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Momochikun
hi

[Insane]
01:32:573 (3) - should be 1/3, extend to 01:32:795 -
01:35:240 (3) - ^, if you listen properly there're 1/3 drum that played from 01:35:240 - to 01:35:462 -
01:52:462 (8) - this slider was offbeat, ditch this into 01:52:684 - to catch th drum

I'm not sure with the guitar stream part if that's fully 1/4, may ask Qat's or timing experts for confirmation

[Extra]
00:19:574 (3) - should be 1/6 , extend to 00:20:130 -
01:38:073 (4) - offbeat.. should be 1/3 to catch the vocal, move to 01:38:129 -
01:40:740 (4) - ^ , move to 01:40:795 -

@Ike : yes i'm sure, there're beat and vocal played at 1/3 there.
BeatofIke
Are you sure that these notes are 1/3 and 1/6? Sounds like 1/2 and 1/4 to me.
I only hear 1/3 beats from 00:31:574 to 00:36:908 and from 01:47:573 to 01:52:906.
Topic Starter
Setsurei

BeatofIke wrote:

Are you sure that these notes are 1/3 and 1/6? Sounds like 1/2 and 1/4 to me.
I only hear 1/3 beats from 00:31:574 to 00:36:908 and from 01:47:573 to 01:52:906.
to add Ike's --> 03:07:571 - 03:22:238 - this part is ⅓

Liar Mask's song is epic, it always be ⅓ before the Waltz. as I hear it carefully, it is ½ or ¼
I'll ask for more people. whether those that Mochi's pointed is ½ or ⅓
captin1

Momochikun wrote:

hi

[Insane]
01:32:573 (3) - should be 1/3, extend to 01:32:795 - agree
01:35:240 (3) - ^, if you listen properly there're 1/3 drum that played from 01:35:240 - to 01:35:462 - agree
01:52:462 (8) - this slider was offbeat, ditch this into 01:52:684 - to catch th drum agree

I'm not sure with the guitar stream part if that's fully 1/4, may ask Qat's or timing experts for confirmation most of it should be fine since it's usually backed up by 1/4 in the drum

[Extra]
00:19:574 (3) - should be 1/6 , extend to 00:20:130 - disagree, vocal starts on the red tick, just feels a bit delayed because of her pronunciation
01:38:073 (4) - offbeat.. should be 1/3 to catch the vocal, move to 01:38:129 - agree
01:40:740 (4) - ^ , move to 01:40:795 - agree

@Ike : yes i'm sure, there're beat and vocal played at 1/3 there.
wendao
fixed both

http://puu.sh/gncqC.zip

thanks
Topic Starter
Setsurei
fixed all based on captin1's

thanks for mod! - updated everything
wendao
apa kabar
Topic Starter
Setsurei

wendao wrote:

apa kabar
you've ruined the 2 kudosus post :<
wendao
b-but, there's nobody want to mod this :'<
Litharrale
Well I'm coming in to mod after a couple of BNs and greens. So...I'll try my best. From your M4M queue btw.

[Extra]
Just a note, it's not an actual problem but I feel like this map has a really odd difficulty spread. It seems as though most of the difficulty stems from the streams and quarter jumps, everything else is fairly simple mostly in terms of spacing. Is this bad? Of course not, it's a super subjective opinion anyway. Just wanted to let you know.

Now onto the mod!

00:02:109 (1) - Lower the volume, I know it's at 30% but the whistles are really piercing for such a quiet section.
00:21:908 (2,3,4,5) - Spacing pretty inconsistent between the 2 and 3
00:36:241 (5,6,7) - Perfect example of what I was talking about in my note before. The spacing between these is tiny and doesn't belong in an extra, these should be spaced much further apart to create tension before the quiet section.
00:39:908 (4) - NC for new stanza
01:11:073 (1) - Redundant NC
01:48:240 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - I love this pattern but I'm confused as to why the spacing is inconsistent, especially since just past this you have another spaced stream with constant spacing
02:10:905 (1) - Redundant NC again. They don't really add anything apart from free HP.
If you're going to stack the 02:24:571 (10,6) - then stack 02:24:793 (1,7) - as well
02:27:071 (1) - NC again :/ I get this is a design choice but it really doesn't need to be there.
02:29:404 (2,4) - stack
03:00:488 (4) - I like this whole section. GJ.
03:06:904 (1,2) - srsly tho
03:12:238 (1,2,3) - Ok this is an objective NC that you should remove.
04:01:903 (2) - move one pixel to the left for a better blanket on (1)
04:19:792 (1) - ._.
04:25:070 (1) - By this point you've either agreed with me or disagreed so I'm gonna stop pointing these out

That's all from me!
wendao

Litharrale wrote:

Well I'm coming in to mod after a couple of BNs and greens. So...I'll try my best. From your M4M queue btw.

