chainpullz wrote:

The longest period of time you have to micro in league is like the duration of a 15 second team fight and you need to time at most 5 clicks per second with the average being probably about 2.5 a second

chainpullz wrote:

There is micro in league but you don't get giant fucking circles to aim for

thedamntrain wrote:

Do you even know what microing is? You can't micro with one unit.

Or if that's some retarded moba language then I don't care.

buny wrote:

thedamntrain wrote:

Do you even know what microing is? You can't micro with one unit.

Or if that's some retarded moba language then I don't care.

you are thinking of macro management

micro is one unit

chainpullz wrote:

The difficulty in micro in league is not derived simply from aiming a cursor at a hitbox, it's about making the correct decisions on which hit boxes to aim for and which direction to immediately make you move click in.

chainpullz wrote:

The cursor specifics between the games are not even comparable

chainpullz wrote:

playing one will not improve your ability to play the other.

Riince wrote:

the game is like 20% last hitting, 40% decision making, 39% map awareness and 1% the mouse/keyboard skills that you passively develop well enough while developing the other 3 aspects to get you to any level of play

chainpullz wrote:

I think if you have issues with aiming in general in league it is much more likely due to some combination of a shitty mouse or shitty mouse settings than it is a complete lack of motor skills. Neither of which you can really fix from playing osu.

Riince wrote:

the game is like 20% last hitting, 40% decision making, 39% map awareness and 1% the mouse/keyboard skills that you passively develop well enough while developing the other 3 aspects to get you to any level of play

winber1 wrote:

pls let's be friends guys

buny wrote:

i have inspirational quote


as long as we have circles to click, no anger shall harm us
-link2014

-buny2015

Riince wrote:

i wonder what makes people cringe more, pony avatars or league of legends avatars

Riince wrote:

the game is like 20% last hitting, 40% decision making, 39% map awareness and 1% the mouse/keyboard skills that you passively develop well enough while developing the other 3 aspects to get you to any level of play

'mechanics' mostly fall under decision making

DJPuzzle wrote:

Riince wrote:

the game is like 20% last hitting, 40% decision making, 39% map awareness and 1% the mouse/keyboard skills that you passively develop well enough while developing the other 3 aspects to get you to any level of play

'mechanics' mostly fall under decision making

There is a massive difference between mechanics and decision making...
Mechanics is essentially how efficiently you do things i.e. stutter stepping as an adc, correct timing on zeds abilities, using Yasuo's mobility to the fullest, and on a very basic level having good mouse control and accuracy. I would go so far as to say that last hitting even falls under mechanics because it's how efficiently you get gold

League is more like 70% mechanics and 30% decision making, with the former being less important the higher and higher you go up in skill
For instance, you could easily climb to diamond league off of almost entirely pure mechanics
However there becomes less of a mechanical descrepency as you go up in skill and more of a decision making, up to the point where the most competitive games of league are almost purely decision making - there's a reason SSW crushed worlds so hard this year.

DJPuzzle wrote:

Riince wrote:

the game is like 20% last hitting, 40% decision making, 39% map awareness and 1% the mouse/keyboard skills that you passively develop well enough while developing the other 3 aspects to get you to any level of play

'mechanics' mostly fall under decision making

There is a massive difference between mechanics and decision making...
Mechanics is essentially how efficiently you do things i.e. stutter stepping as an adc, correct timing on zeds abilities, using Yasuo's mobility to the fullest, and on a very basic level having good mouse control and accuracy. I would go so far as to say that last hitting even falls under mechanics because it's how efficiently you get gold

League is more like 70% mechanics and 30% decision making, with the former being less important the higher and higher you go up in skill
For instance, you could easily climb to diamond league off of almost entirely pure mechanics
However there becomes less of a mechanical descrepency as you go up in skill and more of a decision making, up to the point where the most competitive games of league are almost purely decision making - there's a reason SSW crushed worlds so hard this year.

Riince wrote:

my skill in last hitting and stutter stepping etc never changed when i went from 1200 elo to 1700 in season 2, and 1867 in preseason 3, it was purely because of my map awareness and decision making getting better, so I'm mostly just speaking from experience here.

deciding which direction to stutter step , in what place to drop that rumble ultimate, or how long to hold onto that zhonyas active are all parts of mechanics and are 90% decision making 10% actually doing it.

take that crazy zed vs zed 1v1 that happened in that blind pick ogn game, those were sick mechanics, but everything they did was impressive because of how fast they made the decisions to do things, not because they were able to move their mouse in such a way.

edit: fixed the wall of text

DJPuzzle wrote:

We may have played together preseason 3, what was your name?
Faker vs Ryu was something like 50% mechanics 50% decision making IMO. Even Faker himself said in one of his AMA's that he was only focusing on using QSS and nothing else during the fight. Also, if mechanics = how efficiently something is done, then using abilities at the correct time would be mechanics, not decision making, no? Decision making falls more under a macro style where mechanics is micro

For instance making the decision to go take drag because their midlaner just backed and you know their jungler is top side vs using a qss on the last tick of ignite. That's not really a decision, is it? That's more of a reaction

DJPuzzle wrote:

Faker vs Ryu was something like 50% mechanics 50% decision making IMO. Even Faker himself said in one of his AMA's that he was only focusing on using QSS and nothing else during the fight.

