点变难的感觉...gap的话应该还好?
00:36:225 (2) - 这个主要压了Vocal...我觉得难度上对N玩家来说也还可以

V狗的H我觉得那个梗还行...就算了.w.

Insane:

00:34:990 (2,3,4) - 这个之前也有人提过...一来我是觉得这样比较好玩,而来是想距离上和00:36:048 (7) - 做一个小角度折角...
00:36:931 (1,2,3,4,5) - 大概是为了反差萌?233

其他都改了
Zero__wind
kiai in Insane wasn't changed and is inconsistent with that in your other diffs now =.=
everything else should be fine
Topic Starter
Megurine Luka
done
Zero__wind
Rebubbled.
-Nya-
Hm, since this map is already bubbled, I'll take a look at it later today~

Placeholder, btw.


Mod below :P
-Nya-
Reason for pop: Still a lot of things that require fixing and possible unrankable issues as well that will need confirmation from another BN.

From M4M.

General:
  1. I’m not that sure about the current metadata. I found this metadata on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDOa-ctda3s
    http://puu.sh/hsB6K/a6ac697acb.png
    So I think the metadata will have to be: HoneyWorks feat. Hatsune Miku – Attakain Dakara
    Maybe you’ll have to add “[cover]” as well but I’m not sure. Just doublecheck your metadata with an expert please.
  2. The repeat arrow clashes with the hitcircle-skin a bit, since it’s not that visible when placed on the soft pink colour. http://puu.sh/hsHSL/687568e8ca.jpg I guess your choices are either to change the colours and make sure that the arrow is visible enough or to change the reverse arrow completely to something darker that’s more visible.
  3. Combo colour 1 and combo colour 3 are very close to each other. The pink and the pink. I highly suggest that you change combo colour 3 to a different colour since I think it might be unrankable if the two colours are too close to each other. Try green for combo 3.
    That’s just an example of the two combo colours that look too similar.
  4. The hitsounding in the Easy could do with work imo. In the Hard and Insane the hitsounds are great but then your easiest diff still lacks that hitsounding. I think you just used whistles in that diff if I’m not mistaken.
  5. I think the gap between Normal and Hard might be a problem. Hard is quite difficult and imo Normal can be harder. Try adding more difficult rhythms and patterns in Normal.
  6. You didn’t add your GD’er in the tags. “G’s Hard” Who is the GD’er?
  7. Uncheck “Widescreen support” in all diffs since you don’t have a SB. Just optional.
  8. Use a resolution of 1366X768 or 1024X768 for your BG. Your current resolution is a bit unsatisfying. I managed to fix your current BG’s resolution. It’s 1366X768 now. Here:
    http://puu.sh/hsBP6/3f19df39f4.jpg
  9. To be safe, change your audio lead-in to 2000ms. If you don’t know how, just contact me.

Easy:
  1. Imo, I really think you can map that break out since you mapped that section in all the other diffs.
  2. 00:02:872 (2) –I don’t really like the placement of this slider. It doesn’t make a nice blanket and it looks a bit crammed. I suggest trying this placement. It will also make the flow nicer imo.
  3. 00:04:284 (3) –Rather place a 1/1 slider here. That repeat slider might be a bit confusing for beginners.
  4. 00:05:696 (1) –Ctrl+J. To ensure better flow with 00:07:813 (2) –
  5. 00:07:107 –I hear a cymbal sound here. Rather place a finish on the tail for better emphasis. You might want to lower the volume then since the sound might be too loud.
  6. 00:09:931 –Hm, I hear a cymbal sound on this repeat. I think it would be better then to place a finish on the repeat then instead of the whistle. ^
  7. 00:14:166 (2) –Finish instead? It’s quite a loud sound there and I don’t think the whistle really supports it that well. ^
  8. 00:32:519 (4) –Again, rather a finish. There’s a cymbal sound in the background.
  9. 00:36:401 (4) –The vocals clearly starts here: 00:36:578 – again. So start the slider there as well. Like this:
  10. 00:38:166 (1) –Finish on head of slider.
  11. 00:38:166 (1,2) –Eh, I don’t really like this pattern: Bad flow and it just looks untidy. Something as simple as this will look better:
  12. 00:48:048 –Finish on the tail of the slider.
  13. 00:56:871 (2) –Finish please. There’s a clear cymbal sound in the music.
  14. 00:55:459 (1,2) –Eh, not best flow. In future, try not to place circles like right under the tail of a slider since it’s not the best flow. Here’s an example like what the best flow would be:
  15. 00:58:282 –Again, place a finish here please.
  16. 00:59:694 (4) -^ On the head of the slider.
  17. 01:02:518 –Finish on the head of the slider please.
  18. 01:05:341 (1) –Not the best flow imo. Maybe try something like this instead:
  19. 01:08:165 (4) –Finish here.

