Enlightening comments today o/grumd wrote:
yesArphimigon wrote:
that is asdf ugh
Enlightening comments today o/grumd wrote:
yesArphimigon wrote:
that is asdf ugh
03:31 grumd: hey Charles
03:31 grumd: i need some advice about diff spread
03:31 grumd: some people are saying my map has big gaps between all diffs
03:31 *grumd is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/539789 TheLaxOne - Skrillex Circulation]
03:32 grumd: so i want to ask more experienced people about this
03:32 Charles445: lol...
03:32 Charles445: ok let' ssee
03:33 Charles445: kk so 1.6 to 3 is pretty reasonable, star rating spikes at any sense of spacing at that point
03:33 Charles445: 3 to 4.5 is uh, pretty good actually hm
03:33 Charles445: 4.5 being like, MEH hard
03:33 Charles445: like you got them streams
03:33 Charles445: probably
03:33 Charles445: 3 wouldn't have any
03:33 grumd: hm, hard to say
03:33 Charles445: 4.5 to 6 is where things get fuckin WEIRD
03:33 Charles445: and the reason is
03:33 grumd: 3 has more streams than 4.5
03:33 Charles445: there is a bizarre rift
03:33 Charles445: between 4.7 and 5.25
03:33 Charles445: loool
03:34 Charles445: the rift being
03:34 Charles445: you can have a technically hard as shit map
03:34 grumd: but in 3 they are 1/4 and in 4.5 they are 1/8
03:34 Charles445: but the only thing that brings it past, say, 4.9
03:34 grumd: ok listening
03:34 Charles445: is either hella fast streams or jumps
03:34 Charles445: and 6.14 is CLEARLY fullscreen jumps
03:34 Charles445: right?
03:34 grumd: yeah you got it
03:34 Charles445: mmhm
03:34 Charles445: so
03:34 Charles445: at that point it's star rating shitting itself
03:34 grumd: 240 bpm fullscreen stuff
03:34 Charles445: at the sheer sight of jumps
03:34 Charles445: but
03:34 Charles445: in contrast to 4.5
03:34 Charles445: it's hella fucking harder
03:34 Charles445: because it's a separate mentality
03:35 Charles445: if I were to recommend a spread fix
03:35 Charles445: the lower diffs are totally fine
03:35 Charles445: but shoot for the higher-end of the rift
03:35 Charles445: this can be anything between 4.9 - 5.7
03:35 grumd: that's the hard part
03:35 Charles445: yes, a 4.5 4.9 6.14 is good imo
03:35 grumd: let me tell you a little detail
03:35 Charles445: lolll
03:35 Charles445: copy paste hardest diff, add 1 to cs
03:35 Charles445: bam
03:35 Charles445: 5.1
03:35 Charles445: LOL
03:35 Charles445: or, subtract 1, is a joke ofc
03:35 Charles445: what's the detail
03:35 grumd: 4.5 and 6.1 are basically of the same rhythm. except that 4.5 has slight rare jumps and 6.1 has fullscreen
03:36 grumd: same triples, same 1/2s
03:36 grumd: but a lot less jumps
03:36 Charles445: sure
03:36 grumd: so another same-rhythm diff would be a fucking what
03:36 Charles445: so like
03:36 Charles445: while the insane is like
03:36 Charles445: 2
03:36 Charles445: and the other is like 5
03:37 Charles445: make this one a 3.5
03:37 Charles445: just
03:37 Charles445: the inbetweener of the spacing
03:37 Charles445: the same rrhythm, sure!
03:37 grumd: that sounds fun
03:37 grumd: hm
03:37 Charles445: you already did it for the previous diff didn't ya
03:37 Charles445: so like, it's already an issue
03:37 grumd: probably i'd better find a guest for this, just to bring a bit of veriety
03:37 Charles445: if you have the same rhythm
03:37 Charles445: for 3 diffs
03:37 Charles445: you have one of the best jump practice maps
03:37 Charles445: because of its logical spacing progression
03:37 grumd: hah
03:37 grumd: nice
03:37 Charles445: so consider that loool
03:38 grumd: i think i'll look into finding a guest for this 5-6 diff map
03:38 grumd: will tell them your vision of the case
03:38 grumd: thanks a lot Charles
Also in response I changed a bunch of the hitsounding in the easy to fit both our styles at other points @grumd whilst trying to not go overboard.TicClick wrote:
[Arphi's Normal]It was like that in my original hitsounding but it was all changed for consistency within the set, hopefully now its a compromise.
- 00:01:235 (2) - were I you, I'd add an extra whistle for guitar at 00:01:985 / 00:03:985 and so on
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hi, well, i'm afraid i'll not add it :cMakyu wrote:
Hey if you still need a 4.9 - 5.7 star ratin diff, I can make one(?
/me runs
grumd wrote:
hi, well, i'm afraid i'll not add it :cMakyu wrote:
Hey if you still need a 4.9 - 5.7 star ratin diff, I can make one(?
/me runs
i'm a bit busy right now, but in a few days i'll try to make it myself. you have only 1 ranked map and i wasn't very impressed with it, so eh, i want to make the mapset quality the best i can :v sorry
Caught me before I was gonna ask heh.Makyu wrote:
Hey if you still need a 4.9 - 5.7 star ratin diff, I can make one(?
/me runs
as you wish, grumd. reserved 2 stars for this!grumd wrote:
I need kudosu stars pls ;_;
Oh lol. I think I forgot to rank this one. Someone please remind me every day. I'm right now working on a new project right here: https://www.reddit.com/r/csgobetting/co ... tatistics/PatZar wrote:
lol gg
yep fixed this important thing ty!Fort wrote:
as you wish, grumd. reserved 2 stars for this!grumd wrote:
I need kudosu stars pls ;_;
and one thing on Expert diff
01:02:485 (3) - this one is offscreen. you should move it to right, or maybe you can put slider like this
kd for additional sp. *runs
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After testing I decided to change the 3/4 sliders to 1/1Kurokami wrote:
Mod requested by grumd. Oh my, I haven't touched osu! a while.
