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aeeiku
55 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
aeeiku
Hey,

I'm playing mostly Extra difficulty maps nowadays and I'm a 2.1k pp player (not that that matters). Anyway, so I can stream 180 bpm pretty consistently, I'd say that's my comfort zone. 190 bpm is do-able in short streams but in long streams when there's like more than like 7 notes there might start being 100s here and there. Now there are some songs I really want to finish but have 200 bpm songs in them and I just do terribly if there are any more than 5 notes in a 200 bpm stream.

My question is, what type of hand placements are people using to counter this? I fully understand the "practice" response, and I will continue to do that. I have a mechanical keyboard with red switches, if that helps for anyone.

My current hand placements:
Casual for all songs (for both streaming and single tapping, tucking the thumb bone in, helps for some reason dunno why):
http://grabilla.com/04b0f-01299b87-852c ... eca7b7.png

Tryhard single tapping (for like them 240+ bpm songs (e.g. kokou no sousei)):
http://grabilla.com/04b0f-85c2b396-02b6 ... e9db94.png

Tryhard streaming (exaggerated claw hand method to try and make the notes easier to press down on):
http://grabilla.com/04b0f-100b1827-038a ... 0eedee.png

You might noticed that I extrude my pinky finger in all of those pictures, this is true. I get that hand placements CAN be a personal preference, but any advice or anyone's opinion would be interested to hear. Any comments?
DahplA
1,099 posts
Joined March 2014
DahplA
I don't singletap with my index finger anymore but I'll say this. It's a no-brainer but make sure you take your thumb off your index when streaming to increase speed.
FieryLight
217 posts
Joined January 2013
FieryLight
Don't flex your fingers backward. Keep them in a relaxed position until you press and then return to that position. I used to flex them backward too and I've improved a lot since I stopped doing that
kymotsujason
38 posts
Joined April 2013
kymotsujason
Relax your hand; it seems like you're quite tense (although I could be wrong). I find that when I relax my hand before a song, I'll do infinitely better than if I don't. Its true that tensing your hand will help you stream faster (and single tap faster) and relaxing your hand will slow you down; however, you will be much more stable if you do relax your hand.
I, personally, use a hand placement (including the way I hold my pen) identical to Cookiezi. It helps me stream up to 270bpm (Mad Machine is quite easy to complete, hard to FC). I do have to tense my fingers to stream at 270bpm (or 220bpm+), but otherwise, I try to relax my hand.
aeeiku
55 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
aeeiku
Do you mean the way I bend my fingers and sort of have my knuckles in the air? Also, I try to relax as much as possible, the only thing I can think of is that I have one of those sliding desks and it keeps sliding in on its own. xD So the back bone of my hand stops it from doing that... Idk, just a thought. But I will take your advice, thanks for replying. :)

I hope one day I can stream mad machine and nano death XD

Also, I don't understand cookiezi' hand setup at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hilDUKUOlbY
Seems to me like he's using my 'tryhard single tap' method with the thumb underneath pressed against his index, on top of his pinky curled up. And somehow he's able to stream with that? Could you possibly explain that one with more detail, if you could please? Thank you :)
kymotsujason
38 posts
Joined April 2013
kymotsujason

jake2 wrote:

Do you mean the way I bend my fingers and sort of have my knuckles in the air? Also, I try to relax as much as possible, the only thing I can think of is that I have one of those sliding desks and it keeps sliding in on its own. xD So the back bone of my hand stops it from doing that... Idk, just a thought. But I will take your advice, thanks for replying. :)

I hope one day I can stream mad machine and nano death XD

Also, I don't understand cookiezi' hand setup at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hilDUKUOlbY
Seems to me like he's using my 'tryhard single tap' method with the thumb underneath pressed against his index, on top of his pinky curled up. And somehow he's able to stream with that? Could you possibly explain that one with more detail, if you could please? Thank you :)
That hand position helps him stabilize his streaming speed; its why he did freedom dive with 99.97% accuracy. What I think it does is lock his hand at a static height; which is what helps with stability.
tokaku
275 posts
Joined May 2013
tokaku

kymotsujason wrote:

jake2 wrote:

Do you mean the way I bend my fingers and sort of have my knuckles in the air? Also, I try to relax as much as possible, the only thing I can think of is that I have one of those sliding desks and it keeps sliding in on its own. xD So the back bone of my hand stops it from doing that... Idk, just a thought. But I will take your advice, thanks for replying. :)

I hope one day I can stream mad machine and nano death XD

Also, I don't understand cookiezi' hand setup at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hilDUKUOlbY
Seems to me like he's using my 'tryhard single tap' method with the thumb underneath pressed against his index, on top of his pinky curled up. And somehow he's able to stream with that? Could you possibly explain that one with more detail, if you could please? Thank you :)
That hand position helps him stabilize his streaming speed; its why he did freedom dive with 99.97% accuracy. What I think it does is lock his hand at a static height; which is what helps with stability.
It's kind of like how I rest my thumb on the side of my keyboard to prevent my hand flying elsewhere. Just relax and streaming takes constant practice everyday. Start with stacks and it'll go on from there.
aeeiku
55 posts
Joined May 2014
Topic Starter
aeeiku
Recently changed my hand setup to this:
http://grabilla.com/04b13-9c1069c3-11bb ... 44ba67.png

I tuck my thumb underneath (not exaggerated tuck or anything), and extrude my pinky a bit. I can single tap pretty normally (240 bpm), and streaming is a lot better. In fact I just got this: http://grabilla.com/04b13-99f68aef-6801 ... 9dd392.png 98% accuracy with the new hand setup, if you know this map then you'll know it's a combination of aim, triples, pentas and streams with 190 bpm. So I'm pretty pleased.

Thanks for the tips guys, I'm now focusing more on playing than my actual hand setup but I'm gonna continue using this one. ^^
-Atri-
3,047 posts
Joined March 2013
-Atri-
I usually just put 2 finger on it, nothing special
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