[Extra]
Just a note, it's not an actual problem but I feel like this map has a really odd difficulty spread. It seems as though most of the difficulty stems from the streams and quarter jumps, everything else is fairly simple mostly in terms of spacing. Is this bad? Of course not, it's a super subjective opinion anyway. Just wanted to let you know.

Now onto the mod!

00:02:109 (1) - Lower the volume, I know it's at 30% but the whistles are really piercing for such a quiet section. a bit
00:21:908 (2,3,4,5) - Spacing pretty inconsistent between the 2 and 3 well it's on purpose
00:36:241 (5,6,7) - Perfect example of what I was talking about in my note before. The spacing between these is tiny and doesn't belong in an extra, these should be spaced much further apart to create tension before the quiet section. there's nothing wrong with it
00:39:908 (4) - NC for new stanza k
01:11:073 (1) - Redundant NC if it's not because of slider multiplier, I won't NC'd this
01:48:240 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - I love this pattern but I'm confused as to why the spacing is inconsistent, especially since just past this you have another spaced stream with constant spacing a, I like this
02:10:905 (1) - Redundant NC again. They don't really add anything apart from free HP. ^
If you're going to stack the 02:24:571 (10,6) - then stack 02:24:793 (1,7) - as well kept
02:27:071 (1) - NC again :/ I get this is a design choice but it really doesn't need to be there. ^
02:29:404 (2,4) - stack manual stacking
03:00:488 (4) - I like this whole section. GJ. ty~
03:06:904 (1,2) - srsly tho hmm?
03:12:238 (1,2,3) - Ok this is an objective NC that you should remove. I don't know why.. but ok
04:01:903 (2) - move one pixel to the left for a better blanket on (1) k
04:19:792 (1) - ._. ^
04:25:070 (1) - By this point you've either agreed with me or disagreed so I'm gonna stop pointing these out ^

That's all from me!
http://puu.sh/h3olA.zip
FreeSongs
hihi~ M4M from Setsurei's queue

[General]
Looks fine!!

[Easy]
01:57:906 (2,3) - Improve the blanket maybe? It can be fixed by moving the slider tail point of 01:57:906 (2) - to[x:208, y:320]
02:00:905 (1,2) - ^
02:03:905 (4,1) - ^
03:27:238 (2,3) - ^

[Normal]
01:26:240 (1,2,3) - Those slider tails are not on the beat. My suggestion is to shorten all of them by 1/2 beats like this:
04:34:903 (1,2,3) - ^
01:57:906 (2) - It is not completely parallel to 01:58:906 (3) - . It can be fixed by moving the slider tail point to [x:412,y:116]
02:07:905 (2) - Improve the blanket by unbending the slider a little bit
02:08:905 (3) - ^


[Hard]
00:16:130 (2) - Maybe remove this circle? (since you don't have circle here 00:16:797 - )
01:05:573 (5) - Unbend this slider a bit to make a better blanket with 01:05:906 (6) -
01:52:684 - Add a circle here?
02:06:905 (1) - Move it a little bit higher because this slider is touching the score metre(hit error bar).
04:24:236 (6) - I suggest to change the rhythm a little bit by shifting the slider 1/2 beat left and add a circle at 04:24:570 - like this:

[Insane]
00:33:908 (5) - Remove the circle. Also add a circle here 00:34:019 - sounds better imo.
04:10:737 (6) - Unbend this slider a bit to make a better blanket
04:14:904 (1) - The distance between this circle and 04:15:070 (2) - is too far compared to the previous distance. How about placing it around x:144,y:288

[wendao's Extra]
00:54:907 (1) - Ctrl+G? And it should end at 00:55:240 -
01:25:906 (3) - In my opinion, to make the flow smoother, this short slider can be away from 01:25:740 (2) - like this:
04:34:403 (2,3,4) - ^
02:32:571 (3) - Maybe remove this circle? Also, place 02:32:404 (2) - around (x:240, y:132) and place 02:32:404 (2) - around(x:100,y:240) like this
02:35:571 (1) - Adjust the slider a little bit so that it turns right on the beats: (the first red slider point:[x:120,y:112], the second red slider point:[x:220,y:208], the third red slider point [x:256,y:76])
02:37:904 (2) - This circle is unnecessary here. consider to remove it
04:01:903 (2) - Ctrl+G? And also move one grid left to make a better blanket