I might have missed some places where you could have placed finishes, but I think I pointed out every place.

Normal:
  1. 00:57:576 (1,2) –Can you please just check this spacing again please. 00:58:282 (2) – is too close to 00:57:576 (1) –
  2. 00:16:990 (1) –For better flow you can try stacking this slider on the head of this slider: 00:14:166 (1) –
  3. 00:33:578 (4) –That clapsound is very loud. I really advise you to lower the volume there a bit. There are other places as well of course, but I’m not gonna point them all out since I trust that you know where they are.
  4. 00:35:343 (1,2) –I don’t really approve this stack, since the rhythm here is so fast. Rather unstack.
  5. 00:46:637 (2,3) -^
  6. 00:55:459 (1) –Add a finish on the tail of the spinner. There’s a clear cymbal in the background.
  7. 00:57:576 (1) –I suggest you rather place this circle in the middle of the spinner to make it easier for the player to click it since the reaction time is not that long.
  8. 00:58:282 (2) –Finish on the head of the slider.

G’s Hard:
  1. Circle size 4? A hard always looks better with a circle size of 4.
  2. 00:14:078 –Hm, rather remove that 5% green line. I’m not sure if it’s really unrankable if placed on the tail of the slider. But just to be 100% safe rather remove it.
  3. 00:43:813 (1) –Finish on the head of this slider?
  4. 01:05:871 (2) –This circle is placed too high. It’s slightly touching the HP bar.

Insane:
  1. Ehh, not really fond of the whistle sounds that you used in this diff. It’s a really annoying sound and kind of ruins the cute song imo. Try to stick to the Hard’s hitsounding a bit. I kinda like the Hard’s hitsounding the best.
  2. 00:43:813 (6,1,1,2,3) –Hm, this placement looks a bit confusing. Can’t you try something like this instead:
  3. 01:01:106 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) –This confused me a lot. You used the same spacings, but one part of that stream has a slow rhythm while the other part has a very fast rhythm. The NC’s won’t be enough for distinction imo.

There’s still a lot of things that require fixing imo. Take a look at most of the aspects in “General” especially. Also, make sure of the metadata please. I think you might have to add “Hatsune Miku” somewhere in the artist.

Sorry to have to pop the bubble again, but I just feel this set can do with a bit more mods. I guess it will improve a lot if you take my mod into consideration. You may call me back when you think it’s ready.
Topic Starter
Megurine Luka
可能是一种后现代的讽刺手法
Let me do this one by one.

[General]

  1. Checked with Japanese players (mappers) that the original song is by Kumamushi. HoneyWorks is the composer of the Vocaloid cover version. However, it was uploaded by HoneyWorks on niconico (and probably in their CD as well). As I consulted some of BNs, they agree that it's better to follow the original page on niconico. So here is the Screenshot for you.

    And link: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm25344705
  2. Combo color changed.
  3. Changed the reversible arrow into a new one.
  4. About the hitsound in Easy, I think I would rather keep it as what it sounds like now. Since Easy has relatively less rhythm, I don't want to make it the same as Hard and Insane.
  5. GDer is the one in tag. She uses this diff name in every GD maps. You can also check our last collaboration here: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/48467
  6. BG fixed. Even though 1280*768 is not a issue at all, but thanks.
  7. Widescreen Support doesn't really matter, so I will keep it.
  8. About audio-leadin, I personally think 500 is enough. Anyway, increased to 1500.
[Easy]

