[invalid] #osu needs fixing

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Bara-
I agree with 2/3, but 1 would be terrible
2 mightalso not be that good of an idea, but might be helpful
3 would be the best IMHO
KinkiN
there will be ppl like that everywhere, even if you're fixing the #osu channel. That's why Chat Moderators exist.

also making a channel exclusive for supporters is a bad idea, because it somehow can develop superiority complex imo
Karuta-
No we don't need this
Topic Starter
Kitsunemimi

baraatje123 wrote:

I agree with 2/3, but 1 would be terrible
Can you explain why you think 1 is bad?

Yuzuru wrote:

there will be ppl like that everywhere, even if you're fixing the #osu channel. That's why Chat Moderators exist.
I think you don't understand the problem with #osu right now, and it's that since there are more people playing the game, more people will randomly open the chat and add random unhelpful comments. Lately it's been getting to the point where it's absolutely out of control; we've already had an increase in chat mods this year, yet despite this it would take an absurd amount of moderation to keep everything in control in a single channel.

For the record, and I don't mean to be imposing or anything, but I don't think people should be downright denying this request without actually being a part of #osu and knowing what goes on in there.
Maeglwn
so instead of contain all of the stupidity in one place where moderators can control it, you want moderators to have to moderate 3 other channels on top of that

great idea dude
Bladesu
I think a supporter only channel would be great.
Maeglwn

RMaltsaar wrote:

I think a supporter only channel would be great.
it would create a sense of elitism in the community and it would make #osu practically unusable

I'm not sure it's ag ood idea, I think it's already been requested before anyways
AnotherEpicName
2 and 3 sound good, (#supporter and not auto joining #osu)
don't do 1 it'ld just bring more work for mods and it would feel weird
Kuro
This is why I don't use #osu... I'm always in #taiko anyway and I find it more peaceful there. What annoys me though is that #osu automatically opens every time I start osu! but that's it's own problem entirely.

Back on topic:

#1 --> I can see how it would be useful but essentially you're just splitting 1 big "stupid" into four separate "stupid" and that just creates more work for Moderators

#2 --> #supporter sounds like a good idea. I don't think it would cause a sense of elitism or a superiority complex in the community, as the others suggested it would, because last time I checked supporter isn't free so that means only people with jobs should have it and those people most likely have common sense and bearing... or at least they hopefully have it... One argument against this though is that this option still doesn't necessarily fix the problem.

#3 --> I have mixed feelings on this... Disabling automatic entry would definitely be an effective measure in deterring the amount of nonsense that goes on there. But once you do that, where does it all go? Sure #osu would be a better place but every other channel would possibly become worse and what moderators we do have, would be stretched thinly across all of osu.
Sulker

Maeglwn wrote:

it would create a sense of elitism in the community and it would make #osu practically unusable
There is already a sense of elitism between becoming a supporter or not (Yellow Name, osu!direct, access to certain things). Adding more goodies for us wouldn't cause any issue at all.

Though even though the idea is seriously vague, I kinda say the third one would be the best one out of them all though it won't possibly fix the issue at all. #2 In which revoking supporter status bonuses is just completely retarded to even state and splitting channels just cause more fatigue to staff.
RBRat3
You can slice that #osu! cake as much as you want but at the end of the day it's still a cake... Everything you suggested will not solve your problem of enjoying yourself.

Elitism aside a novelty channel such as #supporter will eventually hit a saturation point full of nonsense and extra channels will have vacancy at times where the people you want to talk to wont be there or give it the attention in favor of a more verbally saturated channel (Like sheep we'll all be lead to the slaughter house and you'll be forever alone).

It wouldn't surprise me if peps got fed up with osu! chats getting supersaturated reduced to the point of a shitty twitch chat and ultimately shuts down channels in favor something like invite only rooms based around a friend system which is what most users do through 3rd party connectivity like skype, mumble, vent, G+ hangouts, etc...

My only solution to you is make friends and pick a system or skip osu! entirely for another chat system if all you wanted was conversation ^_^
Topic Starter
Kitsunemimi

RBRat3 wrote:

Elitism aside a novelty channel such as #supporter will eventually hit a saturation point full of nonsense and extra channels will have vacancy at times where the people you want to talk to wont be there or give it the attention in favor of a more verbally saturated channel (Like sheep we'll all be lead to the slaughter house and you'll be forever alone).
So instead of a partial solution, it's better to not do anything at all?

RBRat3 wrote:

My only solution to you is make friends and pick a system or skip osu! entirely for another chat system if all you wanted was conversation ^_^
Please don't make it sound like I don't have any friends ._.
There are a couple of friends who somehow have a ridiculous level of retard tolerance and tend to stay in #osu all the time (rather than #modhelp or #english), I'd personally like to be able to chat with them in the general chat without dealing with all the extra mayhem that goes on in there.

