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Nico Nico Douga - WAWAWA SPEED mix

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Kert

osuplayer111 wrote:

[Overall]

You have to add a "cursor.png" if you're going to use the file "cursortrail.png". Remember to full submit after this fix. - Added and full resubmitted

Add "OnosakiHito" into the tags on both difficulties. - Done

[Difficulties]

[Marathon]
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Remapped 2x part, fixed spacing, new combos and spinner. Everything
Thanks a lot!
Andrea
Looks much better now.

Bubble #1~
Ekoro
OMG YES !

Gogo rank :D
Hitoshirenu Shourai
Ninja!

Anjoy your approved status! Have fun failing, everyone~
arien666

Hitoshirenu Shourai wrote:

Ninja!

Enjoy your approved status! Have fun failing, everyone~
orz, why didn't I give a star for this song?
Enyway, good job :3
lepidopodus

osuplayer111 wrote:

Bubble #1~

Hitoshirenu Shourai wrote:

Anjoy your approved status! Have fun failing, everyone~
Huh? Bubble #2?
Jarby


So do we unrank it or what
lepidopodus
At least I'm not who should decide that, but this one lacks bubble #2 and that's true, right?
Jarby
Well, nothing dreadful, I'll forgive some of the more creative spacing here since it's not that difficult to read and it makes relative sense, after all. A few sections are lacking hitsounds entirely, perhaps you could add some more in?

00:51:910 (1,2,3,4) - How are you supposed to read speed changes like this? There aren't any slider ticks and they're effectively random.
01:26:662 (1,2,3,1,2) - These sliders should be snapped to 1/3.
03:20:009 (1,2) - Failed symmetry here could be fixed up to make this cleaner, same with the following bit.
08:42:406 (3,4) - Yeah, these could be improved quite a bit. Take a look.
ztrot

Hitoshirenu Shourai wrote:

Ninja!

Anjoy your approved status! Have fun failing, everyone~
Reverted to a 2nd bubble
SilentWings_old
awww just when i did a good run T_T
ztrot
sorry :P
Derekku
*pop*

As much as I love hold sliders, using uninherited sections for slider velocity changes is currently unrankable. Thus, change 03:28:480 (3) to 0.5x or something else. I really meant to remod this after doing my previous timing check since so many parts of the map feel unintuitive or just thrown in for added difficulty rather than enjoyment. Let's not rush things, especially since I'm sure this can still be improved upon a bit.

Also, before I forget, shorten 03:37:655 (5) to the blue tick.
Topic Starter
Kert

Jarby wrote:

A few sections are lacking hitsounds entirely, perhaps you could add some more in? - I prefer to leave some of the parts without hitsounds. Actually I tried placing some of them there, but all just started sounding worse and repetitive

00:51:910 (1,2,3,4) - How are you supposed to read speed changes like this? There aren't any slider ticks and they're effectively random. - ^_^' That's a good question haha. I don't really know how can it be read from the first try, but I think it's not that critical.
01:26:662 (1,2,3,1,2) - These sliders should be snapped to 1/3 - Remapped this part a bit
03:20:009 (1,2) - Failed symmetry here could be fixed up to make this cleaner, same with the following bit. - Tried my best to make them more cute
08:42:406 (3,4) - Yeah, these could be improved quite a bit. - Same
I also fixed what Derekku asked to.

Let's not rush things
Submitted: Apr 14, 2010
xD Also considering that I was making the map from January to April..
Derekku
Did some irc modding with CracK to make various streams and other tricky patterns a bit more intuitive. I'll double check some stuff tomorrow (since I'm about to fall asleep atm) along with checking the timing again (a few places feel off). Also, I checked taiko and saw a couple of things.

00:54:425 (1) - shouldn't this be on the blue tick?
02:39:307 (13) - aren't finishes on the end of a stream frowned upon? :s
OnosakiHito
Thank you Derekku!
I changed the two things, and much more.

00:54:425 (1) - shouldn't this be on the blue tick?
- Found two more
- Deleted some finishes
- 04:45:994 / changed the stream a little bit
- 05:16:798 / changed to don
- 05:19:622 / deleted the don
- 05:28:269 / changed to don
- and more...
Derekku
Did a hell of a bunch of testplaying to check though Marathon again and to also fine-tune the timing.

