Having more freedom in changing the time signature.

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Sea_Food

[TaikoTori] wrote:

If you have 7/8, you can get in 7 eight notes in each bar and so on.
How is that different from 7 seventh notes in each bar?

Anyway how about a feature that you can just time notes freely as in select the millisecond its placed on.
Lach

Sea_Food wrote:

[TaikoTori] wrote:

If you have 7/8, you can get in 7 eight notes in each bar and so on.
How is that different from 7 seventh notes in each bar?

Anyway how about a feature that you can just time notes freely as in select the millisecond its placed on.

baraatje123 wrote:

From how I understand this, you can do it by setting beatsnap divisor to something else then 1/4
I don't think either of you understand what is being requested here. This is about signature, not snap divisor. There's rules that contradict eachother in that you cannot double the bpm, and your map must be properly timed using correct signatures. If you cannot set the signature correctly, and you cannot double the bpm, there's a problem.
Fullerene-
I've mapped several songs that use 7/8 and it's a bit frustrating that there's no rankable solution to this, since time signatures are locked to n/4

I'd support but no stars oop
Shiro
This is actually a fairly important feature. Supporting, I hope this will get added eventually.
Little
Agree with this. Current limitations force the use of incorrect time signatures to get the correct technical behaviour from the game. It'd be great if we could have this so we can use correct time signatures, like when the music is in 2|4, 3|8, 5|8, 6|8, 7|8, etc.
hehe
i agree, some songs are in n/8 signatures ;_;
Stefan
It'd be useful for low BPM Maps in Taiko to prevent barline spam.
Okoratu

Stefan wrote:

It'd be useful for low BPM Maps in Taiko to prevent barline spam.
isnt taiko able to just omit unnecessary bar lines to avoid the spam except you mean red line spam


anyway if timing a song correctly includes setting the correct timing signature then idk how this isnt a thing yet as it would greatly simplify the life for many
benguin
Couldn't you just multiply/divide the bpm by a particular factor to simulate a traditional time signature? (BPM's and time signatures are artificial constructs, the only thing they influence is the how a note's representation with respect to duration appears in sheet music)
deetz

benguin wrote:

Couldn't you just multiply/divide the bpm by a particular factor to simulate a traditional time signature? (BPM's and time signatures are artificial constructs, the only thing they influence is the how a note's representation with respect to duration appears in sheet music)
technically that works, but it's unrankable.

Lach wrote:

There's rules that contradict eachother in that you cannot double the bpm, and your map must be properly timed using correct signatures. If you cannot set the signature correctly, and you cannot double the bpm, there's a problem.
support, this is actually quite important and should be added soon
Halogen-
Very strongly supporting this; this is an absolute necessity for osu!mania mappers who have the capability of mapping complex songs. osu!'s current structure for time signature is not strong enough to accommodate for strange time signatures.

I just recently got into osu!mania mapping after being someone who creates charts for other rhythm games, and I just found out that improper time signature is something that can disqualify maps from being ranked. I'm currently mapping Mirage Garden by xi, and anyone in here who has enough of an understanding will be able to tell you that it wouldn't be possible to appropriately accommodate for all of the timing changes unless I attempt to work around x/16 and x/8 time signatures by using extended x/4 time signatures. And as we know, incorrect time signatures for longer than two bars need to be fixed.

As benguin said, if the time signature can't be set appropriately in osu! and improper time signature is unrankable, that's a problem that could be mediated by doubling the BPM. Except... doubling the BPM causes a map to be unrankable, and we're back to square one all over again. :(
AndRay2014
I agree and support this feature. (No stars though sorry).
Even on Cytus, a popular rhythm game that's source for a lot of beatmaps, has a 7/4 and 11/8 song, two 5/4 songs, and so on.
Little

AndRay2014 wrote:

I agree and support this feature. (No stars though sorry).
Even on Cytus, a popular rhythm game that's source for a lot of beatmaps, has a 7/4 and 11/8 song, two 5/4 songs, and so on.
I'm not sure you understand what the problem is... the game already supports 5/4, 6/4, 7/4.
What's it's lacking now is the ability to use time signatures on beat divisions other than quarter notes, and number of beats per measure beyond [3,7].
AndRay2014

CloudSplash16 wrote:

I'm not sure you understand what the problem is... the game already supports 5/4, 6/4, 7/4.
What's it's lacking now is the ability to use time signatures on beat divisions other than quarter notes, and number of beats per measure beyond [3,7].
Yes, I got it. I even made a 5/4 song.
What i was trying to say (but failed completely) is that even popular games have odd signature songs. So why not include them all?
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
mazei
I would like for this feature to be added. Without it, it is effectively cutting off a section of music that can not be ranked because of the rules. For those saying these time signatures will be a niche and very rarely ever used, just take a look at Dream Theater. They have 12 studio albums, with most of their songs featuring odd time signatures of x/8 or x/16 and some x/12.