  1. About the break, I think new players are more likely to follow the vocal. It is easier for them to play so I will keep it.
  2. 00:02:872 (2) - I think my flow works better.
  3. 00:04:284 (3) - no I follow the vocal as I said.
  4. 00:05:696 (1) - hmmm, don't like it. I want to make a close area using 00:04:284 (3,1) -
  5. 00:05:696 (1) - no, the cymbal sounds too heavy here.
  6. 00:36:401 (4) - You're right. The vocal starts at red line. But unfortunately starting a slider from a red line is kinda difficult for new babies. I was taught "DO NOT START A SLIDER FROM A RED LINE IN AN EASY DIFF" by a famous mapper (tutuhaha, if you want the mapper's name) when I was a new mapper. So I will keep it.
  7. 00:38:166 (1) - Added.
  8. 00:38:166 (1,2) - no, please don't. I don't like the style.
  9. 00:46:637 (1) - no. Too heavy.
  10. 00:59:694 (4) - ^
  11. 01:02:518 (1) - this one works. Added.
  12. 01:05:341 (1) - no I don't like it.
  13. 01:08:165 (4) - works. added.
[Normal]

  1. 00:57:576 (1,2) - But 00:57:576 (1,2,3) - acts in a triangle shape. I don't think people would recognize this tiny spacing problem while they are playing. People are not robots or Auto.
  2. 00:14:166 (1,2,1) - Can you see the triangle I'm making here?
  3. 00:33:578 (4) - It does. Decrease the volume to 30%
  4. 00:35:343 (1,2) - No. Unstack here is ugly. You did't really play old maps very often, do you?
  5. 00:46:637 (2,3) - ^
  6. 00:55:459 (1) - I think whistle works better here since the vocal is gentle.
  7. 00:57:576 (1) - So how long do you expect the reaction time would be?
  8. 00:58:282 (2) - Added.
[Hard]

  1. Circle size 4 works for me.
  2. 00:14:078 - this works. deleted.
  3. 00:43:813 (1) - added.
  4. 01:05:871 (2) - fixed.
[Insane]

  1. If you are talking about the normal whistle sound, I bet you don't like James' map. I add these whistles for some reasons. If you listen carefully at 00:45:931 (1) - 01:08:871 (1) - 01:10:282 (1) - You will find the BGM contained the sound that is really similar with normal whistle. I didn't cover all these sounds because I think it is not very suitable to use whistle sound to cover vocal. So I put the whistles sound in the beginning.
  2. 00:43:813 (6,1,1,2,3) - No. I like anti-jumps. Example: :arrow: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/50772
  3. 01:01:106 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - It is an Insane. Not a Hard or Normal or Easy. Also it is not the type of song that is really too gentle to put these difficult points.
Done. Thank you and please give my bubble back.

Well, I think you probably don't like old maps. But I do.
Also about the amount of the mods, have you looked through the whole thread?


Apologize for the choice of words. However I did check all of your mods very carefully.
-Nya-


Spacing in Normal has to be consistent. It's a requirement.
Topic Starter
Megurine Luka

-Nya- wrote:



Spacing in Normal has to be consistent. It's a requirement.
moved right a little bit, should be fine now.
Also, as talked. decrease the volume in Easy and add some finish. Sorry for making you think I'm arrogant.
Thank you.
-Nya-
Lets give this map its bubble back.
To next BN: I guess just check hitsounding and spacing in lower diffs but it should be fine.
Topic Starter
Megurine Luka

-Nya- wrote:

Lets give this map its bubble back.
To next BN: I guess just check hitsounding and spacing in lower diffs but it should be fine.
Thank you again.
Don't really mean to offense you, but ...

Anyway :3!
Fycho
[Normal]
  1. 用AR5?6真的太高,HR+DT会美丽。而且AR5的话四个难度ar分别是3,5,7,9,spread上多好
  2. 00:34:990 (6) –漏clap
  3. 00:39:578 (2) –我建议这个滑条尾和00:40:813 (3) –都加一个clap,像00:36:225 (2,3) –这里的一样。00:47:519 (3,4) –这些同理。
  4. 00:42:401 (1) –尾巴clap
  5. 00:44:519 (4) -^
  6. 00:55:459 (1) –转盘尾finish,虽然你说低难度节奏密度低不需要那么多finish,但是这个转盘加个finish听着会很舒服
  7. 00:57:576 (1,2,3,1) –根据几何关系你这要摆正三角形并兼顾每个物件间的距离(不是ds)肯定摆不来啊,等腰三角和斜三角又不好看。我建议你还是把00:57:576 (1) –放到(115,111),让00:57:576 (1,2,3) –保持直线。你这种虽然不明显但是会被dq的
  8. KIAI里我建议你加点clap,这样太blank看着太像一个unfinished的音效。虽然由于二四白线的关系加不满,但是也比空着好