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00:12:235 (1,3) - I don't think ending them on blue tick is a good choice. The next white tick or the previous red is much more stronger and better to play. I suggest you to either make these last until white or end them at red then add a repeat to them. Yes I wanted to follow the particular obvious instrument (idk names) but I tried extending 1/4 and it played nice. I'll experiment with both.
00:20:235 (1,3) - Here too. I know you wanted some different rhythm but ending them on blue sounds weird. ^
00:56:235 (1,2) - The current rhythm is really questionable. How about this instead: http://puu.sh/jCysN/8f003b116d.png? Same at 01:04:235 (1,2,3). I personally think this rhythm is perfectly fitting for an easiest diff given the low BPM and the reverse is on a 1/1, and it doesn't feel bad to tap either. Yours fits but it fits just as much as mine, so no change.
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tried a few reworks, but it all looked like shit. not gonna change this pattern for nowArphimigon wrote:
Uh last minute notice but I'm surprised no one ever mentioned this combo on Extra
01:00:235 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - being wayyyyy harder tapping/stamina wise than the rest of the map, its caused me to fail about 80% of my tests and is honestly should not be that much of a spike. Perhaps turn 01:01:360 (2,3) - into two notes like you had done at 01:09:360 (2) - to make it less stressful so late for no reason.
Thats my only concern about this diff (also kinda finishing off that old mod where I said nothing about Extra)
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Yay for jumps!grumd wrote:
fixed diff names and edited hardest diff a bit so now it's not 6.14 but 6.43.
GET REKT
@grumd just make my diff AR4.5 instead of me posting a whole update .osuKyubey wrote:
[Arphi's Normal]
Isn't AR a little high for a lowest difficulty? Maybe reduce it to 4-4.5?
Personally I think AR4 is too low for this diff, but eh it's not that bad.
Hey, thanks for mod. As talked with Charles445 earlier, spead had a gap between Insane and the hardest diff, but after the addition of Skystar's diff it's perfect.Natsu wrote:
not much to say here, but I'm a bit worry about this diff spread lol
Kyubey wrote:
[Skystar's Extra]
Disable widescreen support? It's useless anyway.
00:04:360 (2,3,4) - actually i was expecting 2→4→3 flow here continuing previous flow, and your placement was really confusing for me. and it was even confusing after some plays when i remembered that placement, my hand just doesn't want to move that way. maybe make that flow in that way i showed to make it more intuitive?
00:05:860 (1,2) - same goes there, ctrl+g on these ones will make the flow more pleasant and intuitive, and it will even work better with next slider
00:26:235 (1,2,1,2,1,2,3) - somehow this pattern goes pretty unfomfortable for me with 00:26:235 (1,1,1) - this stack, but if you unstack it like http://kyubey.s-ul.eu/fmWV6XKS.jpg this, it plays much better
00:38:235 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this thing is confusing too, i don't know what to suggest here but want to say it's pretty hard to read because i don't expect such a slow movement and sudden jumps after it, and overlapping circles make the readability of this pattern even worse
01:01:860 (1,2,3) - such a slow and linear movement kills the momentum imo disagreed, linear patterns represent this kind of sounds pretty well.
http://puu.sh/jKdbN/b3dcee10ae.rarNatsu wrote:
Skystar's Extra:
- 00:21:610 (3) - really weird rhythm o.o, isn't better if you bring a click action to 00:21:735 - since is really strong tbh I got confused with this lel: apparently the wub sounds here, not the drums.
- 00:38:360 - I know why the antijump, but its kinda unexpected, if you really like it, atleast play more with NCs, anyways you did already with the rest of the diff so should be ok
- 00:40:735 (1,2) - this is probably too huge jump, it feels really hard to notice and play lel, so ye reduce the spacing pls slider jumps are easy actually if you know what they're.
- 00:42:235 (1,2) - ^
- 01:03:985 (3,4) - rhythm feel a bit weird to me , maybe add some hitsounds or make it a slider, doesn't feel really comfortable to click those, idk why lol i don't see a problem? there's two hihats that support the stack triplet.
tl;drNatsu wrote:
Normal:These patterns are quite confusing/clustered I guess for a normal player to do consistently for this long, I think the break adds a nice opportunity for those normal players to catch back up from those long hold sliders with 1/1 gaps, we all hated things like that once.
- SV changes aren't cool in thi easy diff of the set, maybe you can consider change the intro to 1,00
I do not think this SV change is obstructing readability/play at all, however I added in a gradual SV increase to make the change less dramatic. Either way I really would like the beginning to have lower SV and spacing than the rest of the map.- 00:06:985 (2) - consider to remove this circle to bring more emphasis to 00:07:235 (3) - also take in mind that this kind of ¨train¨ patterns can be considered as ¨too hard¨ for the EZ diff in th set, nvm I see the rest of the map, anyways I consider that by using 1,20 distance snap the map will looks clean, since you will avoid all the 1/2 overlaps, but maybe too much work to do \o/
I added in the note to be a gradual change and indicator that patterns and trains like these (esp the harer longer ones) will be coming up without trying to break play too much. As for 1.2DS that would be much cleaner but sadly its too fast so I think it would be too hard for easiest diff ;-;- 00:40:235 - about the break, wew is a 1 min song no one need to rest for such short time imo, also rhythm is totally mapeable, you don't have to do long sliders tbh.
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