Taiko
*Isn't kiai supposed to only start/end on the downbeats of measures? Regardless, many kiai sections start/end at weird spots like blue ticks, so I highly suggest fixing those.
*Almost 3000 combo? Holy...

Marathon
*Just noticed that you have more than three slider speeds (didn't think about it when I suggested that you use a slower speed at 03:20:009). You'll need to either change 03:20:009's 0.75x speed (which I still think is too fast here and suggest trying 0.5x again) or remove the 2x from 02:40:603 (1).
*I wasn't going to complain about there being too much kiai, but using multiple fountains like at 06:48:774 and 06:49:681 is a bit excessive, especially since you didn't add them at 06:58:451 and 06:59:359. I suggest removing these two fountains.
*But, I wouldn't mind if you added one at 07:03:290 since I expected it here.
*Background sizes look kinda strange since many are too wide. The black bars at the top and bottom don't look that great, but it's up to you whether you wanna try messing with the SB to scale them, finding new images, or something like that.

*00:50:192 (3,1,2) - The slider speed changes around here are confusing enough with a 1/4th repeating slider that goes directly into more 1/4th notes. I think this would flow much better if you removed one repeat.
*02:12:073 (1) - I keep expecting this to be 1/3 earlier due to the really close distance spacing. How about vertically flipping it (and rotating it like 30 degrees with ctrl-shift-r) like this? http://puu.sh/rhv
*04:51:625 (1,2) - The 1/8th sliders here and at 04:53:032 (1,2) sound pretty bad imo. If you really have to use them, then perhaps try 1/6th snapping or something like that?
*06:22:161 (8) - perhaps add a note here?

Timing
6,910: +10 should work better
78,875: I'm not the best at streams, so this was a challenge to test, but I think it's fine.
107,430: Try +20 (feels really early)
112,604: Early, so +10.
163,304: Sounds fine.
250,804: Butterfly starts before this, and the beginning sounds a little bit fast, so try starting this at 238,145 instead (and resnap since the offset is changed a little bit)
04:46:004: The bpm is still fine here, but Misao is a bit earlier than the music. It's a bit hard to match the offset to her without making it really sound off with the music, so I'm not going to add a new offset.
300,034: Fine.
350,700: Felt a tiny bit off, but I think it's fine.
429,924: -5 felt a bit better. The timing gets early one second, then late the next, but an earlier offset felt like a better average for this section.
08:45:214: I hated to do it, but the last few measure felt even more off than the rest of the section. 525,214 should be close enough.

Remember to be very very careful when resnapping (do each section individually) as to not screw up the 1/4th and 1/3rd sections.

Unfortunately, MATs cannot bubble approval maps, so I really can't do anything else with this map. But good luck!
OnosakiHito

Derekku wrote:

Taiko
*Isn't kiai supposed to only start/end on the downbeats of measures? Regardless, many kiai sections start/end at weird spots like blue ticks, so I highly suggest fixing those.
*Almost 3000 combo? Holy...
- Well, not really. Kiai time is to be used in a highlight moment of a map. Because there are many maps made as one, there are also much more kiai times. But you're right. I deleted some kiai times.~
- Maa, 10min, hard to map with 999 hitcircles... idea was to split the song into two parts, but it isn't so good as it seems. But I think to break the 999 rule is not anymore so serious.

Timing:
107,430: Try +20 (feels really early) In Taiko +10 fits.
112,604: Early, so +10. In Taiko +5 fits.
250,804: Butterfly starts before this, and the beginning sounds a little bit fast, so try starting this at 238,145 instead (and resnap since the offset is changed a little bit) Damn, you are really good! Sounds nice now, and easier to play!
274.469(04:46:004) - In this part the timing section resnap made another combo. I think better then mine, check it out. xD
I changed all other time sections.^^


Oh well, I also done something in the storyboard. Totaly forgot that...:
Diffculty
- HP Drain Rate LvL 5.
- Overall Difficulty LvL 6.

