Feint - Face Down

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phaZ

Tenderz wrote:

Tiny mod

[Easy]
00:29:388 (4,1,2) - Why doesn't this part have clicky hitsounds? forgot

[Normal]
00:51:845 (6,1) - I think these don't connect so well, as the time between 6-1 is shorter than 1-2, makes the transition weird. i think following the melody is more important than following non existent downbeats here^^
01:13:278 (3,4,1) - Kinda the same here, just doesn't work well.^

[Insane]
00:18:074 (1) - Not sure if intended but this one has no sliderslide sound and on 00:20:817 (1) - it stops halfway ahh someone noticed^^ nah this is intentional. im using a different sliderslide-sound when the deep noise is audible
00:56:302 (6,1) - 00:59:045 (6,1) - The sudden jump break feels weird to me, either stack those, or flip move them sliders to the other side hmm not nessecary imo. i will change that if it should be troublesome somewhen else tho
00:45:845 (5) - Clap missing on slider head? yes, thx!

Very nice hitsounding here (●´ω`●)b :3
thanks for mod!

i changed a timeline snapping issue in all diffs, too.
Sonnyc
General:

Inconsistent Volume Setting
  1. 00:22:188 - 01:06:078 - To avoid potential issues, please fix the inconsistent volume such as this.


Stjpa's Easy:

Combo Usage
  1. 00:38:645 (1,1,1,1) - Using every slider with a new combo lacked in forming a structure.


Rhythm
  1. 01:48:592 (1,1,2) - The rhythm transition between (1,1) was tricky for beginners to catch up. Removing 01:50:821 (1) is recommended.


Normal:

Spacing
  • Places where you could improve distance snap.
  1. 00:34:359 (2,3) -
  2. 00:41:388 (1,2,3) -


Inappropriate Pattern
  1. 00:53:559 (4,1) - This is forming a 1/2 jump which doesn't suit the overall difficulty.


Pattern Readability
  1. 01:40:364 (3,1) - Low readability due to slider path of (1) being covered by (3).


Bonsai's Insane:

Inaudible Hitsound
  1. 00:16:703 (1,2,3,4) - The setted volume is too low to hear. Please set to at least 15%.


Inappropriate Rhythm
  1. 01:00:759 - Your rhythm concept here was pretty much consistent since 00:55:102 - by following the major instruments. However since a new drum beat starts appearing since 01:00:588 - ignoring the major beat of 01:00:759 - wasn't appropriate enough.


Insane:

Inaudible Hitsound
  1. 00:16:703 (1,1,1,1) - The setted volume is too low to hear. Please set to at least 15%. If you do not plan a fix, then please note that 00:17:388 - has an inconsistent volume setting.


Inappropriate Jumps
  • The following jumps were exaggerated and forms an unnatural flow. Having a higher jump than 01:01:788 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - where the music is more intensed also lacked in placement logic.
  1. 01:00:759 (2,3) -
  2. 01:01:102 (4,5) -
  3. 01:01:445 (6,7) -
Bonsai
Whoohoo I got a mod too \:D/

Sonnyc wrote:

Bonsai's Insane:

Inaudible Hitsound
  1. 00:16:703 (1,2,3,4) - The setted volume is too low to hear. Please set to at least 15%. I'd be fine with that, whatever phaZ does for consistency ^^


Rhythm
  1. 01:00:759 - Your rhythm concept here was pretty much consistent since 00:55:102 - by following the major instruments. However since a new drum beat starts appearing since 01:00:588 - ignoring the major beat of 01:00:759 - wasn't appropriate enough. true, thanks :D
osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: Feint - Face Down (Cut Ver.).mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 65645
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.6
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 33159,44130,77049
DistanceSpacing: 0.5
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 2.599999

[Metadata]
Title:Face Down (Cut Ver.)
TitleUnicode:Face Down (Cut Ver.)
Artist:Feint
ArtistUnicode:Feint
Creator:phaZ
Version:Bonsai's Light Insane
Source:
Tags:Stjpa Bonsai dnb
BeatmapID:801441
BeatmapSetID:240329

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:7
CircleSize:4.2
OverallDifficulty:7.5
ApproachRate:9
SliderMultiplier:1.4
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"bg.png",0,0
//Break Periods
2,44330,53645
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Combo3 : 36,194,255
Combo4 : 30,120,187
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Sonnyc
Oh btw since you've mentioned this song was cutted by yourself,
Do not alter the song's title. This includes adding any marker to describe the cut of the song such as "Short Ver.", "TV Size" and so forth unless those markers are part of the official song title as listed by a reputable source.
This RC includes the case for adding an additional "Cut Ver." marker.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/88299 This case of my map is also unrankable considering that RC.