Hope this helps! :)
Good Luck!!
wendao

FreeSongs wrote:

[wendao's Extra]
00:54:907 (1) - Ctrl+G? And it should end at 00:55:240 - the whistle ends at 00:55:157 - so keep (remapped a bit)
01:25:906 (3) - In my opinion, to make the flow smoother, this short slider can be away from 01:25:740 (2) - like this: I make it closer to give attention to player that this slider is not 1/4 but 1/6
04:34:403 (2,3,4) - ^ ^
02:32:571 (3) - Maybe remove this circle? Also, place 02:32:404 (2) - around (x:240, y:132) and place 02:32:404 (2) - around(x:100,y:240) like this there's no problem with this circle, kept

02:35:571 (1) - Adjust the slider a little bit so that it turns right on the beats: (the first red slider point:[x:120,y:112], the second red slider point:[x:220,y:208], the third red slider point [x:256,y:76]) fixed, with my own slider
02:37:904 (2) - This circle is unnecessary here. consider to remove it it's necessary.
04:01:903 (2) - Ctrl+G? And also move one grid left to make a better blanket will reconsider

Hope this helps! :)
Good Luck!!
http://puu.sh/h8f1q.zip
Topic Starter
Setsurei

FreeSongs wrote:

hihi~ M4M from Setsurei's queue

[Easy]
01:57:906 (2,3) - Improve the blanket maybe? It can be fixed by moving the slider tail point of 01:57:906 (2) - to[x:208, y:320]
02:00:905 (1,2) - ^
02:03:905 (4,1) - ^
03:27:238 (2,3) - ^
fixed all above

[Normal]
01:26:240 (1,2,3) - Those slider tails are not on the beat. My suggestion is to shorten all of them by 1/2 beats like this:
04:34:903 (1,2,3) - ^
01:57:906 (2) - It is not completely parallel to 01:58:906 (3) - . It can be fixed by moving the slider tail point to [x:412,y:116]
02:07:905 (2) - Improve the blanket by unbending the slider a little bit
02:08:905 (3) - ^
fixed all above

[Hard]
00:16:130 (2) - Maybe remove this circle? (since you don't have circle here 00:16:797 - )
01:05:573 (5) - Unbend this slider a bit to make a better blanket with 01:05:906 (6) -
01:52:684 - Add a circle here?
02:06:905 (1) - Move it a little bit higher because this slider is touching the score metre(hit error bar).
04:24:236 (6) - I suggest to change the rhythm a little bit by shifting the slider 1/2 beat left and add a circle at 04:24:570 - like this:
fixed all above


[Insane]
00:33:908 (5) - Remove the circle. Also add a circle here 00:34:019 - sounds better imo.
04:10:737 (6) - Unbend this slider a bit to make a better blanket
04:14:904 (1) - The distance between this circle and 04:15:070 (2) - is too far compared to the previous distance. How about placing it around x:144,y:288
fixed all above

Hope this helps! :)
Good Luck!!
thanks for mod! updated everything
SnowNiNo_
my mod is only my opinion
you can choose to fix or not to fix :3

[HARD]
recommand change AR7.5 to AR8
dont to put every note and slider on every vocal @@ especially in Kiai mode
00:04:509 (5,1,2) - different distance, fix it
00:07:709 (4) - NC and 00:08:509 (1) dont NC
00:20:908 (1,2) - change to a slider and change the direction
00:21:574 (4,5,6,7) - different distance, fix it
00:27:241 (2,3,4) - ^
02:15:738 (4) - change to 2 note
02:38:404 - too empty
03:23:738 - change the slider and add a note here
03:23:904 - ^
03:38:904 (2,3,4,5,6) - weird shape@@, fix it
03:47:237 (4,5,6) - different distance, fix it
03:49:570 (6) - delete
03:52:903 (5,6) - change the volumn lower
04:14:236 (6,7,1) - different distance, fix it

[INSANE]
00:07:509 (4) - delete
00:31:908 (2) - move to 00:31:797
00:32:574 (4) - move to 00:32:463 and the slider end mut be 00:32:686
01:02:573 (1,2,3) - DS
01:04:906 (1) - dont NC
01:07:906 (1,2,3) - DS
01:10:406 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - not match to the song LOL
01:16:740 (4) - change the distance
02:13:238 (5) - NC
02:15:405 (4) - NC
03:52:903 (3) - ^