Guest diff. Name:
Changed to Ono's Taiko Oni
http://www.sendspace.com/file/nztnd2

I hope everything is fine now. Well, it would be nice if someone would say how the part in 04:46:004 now is.
Topic Starter
Kert
2Derekku

Derekku wrote:

Marathon
*Just noticed that you have more than three slider speeds (didn't think about it when I suggested that you use a slower speed at 03:20:009). You'll need to either change 03:20:009's 0.75x speed (which I still think is too fast here and suggest trying 0.5x again) or remove the 2x from 02:40:603 (1). - Changed that 2x to 1x
*I wasn't going to complain about there being too much kiai, but using multiple fountains like at 06:48:774 and 06:49:681 is a bit excessive, especially since you didn't add them at 06:58:451 and 06:59:359. I suggest removing these two fountains. - Removed
*But, I wouldn't mind if you added one at 07:03:290 since I expected it here. - Added

*00:50:192 (3,1,2) - The slider speed changes around here are confusing enough with a 1/4th repeating slider that goes directly into more 1/4th notes. I think this would flow much better if you removed one repeat. - Remapped this part
*02:12:073 (1) - I keep expecting this to be 1/3 earlier due to the really close distance spacing. How about vertically flipping it (and rotating it like 30 degrees with ctrl-shift-r) like this? http://puu.sh/rhv - Remapped this part
*04:51:625 (1,2) - The 1/8th sliders here and at 04:53:032 (1,2) sound pretty bad imo. If you really have to use them, then perhaps try 1/6th snapping or something like that? - Remapped this part with 1/4 sliders
*06:22:161 (8) - perhaps add a note here? - It sounds strange for me, because I feel that part of the song already ends on the existing note before.

Timing
Changed and resnapped everything and added an inheriting section at the very end
Once again many thanks to you, Derek!
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-[ ix Ishida xi ]-
Star~
CapnDavid
Star.
Legalist
Star
Musty
Star
OnosakiHito
Daaaamn it! It should be already time.... xD
Beuchi
Uh, I was going to check this but I only get the Marathon diff, could you Full Submit please? :3

Ok time to check this!!

~All Diffs~
- I don't really get why are you using "song_banner.png" when you can just modify the Taiko BG and add it to it ._.
- Timing must be the same on all diffs. Please check all the timing sections (red ones, green ones don't matter here) carefully! Some have 10ms of difference and this is already noticeable. Also, the last timing section on Marathon doesn't appear on Taiko.

Storyboard:
- Having widescreen images mixed with 4:3 ones looks pretty weird sometimes (specially when you're fading them). Also, some of them aren't even on the center of the screen, so it looks even more ugly >.<. I'd either crop the widescreen images to make them 4:3 or scale the widescreen ones to fit the whole screen (which I don't recommend, because depending on the image you might get a huge SB Load).
- Why are you using "black.jpg" when you can use a black colored background at Song Setup and fade the images to it? Some parts have a 3-4x SB Load when it shouldn't be more than 1x.
- 01:47:322 - The image fades out so suddenly. Maybe it's on purpose, but I'd take advantage of the echo part and fade the image progressively with them.. Just throwing in ideas x3, you don't have to do it.
- 10:06:136 - Lucky Star is active until this point, I don't really think is necessary to have it for that long D:

~Ono's Taiko Oni~
- I'm not really a Taiko modder, but I feel this loooong map needs a decent taiko mod so expect one in a short while :3 Thank you so much arken <3

~Marathon~
04:17:235 (1) - I feel this spinner totally out of place, it might be just me but...
04:31:927 (2,3,4,5,6) - Loved this <3
04:57:265 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This sounds so off D:
06:58:905 (4,5) - I think this would be too harsh... Maybe decrease the spacing a bit on the whole pattern? Or maybe put these notes closer to (2,3).
07:15:874 to end - This part has a huge lack of hitsounds ;__;

Crazy map D: *star*
arien666
[Ono's Taiko Oni]
Make sure there's no break please :3 [No need to fill notes except what I say]
If possible, move Kiai toggle green line into right position not blank point ;_;
00:21:465 (1) - Delete Finish
00:54:738 (1) - ^
01:11:283 - [Suggestion] Maybe, you can fill some patterns on here ;_;?
01:31:756 (3) - Don
01:33:487 (2) - Need of Finish?
01:54:231 (1,2,3,1) - 1/6 seems little weird ;_; any good replacement?
01:56:826 (1,2,3,1) - ^
02:19:853 ~ 02:27:637 - Seems little random ;_;
02:29:745 - DO NOT CUT KIAI
02:43:656 (1) - Delete Finish
02:53:892 (2,3) - [Suggestion] Delete Finish?
03:57:068 (3) - Delete Finish
05:05:504 (2) - ^
06:33:200 (2) - ^
06:39:098 (1) - ^
07:37:945 - 1sec Kiai is not allowed on Taiko ;_;
07:48:454 (1) - Delete Finish
07:54:059 (3) - ^