I definitely support the idea of adding such markers, but rules are rules and several arguements with logical reasons have got denied with the logic of "only use officially provided metadata".
For this case, (Cut Ver.) should be removed and go to the tags.
Topic Starter
phaZ

Sonnyc wrote:

General:

Inconsistent Volume Setting
  1. 00:22:188 - 01:06:078 - To avoid potential issues, please fix the inconsistent volume such as this.fixed


Normal:

Spacing
  • Places where you could improve distance snap. both accidently, thanks
  1. 00:34:359 (2,3) -
  2. 00:41:388 (1,2,3) -


Inappropriate Pattern
  1. 00:53:559 (4,1) - This is forming a 1/2 jump which doesn't suit the overall difficulty.temporarly removed, i just cant find any pleasant pattern :<


Pattern Readability
  1. 01:40:364 (3,1) - Low readability due to slider path of (1) being covered by (3). well this is definitvely readable



Insane:

Inaudible Hitsound
  1. 00:16:703 (1,1,1,1) - The setted volume is too low to hear. Please set to at least 15%. If you do not plan a fix, then please note that 00:17:388 - has an inconsistent volume setting. fixed


Inappropriate Jumps
  • The following jumps were exaggerated and forms an unnatural flow. Having a higher jump than 01:01:788 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - where the music is more intensed also lacked in placement logic.
  1. 01:00:759 (2,3) -
  2. 01:01:102 (4,5) -
  3. 01:01:445 (6,7) - lowered the overall ds and increased ds for 01:01:788 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - but also added another jump
thanks for the mod!

Sonnyc wrote:

Oh btw since you've mentioned this song was cutted by yourself,
Do not alter the song's title. This includes adding any marker to describe the cut of the song such as "Short Ver.", "TV Size" and so forth unless those markers are part of the official song title as listed by a reputable source.
This RC includes the case for adding an additional "Cut Ver." marker.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/88299 This case of my map is also unrankable considering that RC.

I definitely support the idea of adding such markers, but rules are rules and several arguements with logical reasons have got denied with the logic of "only use officially provided metadata".
For this case, (Cut Ver.) should be removed and go to the tags.
thanks for that, i will move "cut" to the tags then... rip
Stjpa

Sonnyc wrote:

Stjpa's Easy:

Combo Usage
  1. 00:38:645 (1,1,1,1) - Using every slider with a new combo lacked in forming a structure.
Fixed, I guess.

Rhythm
  1. 01:48:592 (1,1,2) - The rhythm transition between (1,1) was tricky for beginners to catch up. Removing 01:50:821 (1) is recommended.
Fixed.
osu file format v14

[General]
AudioFilename: Feint - Face Down (Cut Ver.).mp3
AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 65645
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.8
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 0

[Editor]
Bookmarks: 30416,31273
DistanceSpacing: 1
BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1

[Metadata]
Title:Face Down
TitleUnicode:Face Down
Artist:Feint
ArtistUnicode:Feint
Creator:phaZ
Version:Stjpa's Easy
Source:
Tags:Stjpa Bonsai dnb cut
BeatmapID:801442
BeatmapSetID:240329

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:2
CircleSize:2.5
OverallDifficulty:2
ApproachRate:3
SliderMultiplier:0.85
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
0,0,"bg.png",0,0
//Break Periods
2,44330,53662
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Luvovi
:)AMAZING :)
I love it!
Keep up the good work. I hope to be able to map as well as you one day!
~Luvovi
Topic Starter
phaZ

Luvovi wrote:

