14:52 Z3nx: can we just discuss how we can improve it
14:53 Z3nx: i honestly think that the stairs could be replaced with just a single LN or something instead of mapping the whole thing
14:55 Yoshiap: (2nd part is admittedly sometimes hard, but still)
14:55 Z3nx: can we discuss on how we can improve the stairs
14:55 ExUsagi: finally
14:55 ExUsagi: use LN?
14:55 Z3nx: or are we just going to let this slip into rank and not give a shit about ranked maps
14:55 jamesalegre15: hmmm
14:55 Z3nx: that's what i was thinking, so any other suggestions?
14:55 richardfeder: Usagi thank you :3
14:55 Yoshiap: this is hitsounded though
14:56 Yoshiap: so i'm not sure how LN's would work with it
14:56 jamesalegre15: on what diff
14:56 Yoshiap: basically most diffs
14:56 Z3nx: the hitsounds can be merged into 1 in the piano stream
14:56 richardfeder: well I don't like that brust
14:56 richardfeder: but I wont call it ****
14:56 Z3nx: honestly feels like a big spike to me
14:56 Z3nx: it's way harder to excecute perfectly that the previous patterns
14:57 Brainpeeler: you guys talking about this stream in snow halation? w
14:57 sdglalon: ok i just downloaded the song
14:57 sdglalon: lets see
14:57 sdglalon: XD
14:57 Z3nx: yes
14:57 Yoshiap: yup dat stream
14:57 Z3nx: 3 streams in question currently
14:57 *sdglalon is playing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/545015 u's - Snow halation (TV Size) [4K SC]] <osu!mania> +Hidden |4K|
14:58 Z3nx: i'm thinking about something like this to make it better https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2360540
14:58 Z3nx: depends on the keycount the LNs may vary in length and count
14:59 jamesalegre15: 8k SC?
14:59 Z3nx: yes
14:59 Brainpeeler: 3 streams in 8k 4 streams in 7k
14:59 Z3nx: i'll just savelog this and post in on the thread later
14:59 Z3nx: removing some unneeded comments and attacks so that no shitstorms happen
15:00 Z3nx: what do you think brain? do you think that the stream should be nerfed?
15:02 ExUsagi: ==a let's see
15:02 Brainpeeler: it does feel a bit fast compared to what it sounds like
15:02 [-Seiryuu-]: oh
15:02 Yoshiap: its 16 notes i think
15:02 RemiFlan: i wanna try the 4k SC again
15:02 Yoshiap: but i don't want to double check
15:02 RemiFlan: but I wanna keep the DT mod on there lol
15:03 Brainpeeler: but its keysounded so every sound is "justified" hue
15:03 Brainpeeler: note*
15:03 jamesalegre15: dang 1/16 stream
15:03 richardfeder: well
15:03 RemiFlan: oh shit it's keysounded
15:03 Yoshiap: i mean, technically its justified, but there's probably another way to do it -_-
15:03 RemiFlan: let me go make a 1/32 keysounded map
15:04 Z3nx: lol can't throw overmap but ^
15:04 ExUsagi: o.o
15:04 richardfeder: keysounded only mean " there are sounds"
15:04 Yoshiap: i wish hold note endings made a sound suddenly
15:04 richardfeder: doesn't necessarily means those sounds should be charted.
15:05 *sdglalon is playing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/545014 u's - Snow halation (TV Size) [4K NM]] <osu!mania> +Hidden |4K|
15:05 sdglalon: XD
15:05 Z3nx: the stairs just feel overkill compared to the rest
15:05 Yoshiap: like
15:05 Yoshiap: if he wants to keep the idea
15:05 ExUsagi: o_o do you have another snow halation map from another mapper?
15:05 sdglalon: i feel like somehow this is aimed for standard players
15:05 Yoshiap: just halving the number of notes already does a lot
15:06 ExUsagi: maybe you can check the piano stairs ther
15:06 RemiFlan: yeah there's this
15:06 *RemiFlan is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/442124 u's - Snow halation (TV Size)]
15:06 RemiFlan: not keysounded
15:06 RemiFlan: still trying to figure out of what he's mapping to is there
15:06 ExUsagi: you can check the piano sound, whether its fit with current pattern or not
15:06 Z3nx: it is also possible that you can put all the stairs into samples there if he wants to keep the hitsounds/keysounds
15:06 Z3nx: it's not about if it fits, it's about how bad it plays
15:07 Z3nx: even though this is pretty much the easiest pattern i can think off
15:07 Z3nx: of*
15:07 radagusto: `wait that whole stream is hitsounded?
15:07 Z3nx: yes
15:07 RemiFlan: yep
15:07 ExUsagi: technically right, but physically not right? o_o?