DJPuzzle wrote:

For instance making the decision to go take drag because their midlaner just backed and you know their jungler is top side vs using a qss on the last tick of ignite. That's not really a decision, is it? That's more of a reaction

Riince wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

Riince wrote:

You probably didnt see me then, i was floating mostly around 1700-1800 for the preseason, the push to 1867 was last day and kinda lucky because i didnt want to be placed in gold.

Riince wrote:

the game is like 20% last hitting, 40% decision making, 39% map awareness and 1% the mouse/keyboard skills that you passively develop well enough while developing the other 3 aspects to get you to any level of play

'mechanics' mostly fall under decision making

Tess wrote:

Riince wrote:

the game is like 20% last hitting, 40% decision making, 39% map awareness and 1% the mouse/keyboard skills that you passively develop well enough while developing the other 3 aspects to get you to any level of play

'mechanics' mostly fall under decision making

And yet 99% of pp is calculated based on that 1% of T/M/K skills required

Tess wrote:

I just spammed square jump practice maps and then I could suddenly do squares. If you can't read them as patterns you need to learn to read.

Tornado jumps are dumb

Also, tried Zenith's reaction time thing out and it's pretty neat http://puu.sh/d4E8d.png
Are there any other similar websites where you can test shit?

Vesrand wrote:

Tess wrote:

I just spammed square jump practice maps and then I could suddenly do squares. If you can't read them as patterns you need to learn to read.

Tornado jumps are dumb

Also, tried Zenith's reaction time thing out and it's pretty neat http://puu.sh/d4E8d.png
Are there any other similar websites where you can test shit?

heh this is actually good idea! I found one http://osu.ppy.sh/b/292576
It appears that i have hard time doing it at 180 bpm and totally cant do 200 bpm version. I just cant read it at ar9 no matter how much and how hard i try (at ar10 its a bit easier but my goal is to do it at ar9). Now its clear for me why i cant pass square moments in other 200 bpm maps (like this http://osu.ppy.sh/b/188835&m=0 ) Seems that problem with my reading.
Can you suggest some more jump practice maps?

[MY] yummy90 XP wrote:

squares is probably the hardest when you are comfortable with higher AR, if you can hit those consistently then other kind of jumps are just easy

buny wrote:

thedamntrain wrote:

Do you even know what microing is? You can't micro with one unit.

Or if that's some retarded moba language then I don't care.

you are thinking of macro management

micro is one unit

thedamntrain wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromanagement_%28gameplay%29
Educate yourself, stupid retard.

Micromanagement versus Macromanagement
There is sometimes confusion regarding the difference between micromanagement and macromanagement, normally abbreviated as 'micro' and 'macro' respectively. Macro generally refers to managing large quantities of tasks at the same time. For example, building units from various structures throughout the game while also building more structures, scouting, creating new bases, etc. This is different from micro, which is generally controlling small amounts of units and giving them very specific orders.

thedamntrain wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromanag ... ameplay%29
Educate yourself, stupid retard.

buny wrote:

thedamntrain wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromanagement_%28gameplay%29
Educate yourself, stupid retard.

Micromanagement versus Macromanagement
There is sometimes confusion regarding the difference between micromanagement and macromanagement, normally abbreviated as 'micro' and 'macro' respectively. Macro generally refers to managing large quantities of tasks at the same time. For example, building units from various structures throughout the game while also building more structures, scouting, creating new bases, etc. This is different from micro, which is generally controlling small amounts of units and giving them very specific orders.

r u evn trying? lol

buny wrote:

you linked wiki as a citation and then you just contradicted it, which clearly states "This is different from micro, which is generally controlling small amounts of units and giving them very specific orders."
how does this not include giving specific orders to one unit? 1 unit is considered "small amounts of units" and they are given specific orders too.

you are too dense to consider yourself being wrong, mostly because you are not american thus you have a small dick

and i should know because i'm american

buny wrote:

you linked wiki as a citation and then you just contradicted it, which clearly states "This is different from micro, which is generally controlling small amounts of units and giving them very specific orders."
how does this not include giving specific orders to one unit? 1 unit is considered "small amounts of units" and they are given specific orders too.

you are too dense to consider yourself being wrong, mostly because you are not american thus you have a small dick

and i should know because i'm american

thedamntrain wrote:

Do you even know what microing is? You can't micro with one unit.

Or if that's some retarded moba language then I don't care.

thedamntrain wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromanagement_%28gameplay%29
Educate yourself, stupid retard.

thedamntrain wrote:

Well this is no fun, you're literally too stupid to insult.