:) AMAZING :)
I love it!
Keep up the good work. I hope to be able to map as well as you one day!
~Luvovi
o3o
pishifat
the

normalslidertick3 is unused

softclap is also needs to be at least 100ms because of some error with sound cards https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/751 ... itclap.wav

tbh using 175bpm from the beginning makes sense. the same melody as when you begin the 175bpm thing is playing there, it's just that there's no drum beat and it's ~atmospheric~. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/354792 is like the same. i assume you know how to get sub .5x sv

easy
so you're following the basic white tick drum beat starting from the beginning, then you switch to that other instrument starting at 00:30:588 (1) - . there's no real musical cue to switch so i'm not really getting it. if anything it would make sense to follow that non-white-tick instrument starting from the beginning, since that's what you follow at the end too
01:53:049 (1,2) - that instrument thing is prioritizing white ticks here so this red tick stuff isn't all that fitting. 00:36:245 (1,2,3) - does it right
00:32:645 (3,2) - 01:12:935 (3,2) - super minor but getting rid of the overlapz = cleaner. works well since the rest of the diff is p clean

while it's rankable, constant 1/1 spam is pretty frowned upon on easies since it's like there's no break points. including 2/1 sliders or 2/1 gaps is the way to avoid that. in the end it works though, so it's up to you

normal
the idea is cool but might be overdoing the tiny 1/2 spacing during the intro and outro bits. using different spacing for 1/2 is fine, but like when it's half the size of the next sections 1/2 spacing, it could be too tiny. using 1x would work

insane
00:30:931 (3) - could you not put a circle on top of a reverse? that's kinda not allowed cuz of how hitbursts/hitlighting cover it zz
tehre are a billion different placement options so im sure you can think of something

if you change those and need someone to rank, you know what to do
Topic Starter
phaZ

pishifat wrote:

the

normalslidertick3 is unused forgot to delete

softclap is also needs to be at least 100ms because of some error with sound cards https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/751 ... itclap.wav thx, added

tbh using 175bpm from the beginning makes sense. the same melody as when you begin the 175bpm thing is playing there, it's just that there's no drum beat and it's ~atmospheric~. https://osu.ppy.sh/s/354792 is like the same. i assume you know how to get sub .5x sv yea, done

normal
the idea is cool but might be overdoing the tiny 1/2 spacing during the intro and outro bits. using different spacing for 1/2 is fine, but like when it's half the size of the next sections 1/2 spacing, it could be too tiny. using 1x would work done

insane
00:30:931 (3) - could you not put a circle on top of a reverse? that's kinda not allowed cuz of how hitbursts/hitlighting cover it zz
tehre are a billion different placement options so im sure you can think of something well, fixed~

if you change those and need someone to rank, you know what to do
updated timing on all diffs. also renamed:
Light Insane -> Insane
Insane -> Extra
Stjpa

pishifat wrote:

easy
so you're following the basic white tick drum beat starting from the beginning, then you switch to that other instrument starting at 00:30:588 (1) - . there's no real musical cue to switch so i'm not really getting it. if anything it would make sense to follow that non-white-tick instrument starting from the beginning, since that's what you follow at the end too Fixed
01:53:049 (1,2) - that instrument thing is prioritizing white ticks here so this red tick stuff isn't all that fitting. 00:36:245 (1,2,3) - does it right I don't even remember if I fixed it now or not. Sleepless nights and stuff..but yeah, it should be fixed actually.
00:32:645 (3,2) - 01:12:935 (3,2) - super minor but getting rid of the overlapz = cleaner. works well since the rest of the diff is p clean Fixed

while it's rankable, constant 1/1 spam is pretty frowned upon on easies since it's like there's no break points. including 2/1 sliders or 2/1 gaps is the way to avoid that. in the end it works though, so it's up to you Gonna leave it like this
Myxo
Just a quick check on Extra before this gets bubbled. Didn't get to the other diffs yet~

[Extra]

01:00:588 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This pattern is very exaggerated. The music is much less intense than in the following sections, so there shouldn't be the hardest pattern in the whole map at this point. Sure, a circlejump pattern belongs here, but the distances shouldn't be that big for the reason I just mentioned.
Also, since the instrument you are following is the same all the time, the distances should be relatively equal all the time, too. Therefore 01:00:588 (1,2,3,4) - these antijumps don't really make sense.
01:03:330 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This definitely needs to be toned down, 1/4-kicksliders still play much harder than 1/2-circles so this part of the pattern feels even more exaggerated than the rest.

