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osu! Taiko World Cup 2015 - Discussion Thread

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Nashmun
Will we really have group stage as there is only 16teams ? If yes nobody will be kicked out or the brackets will start with only 8 teams ?
Dess1210
I think that the group stage is just to can lay our team in the Ro16. Maybe no one will be delete from tournament after the group stage ^^.
Jerry
I'm pretty confident at the fact that there were quite a number of registrations that were submitted from the Malaysian team.
So, why isn't our team on the list?
Asagi Mutsuki

Jerry wrote:

I'm pretty confident at the fact that there were quite a number of registrations that were submitted from the Malaysian team.
So, why isn't our team on the list?
Asked around and found out that there are AT LEAST 4 successful registrations from our country (Jerry, 1811, buhzidao and mine), which is more than the 3 that most accepted teams have

I'm pretty sure that all of our registrations were "valid and serious", since the four of us had participated in the previous TWC

So, care to explain why isn't our team on the accepted roster??
LunaticP
So it turns out actually , the team is formed by TM?

I finally know why no Japan player joining
Nashmun
TM didn't form the teams. Loctav sent the list of all participants to be checked and some of them have been rejected, that's why we have less players in teams that players that actually registered. And as you can have 6players per teams, if your country only get 6 or less validated player the team is obviously completed automatically.

Reasons for rejection will not be made public, so the best thing to do is that concerned players (rejected ones) send an email directly to TM to try to clarify the situation. Trust me it makes me feel sad as well but starting a drama here based on assumptions is not the right thing to do atm.
goatlife
Wooo go USA take it home

glad you could make the team kuro!
Lightning Wyvern
check your own account if you have pass a map with HDFL

I believe they didn't want to allow players that can do HDFL to join this tournament~

I smell some relationshit why france can get their full power in their team rosters and believe that they can get the #1 place with easily :c
Topic Starter
Loctav
People breaking the terms of services have been preliminarily filtered, as well as people who had a ranking below #8000. You may say majority of the teams were formed by me, this is true, but this only applied to those who had less than 6 registered users anyways. Why should I ask a TM to pick 5 people from a list that only consists of 5 people or even less?
If majority would simply stop breaking the osu! Terms of services, we wouldn't have this discussion. It's not hard to stop creating multi accounts or let your account be basically a whore where everybody plays on.
Not allowing cheaters is obvious, I guess. Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. Whoever got filtered knows very well why. Who claims otherwise, blatantly lies.

The only countries who had more than 6 registered users remaining after filtering all registrations were France and USA. In these cases, we declared a captain (MMzz and Nashmun in specific), presented them a list of all registrations and let them choose.

There is nothing wrong happening here. Japan did not register because they misunderstood the ruleset, as explained by TKS to OnosakiHito.
Asagi Mutsuki

Lightning Wyvern wrote:

check your own account if you have pass a map with HDFL

I believe they didn't want to allow players that can do HDFL to join this tournament~

I smell some relationshit why france can get their full power in their team rosters and believe that they can get the #1 place with easily :c
pls i hdfl'd saitama does that count
Jerry

Loctav wrote:

Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. .
I still don't understand why our team got filtered despite the fact that we joined for the past 4 years without any issues at all.
Arrival

Loctav wrote:

Whoever got filtered knows very well why. Who claims otherwise, blatantly lies.
"If you disagree you lie lol"
verto

Loctav wrote:

There is nothing wrong happening here.
So not allowing a country or two to participate because it's more convenient to run the tournament with 16 countries instead of 18 isn't wrong at all. Please remove your country from the world cup and allow an excluded country to participate instead if you really think there is nothing wrong happening.
Lightning Wyvern

cdhsausageboy wrote:

pls i hdfl'd saitama does that count
ofc that count
that's why there's only 4 people from my country from a total of 12 registered players orz

also

Loctav wrote:

Not allowing cheaters is obvious, I guess. Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. Whoever got filtered knows very well why. Who claims otherwise, blatantly lies.
If you know which one is cheater and which isn't, why don't you ban them from a long time ago ? :<
Dainesl
Well at least you have 16 teams now (p. sure it was 15 when first announced but maybe I miscounted or you were able to get 1 more team)

good luck to the participants o/
Thelma
keep calm and grab popcorn
Topic Starter
Loctav