15:07 *richardfeder is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/446520 u's - Snow halation [Another]]
15:07 RemiFlan: i removed the entire section in editor and it's blanked
15:08 Z3nx: yes physically "not right"
15:08 radagusto: wait not each note is hitsounded in the stream or yes?
15:08 Z3nx: each note is hitsounded
15:08 ExPew: all note is keysounded
15:08 radagusto: damn the sound that must make if you mess it up O_O
15:09 Z3nx: lol
15:09 *ExUsagi is playing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/417467 Nakamura Meiko - Scarlet Faith [PC's Another]] <osu!mania> |7K|
15:09 Brainpeeler: only part that feels awkward there is having to do that hold in 2 right after the streams
15:09 _S u w a k o_: keysound needs quality
15:09 _S u w a k o_: please
15:09 Yoshiap: its still a pretty huge difficulty spike though
15:10 radagusto: yeah i think i could probably do decently up to that point
15:10 ExUsagi: o_o is that weird, yesterday, my mania speed was 22, and right now, i need to put it on 25?
15:10 RemiFlan: [http://puu.sh/dAMaL/1ee5cfd20a.png can you find the stream sections]
15:10 Z3nx: lol
15:10 RemiFlan: also the first section is like
15:11 RemiFlan: the first section on 4k SC is 1/8
15:11 RemiFlan: the main complaint section is 1/6
15:11 RemiFlan: and the third section is 1/8
15:11 Z3nx: 8k sc is like 1/16
15:11 radagusto: im pretty sure those streams are giving the map all of its pp and star rating
15:12 Yoshiap: such is the life of pp
15:12 RemiFlan: ah there's extra notes on the 8k sc I think
15:12 ExUsagi: use open as reference
15:13 Z3nx: it's not on the wrong snap lol cause there isn't any
15:13 Z3nx: the pattern is not wrong
15:13 Z3nx: it's just horrible to play
15:13 Brainpeeler: dat huge difficulty spike in the 4k sc
15:13 jamesalegre15: 1/16 in 7K SC
15:14 Z3nx: do you guys think it should be nerfed in terms of notes or should just totally replaced with LNs?
15:14 Z3nx: i have no better pattern for this if he wants to keep the snap lol
15:14 RemiFlan: nerf imo
15:14 richardfeder: both are OK actually
15:14 Z3nx: 1/2 the notes ?
15:14 RemiFlan: http://puu.sh/dAMlH/b60d523574.png i feel like those two shouldn't be there
15:14 richardfeder: I would jsut use 1/6 notes
15:15 Z3nx: depends on the diff actually richard
15:15 ExUsagi: OMG pc thanks for this map
15:15 *ExUsagi is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/417467 Nakamura Meiko - Scarlet Faith]
15:15 RemiFlan: http://puu.sh/dAMny/071c91f499.png neat
15:15 ExUsagi: i reach top #700 \o/
15:15 Z3nx: 8k 1/6 would feel much easier than 4k 1/6
15:15 richardfeder: for easier diff LN for sure
15:15 Z3nx: ah okays 
15:15 Z3nx: i have no idea what's with the 1/6 hats lol
15:15 Remyria: RemiFlan: I say goodluck to joypad user LOL
15:16 RemiFlan: lol
15:16 Z3nx: what do guys think about the 1/6 hats though?
15:16 Z3nx: pretty much the same in all diff.s actually
15:16 Remyria: what's the meaning of hat in this sentence?
15:16 Z3nx: 01:23:236 - in snow halation SCs
15:17 Z3nx: well idk about the name being correct lol
15:17 Z3nx: sorry forgot to mention the timing point heh
15:17 richardfeder: what the
15:17 richardfeder: they are hithats? orz
15:18 jamesalegre15: @.@
15:18 Z3nx: i don't think they should even be mapped lol
15:19 Z3nx: well, imo should be replaced with a LN entirely
15:19 Remyria: Z3nx: stairs?
15:19 Z3nx:  yeap
15:19 RemiFlan: one little nitpicky thing I think about the 4k sc
15:19 Remyria: :3
15:19 RemiFlan: [http://puu.sh/dAMyP/d92f918871.png would be to move this]
15:19 RemiFlan: that's what makes it so awkward to play
15:19 RemiFlan: for 4k sc
15:20 Z3nx: what do you guys think about this though? 01:23:236 - should it be scrapped entirely or restructed with LNs/notes?
15:20 jamesalegre15: dang no one FC yet in 8K SC
15:21 RemiFlan: im okay with that once i played it off of DT
15:21 Midare: so many qualified beatmap today
15:22 RemiFlan: yeah I'm SSing that section Z3nx lol
15:22 Z3nx: o sweet
15:22 Z3nx: so i don't think there' will be much of a problem in higher keys?
15:22 Z3nx: unless someone wants to point out something else concerning them in this map, i think this is it?