But I've pretty much gotten the idea that apparently I'm the only one who actually wants to do something about osu!. Guess it's just because I'm from the 2009/2010 #osu era. Just fuck everything right? Let's let the chat burn in hell why don't we.
Trash Boat
Supporter channel sounds like a VIP channel and they may not like it, the multiple channels could be useful tho.
Kuro

Kitsunemimi wrote:

But I've pretty much gotten the idea that apparently I'm the only one who actually wants to do something about osu!. Guess it's just because I'm from the 2009/2010 #osu era. Just fuck everything right? Let's let the chat burn in hell why don't we.
Calm down, nobody's saying that... Even if #osu doesn't get a complete overhaul, it would still be idea to take a step in the right direction. The reason you opened this thread was so you could try to get this fixed right? Jumping to conclusions as soon as someone doesn't necessarily agree with you, won't get you anywhere.

First, disabling automatic entry of #osu would be the way to go. It seems like the least harmful way to approach this.
Next would most likely be this -- https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/19891 -- Peppy's already mentioned that he's thinking of a way to implement this.

Just these two alone would most likely solve your problem.
FrzR
The supporter only channel feels a bit discriminating. Dunno lol
Nyxa

Yuzuru wrote:

there will be ppl like that everywhere, even if you're fixing the #osu channel. That's why Chat Moderators exist.

also making a channel exclusive for supporters is a bad idea, because it somehow can develop superiority complex imo
Have you ever tried to moderate a channel?
I have. It was a channel with 100-150 users of activity and it was a pain day in and day out with stubborn users who think they're funny or cool and love to shit up the place

There are 7,715 users online right now and most of them are in #osu

Get real

wow i can't fucking post fuck how do i forum
KinkiN

Tess wrote:

Have you ever tried to moderate a channel?
I have. It was a channel with 100-150 users of activity and it was a pain day in and day out with stubborn users who think they're funny or cool and love to shit up the place

There are 7,715 users online right now and most of them are in #osu

Get real

Maeglwn wrote:

so instead of contain all of the stupidity in one place where moderators can control it, you want moderators to have to moderate 3 other channels on top of that
get real. I don't intend to make a drama here so stop your offensive language. making more channels doesn't make the retard become someone smarter
Nyxa

Yuzuru wrote:

Maeglwn wrote:

so instead of contain all of the stupidity in one place where moderators can control it, you want moderators to have to moderate 3 other channels on top of that
get real
Yes, that's exactly what the suggestion is. Because smaller groups of stupidity are easier to control than one large one.
Divide & Conquer, ever heard of it?

Also what's offensive about saying you're being unrealistic

Fr33z3R wrote:

The supporter only channel feels a bit discriminating. Dunno lol
Supporter features are discrimination. That's why they exist at all.

Google wrote:

discrimination
noun
1.
the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
"victims of racial discrimination"
2.
recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another.
"discrimination between right and wrong"
In this case it would be definition #2 - the discrimination between someone who supports the game and someone who doesn't
There's nothing wrong with that, discrimination isn't inherently bad and there's nothing unjust about giving additional benefits to someone who supports your game
Be happy peppy didn't plaster osu! with viagra and leagueofangels ads and doesn't really ask for a huge amount per month
Other games are way worse with this, you know. Osu! players are spoiled.
KinkiN

Tess wrote:

Yes, that's exactly what the suggestion is. Because smaller groups of stupidity are easier to control than one large one.
Divide & Conquer, ever heard of it?
do you think osu! is a war place when you need some kind of tactics to win over a battle? no. ever heard about genocide? does genocide happen in one concentrated place or in many places in one time?

Tess wrote:

Also what's offensive about saying you're being unrealistic
you have edited your post. there's no need for me to repeat it
Nyxa
I edited my post because I fucked it over like thrice because I don't know how to post. If you mean me saying that you watch too much anime it's because your thinking is similar to the ideas I've seen in anime. Life isn't like that, and though a lot of people say that they can distinguish between the two, they really can't, at least not fully

Osu isn't a war place, and "Divide & Conquer" has use in more places than war. If you want to do a big task, it's way easier to split it between several people and have them all work on one aspect of the task than doing it all by yourself, or working on the entire task with the entire group without organization. Splitting things into smaller components always leads to more clarity, especially when it comes to groups of people and keeping them in check. 1000 people in one place are way harder to shut up than 10 groups of 100 people.

Like do you really think you'll solve the situation by keeping everything as-is? Because if you do then there's no point in further discussing this with you

And if you don't it'd be nice to see you present an actual solution since #osu is a legitimate problem that needs fixing
We don't need to eliminate the stupid, that's impossible, just suppress it. That makes it go away in the long run if you do it right.
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