Jerry wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Filtering these people has been done for 3 years already. .
I still don't understand why our team got filtered despite the fact that we joined for the past 4 years without any issues at all.
Maybe your members decided to break the ToS between the last TWC and the current TWC?
MYRKUL
Dear Loctav,

I just read the tournament rules carefully, and I didn't found a single word about "Terms of Service", "Multiaccount" or so.
If some of the applicants have broken the ToS, peppy should take care of them applying the current Osu! ruleset and the staff of this tournament should take care of his own rules.
Because of this, applying a simple rule inherit system, this tournament staff can't keep out an user with multiaccount (for example) because following Osu! rules their multiaccount should have been erased long time ago (You even admitted you know their multis by rejecting them), not banning their primary account.

If even with this staff keeps rejecting more users, Spain (and not just Spain) will leave TWC 2015.
dani

MYRKUL wrote:

Dear Loctav,

I just read the tournament rules carefully, and I didn't found a single word about "Terms of Service", "Multiaccount" or so.
If some of the applicants have broken the ToS, peppy should take care of them aplying the current Osu! ruleset and the staff of this tournament should take care of his own rules.
Because of this, aplying a simple rule inherit system, this tournament staff can't keep out an user with multiaccount (for example) because following Osu! rules their multiaccount should have been erased long time ago (You even admitted you know their multis by rejecting them), not banning their primary account.

If even with this staff keeps rejecting more users, Spain (and not just Spain) will leave TWC 2015.
+1
LZD

Loctav wrote:

as well as people who had a ranking below #8000
How to kill non-popular countries
Cocoa Kiru

dani wrote:

MYRKUL wrote:

Dear Loctav,

I just read the tournament rules carefully, and I didn't found a single word about "Terms of Service", "Multiaccount" or so.
If some of the applicants have broken the ToS, peppy should take care of them aplying the current Osu! ruleset and the staff of this tournament should take care of his own rules.
Because of this, aplying a simple rule inherit system, this tournament staff can't keep out an user with multiaccount (for example) because following Osu! rules their multiaccount should have been erased long time ago (You even admitted you know their multis by rejecting them), not banning their primary account.

If even with this staff keeps rejecting more users, Spain (and not just Spain) will leave TWC 2015.
+1
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Topic Starter
Loctav
Having multiaccounts place you with appropriate consequences. That we reject players due to ToS violation has been done for three years already and you never had a problem with it.

This is an official tournament. If you wish to participate in officla tournaments, you have to at least respect the simple terms of services you agreed on when signing up to osu!. We do not let people participate in tournaments we invest in, if they can not even follow our simple ruleset. It's not much we want. We just want you to stop shitting on the community, the staff and our rules if you want to take part in something we put effort in.

Keep in mind that we only pay attention to offenses happened within the last year. If you stop disrespecting our rules now, you can freely participate next year.
I am sorry that you dislike that some of your friends were expelled, but it is their fault if they couldn't follow a simple ruleset. I am not the one to blame here. And stop acting like this is news to you. Because it isn't.
Aka
does it mean that the limitations of exchanging players are going to be removed from all other mode world cups in future as well? really curious cause i see it for the first time
Elementaires
world cup
16 countries
pmriva
i dont have multiaccount, why do i got rejected?
Minhtam

Elementaires wrote:

world cup
16 countries
Hey, it could be worse. The World Cup of Hockey only has 6 countries, and they had to make up 2 artificial teams among the rest of the good players. :lol:
MYRKUL
At least I think rejected players should get an explanation
AJ-FreakS

MYRKUL wrote:

At least I think rejected players should get an explanation
Cyclohexane
Hey guys, Mr Color here coming in a little bit before this whole ordeal starts. As you guys know I'll be once more taking part in the play-by-play commentary for the event. I just wanted to introduce myself to the community once again in the middle of all the pre-cup drama. If you guys want to send me any pointers of things you feel I should mention on air about certain players, their strengths and weaknesses, as well as the maps that will be used, I will of course be studying up to offer the most insightful commentary possible, but I won't refuse a little help doing that, so by all means feel free to hit me up with a forum PM and I'll make sure to note down any interesting info you guys will send my way.

