Any song can be mapped with a full spread of difficulties if you try hard enough.
yesbaraatje123 wrote:
(off topic: can a 5:00+ map with more difficulties get ranked?)
this ^, also 5 mins is already ok for ¨marathon¨, reducing more the time doesn't make sense, since is a marathonLust wrote:
Any song can be mapped with a full spread of difficulties if you try hard enough.
mods are easy to get IMO, pls https://osu.ppy.sh/s/134151Aqo wrote:
the problem isn't spread it's finding people willing to mod lol
instead of trying to reduce times why not re-evaluate whether there's a demand for old style approval with maps like gowww's just awake, charles' dragons, val's mythologia, etc
- the map which length is no shorter than 5 minutes could be qualified as "approved" with single diff
- the map which length is between 2 to 5 minutes, having a reasonable high difficulty, appreciated by 5 BATs and at least 1 QAT, could be qualified as "approved" with single diff
I think 2 is way to low thoughScorpiour wrote:
the marginal effect is exactly that annoying in many cases.
Actually, what i suggest is:
- the map which length is no shorter than 5 minutes could be qualified as "approved" with single diff
- the map which length is between 2 to 5 minutes, having a reasonable high difficulty, appreciated by 5 BATs and at least 1 QAT, could be qualified as "approved" with single diff
or loop a section, both have been done before :^)[CSGA]Ar3sgice wrote:
this is simple, just speed down the song to 5bpm lower and it will go over 5:00
How naive, LachLach wrote:
If a map ends up with ~4:55 drain time, people aren't going to just go NOPE SORRY GET FUCKED NEEDS TO BE 5 MINS OR OVER.
In short: You would perfer changing this as Guideline. Well, I am a friend of Guidelines and this would be a better solution than decreasing the requirement for approval but I wouldn't agree to change this. Five minutes is a fairly long time while four became more common to map tbh.Kodora wrote:
Anyway, i do agree with Scorpiour's point - each song is unique itself, so for questionable cases it would be so much better and mapper-friendly action to allow specified checking by BATs & QATs for exceptional approval- as for now, such situations where we have so many songs where mapping easiest diffs becomes questioned by mappers/or simple slighty lower drain time becomes questionable isn't really looks nice anyways
Can't agree with this. The Difficulty level should be no excuse to have a 2:30 approvable mapset with one Difficulty.Scorpiour wrote:
- the map which length is between 2 to 5 minutes, having a reasonable high difficulty, appreciated by 5 BATs and at least 1 QAT, could be qualified as "approved" with single diff
Kodora, apparently, you are trying to argue with me on every thread, right? EN mapset is not unrankable. It is not stated in any rule, ranking criteria even ALLOWS it. Just if it was not allowed, we should be going to unrank -Bakari-'s beatmap already twice right? Currently I mean craigsmusicchannel - Night Of Rain would not be rankable if Ephemeral's wording was actually a rule.Kodora wrote:
telling people to stop being lazy is stupid when you allow 3 diff 30 second mapsets to be rankedLoliFlan wrote:
Stop being lazy, honestly I don't know how much more it should be lowered until everyone is satisfied with ranking lazy one diff maps.
Say what, oh im done.silmarilen wrote:
telling people to stop being lazy is stupid when you allow 3 diff 30 second mapsets to be rankedLoliFlan wrote:
Stop being lazy, honestly I don't know how much more it should be lowered until everyone is satisfied with ranking lazy one diff maps.
baraatje123 wrote:
But how about songs which are around 4:30, which are nigh impossible to map in easy/normal
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/114988 I have tried hard enough.Lust wrote:
Any song can be mapped with a full spread of difficulties if you try hard enough.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/190284 https://osu.ppy.sh/s/173810 https://osu.ppy.sh/s/186767 ????Kodora wrote:
same as only Easy/Normal spreads are forbidded as they wouldn't satisfy people with advanced-skill level. N/H spreads are minimum required as bare minimum which can satisfy everyone with any skill level.
How many times do I have to repeat it is not unrankable but ALLOWED by ranking criterias, (DO YOU KNOW WHAT ALLOWED MEANS?) there's no such a rule it would be bullshit. And you did not answer my question:Kodora wrote:
@silmarilen: they all are fine as they named N/H, icons here are not important as they aren't works perfectly at judging lowest diffs, so sometimes Hard diff on a calm songs might be technically rated as Normal, while it will plays as Hard.
@Wafu: if Normal diff is aimed to be easiest diff, it should be mapped appropriately so beginners can pass it ("easy-ish normal" in other words) - else such map would never be ranked. E/N spreads are inappropriate as they wouldn't be fine for advanced-skill players as i mentioned before.
Actually, your example is perfectly mappable for a Hard diff - again, i never said that every song requires an Extra diff, but N/H is an appropriate minimum requirement, suitable for absolute most of songs. E/N are unrankable, and I see zero reasons for changing this as every not-for-approval map should have appropriate difficulty spread.
You just said again the same non sense... "they wouldn't be fine for advanced-skill players as i mentioned before", why do you repeat what I already said is invalid?Wafu wrote:
who are you to decide what we can and cannot enjoy?
My apologizes, I shouldn't have gone so far as for that argument neither in ranking criteria forum nor any other forum, I should have kept this fight out of other's sight.TicClick wrote:
Could you please get back to the initial topic, which is: [Rule change] Possible approval for 4:00-5:00?
It's not going to happen, or we'll have people asking for shorter draining time approval criteria even after it's changed to four minutes. Remember when it was 6:00? All I can foresee is many single difficulty maps with forced patterns (as we don't have enough already) and no sign of balance. If the audio you chose to map lasts for less than 5 minutes, edit it, map a full appropriate spread or forget about it.
Well, people keep asking for lowering it only because 5 min limit haven't solved most annoying problems for long not-for-approval maps - problems with getting mods as people usually don't like modding stuff over 3 minutes, problems with mapping easier diffs as it gets annoying for stuff with very long drain time (for example mapping 4:30 min long easy usually ends up as bland 2/1 + 1/1 spam + lots of copypaste sadly) and problem with making "non-stop" diffs without any breaks or something just for the sake of achieving approve-able drain time, which ends usually as very tiring map.TicClick wrote:
It's not going to happen, or we'll have people asking for shorter draining time approval criteria even after it's changed to four minutes. Remember when it was 6:00? All I can foresee is many single difficulty maps with forced patterns (as we don't have enough already) and no sign of balance. If the audio you chose to map lasts for less than 5 minutes, edit it, map a full appropriate spread or forget about it.