01:25:278 (1,2,3,4) - There is no way to guess that these just have 1/4-gaps in between them. They look like single-repeats at the moment, because the spacing is visually similar to 1/2-spacing used before. I'd recommend you to use a lower spacing so that is more clear.
(These are done much better 01:47:221 (1,2,3,4) - )
Topic Starter
phaZ

Desperate-kun wrote:

Just a quick check on Extra before this gets bubbled. Didn't get to the other diffs yet~

[Extra]

01:00:588 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This pattern is very exaggerated. The music is much less intense than in the following sections, so there shouldn't be the hardest pattern in the whole map at this point. Sure, a circlejump pattern belongs here, but the distances shouldn't be that big for the reason I just mentioned. would lower it if i lower the kickslider-jumps
Also, since the instrument you are following is the same all the time, the distances should be relatively equal all the time, too. Therefore 01:00:588 (1,2,3,4) - these antijumps don't really make sense. the patttern is indeed flawed. jump-antijumps are used the same way as the NC's are used for 01:01:788 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - but i want to keep it like that. the difference between those two parts is, that one is still more a real melody, while the other is more imitating a rhythm.
01:03:330 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This definitely needs to be toned down, 1/4-kicksliders still play much harder than 1/2-circles so this part of the pattern feels even more exaggerated than the rest. nah, i would rather make the kiai harder, which is a bit troublesome because of the way i lead from one pattern into the next one~. also i personally dont think that slider jumps are really that much harder than circle jumps as long the flow stays the same for all kickslider-jumps which is the case here. i tried to nerf the spacing by reducing the turn angle which worsened the flow making it actually harder

01:25:278 (1,2,3,4) - There is no way to guess that these just have 1/4-gaps in between them. They look like single-repeats at the moment, because the spacing is visually similar to 1/2-spacing used before. I'd recommend you to use a lower spacing so that is more clear.
(These are done much better 01:47:221 (1,2,3,4) - ) i get the "issue". but even if i singletap them similiar to an 1/2-lengthened-slider i almost never get 100's. then while playing the first one, you already know that these are 1/4-jumps. also think that reading issues getting less problematic the shorter a map is. it should get even more difficult to create more different scores
removing the old timing point led to random 1ms-snapping issues in all diffs. i took the the right to fix them on my own
Myxo
[Stjpa's Easy]

00:24:417 (4) - I don't recommend you to use 1/2-repeats in this difficulty, at all. The SV and spacing are very low so the start and ending overlap a lot, from my experience kicksliders like this confuse newbies a lot. It would be better replacing them with 1/1-sliders, or even better, try this rhythm: http://puu.sh/l9x8T/a9e930f4fe.jpg The same applies for the others in this section, as well as the ones at the end of the map.

01:06:078 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - In this section (and basically the rest of the kiai) it's all just 1/1-rhythms. It will be very uninteresting to play for the newbies, offering no variation in rhythm. I would highly recommend you to add some variation by using clever 2/1-rhythms. For example some good places for 2/1-sliders would be:
01:09:163 to 01:09:849 - (since 01:09:506 - is of no importance)
01:20:135 to 01:20:820 - (same reason)
and so on..



Yeah, basically I think the Easy needs some work to become high-quality. I also think the patterns in Extra that I mentioned are serious issues, oh well, your decision after all.
Stjpa

Desperate-kun wrote:

[Stjpa's Easy]

00:24:417 (4) - I don't recommend you to use 1/2-repeats in this difficulty, at all. The SV and spacing are very low so the start and ending overlap a lot, from my experience kicksliders like this confuse newbies a lot. It would be better replacing them with 1/1-sliders, or even better, try this rhythm: http://puu.sh/l9x8T/a9e930f4fe.jpg The same applies for the others in this section, as well as the ones at the end of the map. Tbh I don't think these 1/2-repeat sliders are / were a problem at all. There are enough Easy's with these sliders, that's why I also decided to use some here. However, your suggestion is actually really nice and I used it here.