You guys have a good one, and I'll see you for the drawings!
DarkStoorM
TWC needs your sexy voice, Mr Color.

Mr Color wrote:

any pointers of things you feel I should mention on air about certain players, their strengths and weaknesses
B-but is this a good idea? Just hope there won't be any spies on the stream :D

inb4 - He's a HR monster, don't pick HR maps. Pick HD, because they are bad with it
peppy
I would definitely like to see more countries represented, and have already discussed with loctav about extending the entry period to make sure those that haven't yet registered can.
Kurai

peppy wrote:

I would definitely like to see more countries represented, and have already discussed with loctav about extending the entry period to make sure those that haven't yet registered can.
That'd be very nice. It's a shame that countries like Russia, Japan, Ukraine or other countries with good players are not represented :(
Arrival

peppy wrote:

I would definitely like to see more countries represented, and have already discussed with loctav about extending the entry period to make sure those that haven't yet registered can.
This wouldn't change a thing.
Even with 2 weeks more, the outcome would have been the same.
This is about motivation, not time.

Kurai wrote:

That'd be very nice. It's a shame that countries like Russia, Japan, Ukraine or other countries with good players are not represented :(
Japan didn't understand or didn't want to participate and Ukraine wasn't motivated.
Nashmun
Yup, we had a lot of countries with 2registrations, maybe we can PM them so that they can search for a third player ? We had registrations from 32 countries of so I guess we could easily gather more of them
OnosakiHito
The motivation is absolutely there (@Arrival) but all of them have either too less players (e.g. Ukraine), misunderstood the rules (e.g. Japan), don't have time (e.g. Netherlands) or their players got retired (e.g Russia). Some didn't even know about the TWC since they missed the information. So it's less about the motivation and more about the other things. I will also give a little transparency to you guys, so you are more certain about what has been done before (to come to Nashmuns suggestion):

SPOILER
UK, Norway, Finland, balkan has been also contacted.


And to solve the mystery about Japan (even though Loctav mentioned it before) I will also post a screen here:



I hope this could clear the air a bit. Will talk with Loctav about this.
Nashmun
Countries not having enough players are myths. A LOT of people doesn't want to register because they think they'll loose anyway. Along the year I've been told hundred of times that countries like Italy don't have any players and that we should allow multicountries team, and what do we see here ? An Italian team within the 16participant.
Even Hungary could gather a team because they had the motivation to, don't tell me countries like Russia/Ukraine/Brazil do not have enough player, I know by fact they have.

EDIT : Before someone points it out : I do not say every country of the world can gather a team so no need to point out a country saying "You see, no players". But there are way more than 16countries with players <#5000, just by playing multiplayer mode you should be able to see that
OnosakiHito
I absolutely agree with that. I've just put the information in a compact way. But even so, there is more than that sometimes - proud, certain rules, wrong view about mappools and more. There are more factors which effect the opinion of players in a country. I ecountered alot of them. So I think it is also about how we represent this TWC?
Arrival

OnosakiHito wrote:

The motivation is absolutely there (@Arrival) but all of them have either too less players (e.g. Ukraine), misunderstood the rules (e.g. Japan), don't have time (e.g. Netherlands) or their players got retired (e.g Russia). Some didn't even know about the TWC since they missed the information. So it's less about the motivation and more about the other things.
Well when you have the motivation you're able to find players (Please, Ukraine has 10 players in the Top #4K), or to find "time" (hey the whole NL team doesn't have the time, although all the other countries can register, really ?). And come on, there are like 300 Japanese who are able to play in the TWC, don't tell me only ONE of them understood the rules...
Kurai
No need to debate on the "why", just give countries a second chance to participate so that we have a good TWC. And I don't think anyone would be proud winning the tournament if Japan is not represented :p
OnosakiHito
I guess Kurai is right. I just wanted to show some transparency anyway, not debating about it. lol
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