"But that is only one artist!" Well I just gave one example out of many that exist. Dream Theater is a progressive rock band, a genre which employs odd time signatures a fair bit. Here is another genre that uses odd time signatures as a common tool. A majority of music from these genres will never be able to get ranked unless there is a rule change or this feature is added.

"But why do we care about these songs?" Well why not? Being able to get these maps ranked would allow for more diversity. I love my fair share of Anime OPs, but there is so much more out there. For now there isn't many maps of these kinds of music even in unranked. The reason for that is anyone's guess, but I think if they were allowed to be ranked, then we might see more of them and who knows, we might actually really like some of these maps.

Just my 2 cents.
MauritsVEVO
I agree with Mazei. Several genres can now not be ranked, which is a shame. (Especially because most of my favorite bands use odd time signatures, haha)

I'd give stars to this idea, but I don't have any.
Pope Gadget

Look at how messy this is because of the restrictions on time signatures.
So in favour for better fluidity.
DarkVortex
Bump.

^This pic explains why this is actually needed
Topic Starter
[TaikoTori]

mazei wrote:

I would like for this feature to be added. Without it, it is effectively cutting off a section of music that can not be ranked because of the rules. For those saying these time signatures will be a niche and very rarely ever used, just take a look at Dream Theater. They have 12 studio albums, with most of their songs featuring odd time signatures of x/8 or x/16 and some x/12.

"But that is only one artist!" Well I just gave one example out of many that exist. Dream Theater is a progressive rock band, a genre which employs odd time signatures a fair bit. Here is another genre that uses odd time signatures as a common tool. A majority of music from these genres will never be able to get ranked unless there is a rule change or this feature is added.

"But why do we care about these songs?" Well why not? Being able to get these maps ranked would allow for more diversity. I love my fair share of Anime OPs, but there is so much more out there. For now there isn't many maps of these kinds of music even in unranked. The reason for that is anyone's guess, but I think if they were allowed to be ranked, then we might see more of them and who knows, we might actually really like some of these maps.

Just my 2 cents.
Using that as a pun to present you that song.
"Schism" is renowned for its use of uncommon time signatures and the frequency of its meter changes. In one analysis of the song, the song alters meter 47 times. [...]The following verse exhibits a similar pattern to the first, alternating bars of 5/8 and 7/8. The next section is bars of 6/4 followed by one bar of 11/8. This takes the song back into alternating 5/8 and 7/8. Another 6/8 and 7/8 section follows, and after this the song goes into repeating 7/8 bars.".
->https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schism_(song)

There are tons of musical genres out there that use odd time signatures. Tons of them; its not niché, as written by mazei. I am really hoping this will get noticed soon; I am actually really not able to map so many songs due to this restriction, its ridiculous. And yes, i may be one of the only people that actually try to map stuff like that, but still, it adds diversity.

Oh, and by the way. Even if its an old map. But This was mapped using 4/4. Not to offend the mapper, the ones getting it ranked back then also made a mistake, but this is technically just not properly timed, and therefore against the ranking criteria.

I dont want to offend anyone by saying that, but its just a prime example of why this should get implemented. :x
mazei

[TaikoTori] wrote:

Using that as a pun to present you that song.
"Schism" is renowned for its use of uncommon time signatures and the frequency of its meter changes. In one analysis of the song, the song alters meter 47 times. [...]The following verse exhibits a similar pattern to the first, alternating bars of 5/8 and 7/8. The next section is bars of 6/4 followed by one bar of 11/8. This takes the song back into alternating 5/8 and 7/8. Another 6/8 and 7/8 section follows, and after this the song goes into repeating 7/8 bars.".
->https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schism_(song)

There are tons of musical genres out there that use odd time signatures. Tons of them; its not niché, as written by mazei. I am really hoping this will get noticed soon; I am actually really not able to map so many songs due to this restriction, its ridiculous. And yes, i may be one of the only people that actually try to map stuff like that, but still, it adds diversity.

Oh, and by the way. Even if its an old map. But This was mapped using 4/4. Not to offend the mapper, the ones getting it ranked back then also made a mistake, but this is technically just not properly timed, and therefore against the ranking criteria.

I dont want to offend anyone by saying that, but its just a prime example of why this should get implemented. :x
Definitely not niche, I'm not sure where in my post made it seem like I was saying it was. There are definitely a whole lot more genres that I did not mention, but just wanted to mention Prog Rock and Math Rock as those two are the ones I'm very much more familiar with.
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