01:06:078 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2) - In this section (and basically the rest of the kiai) it's all just 1/1-rhythms. It will be very uninteresting to play for the newbies, offering no variation in rhythm. I would highly recommend you to add some variation by using clever 2/1-rhythms. For example some good places for 2/1-sliders would be:
01:09:163 to 01:09:849 - (since 01:09:506 - is of no importance)
01:20:135 to 01:20:820 - (same reason)
and so on.. Applied. This map isn't long at all, so I didn't see a problem here. But it's not really much work to do so I also changed it now. Thanks for checking. ♥


Yeah, basically I think the Easy needs some work to become high-quality. I don't really map anything at the moment, so getting some experience except from modding etc. is hard lol I also think the patterns in Extra that I mentioned are serious issues, oh well, your decision after all Imo these jumps are not too huge at all, and these anti-jumps also fit very well. I just don't like the way he placed the kicksliders, but I'm really strange anyway when it comes to pattern or however I should call it.
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212,304,33502,6,0,P|276:308|332:280,1,127.5,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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276,120,65730,5,8,1:0:0:0:
212,64,66078,6,0,P|168:44|120:44,2,85,4|8|0,0:2|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
276,120,67107,1,8,0:0:0:0:
332,184,67449,2,0,P|396:184|420:168,1,85,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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276,120,68820,5,0,0:0:0:0:
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284,236,78078,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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208,132,89049,1,8,0:0:0:0:
156,64,89392,2,0,P|224:48|256:64,1,85,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
288,120,90078,2,0,P|328:140|368:136,1,85,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
444,100,90763,5,0,0:0:0:0:
476,180,91106,2,0,P|452:256|368:300,1,170
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232,92,94878,2,0,P|280:68|316:72,1,85,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
380,120,95564,2,0,P|352:148|292:152,1,85,0|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
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Myxo

Stjpa wrote:

Tbh I don't think these 1/2-repeat sliders are / were a problem at all. There are enough Easy's with these sliders, that's why I also decided to use some here. However, your suggestion is actually really nice and I used it here.
As I said, 1/2-sliders CAN be fine in Easy, it depends on how they are used and on the general setting of the difficulty. They definitely don't work well together with low Slider Velocity and Spacing, because they look cramped. From what I have experienced, the newbies will be confused after playing sliders like that, so if they really need to be used in a low SV Easy like this, they should be used with enough of recovery time after, which means ATLEAST 2/1 of a gap.

Also, the rest of the diffs looked fine for me, I just wanted to point some things out (so yeah, I'm done modding at this point).
Tshemmp

Desperate-kun wrote:

01:25:278 (1,2,3,4) - There is no way to guess that these just have 1/4-gaps in between them. They look like single-repeats at the moment, because the spacing is visually similar to 1/2-spacing used before. I'd recommend you to use a lower spacing so that is more clear.
(These are done much better 01:47:221 (1,2,3,4) - )
Desperate please. "No way to guess". No way I would guess these are single repeat sliders.


Myxo
Well, I misread it and I'm sure other players will too. Of course it depends on what you expect when playing a map.

It only makes sense to me to expect 1/2-gaps, because the 1/4-spacing is visually the same as the 1/2-spacing that was used before. And as I said, the second pattern is using high spacing too, but it's much more intuitive due to its structure.

But the pattern is alright, no need to worry. The main issue is still the giant jump pattern before the kiai.
Topic Starter
phaZ

Desperate-kun wrote:

Well, I misread it and I'm sure other players will too. Of course it depends on what you expect when playing a map.

It only makes sense to me to expect 1/2-gaps, because the 1/4-spacing is visually the same as the 1/2-spacing that was used before. And as I said, the second pattern is using high spacing too, but it's much more intuitive due to its structure.

But the pattern is alright, no need to worry. The main issue is still the giant jump pattern before the kiai.
i asked multiple people for testplays about these jumps now and after i increased the ds of the section before and afterwards i think there shouldnt be any issues with them anymore.
for the 1/4-spaced repeats i can say that they are fine as they are since the people ive asked werent even considering that these could be anything else but 4/4-repeats. apparently it is even visibly indicated by the followpoints (otherwise both tracks of the followpoints would be perfectly stacked)
Okoratu
Actually fuck this. Sjpa is going to annoy about everyone about this so here i go

[general]
  1. hard and extra seem to contain a few 1ms unsnaps or something
  2. easy should delete 01:06:078 - this green line cuz RC or something
  3. and it saves a whopping 2.4 bytes filesize xd