/me is OUT OF ORDER AFTER THIS @#%(*!@)*%)!@*$_
Misja
Gr8 Map :P hard to map and mod :P
OnosakiHito
02:19:853 ~ 02:27:637 - Seems little random ;_;
I just didn't follow this, it's fine.~ Otherwise, thank you really much arien! :)
Crack, please give arien kd.

And here is the finished map.~
I changed the BG and deleted the ,,song_banner" picture.

Download: 14952 Nico Nico Douga - WAWAWA SPEED mix.zip
Topic Starter
Kert
Thanks Beuchi-chan and arken!
Beuchi-chaaan
Storyboard:
- Having widescreen images mixed with 4:3 ones looks pretty weird sometimes (specially when you're fading them). Also, some of them aren't even on the center of the screen, so it looks even more ugly >.<. I'd either crop the widescreen images to make them 4:3 or scale the widescreen ones to fit the whole screen (which I don't recommend, because depending on the image you might get a huge SB Load). - I tried to place them on the center of the screen
- Why are you using "black.jpg" when you can use a black colored background at Song Setup and fade the images to it? Some parts have a 3-4x SB Load when it shouldn't be more than 1x. - Fixed with the help of yours =)
- 01:47:322 - The image fades out so suddenly. Maybe it's on purpose, but I'd take advantage of the echo part and fade the image progressively with them.. Just throwing in ideas x3, you don't have to do it. Yeah, I followed that idea, Let me know, whether you like it now
- 10:06:136 - Lucky Star is active until this point, I don't really think is necessary to have it for that long D: - lol changed


~Marathon~
04:17:235 (1) - I feel this spinner totally out of place, it might be just me but... - It was more logical when it was shorter heh.. Well, I remapped this part!
04:31:927 (2,3,4,5,6) - Loved this <3 - Thanks! ^_^
04:57:265 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - This sounds so off D:
06:58:905 (4,5) - I think this would be too harsh... Maybe decrease the spacing a bit on the whole pattern? Or maybe put these notes closer to (2,3). - I Put those notes closer
07:15:874 to end - This part has a huge lack of hitsounds ;__; - Threw a bunch of hitsounds :3
And also thanks many guys, since my last post, for the stars! haha
Beuchi
You're going to kill me... xDDD

"fourgirlsshock" has a weird sudden movement when it starts scaling down. Don't worry, I fixed it for you xD

Replace the code on your .osu file with this one:

Sprite,Foreground,Centre,"luckystar-fourgirlsshock.jpg",320,240
F,0,73819,78865,0,1
M,0,73819,85351,366,240,417,265
S,0,73819,85351,1,1.14336
F,0,78865,85351,1
F,0,85351,,1
S,0,85351,86000,1.14336,0.8054401
M,0,85364,86013,417,265,319,247
F,0,107440,,1
F,0,107440,108744,1,0.6
F,0,108744,110048,0.625,0.3
F,0,110048,111353,0.325,0

That's all~
Topic Starter
Kert
I am not that evil =/
Fixed, thank you!
Beuchi
>w<!

Everything is allright for me now, let's go re-rank this!! :)

BUBBLE #1
OnosakiHito
да! го го го~! :D
EBAWER123
awesome
banvi
wawawa...
Galkan
I demand re-approval it ASAP.
OzzyOzrock
I thought Misao's sound was spelled, "VA" not "WA".

examples:

yep yep suta
Topic Starter
Kert
This was discussed already, but

The comments in videos vary:
some say - わぁわぁわぁわぁわぁわぁわぁわぁわ
others - ヴぁヴぁヴぁヴぁヴぁヴぁヴぁヴぁヴぁヴぁ
Also original mp3 had W in the title, so let it be as it is

As a side note: Anyone wants to be Santa? :<
abalee
mads... :o
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