[wendao's Extra]
00:11:709 (1,2,3,4,5) - different distance, fix it
00:33:741 (4,5,6) - delete and 00:33:797 - add a note 00:34:019 - add a note
04:31:792 (7,8) - delete and 04:31:820 - add a note
04:33:125 (7,8) - ^ 04:33:153 - ^
wendao
no 2 kds more huh, meaning I can spam here again \o/
SannyStar
Hii, Me again and this is my mod :3

Extra

SPOILER
  1. 00:46:907 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This part is not in the rhythm (could something like this: http://puu.sh/io4ch/3933626e41.jpg )
  2. 00:54:907 (1) - This Slider should be extended to 00:55:240
  3. 01:31:740 Why here is not mapped?
  4. 01:56:906 (1) - This slider is out of rhythm (So it could be: http://puu.sh/io4pd/aab58b2520.jpg )
  5. 01:58:906 (6) - Again
So that's it, good luck ♥♦♣♠
wendao

SannyStar wrote:

Hii, Me again and this is my mod :3

Extra

SPOILER
  1. 00:46:907 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This part is not in the rhythm (could something like this: http://puu.sh/io4ch/3933626e41.jpg ) no
  2. 00:54:907 (1) - This Slider should be extended to 00:55:240 no
  3. 01:31:740 Why here is not mapped? err... not good part to map
  4. 01:56:906 (1) - This slider is out of rhythm (So it could be: http://puu.sh/io4pd/aab58b2520.jpg ) no
  5. 01:58:906 (6) - Again no
So that's it, good luck ♥♦♣♠
mostly I followed the drum / guitar rhythm instead of vocal

thanks (no change but got something to change)

http://puu.sh/iuLbt.zip
Topic Starter
Setsurei

SnowNiNo_ wrote:

my mod is only my opinion
you can choose to fix or not to fix :3

[HARD]
recommand change AR7.5 to AR8 I still prefer 7.5
dont to put every note and slider on every vocal @@ especially in Kiai mode :<
00:04:509 (5,1,2) - different distance, fix it this is too minor, I'll let this be
00:07:709 (4) - NC and 00:08:509 (1) dont NC the NC is to differentiate the slider velocity (transition)
00:20:908 (1,2) - change to a slider and change the direction prefer hitcircles since it is strong enough
00:21:574 (4,5,6,7) - different distance, fix it same case
00:27:241 (2,3,4) - ^ ^
02:15:738 (4) - change to 2 note sudden 1/4 slider is already a shock to the players, so I don't want to make it worsen by 2 1/4 hitcircles
02:38:404 - too empty this is on purpose
03:23:738 - change the slider and add a note here follow violin here
03:23:904 - ^ ^
03:38:904 (2,3,4,5,6) - weird shape@@, fix it how come lol, that's a hexagon
03:47:237 (4,5,6) - different distance, fix it this one is a bit jumpy on kiai so no problem
03:49:570 (6) - delete strong beat, why
03:52:903 (5,6) - change the volumn lower nice idea, I'll apply this on all diff
04:14:236 (6,7,1) - different distance, fix it same case

[INSANE]
00:07:509 (4) - delete why
00:31:908 (2) - move to 00:31:797 ok
00:32:574 (4) - move to 00:32:463 and the slider end mut be 00:32:686 no, faint there no sound
01:02:573 (1,2,3) - DS on purpose
01:04:906 (1) - dont NC fixed something there
01:07:906 (1,2,3) - DS on purpose
01:10:406 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - not match to the song LOL follow the fast paced violin
01:16:740 (4) - change the distance stack on purpose
02:13:238 (5) - NC prefer not
02:15:405 (4) - NC ^
03:52:903 (3) - ^ NC because volume changes, want to make it different than the others
thanks for mod, sorry for late reply. updated everything
wendao

SnowNiNo_ wrote:

[wendao's Extra]
00:11:709 (1,2,3,4,5) - different distance, fix it
00:33:741 (4,5,6) - delete and 00:33:797 - add a note 00:34:019 - add a note
04:31:792 (7,8) - delete and 04:31:820 - add a note
04:33:125 (7,8) - ^
04:33:153 - ^
no changes for this one by the way (forgot to quote), sorry
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