[Insane]
  1. 00:37:107 (2) –加whistle
  2. 00:56:871 (1) –finish,因为是cymbal,而且这个应该是和00:59:694 (5) –一样的
  3. 01:15:223 (2) -20%的音量太低,考虑40~50%
改完告诉我
Topic Starter
Megurine Luka
done
其实normal那个spacing应该已经修好了来着
Zero__wind
虽然不知道怎么回事然而我被叫过来reb 所以我们再过一遍
no kd

Normal
00:57:576 (1,2,3,1,2) - 把这里间距都调到1.2X
01:04:282 - 漏了clap
01:08:165 (1,2) - 把2的clap挪到1的尾巴上才合曲 然而01:09:576 (3) - 尾巴上clap

G's Hard
00:13:460 (1) - 滑条头20%音量soft是比较危险的 最好加到40%
00:56:518 (1) - 滑条尾巴5%消音我并不认为是安全的 请至少涨到10%
01:13:459 (1) - 去掉NC

Insane
00:58:282 (5) - 头上finish 和00:56:871 (1) - 00:59:694 (5) - 一样

以上
Topic Starter
Megurine Luka
Done... Thanks all.

ps. 其实没发生什么,就是爆炸了一下而已
Zero__wind
Rebubbled.
kanpakyin
honeyworks大爺啊
Kodora
Talked to moe Luka via qq, fixed accidental CS change on Hard & Normal

Qualified! =3=/
Topic Starter
Megurine Luka
=3=/
Adol Christin
Need to redl this i guess...
Gratz~
cmn_891127
大哥好帅气
tutuhaha

cmn_891127 wrote:

大哥好帅气
Irreversible
###DM

Hi Megurine Luka!

I'm here to pull this out of the qualified section for now, as for the following reasons:

Spread issues between N > H (main reason)

We strongly believe that the gap between N and H is not executed appropriately. While H has 1/4 and difficult patterns (such as 00:36:931 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -) a repeated slider can be found in N. We think that this should be improved, thus we'd like you to add a new diff between N and H - or nerf the Hard (pretty massively, not recommended), as you wish.

Aesthetics in Insane (we really think your map can benefit of that!)

Your map could look a lot more polished if you went over it once more and fixed little aesthetical problems! Let me point up a few, so you get the idea.

  1. 00:02:166 (3) - blanket
  2. 00:02:519 (4,5) - This actually does not make sense rhythmically, why do you put a jump from 3 to 4 (no strong beats), but no jump from 4 to 5 (where there actually is a strong beat?). Please reconsider.
  3. 00:03:401 (6) - blanekt
  4. 00:04:284 (1,2,3) - Make the spacing even
  5. 00:19:460 (5,6,7) - How comes the spacing drops so much here? 00:18:401 (1,2,3,4) - has been really jumpy.
  6. 00:22:637 (1) - Same, why no jump when there's something to emphasize?
tl;dr: 1) check blankets 2) check whether a jump makes sense or not (put a jump on strong sounds, keep it spaced on weak sounds), 3) check if the spacing is even, where it should be the same (for example: 00:04:284 (1,2,3) - )

Break in Easy

Why didn't you map the break in Easy? The player is certainly not exhausted by playing 13 seconds, and we don't really see why this part of the map should be left out. I do see that you wanted to follow the vocals explicitely, yet this is just boring for a player! Please at least place some objects (does not even have to be dense).

If you have any questions, just ask! BNs will handle this map from now on. Good luck!
cmn_891127
大哥不要哭/(ㄒoㄒ)/~~
Topic Starter
Megurine Luka


You guys win.
Lach
Hey you should have used the control panel to uninstall instead of deleting the folder since it removes the shortcuts.

Quite the pitiful way to act when you could just fix the mentioned points with a bit of work and it would be on its way to ranked again.
Topic Starter
Megurine Luka
No more fix, thanks.

Password changed, last post here.

:) This community gives me a lot of fun this time.

祝武运昌隆,再见。
kiddly
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