[hitsounds]
  1. normal-slidertick3 is still there and i just redld.
    (basing shit off extra cuz yea most objects most hitsounds logic stuff thnigns)
  2. 00:18:074 (1) - has no sliderwhistles while the 2 ones surrounding it have, intentional?
  3. 00:21:503 - for some reason the sliderwhistle turns into a sliderslide here and idk why but it happens o.o


[Extra]
  1. 00:49:274 (7) - 01:00:245 (5) - this is dumb to have, you have the 1/2 sounds right there, they aren't even much different than 00:46:531 (7) - or any other thing there, idk having them doesn't make much sense imo as idk what holding a note over a clear 1/2 sound gives you
  2. 00:54:245 (1,2,3) - i think that custom stack is uneven lol
  3. 00:56:302 (6,1) - 00:59:045 (6,1) - i wouldn't go for linear transitions in these cases, they're quite unexpected and probably continuing the back/forth motion of that pattern, but with a bit more spacing or something would be more straight-forward instead of breaking the complete pattern intentionally, but that might just be my bias towards not breaking patterns completely
  4. 01:00:588 (1,2,3,4) - 01:01:102 (4,5,6,7) - the difference between those 2 is way too drastic because they're trying to represent the same kind of drum buildup i suppose but the first 2 pairs are antijumps and the 2nd are regular zig-zag jumps, i'd either go for zig zag all the way or antijumps all the way as mixing both makes less sense imo lol
  5. 01:03:331 (1) - if this would... continue the triangle motion you had for 01:01:788 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - it would be like a lot easier to catch because that's where you'd expect it to actually be ?_?
  6. 01:04:360 (7,8) - these last 2 ones feel like you ran a bit out of space where stuff looks like a clean pattern and just did "something" dunno maybe maybe you get what i mean or not
    it played fine first attempt but any following attempts lead to me panick-sliderbreaking them suggesting that im just a bit tired
  7. 01:26:906 (4,1) - 01:27:421 (6,1) - 01:48:849 (4,1) - 01:49:364 (6,1) - seem to be intentional and stuff nonetheless they don't really look that nice when playing the stream, are you like sure you don't want to do anything about these lol
  8. 01:52:192 (1,2) - combostuff like is stuff i don't 100% understand but since there's a very clear system behind combos im sure this one has a reason too

all of this is ultra-subjective so do whatever makes more sense to you :p

[bonsai]
  1. lol the break looks 300% lazy hahaha
  2. 00:41:559 (2) - nc to keep your one object combos in line
  3. 01:01:788 (1,2) - worst buildup ever lol, the drums are like 200% more dominant anyways so mapping the melody feels kinda out of place here :/
  4. 01:43:707 (3,4) - nerv pls? all other 1/4 jumps you have are smaller :/

ok i guess

[hard]
the consistent 1/1 breaks in kiai don't add anything to the map for me, they more take away some of the fun because i and probably many other people are xpecting kiai to be actually more intense so starting it off with 1/1 slider and followd by 1/1 break is 1/10 anticlimax ):
tbh it doesn't really need these, so if you agree it'd be nice to have some circles or whatever added

[normal]
01:13:278 (3,4) - 01:29:393 (3,4) - 01:34:878 (3,4) - 01:40:364 (3,4) - the way some of these have different lengths and stuff can probably throw people off in the reading department leading to weird derps, i'd go for sliders that leave 1/1 breaks instead of 1/2 to the next objects to make these things easier to understand but eh i guess that's optional and not always optimal, just an idea though since i don't really have any fundamentally better ideas right now

[stjpa]
hype anymore and you're gonna explode
  1. idk beginning and end follow melody and rest follows drums
    drums = easier to predict than melody in beginning/end
    -> Kiai is easier to comprehend than beginning and end
    is that your intention? otherwise searching for ways to either follow instruments instead of melody in that part is like the only option that doesn't take a ton of mods, so consider this carefully
  2. do you care about blankets in any way, because things like 01:33:507 (1) - 01:23:907 (3) - are either off by a bit or look dumb because blankets this close look dumb imo xd
    01:43:107 (4,5) - is this supposed to be symmetrical or something because it kinda isnt
  3. don't explode
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